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Live2Win *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6657 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-11-21 08:20:28
November 19 2007 17:05 GMT
#1
So here's something I noticed while doing a little poking around FiFo.

We all know that to "walk the royal road" is to win an MSL or OSL on your first try. Recently Mind also walked the royal road in MSL defeating 2 time defending champ Bisu in the finals... but you know what's even more impressive?

He didn't just start from MSL, nor did he start from Survivor. He started from the MSL Off-line qualis! (Albeit, not his first attempt, but still impressive).

I personally think Mind came to TL.net and read DJEtter's secret formula to winning OSL, and used it for his MSL victory.

Mind's Road to Victory:

7/19/2007 MSL Prelims
Group 16
Ro8: InteR.Mind 2 - 1 MenSol[Zero]
Ro4: InteR.Mind 2 - 1 Ever)P(SsuN
Final: InteR.Mind 2 - 0 SharK[gm]

8/2/2007 MSL Survivor Tournament
Game 1: InteR.Mind > Much
Winers: Canata > Inter.Mind
Final: InteR.Mind > TheZerg

9/27/2007 GomTV3 MSL Ro32
Game 2: InteR.Mind > Shine
Winners: Hwasin > Inter.Mind
Final: InteR.Mind > Shine

10/20/2007 GomTV3 MSL Ro16
Game 1: InteR.Mind > Oov
Game 2: Oov > Inter.Mind
Game 3: InteR.Mind > Oov

11/1/2007 GomTV3 MSL Ro8
Game 1: InteR.Mind > TheManiaMST
Game 2: TheManiaMST > Inter.Mind
Game 3: InteR.Mind > TheManiaMST
Game 4: InteR.Mind > TheManiaMST

11/8/2007 GomTV MSL Ro4
Game 1: InteR.Mind > Savior
Game 2: Savior > Inter.Mind
Game 3: Savior > Inter.Mind
Game 4: InteR.Mind > Savior
Game 5: InteR.Mind > Savior

11/17/2007 GomTV MSL Final
Game 1: InteR.Mind > Bisu
Game 2: Bisu > Inter.Mind
Game 3: Inter.Mind > Bisu
Game 4: InteR.Mind > Bisu



Although I generally hated this guy for knocking out Savior, I'm a little impressed.
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himurakenshin
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Canada1845 Posts
November 19 2007 17:10 GMT
#2
I thought there was no "Royal Road" for the MSL, I believe even Bisu said this when he won the first time.
PoP-sicle
Profile Joined May 2007
Canada418 Posts
November 19 2007 17:32 GMT
#3
Gj Mind, he deserved it
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
November 19 2007 17:35 GMT
#4
doesn't saynig royal road in ur thread title along with the words "MSL" imply that Mind won XD

anyway i'm very impressed by 박성균 too ;o
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Profile Blog Joined February 2005
United States3505 Posts
November 19 2007 17:40 GMT
#5
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Nick_54
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2230 Posts
November 19 2007 17:53 GMT
#6
Mind never won game 2 or the winners match and he still won it all.
jhNz
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Germany2762 Posts
November 19 2007 18:13 GMT
#7
it's funny how far he came by playing one single matchup
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FirstBorn
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Romania3955 Posts
November 19 2007 18:18 GMT
#8
To be honest Mind was the last person I thought would take this MSL.

Now that he won it and I see his path I'm kinda happy for him, a lot of work that paid of. Gj mind!
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IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32274 Posts
November 19 2007 18:25 GMT
#9
On November 20 2007 02:40 Jathin wrote:
Spoiler babies!!


hahaha
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Pressure
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
7326 Posts
November 19 2007 18:28 GMT
#10
Mind did really really good getting his way up there, he deserves it
ughhh he knocked out Oov and Bisu in the way though
SonuvBob
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Aiur21549 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-11-19 18:37:00
November 19 2007 18:33 GMT
#11
On November 20 2007 02:53 Nick_54 wrote:
Mind never won game 2 or the winners match and he still won it all.

Haha that's awesome.

Prelims Final: InteR.Mind 2 - 0 SharK[gm]
That may be the only second game he won.

Hm.. FiFo says his prelim Ro4 set was Win,Loss,Win, but it doesn't say for Ro8.
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semioldguy
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States7488 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-11-19 18:39:20
November 19 2007 18:37 GMT
#12
I think I first noticed this when I was looking at the Quarterfinal match between Mind and Memory, both of whom had begun the event down at the offlines (and Kwanro too). It is quite an amazing run/feat.

Savior was also likely the only player that had a lead on Mind at any point in the tournament. Not counting, of course, the double elimimation group stages when mind never had more losses than wins anyway.
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cujo2k
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada1044 Posts
November 19 2007 19:01 GMT
#13
I always thought that Mind/Ruby would win a few starleagues, after being extremely impressed from watching their replays a couple of years ago.. These guys just always had perfect macro/micro with very high 350ish apm and they always crushed their amateur opposition in various single leagues/team leagues.
I really didn't think he stood a chance against Savior or Bisu.. but good for him
What's scary is that Mind played way better vs Bisu than even Hwasin did, I don't think anyone could've predicted that. When Hwasin got advantages against Bisu, he'd often let Bisu creep back in and take the games back but Mind never gave up any tiny edges whatsoever against Bisu.. truly amazing play by Mind
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Mannerheim
Profile Joined April 2007
766 Posts
November 19 2007 19:23 GMT
#14
Taking down (P)Much, (T)Oov, (Z)sAviOr and (P)Bisu in your first MSL is pretty much as good as it gets, but I still can't shake the feeling that he'll slide back to obscurity after this.
red.venom
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4651 Posts
November 19 2007 20:25 GMT
#15
On November 20 2007 04:23 Mannerheim wrote:
Taking down (P)Much, (T)Oov, (Z)sAviOr and (P)Bisu in your first MSL is pretty much as good as it gets, but I still can't shake the feeling that he'll slide back to obscurity after this.


Yeah. Its like the consistency vs someone who just had a lucky/invincible run. I cant say how he will do after this but I could definitely see him just being a middling uninspiring player. He is so damn young though
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Darkmole
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States900 Posts
November 19 2007 23:20 GMT
#16
wow he won everything except game 2 lol
lololol
Profile Joined February 2006
5198 Posts
November 19 2007 23:33 GMT
#17
On November 20 2007 02:35 alffla wrote:
doesn't saynig royal road in ur thread title along with the words "MSL" imply that Mind won XD

anyway i'm very impressed by 박성균 too ;o


I thought the same thing, a spoiler warning, when the spoiler is in the title, lol?
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
November 19 2007 23:38 GMT
#18
On November 20 2007 04:23 Mannerheim wrote:
Taking down (P)Much, (T)Oov, (Z)sAviOr and (P)Bisu in your first MSL is pretty much as good as it gets, but I still can't shake the feeling that he'll slide back to obscurity after this.


I've got the same feeling, for some reason I just can't see him winning another one :/
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Live2Win *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6657 Posts
November 19 2007 23:57 GMT
#19
On November 20 2007 08:33 lololol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2007 02:35 alffla wrote:
doesn't saynig royal road in ur thread title along with the words "MSL" imply that Mind won XD

anyway i'm very impressed by 박성균 too ;o


I thought the same thing, a spoiler warning, when the spoiler is in the title, lol?

wow I suck

well everyone shoudl know the results by now.
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OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
November 20 2007 00:22 GMT
#20
ya I doubt anyone who is reading this thread doesnt know the MSL finals result
We Are Here
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Australia1810 Posts
November 20 2007 00:26 GMT
#21
On November 20 2007 02:10 himurakenshin wrote:
I thought there was no "Royal Road" for the MSL, I believe even Bisu said this when he won the first time.
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Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
November 20 2007 04:08 GMT
#22
Yes royal road is a term only associated with the OSL. Just like the golden mouse etc.
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LosingID8
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
CA10828 Posts
November 20 2007 04:27 GMT
#23
traditionally "royal road" has been reserved for only starleague, but recently korean news sites have been using "royal road" in reference to MSL. i personally think that is inaccurate and it should only be used with regard to starleague, but whatever
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HonestTea *
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
5007 Posts
November 20 2007 04:38 GMT
#24
SHARK YOU COULD HAVE STOPPED THIS FROM THE BEGINNING!
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Live2Win *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6657 Posts
November 20 2007 04:53 GMT
#25
On November 20 2007 13:38 HonestTea wrote:
SHARK YOU COULD HAVE STOPPED THIS FROM THE BEGINNING!

SO COULD HAVE MENSOL, WHO DECIDED TO CHOOSE THE NEXT SEASON TO PASS THE PRELIMS
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fight_or_flight
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States3988 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-11-20 05:20:00
November 20 2007 05:18 GMT
#26
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Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17727 Posts
November 20 2007 05:19 GMT
#27
Im pretty sure there is a royal road for msl. They were talking about it. They meaning the commentators about some jinx. One if bisu is really a bonjwha he would win 3 msls and than win an osl. Since he won two in a row. And a royal road jinx where a person who gets to his first msl and gets to the finals win.
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i.play.ZERG
Profile Joined August 2007
Canada276 Posts
November 20 2007 06:15 GMT
#28
Why doesn't MSL have a Royal Road? Anyone involved in MSL can just say one exists and it does.
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
November 20 2007 06:39 GMT
#29
Because "It's not about prestige or what's worth more or what's more important or harder or whatever. It's simply a definition. It's like how the golden mouse is an OSL only thing. It's just the way people define it, it's a tradition." paraphrased quote from wise man

People could do the same crap with the golden mouse if they wanted to. It's a thing to keep to OSL only. Not to mention

On November 20 2007 02:10 himurakenshin wrote:
I thought there was no "Royal Road" for the MSL, I believe even Bisu said this when he won the first time.

Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
Moletrap
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States1297 Posts
November 20 2007 07:41 GMT
#30
On November 20 2007 13:38 HonestTea wrote:
SHARK YOU COULD HAVE STOPPED THIS FROM THE BEGINNING!


LOL

But yeah, taking out Savior and Bisu in fair fights right in a row. That's hard core.

We're definitely going to see a lot more of him in Proleague, so we'll be able to gauge if he's got any consistency or not..
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Sigrun
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1655 Posts
November 20 2007 08:30 GMT
#31
I was under the impression that Royal Road was only for OSL as well.
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NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
November 20 2007 08:39 GMT
#32
Doesn't Royal Road mean to win both Starleagues in your first try?
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ZerG~LegenD
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Sweden1179 Posts
November 20 2007 08:51 GMT
#33
Wasn't savior stuck in the prelims before he won osl too? Or was it just odt?
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OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
November 20 2007 08:52 GMT
#34
Just ODT, I think. Not 100% though.
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36375 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-11-20 09:01:09
November 20 2007 08:55 GMT
#35
On November 20 2007 17:52 OneOther wrote:
Just ODT, I think. Not 100% though.

No, he was in prelims. He went from prelims all the way to OSL win.

His first ODT group was pretty ridiculous, it was Savior, Jaedong, Sea, and Casy (when Casy was still good TvZ).

Savior's road to his Shinhan3 OSL Win:

ODT
W Jaedong
W Casy

OSL Group
L Midas
W Chojja
W Light

Ro16
W Midas
L Midas
W Midas

Ro8
W Much
W Much

Ro4
L Iris
W Iris
W Iris
L Iris
W Iris

Finals
W Nada
L Nada
W Nada
W Nada
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koryano321
Profile Joined June 2007
United States309 Posts
November 21 2007 03:37 GMT
#36
royal road is first time entry in oSL and taking it all, doesnt apply to msl...
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Rigodon666
Profile Joined November 2006
Canada183 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-11-21 04:07:58
November 21 2007 04:03 GMT
#37
On November 20 2007 17:55 Hot_Bid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2007 17:52 OneOther wrote:
Just ODT, I think. Not 100% though.

No, he was in prelims. He went from prelims all the way to OSL win.

His first ODT group was pretty ridiculous, it was (Z)sAviOr, (Z)Jaedong, (T)Sea, and (T)Casy (when (T)Casy was still good TvZ).

(Z)sAviOr's road to his Shinhan3 OSL Win:

.....
Ro8
W (P)Much
W (P)Much
....


You just made me remember how brutal the wins vs Much were...
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Live2Win *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6657 Posts
November 21 2007 06:35 GMT
#38
On November 20 2007 17:55 Hot_Bid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2007 17:52 OneOther wrote:
Just ODT, I think. Not 100% though.

No, he was in prelims. He went from prelims all the way to OSL win.

His first ODT group was pretty ridiculous, it was Savior, Jaedong, Sea, and Casy (when Casy was still good TvZ).

Savior's road to his Shinhan3 OSL Win:

ODT
W Jaedong
W Casy

OSL Group
L Midas
W Chojja
W Light

Ro16
W Midas
L Midas
W Midas

Ro8
W Much
W Much

Ro4
L Iris
W Iris
W Iris
L Iris
W Iris

Finals
W Nada
L Nada
W Nada
W Nada


actually, no.

He was in the 9 Dragons ODT.

He lost to ClouD and Ra, got eliminated 2-0.

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