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On December 10 2023 07:14 radley wrote:
My opinion on the topic is: west community are mostly weirdos. Half of them do crazy stuff in private life and another half (or maybe all of them) loves to play judge without any qualifications. There are special institutions that should resolve such cases and u should base ur judge on their work, not on some at least shady arguments. On that matter, if I was in same place as Rapid I would probably gone dark regardless I was guilty or not. That's how fucked up modern world and west people are - you can spend saving of ur life on lawyers and maybe even clear ur name officialy, but it still won't fix public opinion much. To be clear, I'm not stating whether Rapid has or hasn't done something illegal. I just say its not starcraft community business, at least not until you are provided with some court sentence.
PS: art_of_turtle, you seriously amongst them? Didn't you describe a very similar problem some time ago with false accusations / blackmailing?
I take responsibility for being against rapid if it means taking away an audience that can be manipulated by him. As for the false accusations it was probably the same incident but with an understanding it could be blackmail, not that it was. The speculation was they were saying it to be a part of the #metoo when the Harvey Weinstein event was playing out, but there was zero pushback from rapid which I would have loved to hear. Instead radio silence and a quiet return.
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On December 10 2023 10:24 ThunderJunk wrote:I distinctly remember feeling like Wolf was the only caster I disliked more that Rapid - at least in the beginning. Over time he became better at casting, but just when he was starting to pick up enough steam to become someone respected in the scene this huge drama broke out. + Show Spoiler +So you've never heard the tragedy of Darth Rapid the horny.
I'm not surprised. It's not a story the simps of starcraft would tell you. It's a Team Liquid legend.
Darth Rapid was a caster of starcraft so sex-oriented and so hung that he could influence a conversation to create opportunities to send dick pics. He had a such knowledge of his genitals, that he could even send pictures of if to many people at the same time.
The dark side of the internet is a gateway to many opportunities some would consider to be unnatural.
He became so prolific, the only thing he was afraid of... was losing his right to send people pictures of his dick. Which eventually of course he did.
Unfortunately, he taught the people he wanted to bang everything about his dick, and they cancelled him in his sleep.
Ironic. He could be honest about his dick, but not himself.
Waaw... I will tell InvisibleMenProductions to make a video out of this... Too good.
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Sounds like maybe ZZZero didn't know (I think he should still make a statement to clarify this) and Rus_Brain just decided he wanted Rapid there. I think we should get clarity on that before hitting BSL or ZZZero.
But we have multiple testimonies of misconduct by Rapid so he clearly did some fucked up shit lol. Believing evidence isn't cancel culture.
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On December 10 2023 11:24 des wrote:
Sounds like maybe ZZZero didn't know (I think he should still make a statement to clarify this) and Rus_Brain just decided he wanted Rapid there. I think we should get clarity on that before hitting BSL or ZZZero.
But we have multiple testimonies of misconduct by Rapid so he clearly did some fucked up shit lol. Believing evidence isn't cancel culture.
I would love to give benefit of the doubt except
https://x.com/BombasticStar/status/1275778691671494656?s=20
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it's obviously embarassing and unacceptable that he is on BSL, assuming, ofc, all of the reported is true, which i believe it is.
i couldn't be more thankful for having these kind of events as i love Brood War, but letting him in was a serious mistake.
in any case, thank you to the organizers of this event, let's instead celebrate the 25 years of Starcraft!
cheers
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On December 10 2023 12:01 art_of_turtle wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 11:24 des wrote:
Sounds like maybe ZZZero didn't know (I think he should still make a statement to clarify this) and Rus_Brain just decided he wanted Rapid there. I think we should get clarity on that before hitting BSL or ZZZero.
But we have multiple testimonies of misconduct by Rapid so he clearly did some fucked up shit lol. Believing evidence isn't cancel culture. I would love to give benefit of the doubt except https://x.com/BombasticStar/status/1275778691671494656?s=20
Sorry, I meant didn't know Rapid was going to cast. I'm not sure who made that decision and if ZZZero had final signoff or anything like that. Definitely if he was fully aware of everything that's not good though.
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I only know of Rapid as the former substitute ASL caster but idk enough about the facts to really weigh in
but regardless I think it's clear that it was/is extremely naive for the organizers to think you could have Rapid reappear and cast without it being a huge distraction. If the overarching goal was for this to be a great celebration of Starcraft, not sure Rapid's participation is worth this distraction.
For the sake of argument, even if the organizers did genuinely believe Rapid deserved to return, wouldn't now be literally the worst possible timing for it, why not choose a more low-key event?
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On December 10 2023 08:47 castleeMg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 07:14 radley wrote:
My opinion on the topic is: west community are mostly weirdos. Half of them do crazy stuff in private life and another half (or maybe all of them) loves to play judge without any qualifications. There are special institutions that should resolve such cases and u should base ur judge on their work, not on some at least shady arguments. On that matter, if I was in same place as Rapid I would probably gone dark regardless I was guilty or not. That's how fucked up modern world and west people are - you can spend saving of ur life on lawyers and maybe even clear ur name officialy, but it still won't fix public opinion much. To be clear, I'm not stating whether Rapid has or hasn't done something illegal. I just say its not starcraft community business, at least not until you are provided with some court sentence.
PS: art_of_turtle, you seriously amongst them? Didn't you describe a very similar problem some time ago with false accusations / blackmailing? I understand the “innocent until proven absolutely guilty” mentality but it’s pretty clear by the numerous accusations from multiple people and the fact that he went completely dark after that he’s guilty of at least something perverse and nefarious.
Also, I don’t know how you can come to an ignorant and extreme conclusion that all people in the western community are “weirdos” for one man’s behaviour and action. That kind of statement is clearly prejudice and uncalled for.
+1
In the past I had respect for Radley as someone who speaks up and has well thought out discussions. RIP to that. Sweeping generalizations FTW.I guess.
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On December 10 2023 14:12 fearthequeen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 08:47 castleeMg wrote:On December 10 2023 07:14 radley wrote:
My opinion on the topic is: west community are mostly weirdos. Half of them do crazy stuff in private life and another half (or maybe all of them) loves to play judge without any qualifications. There are special institutions that should resolve such cases and u should base ur judge on their work, not on some at least shady arguments. On that matter, if I was in same place as Rapid I would probably gone dark regardless I was guilty or not. That's how fucked up modern world and west people are - you can spend saving of ur life on lawyers and maybe even clear ur name officialy, but it still won't fix public opinion much. To be clear, I'm not stating whether Rapid has or hasn't done something illegal. I just say its not starcraft community business, at least not until you are provided with some court sentence.
PS: art_of_turtle, you seriously amongst them? Didn't you describe a very similar problem some time ago with false accusations / blackmailing? I understand the “innocent until proven absolutely guilty” mentality but it’s pretty clear by the numerous accusations from multiple people and the fact that he went completely dark after that he’s guilty of at least something perverse and nefarious.
Also, I don’t know how you can come to an ignorant and extreme conclusion that all people in the western community are “weirdos” for one man’s behaviour and action. That kind of statement is clearly prejudice and uncalled for. +1 In the past I had respect for Radley as someone who speaks up and has well thought out discussions. RIP to that. Sweeping generalizations FTW.I guess.
Not to say Radley doesn't have merit to his thoughts on this situation in the right context. Which that context would be that this is the first time this has occured. I respect that Radley wants to give rapid another opportunity but I just don't see any way of moving forward without an acknowledgement of his past.
Also take into account that this was 3 years ago so it's not just common knowledge which is why this thread is important in setting the context.
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i really don't get this.
like legitimately *before* any of this came out 3 years ago i used to turn off the videos of this guy commentating. he gets basic factual stuff about the game wrong. he misses stuff that's on the screen in front of him, let alone the minimap. he is constantly comparing everything to starcraft 2 which is simply a different game. he doesn't understand basic strategy. he's not aware of builds that have been commonplace for 20+ years. he interrupts other commentators. he's not funny. he's not exciting. he's not interesting. he used to audibly be really fucking weird toward cadenzie when they co-commentated some tournaments (to be clear i dont know how she felt about it just saying how it sounded to me). i used to hear him and think "he must be a really good guy or something for them to keep bringing him back". and then all this shit came out. and i just really don't fucking get it.
i don't think his skill as a commentator really SHOULD matter, like, even if he was a good commentator, this wouldn't be excusable.
but this is just downright fucking confusing. like what's the upsides of having this guy on commentary? like even if you legitimately believe that 3 separate scenes worth of accusations are fake (they're not), why put him back on commentary?
do you really think he's a good commentator? what does he add? there are other better commentators *at the event right now*.
WHAT/WHO IS THIS FOR?
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On December 10 2023 14:25 art_of_turtle wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 14:12 fearthequeen wrote:On December 10 2023 08:47 castleeMg wrote:On December 10 2023 07:14 radley wrote:
My opinion on the topic is: west community are mostly weirdos. Half of them do crazy stuff in private life and another half (or maybe all of them) loves to play judge without any qualifications. There are special institutions that should resolve such cases and u should base ur judge on their work, not on some at least shady arguments. On that matter, if I was in same place as Rapid I would probably gone dark regardless I was guilty or not. That's how fucked up modern world and west people are - you can spend saving of ur life on lawyers and maybe even clear ur name officialy, but it still won't fix public opinion much. To be clear, I'm not stating whether Rapid has or hasn't done something illegal. I just say its not starcraft community business, at least not until you are provided with some court sentence.
PS: art_of_turtle, you seriously amongst them? Didn't you describe a very similar problem some time ago with false accusations / blackmailing? I understand the “innocent until proven absolutely guilty” mentality but it’s pretty clear by the numerous accusations from multiple people and the fact that he went completely dark after that he’s guilty of at least something perverse and nefarious.
Also, I don’t know how you can come to an ignorant and extreme conclusion that all people in the western community are “weirdos” for one man’s behaviour and action. That kind of statement is clearly prejudice and uncalled for. +1 In the past I had respect for Radley as someone who speaks up and has well thought out discussions. RIP to that. Sweeping generalizations FTW.I guess. Not to say Radley doesn't have merit to his thoughts on this situation in the right context. Which that context would be that this is the first time this has occured. I respect that Radley wants to give rapid another opportunity but I just don't see any way of moving forward without an acknowledgement of his past. Also take into account that this was 3 years ago so it's not just common knowledge which is why this thread is important in setting the context.
I was simply echoing the part in bold, I don't really have anything to add to the main conversation.
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Northern Ireland26776 Posts
On December 10 2023 09:50 Counc1l wrote:
When I was watching the stream, I was very shocked to hear Rapid casting. I think it was a mistake to include him for multiple reasons:
1) As other people mentioned, the sexual harrassment allegations were never resolved. He never issued an apology or provided any explanation for his behaviour. I know Brood War is a bit of a men's club of a game, but allowing people with numerous sexual harrassment allegations to participate makes the community less safe for women.
2) It's not "cancelling" Rapid to not allow him to participate as a caster. There is no reason I can think of for BSL to damage its own reputation and credibility just to give Rapid a spot as a caster.
3) Setting aside points 1 & 2, which are already damning, his casting and game knowledge is just not up to par.
I mean correct on all points. It’s not like the scene is lacking decent casters who don’t have such baggage. Starcast alone have multiple blokes who have genuine chops plus play at a relatively high level to boot, without any of that baggage.
There’s been plenty of casting talent who’ve busted their balls across both StarCrafts and never got past the ceiling of more established casters taking the vast majority of good gigs. So do you really need to go to someone who hasn’t been active for 3 years and was never really a BW specialist? Even ignoring the reasons for the absence.
Casting is a skill certainly, having done locals for years in a proudly unprofessional scene, so I know you can’t just throw anyone in there but hell there’s probably a fair few TL vets who could do a job if there weren’t sufficient specialist casters
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I don't know most of the specifics, only the things that surfaced back when these things surfaced. I generally think people should be given second chances, but it also doesn't sit right with me that a guy who's done these terrible things just appears out of nowhere again and expects everyone to have forgotten what he did without any further apology
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Well, now we will see if the top dogs in this community have some balls, specially since some of them are kind of friends with him. Probably also the reason why he showed up at this certain event out of all.
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On December 11 2023 05:30 Leonix wrote:
Well, now we will see if the top dogs in this community have some balls, specially since some of them are kind of friends with him. Probably also the reason why he showed up at this certain event out of all.
He wasn't casting on Day 2. Will keep an ear out...
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United Kingdom12039 Posts
On December 11 2023 04:36 Akio wrote:
I don't know most of the specifics, only the things that surfaced back when these things surfaced. I generally think people should be given second chances, but it also doesn't sit right with me that a guy who's done these terrible things just appears out of nowhere again and expects everyone to have forgotten what he did without any further apology
He had his second chance, he was banned from the League community and came here. We were his second chance. He used his place here to just do the same shit again which is why a lot of people here are as angry as they are.
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On December 11 2023 05:52 LUCKY_NOOB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 05:30 Leonix wrote:
Well, now we will see if the top dogs in this community have some balls, specially since some of them are kind of friends with him. Probably also the reason why he showed up at this certain event out of all. He wasn't casting on Day 2. Will keep an ear out...
He wasn't and yet no announcement so wtf is going on~
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+ Show Spoiler +On December 11 2023 06:29 WGT-Baal wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 05:52 LUCKY_NOOB wrote:On December 11 2023 05:30 Leonix wrote:
Well, now we will see if the top dogs in this community have some balls, specially since some of them are kind of friends with him. Probably also the reason why he showed up at this certain event out of all. He wasn't casting on Day 2. Will keep an ear out... He wasn't and yet no announcement so wtf is going on~
Beats me... Back from and to the shadows? ^_._^
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the dude asked underage girls for nude pictures... he's a fucking creep!
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