I looked around google for ANY updates on what happened to him.
The situation, as I last know it, was some allegations were made (links below) and then instead of addressing them he disappeared from all big BW discords and the internet.
Now he's back? Did I miss an explanation? Is this THE BEST we can do as a community?
I genuinely believe we should always hear all sides of a story.
I did not find any new statements on the topic.
Has he been rejuvenated? (those who watched the stream will get this one)
If no wrong was done man up and say it.
If wrong was done man up admit, apologize and move on.
I find this very strange and not handled well at all.
Is there no one else with limited knowledge and less controversy of the game willing to cast?
Is he getting paid for this?
Are we going to finally see the 26 cm long dong? (solicited) and yes I'm a little jealous
On December 09 2023 21:47 Comedy wrote: Mate this event is about celebrating 25 years of starcraft.. the fact you think this is a big deal is just weird.
The guy told some chicks he has a huge dick and he hasn't done any work in like 3 years. Time to move on
Hey, I didn't tell him to leave BW discords or BSL in the first place... So which is it?
If it's not a big deal own it up. We all get horny and silly sometimes.
If on the other hand it is a big deal then I would just like a simple statement.
I wasn't going to get involved with this, but given the fact someone is trying to defend him in here I feel I need to say something. Rapid at one point was a person I thought of as a close friend, it turned out however he was a sexual predator who had betrayed mine and everyone elses trust. He was expelled from the League community for his behaviour which goes way further than what Comedy is trying to portray above.
He continued to do the same horrific behaviour in our community and when everything came out and he disappeared into a hole I was relieved as it meant he was finally unable to harm anyone else using his small amounts of clout he'd gained from worming his way into our community.
I cannot support a tournament that is supporting a known sexual predator. I genuinely feel disgusted to learn he's casting this and while I wish all the players luck I'm incredibly dissapointed with whoever was involved in giving him a platform again.
Obviously what he did was wrong but is there no mercy in this community? Its been a bit, give the guy a chance. If a small community condemns everyone who has done something in their life, that community will cease to exist very soon. Its obvious he regrets the fuckup he did, but so do we all, we've all done things that are wrong, everyone of us is a human. Show him some mercy. On the other hand I think he should publicly apologize but in the end, I don't care that much. Just be happy that we have a tournament and casters!
So he talked some shit about his dick to a girl and thats it ye?
Why would I care? I listen to him cast and thats it, unless he rapes and/or murders ppl off stream, I really couldn't care less. Modern cancel culture is wild. I really don't care about rapid as a person and I don't see why I should just because I listen to him talk about brood war.
On December 09 2023 23:56 Lorch wrote: So he talked some shit about his dick to a girl and thats it ye?
Why would I care? I listen to him cast and thats it, unless he rapes and/or murders ppl off stream, I really couldn't care less. Modern cancel culture is wild. I really don't care about rapid as a person and I don't see why I should just because I listen to him talk about brood war.
He was emotionally manipulating people into having sex with him, he was sending unwanted pictures of his dick to many different women, including people who were underage. He's never once attempted to apologise as far as I'm aware and publically as soon as the allegations appeared he disappeared, not even attempting to defend himself which in all honesty just paints his guilt. He knew he had no leg to stand on, as this is exactly what happened to him in the league community and why he suddenly disappeared from there as well.
On December 09 2023 23:56 Lorch wrote: So he talked some shit about his dick to a girl and thats it ye?
Why would I care? I listen to him cast and thats it, unless he rapes and/or murders ppl off stream, I really couldn't care less. Modern cancel culture is wild. I really don't care about rapid as a person and I don't see why I should just because I listen to him talk about brood war.
He was emotionally manipulating people into having sex with him, he was sending unwanted pictures of his dick to many different women, including people who were underage. He's never once attempted to apologise as far as I'm aware and publically as soon as the allegations appeared he disappeared, not even attempting to defend himself which in all honesty just paints his guilt. He knew he had no leg to stand on, as this is exactly what happened to him in the league community and why he suddenly disappeared from there as well.
so everyone who's done something wrong in their life should be judged and condemned for the rest of their existence?
On December 09 2023 23:56 Lorch wrote: So he talked some shit about his dick to a girl and thats it ye?
Why would I care? I listen to him cast and thats it, unless he rapes and/or murders ppl off stream, I really couldn't care less. Modern cancel culture is wild. I really don't care about rapid as a person and I don't see why I should just because I listen to him talk about brood war.
He was emotionally manipulating people into having sex with him, he was sending unwanted pictures of his dick to many different women, including people who were underage. He's never once attempted to apologise as far as I'm aware and publically as soon as the allegations appeared he disappeared, not even attempting to defend himself which in all honesty just paints his guilt. He knew he had no leg to stand on, as this is exactly what happened to him in the league community and why he suddenly disappeared from there as well.
so everyone who's done something in their life should be judged and condemned for the rest of their existence?
I hate to use religious terms as you know as well as I am that I'm not religious in any way, but isn't that literally what hell is for in Christianity? People can repent for their sins, but it doesn't mean they should or will be forgiven. He's not even attempted to repent for anything, he's just hid himself in a hole for 3 years hoping it'd all blow over and he could come back like he has here. He sent pictures of his dick to people who are considered minors, that's more than enough to get you on the sex offenders register in most countries.
If he wants to he could go work somewhere else, why is he choosing to come back here.
On December 09 2023 23:56 Lorch wrote: So he talked some shit about his dick to a girl and thats it ye?
Why would I care? I listen to him cast and thats it, unless he rapes and/or murders ppl off stream, I really couldn't care less. Modern cancel culture is wild. I really don't care about rapid as a person and I don't see why I should just because I listen to him talk about brood war.
He was emotionally manipulating people into having sex with him, he was sending unwanted pictures of his dick to many different women, including people who were underage. He's never once attempted to apologise as far as I'm aware and publically as soon as the allegations appeared he disappeared, not even attempting to defend himself which in all honesty just paints his guilt. He knew he had no leg to stand on, as this is exactly what happened to him in the league community and why he suddenly disappeared from there as well.
so everyone who's done something in their life should be judged and condemned for the rest of their existence?
I hate to use religious terms as you know as well as I am that I'm not religious in any way, but isn't that literally what hell is for in Christianity? People can repent for their sins, but it doesn't mean they should or will be forgiven. He's not even attempted to repent for anything, he's just hid himself in a hole for 3 years hoping it'd all blow over and he could come back like he has here. He sent pictures of his dick to people who are considered minors, that's more than enough to get you on the sex offenders register in most countries.
If he wants to he could go work somewhere else, why is he choosing to come back here.
How are these religious terms? Judges judge in court every day. People judge and condemn others based on their actions every day. Obviously he regrets what he has done, if he didn't he wouldn't have dug himself in a hole for 3 years. And as I said earlier I think its very scummy to not do a public apology but in no way shape or form should that lock him out of a 2nd chance.
On December 09 2023 23:55 Ikirouta wrote: Obviously what he did was wrong but is there no mercy in this community? Its been a bit, give the guy a chance. If a small community condemns everyone who has done something in their life, that community will cease to exist very soon. Its obvious he regrets the fuckup he did, but so do we all, we've all done things that are wrong, everyone of us is a human. Show him some mercy. On the other hand I think he should publicly apologize but in the end, I don't care that much. Just be happy that we have a tournament and casters!
I think an apology would have been nice and mature thing to do. Still waiting 3 years in...
I'm not convinced there's literally not a single other person who can point out what's happening on the screen (maybe not with as much hype but certainly with more game knowledge).
I've watched Korean tournaments without English commentary and it was just fine. I watch replays without English commentary also fine.
I think we can do better and we should do better as a community and he can do better personally too.
I have seen a man who, having received funds, failed in job of financial management, yet paradoxically, now champion the cause of accountability for others. Remarkably, he sit comfortably in his chair, his presence known only online.
When given the chance to support a good cause, another individual I've encountered would rather have collected a lottery windfall for himself than contribute to a worthy charity. He resides in his virtual domain much like the first one.
A different character caught my attention, is trying very hard to keep his anger ringfenced until such an anger becomes publicly acceptable, at least in this one topic of discussion. So too he does stay sitting, limiting his activities to the virtual world.
I have noticed another one who managed to curse his patron following return to the online domain, after receiving a substantial sum of money to fund his lifelong ambition, and after having an opportunity to resolve his issues face-to-face in person.
Yet, there is more to this tale. I've encountered a person who committed an action so dumbfuck that one might deem it the epitome of folly. Lord have mercy on him; he refrained from blatantly criminal actions. But he did expend both his time and resources to attend this once per quarter century offline gathering. Interestingly, not a single soul objected to this person's appearance or questioned the event's organizers in real life.
The dramatic shift in last one's professional trajectory, however, is arguably the most surprising turn of events. A person who, looking at the big picture, went from making money to making amusement for a tiny collective. He also committed his own time and money to attend an offline meeting. But instead of praise, he was attacked and threatened with having support revoked. These actions stemmed from his unintentional handing off of some tasks during the group stages so that he may take part in the tournament as a participant. Note, that he remained steadfast in his commitment to deliver online content to the audience, even though the notion of an online broadcast had never been part of other organizers' initial plan.
Perhaps I'm just a traditionalist who struggles to zoom out and differentiate between all these situations mentioned above, contemplating the intricacies of human behavior, valuing in-person interactions as significant and downplaying the importance of virtual ones. Naturally, I just can't grasp an obvious thing, that the event organizers "should have" worked extra shifts for a few months to save up enough money to hire a web commentator that the bestowed online elite would have enjoyed listening to.
On December 09 2023 23:56 Lorch wrote: So he talked some shit about his dick to a girl and thats it ye?
Why would I care? I listen to him cast and thats it, unless he rapes and/or murders ppl off stream, I really couldn't care less. Modern cancel culture is wild. I really don't care about rapid as a person and I don't see why I should just because I listen to him talk about brood war.
Can you really call asking questions about it "cancel culture"? What's wild? No hashtags here...
We would not even need to have this discussion if the issue was properly resolved back in the day or prior this tournament.
BSL as an entity has the right to hire anyone they want. Just not a good look as far as I'm concerned.
ok someone DM'd me and revealed to me that he did a similar thing in league community before BW/SC2, this I didn't know. I take back all I said, he had his 2nd chance and did the same thing, fuck him.
On December 10 2023 00:52 Rus_Brain wrote: Some shining sword in the rotten armour routine here + Show Spoiler +
BW STPL, Season 5 and 6
Brain I paid out the money for STPL Season 5 and as I explained to you in the past I completely forgot that our agreement at the time was for me to host a Season 6 as well - which I seem to remember you saying was ok as per our usual agreement the esports.fund only added the money to Matcherino for the season as it was happening. After Season 5 happened I mentally went through a lot and I made the decision to stop hosting tournaments for a while and that's where my current position is. That is and has nothing to do with this topic and if you're claiming that me forgetting to host a single season is the same as someone being abusive and committing sexual assault then I have no idea what to say to you.
In terms of me casting with Rapid prior to that I had absolutely no idea he was this kind of person until all the allegations come out, I didn't even know he was a league caster before. He was and is a pathalogical liar as explained in this twitlonger from a girl he was in an emotionally abusive relationship with for 5 years. http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sr9qgu A choice quote of this would be:
" Every time i’ve ever asked, he says that age is a number and that it doesn’t matter or that he feels like he’s in the middle with most of his friends being either 5 years younger or 5 years older. "
We wanted rapid to own up to his past, take responsibility for his actions, and make a promise to do better. He instead decided to ignore the allegations and disappear for 3 years until without any prior engagements was let into one of the biggest lan events for Brood War. I wouldn't want this man anywhere near this scene if he is just going to do the exact same thing again. I don't care how good his casting is if he's just going to continue to pull the same sexual predator behavior without consequences.
Zzzero I will not in good conscience recommend any players to participate in anymore BSL events, nor recommend donating until Rapid is fully removed from BSL.
On December 10 2023 01:45 Comedy wrote: dudes come on..the guy didnt even pull it out, just talked about how big it is and how that is uncomfortable
So you are saying he's no Louis C.K. ^_._^
It's been suggested that you are Rapid on another acc btw...
Well I can guarantee you that isn't true. I'm half trolling in the thread anyway. I do agree he should've made a statement, but I do feel like people are very quick to keep him cancelled as well, as far as I know he didnt lay his hands on anybody. He still offended them with his words and he's definitely a creep/pervert, but I think he should be allowed back. Maybe he can come out and make a statement that he learned from his mistakes.
On December 10 2023 01:39 art_of_turtle wrote: We wanted rapid to own up to his past, take responsibility for his actions, and make a promise to do better. He instead decided to ignore the allegations and disappear for 3 years until without any prior engagements was let into one of the biggest lan events for Brood War. I wouldn't want this man anywhere near this scene if he is just going to do the exact same thing again. I don't care how good his casting is if he's just going to continue to pull the same sexual predator behavior without consequences.
Zzzero I will not in good conscience recommend any players to participate in anymore BSL events, nor recommend donating until Rapid is fully removed from BSL.
Pretty much exactly this, nobody is trying "CANCEL" Rapid. People are trying to hold him accountable for his actions. I personally think it's abhorrent to have someone like Rapid to cast your event. Guy was grooming underage girls, and people still want to defend him.
On December 10 2023 01:39 art_of_turtle wrote: We wanted rapid to own up to his past, take responsibility for his actions, and make a promise to do better. He instead decided to ignore the allegations and disappear for 3 years until without any prior engagements was let into one of the biggest lan events for Brood War. I wouldn't want this man anywhere near this scene if he is just going to do the exact same thing again. I don't care how good his casting is if he's just going to continue to pull the same sexual predator behavior without consequences.
Zzzero I will not in good conscience recommend any players to participate in anymore BSL events, nor recommend donating until Rapid is fully removed from BSL.
Pretty much exactly this, nobody is trying "CANCEL" Rapid. People are trying to hold him accountable for his actions. I personally think it's abhorrent to have someone like Rapid to cast your event. Guy was grooming underage girls, and people still want to defend him.
On December 10 2023 01:39 art_of_turtle wrote: We wanted rapid to own up to his past, take responsibility for his actions, and make a promise to do better. He instead decided to ignore the allegations and disappear for 3 years until without any prior engagements was let into one of the biggest lan events for Brood War. I wouldn't want this man anywhere near this scene if he is just going to do the exact same thing again. I don't care how good his casting is if he's just going to continue to pull the same sexual predator behavior without consequences.
Zzzero I will not in good conscience recommend any players to participate in anymore BSL events, nor recommend donating until Rapid is fully removed from BSL.
Pretty much exactly this, nobody is trying "CANCEL" Rapid. People are trying to hold him accountable for his actions. I personally think it's abhorrent to have someone like Rapid to cast your event. Guy was grooming underage girls, and people still want to defend him.
Yikes man big yikes.
This is pretty much what I think as well. Let’s say for arguments sake he never technically broke the law with his actions. Still, why would you want to be associated with someone whose ethics and morals are so deranged? Imagine if this rapid stuff went unchecked or ignored, what would have happened?
It s a disgrace that he is allowed to be back in the scene in anyway, let alone the biggest tournament of the year.
Rus_brain this is not an attack on you or the support you give to the scene. It s entirely understandable you didn't know about all rapid s issues. And now he s there so you have to live with it this once. However this needs to be a one off, you and ZZZero need to be clear about it. Once again it s ok you didn't know, I didn't know the full extent either. But rapid cannot be allowed back into the scene after this. You should make that statement, it will not look poorly on you.
We already have a small community we cannot in good conscience have those types of people be given a platform like this
How is this even happening? He was possibly the worst caster we've ever had. I wasn't even sure he played the game at all the last time he casted. The most charitable way to explain it was like someone who played SC2 had some how accidently found himself casting the wrong game and didn't know who to tell (and made no effort to leave or actually play the game).
Then it came out he wasn't just a shitty caster, but a horrible human, sending dick pics to underage girls and leveraging his underserved position for all sorts of similar things. AND NOW HE IS BACK!?
I stopped watching his casting entirely last time before all his personal behavior came to light, and I'm going to do it again.
On December 10 2023 03:08 WGT-Baal wrote: We already have a small community
this
You know full well what I mean by that. Ban him from future events unless he can clear his name, it s that simple. Not doing so puts a stain on all the good things you did before, don't tarnish your legacy for the guy.
Same for you ZZZero. This isn't some minor incident.
Edit: ad hominem on qikz is pathetic, not only does it look like you re not 100% right there but even if qikz had massive issues 2 wrongs do not make a right. You should be better than this. Are you gonna do that on every one here? Good luck with that
Very disappointing at a first glance, after Rapid's history in League, SC2, and BW. Wonder how many knew of this in advance. It certainly wasn't being advertised that he'd be one of the main casters.
Also noticing that the "defense" going on here by Rus_Brain (idk if we should consider him the actual organiser of the event, considering the funding/location/posts in this thread?) are mostly just wannabe-edgy "no you" replies, instead of actually owning up and defending the choice to bring back Rapid.
Especially interesting considering ZZZero's statement to exclude him until his name would be cleared. As has been pointed out, any such clearup has atleast not been something which the community has seen in public.
I think the main issue for me is that we haven't seen any resolution to the allegations that were brought up. I have my own thoughts of course on the validity of the claims, but why is it that we have people here that couldn't even give a shit one way or the other? A lot of the things brought up at the time were pretty serious. Regardless of outcome, they need to be addressed don't they?
There have been allegations against him from MULTIPLE people across MULTIPLE esport scenes. People apart of our small brood war community have been allegedly victimized, and what happened? He just vanished, never addressed anything, and has since not made any statements to defend himself, or apologize for his actions.
Maybe I'm crazy, but I don't feel like its remotely appropriate having him take part in the flagship foreigner tournament without at least some sort of resolution one way or another. The de facto endorsement of whatever transpired between rapid and his accusers here feels pretty gross, and I'm really interested to get Zzzero's perspective on this. I hold Zzzero in the highest regard, and I hope that he can see why this is so concerning to some of us.
My opinion on the topic is: west community are mostly weirdos. Half of them do crazy stuff in private life and another half (or maybe all of them) loves to play judge without any qualifications. There are special institutions that should resolve such cases and u should base ur judge on their work, not on some at least shady arguments. On that matter, if I was in same place as Rapid I would probably gone dark regardless I was guilty or not. That's how fucked up modern world and west people are - you can spend saving of ur life on lawyers and maybe even clear ur name officialy, but it still won't fix public opinion much. To be clear, I'm not stating whether Rapid has or hasn't done something illegal. I just say its not starcraft community business, at least not until you are provided with some court sentence.
PS: art_of_turtle, you seriously amongst them? Didn't you describe a very similar problem some time ago with false accusations / blackmailing?
On December 10 2023 07:14 radley wrote: My opinion on the topic is: west community are mostly weirdos. Half of them do crazy stuff in private life and another half (or maybe all of them) loves to play judge without any qualifications. There are special institutions that should resolve such cases and u should base ur judge on their work, not on some at least shady arguments. On that matter, if I was in same place as Rapid I would probably gone dark regardless I was guilty or not. That's how fucked up modern world and west people are - you can spend saving of ur life on lawyers and maybe even clear ur name officialy, but it still won't fix public opinion much. To be clear, I'm not stating whether Rapid has or hasn't done something illegal. I just say its not starcraft community business, at least not until you are provided with some court sentence.
PS: art_of_turtle, you seriously amongst them? Didn't you describe a very similar problem some time ago with false accusations / blackmailing?
BSL made that statement themselves 3 yrs ago only to come back on it with 0 reason given. I think that's really the main issue. You can't just ignore that history. I agree with you there are a lot of weirdos in gaming and the court of public opinion is not the way to go, but this is not the root of the problem here, surely you understand how it is different If rapid came back apologised/or provided some defe se and restarted to build trust and then was put in bsl then fine. But that s not the case. If bsl has new elements clearing his name then release them and i ll retract my statement
On December 10 2023 07:14 radley wrote: To be clear, I'm not stating whether Rapid has or hasn't done something illegal. I just say its not starcraft community business, at least not until you are provided with some court sentence.
While I don't agree with you for the most part, I can see where you're coming from. While I don't think its great to just excise someone on the basis of some random allegation, there is a pattern of allegations here that certainly show a need for concern at the very least no? I also don't think you need to do something actually illegal to be so in the wrong that your actions warrant consequences. I feel that given the body of albeit anecdotal evidence, some things that were at the very least wildly inappropriate happened. I don't think the starcraft community should need a court to make some sort of legal ruling to justify social consequences for bad acting.
With regards to the trial of public opinion and lack of concrete evidence, I understand wanting to err on the side of innocence until proven guilty. It certainly it could be the case that every single one of the unrelated women who have talked about his bad acting openly could be making it all up for clout or some other kind of benefit to them personally. I think the idea that this is what is happening here is pretty dubious, since rapid doesn't seem to be extravagantly wealthy or famous, but it is possible I suppose. Regardless, I feel at a minimum SOME sort of acknowledgement of and response to of the allegations is needed before we see Rapid make a comeback with the foreigner scene.
On December 10 2023 07:14 radley wrote: To be clear, I'm not stating whether Rapid has or hasn't done something illegal. I just say its not starcraft community business, at least not until you are provided with some court sentence.
While I don't agree with you for the most part, I can see where you're coming from. While I don't think its great to just excise someone on the basis of some random allegation, there is a pattern of allegations here that certainly show a need for concern at the very least no? I also don't think you need to do something actually illegal to be so in the wrong that your actions warrant consequences. I feel that given the body of albeit anecdotal evidence, some things that were at the very least wildly inappropriate happened. I don't think the starcraft community should need a court to make some sort of legal ruling to justify social consequences for bad acting.
With regards to the trial of public opinion and lack of concrete evidence, I understand wanting to err on the side of innocence until proven guilty. It certainly it could be the case that every single one of the unrelated women who have talked about his bad acting openly could be making it all up for clout or some other kind of benefit to them personally. I think the idea that this is what is happening here is pretty dubious, since rapid doesn't seem to be extravagantly wealthy or famous, but it is possible I suppose. Regardless, I feel at a minimum SOME sort of acknowledgement of and response to of the allegations is needed before we see Rapid make a comeback with the foreigner scene.
Zzzero passed judgement 3 years ago. So i understand what radley s trying to say just like you. But that ship sailed with that old bsl statement. This is the main issue here. Either something new came to light for bsl to lift their ban, in which case they should say it, or worse nothing happened and bsl just ignored it and hoped noone would notice, so which is it?
On December 10 2023 07:14 radley wrote: My opinion on the topic is: west community are mostly weirdos. Half of them do crazy stuff in private life and another half (or maybe all of them) loves to play judge without any qualifications. There are special institutions that should resolve such cases and u should base ur judge on their work, not on some at least shady arguments. On that matter, if I was in same place as Rapid I would probably gone dark regardless I was guilty or not. That's how fucked up modern world and west people are - you can spend saving of ur life on lawyers and maybe even clear ur name officialy, but it still won't fix public opinion much. To be clear, I'm not stating whether Rapid has or hasn't done something illegal. I just say its not starcraft community business, at least not until you are provided with some court sentence.
PS: art_of_turtle, you seriously amongst them? Didn't you describe a very similar problem some time ago with false accusations / blackmailing?
Playing Zerg or Protoss is NOT weird. Just because there are people everywhere (not just the west, cuz that would be hilarious if it's your opinion...) may do weird, unacceptable, illegal or whatever stuff doesn't mean we should try to race for the bottom.
You DO know people get wrongly convicted and there are plenty of criminals out.
Just because you can, does not mean that you should.
Just because he hasn't done anything horrible (as far as we know of), doesn't mean that bringing him back is the hill to die on either.
The notion that "you can never clear your name" is ridiculous because yourself and others are defending him RIGHT NOW even as he has not bothered to say 1 word to the public for 3 years...
I think the BSL name should have more integrity than what apparently is... For whatever incomprehensible reason.
BW does not collapse without Flash playing in ASL... I don't think Rapid not casting would be the biggest loss. Things were going good for the past few years without him.
Also post w/e you are saying about art_of_turtle with a link... I'm curious. I know one thing. He didn't go hide under a rock for 3 years and then come back to cast the biggest foreign tournament outside of China without addressing whatever it is... ^_._^
On December 09 2023 23:55 Ikirouta wrote: Obviously what he did was wrong but is there no mercy in this community? Its been a bit, give the guy a chance. If a small community condemns everyone who has done something in their life, that community will cease to exist very soon. Its obvious he regrets the fuckup he did, but so do we all, we've all done things that are wrong, everyone of us is a human. Show him some mercy. On the other hand I think he should publicly apologize but in the end, I don't care that much. Just be happy that we have a tournament and casters!
It’s not about mercy, it’s about standards. Nobody is crucifying him, they’re just saying we shouldn’t invite him in to our things.
Mercy isn’t involved because punishment isn’t involved. Not hanging out with someone isn’t a punishment.
Let’s put it another way. Why should he cast it? Not for his game knowledge or for his active participation in our community, both of which are non existent.
On December 10 2023 07:14 radley wrote: My opinion on the topic is: west community are mostly weirdos. Half of them do crazy stuff in private life and another half (or maybe all of them) loves to play judge without any qualifications. There are special institutions that should resolve such cases and u should base ur judge on their work, not on some at least shady arguments. On that matter, if I was in same place as Rapid I would probably gone dark regardless I was guilty or not. That's how fucked up modern world and west people are - you can spend saving of ur life on lawyers and maybe even clear ur name officialy, but it still won't fix public opinion much. To be clear, I'm not stating whether Rapid has or hasn't done something illegal. I just say its not starcraft community business, at least not until you are provided with some court sentence.
PS: art_of_turtle, you seriously amongst them? Didn't you describe a very similar problem some time ago with false accusations / blackmailing?
BSL made that statement themselves 3 yrs ago only to come back on it with 0 reason given. I think that's really the main issue. You can't just ignore that history. I agree with you there are a lot of weirdos in gaming and the court of public opinion is not the way to go, but this is not the root of the problem here, surely you understand how it is different If rapid came back apologised/or provided some defe se and restarted to build trust and then was put in bsl then fine. But that s not the case. If bsl has new elements clearing his name then release them and i ll retract my statement
Also like it or not you are part of "the west"
I don't know what ur talking about Baal regarding to me being part of west, but people's mentality border in central Europe is right between Germany and Poland. More close to true would be saying that France is becoming East, given the amount of Arabian representatives and constatly growing indulgence to their lifestyle. All this equality in everything that possible mantra comes from west (although whats funny, it kinda resembles communists, just maybe in some different aspects of life) and spreads like a cool looking cancer on rest of world. The goal is good, but nobody talks loudly how much of abuse of this new benefits comes from sides that are supposedly badly treated because of their gender, nationality, sexual orientation, believings and gluten intolerancy. Not gonna lie, it's becoming more and more visible even in Poland. Related to the topic, recently in Poland there were discussions about changing regulations regarding sexual abuse. May be a bit exagerrated, but in some cases it could change the way of prosecutions of sexual abuse from standard way of prooving guilt to having to provide proof of being ungilty. For me it's madness to even think about change like that. Imagine that you can be prosecuted for rape supposedly done a year ago by someone who have beef with you and you have to proove it wasn't you, not the opposite. Not 100% sure, but if I record correctly it was even stricly talking about men harrasing women (like there are no examples of women abusing children or even adult men in the past as well).
On December 10 2023 07:14 radley wrote: My opinion on the topic is: west community are mostly weirdos. Half of them do crazy stuff in private life and another half (or maybe all of them) loves to play judge without any qualifications. There are special institutions that should resolve such cases and u should base ur judge on their work, not on some at least shady arguments. On that matter, if I was in same place as Rapid I would probably gone dark regardless I was guilty or not. That's how fucked up modern world and west people are - you can spend saving of ur life on lawyers and maybe even clear ur name officialy, but it still won't fix public opinion much. To be clear, I'm not stating whether Rapid has or hasn't done something illegal. I just say its not starcraft community business, at least not until you are provided with some court sentence.
PS: art_of_turtle, you seriously amongst them? Didn't you describe a very similar problem some time ago with false accusations / blackmailing?
BSL made that statement themselves 3 yrs ago only to come back on it with 0 reason given. I think that's really the main issue. You can't just ignore that history. I agree with you there are a lot of weirdos in gaming and the court of public opinion is not the way to go, but this is not the root of the problem here, surely you understand how it is different If rapid came back apologised/or provided some defe se and restarted to build trust and then was put in bsl then fine. But that s not the case. If bsl has new elements clearing his name then release them and i ll retract my statement
Also like it or not you are part of "the west"
I don't know what ur talking about Baal regarding to me being part of west, but people's mentality border in central Europe is right between Germany and Poland. More close to true would be saying that France is becoming East, given the amount of Arabian representatives and constatly growing indulgence to their lifestyle. All this equality in everything that possible mantra comes from west (although whats funny, it kinda resembles communists, just maybe in some different aspects of life) and spreads like a cool looking cancer on rest of world. The goal is good, but nobody talks loudly how much of abuse of this new benefits comes from sides that are supposedly badly treated because of their gender, nationality, sexual orientation, believings and gluten intolerancy. Not gonna lie, it's becoming more and more visible even in Poland. Related to the topic, recently in Poland there were discussions about changing regulations regarding sexual abuse. May be a bit exagerrated, but in some cases it could change the way of prosecutions of sexual abuse from standard way of prooving guilt to having to provide proof of being ungilty. For me it's madness to even think about change like that. Imagine that you can be prosecuted for rape supposedly done a year ago by someone who have beef with you and you have to proove it wasn't you, not the opposite. Not 100% sure, but if I record correctly it was even stricly talking about men harrasing women (like there are no examples of women abusing children or even adult men in the past as well).
Poland is eu and nato and thus the west, it s not rocket science. Whether it s good or bad is not for here.
I m not talking about actual laws, i don't know nor care what Poland does, as I m not polish. This is about bsl going back on their own word. Tournaments have rules and bans, there are proper processes in and out of a ban. This wasnt followed up and that s the problem. Maybe to you it s not that obvious but as a tournament admin myself this is unacceptable.
To put it in a way you understand and related to gaming, so we can free ourselves from out of context topics: imagine someone is a maphacker and gets banned from BWCL. Then the next big bwcl tournament I invite the person to play without any announcement or explanation. How would that look?
Now in that example if for whatever reason it came to light the maphacking case wasn't airtight and we made a mistake, we would post about it and reintegrate the player. Or we would have a general amnesty that would also include that player. Either way it would be publically announced, especially if we had made a big announcement out of the ban. Examples include the selector case. This is about integrity of the tournament and the rules.
Actual legal action and public opinion is irrelevant once the first ban is issued. Can we at least agree on that?
On December 10 2023 07:14 radley wrote: My opinion on the topic is: west community are mostly weirdos. Half of them do crazy stuff in private life and another half (or maybe all of them) loves to play judge without any qualifications. There are special institutions that should resolve such cases and u should base ur judge on their work, not on some at least shady arguments. On that matter, if I was in same place as Rapid I would probably gone dark regardless I was guilty or not. That's how fucked up modern world and west people are - you can spend saving of ur life on lawyers and maybe even clear ur name officialy, but it still won't fix public opinion much. To be clear, I'm not stating whether Rapid has or hasn't done something illegal. I just say its not starcraft community business, at least not until you are provided with some court sentence.
PS: art_of_turtle, you seriously amongst them? Didn't you describe a very similar problem some time ago with false accusations / blackmailing?
BSL made that statement themselves 3 yrs ago only to come back on it with 0 reason given. I think that's really the main issue. You can't just ignore that history. I agree with you there are a lot of weirdos in gaming and the court of public opinion is not the way to go, but this is not the root of the problem here, surely you understand how it is different If rapid came back apologised/or provided some defe se and restarted to build trust and then was put in bsl then fine. But that s not the case. If bsl has new elements clearing his name then release them and i ll retract my statement
Also like it or not you are part of "the west"
I don't know what ur talking about Baal regarding to me being part of west, but people's mentality border in central Europe is right between Germany and Poland. More close to true would be saying that France is becoming East, given the amount of Arabian representatives and constatly growing indulgence to their lifestyle. All this equality in everything that possible mantra comes from west (although whats funny, it kinda resembles communists, just maybe in some different aspects of life) and spreads like a cool looking cancer on rest of world. The goal is good, but nobody talks loudly how much of abuse of this new benefits comes from sides that are supposedly badly treated because of their gender, nationality, sexual orientation, believings and gluten intolerancy. Not gonna lie, it's becoming more and more visible even in Poland. Related to the topic, recently in Poland there were discussions about changing regulations regarding sexual abuse. May be a bit exagerrated, but in some cases it could change the way of prosecutions of sexual abuse from standard way of prooving guilt to having to provide proof of being ungilty. For me it's madness to even think about change like that. Imagine that you can be prosecuted for rape supposedly done a year ago by someone who have beef with you and you have to proove it wasn't you, not the opposite. Not 100% sure, but if I record correctly it was even stricly talking about men harrasing women (like there are no examples of women abusing children or even adult men in the past as well).
I would love to hear other's from your country explain this. Of course you can go too far in ANY direction.
Bottom line is... Do you have underaged family members? You have a niece, a daughter, a cousin? You let Rapid babysit or not?
Also historical communists are known for how much they care about rape eh... Red Terror and the likes... A rabbit hole not for this thread maybe...
On December 10 2023 07:14 radley wrote: My opinion on the topic is: west community are mostly weirdos. Half of them do crazy stuff in private life and another half (or maybe all of them) loves to play judge without any qualifications. There are special institutions that should resolve such cases and u should base ur judge on their work, not on some at least shady arguments. On that matter, if I was in same place as Rapid I would probably gone dark regardless I was guilty or not. That's how fucked up modern world and west people are - you can spend saving of ur life on lawyers and maybe even clear ur name officialy, but it still won't fix public opinion much. To be clear, I'm not stating whether Rapid has or hasn't done something illegal. I just say its not starcraft community business, at least not until you are provided with some court sentence.
PS: art_of_turtle, you seriously amongst them? Didn't you describe a very similar problem some time ago with false accusations / blackmailing?
I understand the “innocent until proven absolutely guilty” mentality but it’s pretty clear by the numerous accusations from multiple people and the fact that he went completely dark after that he’s guilty of at least something perverse and nefarious.
Also, I don’t know how you can come to an ignorant and extreme conclusion that all people in the western community are “weirdos” for one man’s behaviour and action. That kind of statement is clearly prejudice and uncalled for.
The main issue here as I see it is that, as far as I can tell, Rapid has not addressed this at any point. I feel the majority of the people on this thread would not be jumping on Rapid if he had tried to talk about the situation. Instead, he went dark for 3 years and now he is back again. It is fine to come back, it was ok to take some time to figure his life out, it is ok to refuse to acknowledge something while you are still emotionally affected by this, but his presence now seems that he is either over it or he hopes that we have forgotten.
Well... we have not forgotten, our memory span is longer than 3 years and saying something as blunt as "I am sorry guys, in the past I have done wrong and I have learnt my lesson, I will try to be better in future" would have been fine. Equally, if he believes he is innocent saying that the accusations were wrong and asking for them to be proven before he can accept guild would also have been fine. The matter of the fact is that he has done none of this and we are expected to "take the higher road" and simply shrug it off and forget about it? That is not happening. I agree with AoT that I will not be promoting or supporting BSL anymore until we hear an official statement from the organizers.
Yes, we are a small community, so there is no reason to allow one single person to divide it even further... Let us ask this person to play by the rules and address his issues or make it apparent to him that he is not welcome in this small community, so that we may preserve it ^^
When I was watching the stream, I was very shocked to hear Rapid casting. I think it was a mistake to include him for multiple reasons:
1) As other people mentioned, the sexual harrassment allegations were never resolved. He never issued an apology or provided any explanation for his behaviour. I know Brood War is a bit of a men's club of a game, but allowing people with numerous sexual harrassment allegations to participate makes the community less safe for women.
2) It's not "cancelling" Rapid to not allow him to participate as a caster. There is no reason I can think of for BSL to damage its own reputation and credibility just to give Rapid a spot as a caster.
3) Setting aside points 1 & 2, which are already damning, his casting and game knowledge is just not up to par.
On December 10 2023 09:05 radley wrote: You know what, I won't continue the discussion because it clearly has no sense. Sorry for trouble and have fun.
You are right. This is fun. It's fun trying to escape from the craziness of reality and it always catching up to me...
Arguing about what should be common sense darkening the 25th year anniversary of BW instead of enjoying Julia's accomplishment.
This IS exactly how I want to spend my time... Hope you smell the sarcasm in my text.. ^_._^
I distinctly remember feeling like Wolf was the only caster I disliked more that Rapid - at least in the beginning. Over time he became better at casting, but just when he was starting to pick up enough steam to become someone respected in the scene this huge drama broke out.
So you've never heard the tragedy of Darth Rapid the horny. I'm not surprised. It's not a story the simps of starcraft would tell you. It's a Team Liquid legend. Darth Rapid was a caster of starcraft so sex-oriented and so hung that he could influence a conversation to create opportunities to send dick pics. He had a such knowledge of his genitals, that he could even send pictures of if to many people at the same time. The dark side of the internet is a gateway to many opportunities some would consider to be unnatural. He became so prolific, the only thing he was afraid of... was losing his right to send people pictures of his dick. Which eventually of course he did. Unfortunately, he taught the people he wanted to bang everything about his dick, and they cancelled him in his sleep. Ironic. He could be honest about his dick, but not himself.
On December 10 2023 07:14 radley wrote: My opinion on the topic is: west community are mostly weirdos. Half of them do crazy stuff in private life and another half (or maybe all of them) loves to play judge without any qualifications. There are special institutions that should resolve such cases and u should base ur judge on their work, not on some at least shady arguments. On that matter, if I was in same place as Rapid I would probably gone dark regardless I was guilty or not. That's how fucked up modern world and west people are - you can spend saving of ur life on lawyers and maybe even clear ur name officialy, but it still won't fix public opinion much. To be clear, I'm not stating whether Rapid has or hasn't done something illegal. I just say its not starcraft community business, at least not until you are provided with some court sentence.
PS: art_of_turtle, you seriously amongst them? Didn't you describe a very similar problem some time ago with false accusations / blackmailing?
I take responsibility for being against rapid if it means taking away an audience that can be manipulated by him. As for the false accusations it was probably the same incident but with an understanding it could be blackmail, not that it was. The speculation was they were saying it to be a part of the #metoo when the Harvey Weinstein event was playing out, but there was zero pushback from rapid which I would have loved to hear. Instead radio silence and a quiet return.
On December 10 2023 10:24 ThunderJunk wrote: I distinctly remember feeling like Wolf was the only caster I disliked more that Rapid - at least in the beginning. Over time he became better at casting, but just when he was starting to pick up enough steam to become someone respected in the scene this huge drama broke out.
So you've never heard the tragedy of Darth Rapid the horny. I'm not surprised. It's not a story the simps of starcraft would tell you. It's a Team Liquid legend. Darth Rapid was a caster of starcraft so sex-oriented and so hung that he could influence a conversation to create opportunities to send dick pics. He had a such knowledge of his genitals, that he could even send pictures of if to many people at the same time. The dark side of the internet is a gateway to many opportunities some would consider to be unnatural. He became so prolific, the only thing he was afraid of... was losing his right to send people pictures of his dick. Which eventually of course he did. Unfortunately, he taught the people he wanted to bang everything about his dick, and they cancelled him in his sleep. Ironic. He could be honest about his dick, but not himself.
Waaw... I will tell InvisibleMenProductions to make a video out of this... Too good.
Sounds like maybe ZZZero didn't know (I think he should still make a statement to clarify this) and Rus_Brain just decided he wanted Rapid there. I think we should get clarity on that before hitting BSL or ZZZero.
But we have multiple testimonies of misconduct by Rapid so he clearly did some fucked up shit lol. Believing evidence isn't cancel culture.
On December 10 2023 11:24 des wrote: Sounds like maybe ZZZero didn't know (I think he should still make a statement to clarify this) and Rus_Brain just decided he wanted Rapid there. I think we should get clarity on that before hitting BSL or ZZZero.
But we have multiple testimonies of misconduct by Rapid so he clearly did some fucked up shit lol. Believing evidence isn't cancel culture.
On December 10 2023 11:24 des wrote: Sounds like maybe ZZZero didn't know (I think he should still make a statement to clarify this) and Rus_Brain just decided he wanted Rapid there. I think we should get clarity on that before hitting BSL or ZZZero.
But we have multiple testimonies of misconduct by Rapid so he clearly did some fucked up shit lol. Believing evidence isn't cancel culture.
Sorry, I meant didn't know Rapid was going to cast. I'm not sure who made that decision and if ZZZero had final signoff or anything like that. Definitely if he was fully aware of everything that's not good though.
I only know of Rapid as the former substitute ASL caster but idk enough about the facts to really weigh in
but regardless I think it's clear that it was/is extremely naive for the organizers to think you could have Rapid reappear and cast without it being a huge distraction. If the overarching goal was for this to be a great celebration of Starcraft, not sure Rapid's participation is worth this distraction.
For the sake of argument, even if the organizers did genuinely believe Rapid deserved to return, wouldn't now be literally the worst possible timing for it, why not choose a more low-key event?
On December 10 2023 07:14 radley wrote: My opinion on the topic is: west community are mostly weirdos. Half of them do crazy stuff in private life and another half (or maybe all of them) loves to play judge without any qualifications. There are special institutions that should resolve such cases and u should base ur judge on their work, not on some at least shady arguments. On that matter, if I was in same place as Rapid I would probably gone dark regardless I was guilty or not. That's how fucked up modern world and west people are - you can spend saving of ur life on lawyers and maybe even clear ur name officialy, but it still won't fix public opinion much. To be clear, I'm not stating whether Rapid has or hasn't done something illegal. I just say its not starcraft community business, at least not until you are provided with some court sentence.
PS: art_of_turtle, you seriously amongst them? Didn't you describe a very similar problem some time ago with false accusations / blackmailing?
I understand the “innocent until proven absolutely guilty” mentality but it’s pretty clear by the numerous accusations from multiple people and the fact that he went completely dark after that he’s guilty of at least something perverse and nefarious. Also, I don’t know how you can come to an ignorant and extreme conclusion that all people in the western community are “weirdos” for one man’s behaviour and action. That kind of statement is clearly prejudice and uncalled for.
+1 In the past I had respect for Radley as someone who speaks up and has well thought out discussions. RIP to that. Sweeping generalizations FTW.I guess.
On December 10 2023 07:14 radley wrote: My opinion on the topic is: west community are mostly weirdos. Half of them do crazy stuff in private life and another half (or maybe all of them) loves to play judge without any qualifications. There are special institutions that should resolve such cases and u should base ur judge on their work, not on some at least shady arguments. On that matter, if I was in same place as Rapid I would probably gone dark regardless I was guilty or not. That's how fucked up modern world and west people are - you can spend saving of ur life on lawyers and maybe even clear ur name officialy, but it still won't fix public opinion much. To be clear, I'm not stating whether Rapid has or hasn't done something illegal. I just say its not starcraft community business, at least not until you are provided with some court sentence.
PS: art_of_turtle, you seriously amongst them? Didn't you describe a very similar problem some time ago with false accusations / blackmailing?
I understand the “innocent until proven absolutely guilty” mentality but it’s pretty clear by the numerous accusations from multiple people and the fact that he went completely dark after that he’s guilty of at least something perverse and nefarious. Also, I don’t know how you can come to an ignorant and extreme conclusion that all people in the western community are “weirdos” for one man’s behaviour and action. That kind of statement is clearly prejudice and uncalled for.
+1 In the past I had respect for Radley as someone who speaks up and has well thought out discussions. RIP to that. Sweeping generalizations FTW.I guess.
Not to say Radley doesn't have merit to his thoughts on this situation in the right context. Which that context would be that this is the first time this has occured. I respect that Radley wants to give rapid another opportunity but I just don't see any way of moving forward without an acknowledgement of his past.
Also take into account that this was 3 years ago so it's not just common knowledge which is why this thread is important in setting the context.
like legitimately *before* any of this came out 3 years ago i used to turn off the videos of this guy commentating. he gets basic factual stuff about the game wrong. he misses stuff that's on the screen in front of him, let alone the minimap. he is constantly comparing everything to starcraft 2 which is simply a different game. he doesn't understand basic strategy. he's not aware of builds that have been commonplace for 20+ years. he interrupts other commentators. he's not funny. he's not exciting. he's not interesting. he used to audibly be really fucking weird toward cadenzie when they co-commentated some tournaments (to be clear i dont know how she felt about it just saying how it sounded to me). i used to hear him and think "he must be a really good guy or something for them to keep bringing him back". and then all this shit came out. and i just really don't fucking get it.
i don't think his skill as a commentator really SHOULD matter, like, even if he was a good commentator, this wouldn't be excusable.
but this is just downright fucking confusing. like what's the upsides of having this guy on commentary? like even if you legitimately believe that 3 separate scenes worth of accusations are fake (they're not), why put him back on commentary? do you really think he's a good commentator? what does he add? there are other better commentators *at the event right now*.
On December 10 2023 07:14 radley wrote: My opinion on the topic is: west community are mostly weirdos. Half of them do crazy stuff in private life and another half (or maybe all of them) loves to play judge without any qualifications. There are special institutions that should resolve such cases and u should base ur judge on their work, not on some at least shady arguments. On that matter, if I was in same place as Rapid I would probably gone dark regardless I was guilty or not. That's how fucked up modern world and west people are - you can spend saving of ur life on lawyers and maybe even clear ur name officialy, but it still won't fix public opinion much. To be clear, I'm not stating whether Rapid has or hasn't done something illegal. I just say its not starcraft community business, at least not until you are provided with some court sentence.
PS: art_of_turtle, you seriously amongst them? Didn't you describe a very similar problem some time ago with false accusations / blackmailing?
I understand the “innocent until proven absolutely guilty” mentality but it’s pretty clear by the numerous accusations from multiple people and the fact that he went completely dark after that he’s guilty of at least something perverse and nefarious. Also, I don’t know how you can come to an ignorant and extreme conclusion that all people in the western community are “weirdos” for one man’s behaviour and action. That kind of statement is clearly prejudice and uncalled for.
+1 In the past I had respect for Radley as someone who speaks up and has well thought out discussions. RIP to that. Sweeping generalizations FTW.I guess.
Not to say Radley doesn't have merit to his thoughts on this situation in the right context. Which that context would be that this is the first time this has occured. I respect that Radley wants to give rapid another opportunity but I just don't see any way of moving forward without an acknowledgement of his past.
Also take into account that this was 3 years ago so it's not just common knowledge which is why this thread is important in setting the context.
I was simply echoing the part in bold, I don't really have anything to add to the main conversation.
On December 10 2023 09:50 Counc1l wrote: When I was watching the stream, I was very shocked to hear Rapid casting. I think it was a mistake to include him for multiple reasons:
1) As other people mentioned, the sexual harrassment allegations were never resolved. He never issued an apology or provided any explanation for his behaviour. I know Brood War is a bit of a men's club of a game, but allowing people with numerous sexual harrassment allegations to participate makes the community less safe for women.
2) It's not "cancelling" Rapid to not allow him to participate as a caster. There is no reason I can think of for BSL to damage its own reputation and credibility just to give Rapid a spot as a caster.
3) Setting aside points 1 & 2, which are already damning, his casting and game knowledge is just not up to par.
I mean correct on all points. It’s not like the scene is lacking decent casters who don’t have such baggage. Starcast alone have multiple blokes who have genuine chops plus play at a relatively high level to boot, without any of that baggage.
There’s been plenty of casting talent who’ve busted their balls across both StarCrafts and never got past the ceiling of more established casters taking the vast majority of good gigs. So do you really need to go to someone who hasn’t been active for 3 years and was never really a BW specialist? Even ignoring the reasons for the absence.
Casting is a skill certainly, having done locals for years in a proudly unprofessional scene, so I know you can’t just throw anyone in there but hell there’s probably a fair few TL vets who could do a job if there weren’t sufficient specialist casters
I don't know most of the specifics, only the things that surfaced back when these things surfaced. I generally think people should be given second chances, but it also doesn't sit right with me that a guy who's done these terrible things just appears out of nowhere again and expects everyone to have forgotten what he did without any further apology
Well, now we will see if the top dogs in this community have some balls, specially since some of them are kind of friends with him. Probably also the reason why he showed up at this certain event out of all.
On December 11 2023 05:30 Leonix wrote: Well, now we will see if the top dogs in this community have some balls, specially since some of them are kind of friends with him. Probably also the reason why he showed up at this certain event out of all.
He wasn't casting on Day 2. Will keep an ear out...
On December 11 2023 04:36 Akio wrote: I don't know most of the specifics, only the things that surfaced back when these things surfaced. I generally think people should be given second chances, but it also doesn't sit right with me that a guy who's done these terrible things just appears out of nowhere again and expects everyone to have forgotten what he did without any further apology
He had his second chance, he was banned from the League community and came here. We were his second chance. He used his place here to just do the same shit again which is why a lot of people here are as angry as they are.
On December 11 2023 05:30 Leonix wrote: Well, now we will see if the top dogs in this community have some balls, specially since some of them are kind of friends with him. Probably also the reason why he showed up at this certain event out of all.
He wasn't casting on Day 2. Will keep an ear out...
He wasn't and yet no announcement so wtf is going on~
On December 11 2023 05:30 Leonix wrote: Well, now we will see if the top dogs in this community have some balls, specially since some of them are kind of friends with him. Probably also the reason why he showed up at this certain event out of all.
He wasn't casting on Day 2. Will keep an ear out...
He wasn't and yet no announcement so wtf is going on~
Has there ever been any hard evidence on both validity of those claims and age of the supposed victims? Have we seen records of conversations that lead to those moments? If so, why is anyone trying to play the police here, and why this is not an actual police or legal case? Is it because it wouldn't hold? Perhaps Rapid should have issued a statement, or perhaps he didn't want to fight windmills and wrestle with leftist mob who wanted to crucify him - would anything he could have said really satisfy anyone?
On December 11 2023 19:27 ShadPro wrote: Has there ever been any hard evidence on both validity of those claims and age of the supposed victims? Have we seen records of conversations that lead to those moments? If so, why is anyone trying to play the police here, and why this is not an actual police or legal case? Is it because it wouldn't hold? Perhaps Rapid should have issued a statement, or perhaps he didn't want to fight windmills and wrestle with leftist mob who wanted to crucify him - would anything he could have said really satisfy anyone?
Radley's other acc? ^_._^ (Edit: I now know ShadPro is his own person confirmed).
Legal things are between victims and accused. There are many reasons why victims do not pursue legal actions. If you were actually interested in the topic there's plenty of things you can read out there:
All of that aside this is about BSL integrity and the community as a whole. Do we condone that behavior or not?
Personally I would have been satisfied IF back when the first accusation came out he issued an apology to those harmed and vowed to change his ways. (Or if there were legal actions you say you can't address anything until that is over and when it is you issue your apology). Instead what have is public silence to this day...
Speaking of Crucifixion... I associate it in my mind with the Roman Empire first and foremost. A very well known left wing institution... (that's sarcasm if any1 is wondering) ^_._^
On December 11 2023 19:27 ShadPro wrote: Has there ever been any hard evidence on both validity of those claims and age of the supposed victims? Have we seen records of conversations that lead to those moments? If so, why is anyone trying to play the police here, and why this is not an actual police or legal case? Is it because it wouldn't hold? Perhaps Rapid should have issued a statement, or perhaps he didn't want to fight windmills and wrestle with leftist mob who wanted to crucify him - would anything he could have said really satisfy anyone?
Theres extensive material to read up on posted in the OP, maybe read those if you want to defend the guy so you have the same "facts" as the people who think its questionable to have dude casting BSL.
To me anyway, I personally agree with the notion that its best to hear both sides(as a general rule of thumb in cases where there are multiple sides to a story) and he had the chance to either deny the claims or say "I know I fucked up I'll change I promise" or say "cause of pending trial I'm not at liberty to comment the allegations", anything is better than just not saying anything then deleting all your socials and going under a rock for 3 years and then come back as if people will probably just have forgot about it.
As of right now(and for the last few years) the only available info is the info against him and thats of his chosing so...
Either way however you feel about rapids case(or casting), BSL as an organisation publically said they'd not work with the guy and made a big announcement about it and now here he was in the BSL official celebration of 25 years of Starcraft, whatever you feel about rapid directly, its unquestionable that without any type of announcement or something to justify it in advance its questionable behaviour from BSL as an organisation
On December 11 2023 15:56 prosatan wrote: maybe rapid can cast some games when we celebrate 26 years of starcraft
On December 11 2023 19:27 ShadPro wrote: Has there ever been any hard evidence on both validity of those claims and age of the supposed victims? Have we seen records of conversations that lead to those moments? If so, why is anyone trying to play the police here, and why this is not an actual police or legal case? Is it because it wouldn't hold? Perhaps Rapid should have issued a statement, or perhaps he didn't want to fight windmills and wrestle with leftist mob who wanted to crucify him - would anything he could have said really satisfy anyone?
Radley's other acc? ^_._^
Legal things are between victims and accused. There are many reasons why victims do not pursue legal actions. If you were actually interested in the topic there's plenty of things you can read out there:
All of that aside this is about BSL integrity and the community as a whole. Do we condone that behavior or not?
Personally I would have been satisfied IF back when the first accusation came out he issued an apology to those harmed and vowed to change his ways. (Or if there were legal actions you say you can't address anything until that is over and when it is you issue your apology). Instead what have is public silence to this day...
Speaking of Crucifixion... I associate it in my mind with the Roman Empire first and foremost. A very well known left wing institution... (that's sarcasm if any1 is wondering) ^_._^
This is some very incoherent mumbling, even though you are trying. Why are you bringing up reasons for not reporting rape in a discussion about a kid flirting and sending dic picks online whilst all the victims have actually publicly reported it under the real credentials? It was neither rape (nor there is still any tangible proof of it) nor was it not reported - on the contrary. It was discussed in public on multiple occasions. How is any of your arguments relevant?
Of course I wouldn't accept rape if it was legal, believe it or not, sexual abuse, online or not, is not legal either.
So to sum up, we agreed that these actions are not legal or moral, but also agree that we are past any barriers of not talking about them openly. However, the case still hasn't been legally pursued. There could be a few reasons, the most likely one is that there isn't sufficient evidence.
On December 11 2023 19:27 ShadPro wrote: Has there ever been any hard evidence on both validity of those claims and age of the supposed victims? Have we seen records of conversations that lead to those moments? If so, why is anyone trying to play the police here, and why this is not an actual police or legal case? Is it because it wouldn't hold? Perhaps Rapid should have issued a statement, or perhaps he didn't want to fight windmills and wrestle with leftist mob who wanted to crucify him - would anything he could have said really satisfy anyone?
Radley's other acc? ^_._^
Legal things are between victims and accused. There are many reasons why victims do not pursue legal actions. If you were actually interested in the topic there's plenty of things you can read out there:
All of that aside this is about BSL integrity and the community as a whole. Do we condone that behavior or not?
Personally I would have been satisfied IF back when the first accusation came out he issued an apology to those harmed and vowed to change his ways. (Or if there were legal actions you say you can't address anything until that is over and when it is you issue your apology). Instead what have is public silence to this day...
Speaking of Crucifixion... I associate it in my mind with the Roman Empire first and foremost. A very well known left wing institution... (that's sarcasm if any1 is wondering) ^_._^
This is some very incoherent mumbling, even though you are trying. Why are you bringing up reasons for not reporting rape in a discussion about a kid flirting and sending dic picks online whilst all the victims have actually publicly reported it under the real credentials? It was neither rape (nor there is still any tangible proof of it) nor was it not reported - on the contrary. It was discussed in public on multiple occasions. How is any of your arguments relevant?
Of course I wouldn't accept rape if it was legal, believe it or not, sexual abuse, online or not, is not legal either.
So to sum up, we agreed that these actions are not legal or moral, but also agree that we are past any barriers of not talking about them openly. However, the case still hasn't been legally pursued. There could be a few reasons, the most likely one is that there isn't sufficient evidence.
Do we have any actual facts on that it hasnt "been legally pursued" or is it just an assumption?
On December 11 2023 19:27 ShadPro wrote: Has there ever been any hard evidence on both validity of those claims and age of the supposed victims? Have we seen records of conversations that lead to those moments? If so, why is anyone trying to play the police here, and why this is not an actual police or legal case? Is it because it wouldn't hold? Perhaps Rapid should have issued a statement, or perhaps he didn't want to fight windmills and wrestle with leftist mob who wanted to crucify him - would anything he could have said really satisfy anyone?
Theres extensive material to read up on posted in the OP, maybe read those if you want to defend the guy so you have the same "facts" as the people who think its questionable to have dude casting BSL.
To me anyway, I personally agree with the notion that its best to hear both sides(as a general rule of thumb in cases where there are multiple sides to a story) and he had the chance to either deny the claims or say "I know I fucked up I'll change I promise" or say "cause of pending trial I'm not at liberty to comment the allegations", anything is better than just not saying anything then deleting all your socials and going under a rock for 3 years and then come back as if people will probably just have forgot about it.
As of right now(and for the last few years) the only available info is the info against him and thats of his chosing so...
Either way however you feel about rapids case(or casting), BSL as an organisation publically said they'd not work with the guy and made a big announcement about it and now here he was in the BSL official celebration of 25 years of Starcraft, whatever you feel about rapid directly, its unquestionable that without any type of announcement or something to justify it in advance its questionable behaviour from BSL as an organisation
On December 11 2023 15:56 prosatan wrote: maybe rapid can cast some games when we celebrate 26 years of starcraft
i see what you did there ;>
I read those threads, half of them have been deleted, big part is just some unverifiable text, one of them is someone who has been having sex with him for years, some of them are related to other individuals who are not named. Is this the evidence?
I also agree that he should stand up for himself if the accusations are not true, my guess is he was bracing for legal action. He doesnt need to be proving innocent until he is proven guilty, which hasn't happened. Regardless of it, he would still be condemned because whiteknightism in industry dominated by awkward men is still strong.
Regarding BSL, well. The guy paid for the trip and turned up in Thailand, which is more than all of the posters here did. BSL had to do what every institution does in the original case, same as in general of pop culture, reduce damage. Since nothing has been still proven since, I think it is fair to say that public exclusion caused by mob is a fair punishment. I don't see why BSL owns any explanations if there is no guilt proven, but only individual feelings.
On December 11 2023 19:27 ShadPro wrote: Has there ever been any hard evidence on both validity of those claims and age of the supposed victims? Have we seen records of conversations that lead to those moments? If so, why is anyone trying to play the police here, and why this is not an actual police or legal case? Is it because it wouldn't hold? Perhaps Rapid should have issued a statement, or perhaps he didn't want to fight windmills and wrestle with leftist mob who wanted to crucify him - would anything he could have said really satisfy anyone?
Radley's other acc? ^_._^
Legal things are between victims and accused. There are many reasons why victims do not pursue legal actions. If you were actually interested in the topic there's plenty of things you can read out there:
All of that aside this is about BSL integrity and the community as a whole. Do we condone that behavior or not?
Personally I would have been satisfied IF back when the first accusation came out he issued an apology to those harmed and vowed to change his ways. (Or if there were legal actions you say you can't address anything until that is over and when it is you issue your apology). Instead what have is public silence to this day...
Speaking of Crucifixion... I associate it in my mind with the Roman Empire first and foremost. A very well known left wing institution... (that's sarcasm if any1 is wondering) ^_._^
This is some very incoherent mumbling, even though you are trying. Why are you bringing up reasons for not reporting rape in a discussion about a kid flirting and sending dic picks online whilst all the victims have actually publicly reported it under the real credentials? It was neither rape (nor there is still any tangible proof of it) nor was it not reported - on the contrary. It was discussed in public on multiple occasions. How is any of your arguments relevant?
Of course I wouldn't accept rape if it was legal, believe it or not, sexual abuse, online or not, is not legal either.
So to sum up, we agreed that these actions are not legal or moral, but also agree that we are past any barriers of not talking about them openly. However, the case still hasn't been legally pursued. There could be a few reasons, the most likely one is that there isn't sufficient evidence.
Do we have any actual facts on that it hasnt "been legally pursued" or is it just an assumption?
Purely an assumption. If Rapid is a registered sex offender I will shut up and apologise. There has been no news about in the bw community and we have still not seen any proof since.
On December 11 2023 19:27 ShadPro wrote: Has there ever been any hard evidence on both validity of those claims and age of the supposed victims? Have we seen records of conversations that lead to those moments? If so, why is anyone trying to play the police here, and why this is not an actual police or legal case? Is it because it wouldn't hold? Perhaps Rapid should have issued a statement, or perhaps he didn't want to fight windmills and wrestle with leftist mob who wanted to crucify him - would anything he could have said really satisfy anyone?
Theres extensive material to read up on posted in the OP, maybe read those if you want to defend the guy so you have the same "facts" as the people who think its questionable to have dude casting BSL.
To me anyway, I personally agree with the notion that its best to hear both sides(as a general rule of thumb in cases where there are multiple sides to a story) and he had the chance to either deny the claims or say "I know I fucked up I'll change I promise" or say "cause of pending trial I'm not at liberty to comment the allegations", anything is better than just not saying anything then deleting all your socials and going under a rock for 3 years and then come back as if people will probably just have forgot about it.
As of right now(and for the last few years) the only available info is the info against him and thats of his chosing so...
Either way however you feel about rapids case(or casting), BSL as an organisation publically said they'd not work with the guy and made a big announcement about it and now here he was in the BSL official celebration of 25 years of Starcraft, whatever you feel about rapid directly, its unquestionable that without any type of announcement or something to justify it in advance its questionable behaviour from BSL as an organisation
On December 11 2023 15:56 prosatan wrote: maybe rapid can cast some games when we celebrate 26 years of starcraft
i see what you did there ;>
I read those threads, half of them have been deleted, big part is just some unverifiable text, one of them is someone who has been having sex with him for years, some of them are related to other individuals who are not named. Is this the evidence?
I also agree that he should stand up for himself if the accusations are not true, my guess is he was bracing for legal action. He doesnt need to be proving innocent until he is proven guilty, which hasn't happened. Regardless of it, he would still be condemned because whiteknightism in industry dominated by awkward men is still strong.
Regarding BSL, well. The guy paid for the trip and turned up in Thailand, which is more than all of the posters here did. BSL had to do what every institution does in the original case, same as in general of pop culture, reduce damage. Since nothing has been still proven since, I think it is fair to say that public exclusion caused by mob is a fair punishment. I don't see why BSL owns any explanations if there is no guilt proven, but only individual feelings.
You forget the tiny little detail that he was banned from BSL in a very public manner, and now he's there without having been unbanned. It doesn't matter if he paid for it. Hell it doesn't even matter why the ban was issued. This is gross incompetence by BSL as a tournament.
You think anybody banned from any tournament can just come back if they pay a trip to wherever? That's hilarious.
I can guarantee you if ASL had a similar setup, and Ss1nz tried to pay for it, they d still kick him out (deliberately picked a case that has no legal action, just account sharing).
Ignoring the reason for the ban, do you agree with my view from a tournament organization standpoint?
If you agree, would you then also agree that IF BSL had decided to let him be there, there should have been at a minimum some sort of unbanning announcement. It could have been a one liner. The lack of any communication from BSL AND Rapid on such a high profile case is the main beef people have here. Regardless of how you feel about the accusations and whether they are well founded or not.
Surely we can separate the debate between the accusations and the tournament side of the ban. You could have made all the points when bsl issued the ban, but as soon as it was done, it became irrelevant. There is no whiteknighting in this. You could replace the accusations with maphacking for the concept of it. Can you at least recognize that as a valid concern? Or should we just open the gate and ditch banlists, afterall if rapid is back, why not mafius (or whoever s currently banned from BSL)?
Or are you gonna be like Radley, ignore that point entirely and go on some weird tangent? I haven't seen anyone counter argue my point so far, only weak deflection attempts.
On December 11 2023 19:27 ShadPro wrote: Has there ever been any hard evidence on both validity of those claims and age of the supposed victims? Have we seen records of conversations that lead to those moments? If so, why is anyone trying to play the police here, and why this is not an actual police or legal case? Is it because it wouldn't hold? Perhaps Rapid should have issued a statement, or perhaps he didn't want to fight windmills and wrestle with leftist mob who wanted to crucify him - would anything he could have said really satisfy anyone?
Theres extensive material to read up on posted in the OP, maybe read those if you want to defend the guy so you have the same "facts" as the people who think its questionable to have dude casting BSL.
To me anyway, I personally agree with the notion that its best to hear both sides(as a general rule of thumb in cases where there are multiple sides to a story) and he had the chance to either deny the claims or say "I know I fucked up I'll change I promise" or say "cause of pending trial I'm not at liberty to comment the allegations", anything is better than just not saying anything then deleting all your socials and going under a rock for 3 years and then come back as if people will probably just have forgot about it.
As of right now(and for the last few years) the only available info is the info against him and thats of his chosing so...
Either way however you feel about rapids case(or casting), BSL as an organisation publically said they'd not work with the guy and made a big announcement about it and now here he was in the BSL official celebration of 25 years of Starcraft, whatever you feel about rapid directly, its unquestionable that without any type of announcement or something to justify it in advance its questionable behaviour from BSL as an organisation
On December 11 2023 15:56 prosatan wrote: maybe rapid can cast some games when we celebrate 26 years of starcraft
i see what you did there ;>
I read those threads, half of them have been deleted, big part is just some unverifiable text, one of them is someone who has been having sex with him for years, some of them are related to other individuals who are not named. Is this the evidence?
I also agree that he should stand up for himself if the accusations are not true, my guess is he was bracing for legal action. He doesnt need to be proving innocent until he is proven guilty, which hasn't happened. Regardless of it, he would still be condemned because whiteknightism in industry dominated by awkward men is still strong.
Regarding BSL, well. The guy paid for the trip and turned up in Thailand, which is more than all of the posters here did. BSL had to do what every institution does in the original case, same as in general of pop culture, reduce damage. Since nothing has been still proven since, I think it is fair to say that public exclusion caused by mob is a fair punishment. I don't see why BSL owns any explanations if there is no guilt proven, but only individual feelings.
You forget the tiny little detail that he was banned from BSL in a very public manner, and now he's there without having been unbanned. It doesn't matter if he paid for it. Hell it doesn't even matter why the ban was issued. This is gross incompetence by BSL as a tournament.
You think anybody banned from any tournament can just come back if they pay a trip to wherever? That's hilarious.
I can guarantee you if ASL had a similar setup, and Ss1nz tried to pay for it, they d still kick him out (deliberately picked a case that has no legal action, just account sharing).
Ignoring the reason for the ban, do you agree with my view from a tournament organization standpoint?
If you agree, would you then also agree that IF BSL had decided to let him be there, there should have been at a minimum some sort of unbanning announcement. It could have been a one liner. The lack of any communication from BSL AND Rapid on such a high profile case is the main beef people have here. Regardless of how you feel about the accusations and whether they are well founded or not.
Surely we can separate the debate between the accusations and the tournament side of the ban. You could have made all the points when bsl issued the ban, but as soon as it was done, it became irrelevant. There is no whiteknighting in this. You could replace the accusations with maphacking for the concept of it. Can you at least recognize that as a valid concern? Or should we just open the gate and ditch banlists, afterall if rapid is back, why not mafius (or whoever s currently banned from BSL)?
Or are you gonna be like Radley, ignore that point entirely and go on some weird tangent? I haven't seen anyone counter argue my point so far, only weak deflection attempts.
Based on a recent example, isn't that exactly Bisu in ASL? Who was literally caught cryptoscamming with proof and played last season? Unless that is somehow different, I have not seen any formal representation about this.
I can absolutely separate those two things, glad we are doing it since the entire case is so shady. I made all these arguments earlier as well, but not posted them here, as I didn't think bw community is as dull as the general public and that it will be taken so far.
I think the main point is here that banlists are issued by the organiser, and can change without any duty to issue a public statement. Maybe you are right there should have been a courtesy announcement, maybe not. What good would that do than to cause a pre-event shitstorm and having the same people posting here? Except a couple of reasonable individuals like you, would that be worth it?
I am unsure what is better for the tournament itself.
On December 11 2023 19:27 ShadPro wrote: Has there ever been any hard evidence on both validity of those claims and age of the supposed victims? Have we seen records of conversations that lead to those moments? If so, why is anyone trying to play the police here, and why this is not an actual police or legal case? Is it because it wouldn't hold? Perhaps Rapid should have issued a statement, or perhaps he didn't want to fight windmills and wrestle with leftist mob who wanted to crucify him - would anything he could have said really satisfy anyone?
Theres extensive material to read up on posted in the OP, maybe read those if you want to defend the guy so you have the same "facts" as the people who think its questionable to have dude casting BSL.
To me anyway, I personally agree with the notion that its best to hear both sides(as a general rule of thumb in cases where there are multiple sides to a story) and he had the chance to either deny the claims or say "I know I fucked up I'll change I promise" or say "cause of pending trial I'm not at liberty to comment the allegations", anything is better than just not saying anything then deleting all your socials and going under a rock for 3 years and then come back as if people will probably just have forgot about it.
As of right now(and for the last few years) the only available info is the info against him and thats of his chosing so...
Either way however you feel about rapids case(or casting), BSL as an organisation publically said they'd not work with the guy and made a big announcement about it and now here he was in the BSL official celebration of 25 years of Starcraft, whatever you feel about rapid directly, its unquestionable that without any type of announcement or something to justify it in advance its questionable behaviour from BSL as an organisation
On December 11 2023 15:56 prosatan wrote: maybe rapid can cast some games when we celebrate 26 years of starcraft
i see what you did there ;>
I read those threads, half of them have been deleted, big part is just some unverifiable text, one of them is someone who has been having sex with him for years, some of them are related to other individuals who are not named. Is this the evidence?
I also agree that he should stand up for himself if the accusations are not true, my guess is he was bracing for legal action. He doesnt need to be proving innocent until he is proven guilty, which hasn't happened. Regardless of it, he would still be condemned because whiteknightism in industry dominated by awkward men is still strong.
Regarding BSL, well. The guy paid for the trip and turned up in Thailand, which is more than all of the posters here did. BSL had to do what every institution does in the original case, same as in general of pop culture, reduce damage. Since nothing has been still proven since, I think it is fair to say that public exclusion caused by mob is a fair punishment. I don't see why BSL owns any explanations if there is no guilt proven, but only individual feelings.
You forget the tiny little detail that he was banned from BSL in a very public manner, and now he's there without having been unbanned. It doesn't matter if he paid for it. Hell it doesn't even matter why the ban was issued. This is gross incompetence by BSL as a tournament.
You think anybody banned from any tournament can just come back if they pay a trip to wherever? That's hilarious.
I can guarantee you if ASL had a similar setup, and Ss1nz tried to pay for it, they d still kick him out (deliberately picked a case that has no legal action, just account sharing).
Ignoring the reason for the ban, do you agree with my view from a tournament organization standpoint?
If you agree, would you then also agree that IF BSL had decided to let him be there, there should have been at a minimum some sort of unbanning announcement. It could have been a one liner. The lack of any communication from BSL AND Rapid on such a high profile case is the main beef people have here. Regardless of how you feel about the accusations and whether they are well founded or not.
Surely we can separate the debate between the accusations and the tournament side of the ban. You could have made all the points when bsl issued the ban, but as soon as it was done, it became irrelevant. There is no whiteknighting in this. You could replace the accusations with maphacking for the concept of it. Can you at least recognize that as a valid concern? Or should we just open the gate and ditch banlists, afterall if rapid is back, why not mafius (or whoever s currently banned from BSL)?
Or are you gonna be like Radley, ignore that point entirely and go on some weird tangent? I haven't seen anyone counter argue my point so far, only weak deflection attempts.
Based on a recent example, isn't that exactly Bisu in ASL? Who was literally caught cryptoscamming with proof and played last season? Unless that is somehow different, I have not seen any formal representation about this.
I can absolutely separate those two things, glad we are doing it since the entire case is so shady. I made all these arguments earlier as well, but not posted them here, as I didn't think bw community is as dull as the general public and that it will be taken so far.
I think the main point is here that banlists are issued by the organiser, and can change without any duty to issue a public statement. Maybe you are right there should have been a courtesy announcement, maybe not. What good would that do than to cause a pre-event shitstorm and having the same people posting here? Except a couple of reasonable individuals like you, would that be worth it?
I am unsure what is better for the tournament itself.
You do have a duty to publically announce change to your banlist yes, there are several ways such as : Mafius is banned till 2030, or ArtOfYahel is banned until bwcl s56. Or in cases like rapid where there were no timeline, then you need to unban them first. Would there be push backs? Absolutely but then it s the tournament admin decision following the normal process. People can disagree with the decision (and would, for sure), but the process and the integrity of the rules are maintained.
Doing it stealthily like this undermines the whole system, it sets a horrible precedent not just for BSL but for the entire scene. This is the reason why in this thread every single foreign tournament organiser besides ZZZero is heavily against the decision.
The consequences of this going unaddressed will be cutting adrift bsl and all their decisions from the rest of the community, this includes banlists, shared admin resources, shared rules updates etc. Now maybe ZZZero doesn't care and it s his right but you can see why it rattles the rest of us. On a personal point I think it s a strange hill to die on for ZZZero and risk tainting all his hard work for the scene, it baffles me.
Glad we agree on this and thanks for a measured reply.
Edit: for Bisu afaik he wasn't banned from ASL. So it s not the same. You could argue he should have been, same as you could argue whether rapid should have been 3 years ago. But once a ban is in place there is a process to follow to revoke it.
Without diving into the matter here, I would like to correct a fact that Bisu was never caught with cryptoscamming (let alone "literally") and was never banned from anything, and also never should have been banned from anything lol.
All he did was invest into a dodgy coin then lie about doing it to his fans. Even so, he had to do a public apology on stream before coming back. It's like, the two things are not even remotely close lol.
Wow.. just wow.. we have a saying in Sweden wich is “Snacka om att skjuta sig själva i foten” wich translates to ”Talk about shooting yourself in your own foot”.
This is a really sad day for the entire foreign starcraft brood war scene.
I met Rapid in Moscow my first trip there. Nice guy and warm guy. But you never know the dark side of a person and in this case the sheep turned into a wolf.
The first thing that comes to my mind is Rapid being in Thailand. It’s almost stupid obvious if you are a sexual predator and want to keep being an assface, you go to Thailand. Not only does men exploit women there every minute of the day, but it’s also a known fact that they use childrens as well for their sexual abuse.
Second, I had the stream on every day, but without sound so I didn’t notice this (until point three). But why? We have all these cases of men using their power to abuse women both irl and online. In the gaming world the whole situation at Blizzard. As organizers ZZZero and Rus_Brain I just don’t know what you were thinking. It’s such a big misstep. ZZZero, you want to live on organizing BSL and the community ships in thousands of dollars to support and Rapid is what they get in the end? Even if he bought his own ticket to Thailand, and even if he is casting for free, this just puts such a dark cloud over the entire season, tournaments and BSL as an organization. I for one can’t keep supporting this. This goes against what I stand for. But I hope the rest of the community is more forgiving, so you can keep BSL alive.
Thirdly, I didn’t notice this until I logged onto Instagram this morning and swiped through Rus_Brains instastory. And I was shocked. Here’s a guy that has been accused and most likely is guilty (according to the evidence provided by various victims) and he’s in the center of every picture. Partying with the top of the foreign SC elite. Having dinner, drinking beer, laughing, doing high fives. And most players and organizers in these videos are treating him like nothing has ever happened. Like he’s a good guy and a friend. My respect for some of these players just went down the drain, for the rest I feel sorry that you were put in this situation with this person without any knowledge, a long way from home. My original plan was to go with the iRk players to Thailand to show support, but now I feel relieved and glad that I didn’t. I would not have felt comfortable with being around Rapid. Even if he just sent a dickpic to one girl without her consent, it’s still such a f’d up thing to do that I wouldn’t want to be around such a person.
I don’t offer much to the community nowdays since I retire from most of my duties. But I still watch a lot of BSL and other casts on a daily basis. But this is not what I thought foreign brood war would turn into for 2024.
On December 12 2023 00:32 TMNT wrote: Without diving into the matter here, I would like to correct a fact that Bisu was never caught with cryptoscamming (let alone "literally") and was never banned from anything, and also never should have been banned from anything lol.
All he did was invest into a dodgy coin then lie about doing it to his fans. Even so, he had to do a public apology on stream before coming back. It's like, the two things are not even remotely close lol.
Didn’t he get his coins for free then promote it to his fans as a pump and dump scam where they were buying the worthless coin from him at inflated prices?
Do I understand the matter correctly? If a guy grabbed girls at parties and talked about it on the Internet, you would think he was a nice lover, but if he tried to do it on the Internet, is he a degenerate?
On December 12 2023 01:03 kicek18 wrote: Do I understand the matter correctly? If a guy grabbed girls at parties and talked about it on the Internet, you would think he was a nice lover, but if he tried to do it on the Internet, is he a degenerate?
You do not, perhaps you should learn to read better. But since i m generous here it is: The issue is someone very publically banned got invited back with no reason and no announcement while still being technically banned.
On December 12 2023 00:32 TMNT wrote: Without diving into the matter here, I would like to correct a fact that Bisu was never caught with cryptoscamming (let alone "literally") and was never banned from anything, and also never should have been banned from anything lol.
All he did was invest into a dodgy coin then lie about doing it to his fans. Even so, he had to do a public apology on stream before coming back. It's like, the two things are not even remotely close lol.
Didn’t he get his coins for free then promote it to his fans as a pump and dump scam where they were buying the worthless coin from him at inflated prices?
It’s theft with some middle steps.
No it was Flash who "promoted" the coin on his stream (I put it in " " because it can be argued that he didn't actually promote the coin).
In a way you can say Flash promoted the coin to Bisu Sea and some others, or you can say they are Flash's co-investors. But the main point is Bisu Sea etc. never advertised the coin to anyone. And no one bought the coin because it was stopped before its release.
On December 12 2023 01:03 kicek18 wrote: Do I understand the matter correctly? If a guy grabbed girls at parties and talked about it on the Internet, you would think he was a nice lover, but if he tried to do it on the Internet, is he a degenerate?
You do not, perhaps you should learn to read better. But since i m generous here it is: The issue is someone very publically banned got invited back with no reason and no announcement while still being technically banned.
You're making a drama because someone wanted to hit on someone because they had access to the Internet. Each of us can be accused of such things, each of us has probably tried to pick up someone on the Internet more than once. And now the most important 2 things. First. He didn't have to explain these accusations to just any strangers on the Internet. This is his private matter. Second. Moralizing and passing judgments knowing only some arguments on one side is inappropriate.
On December 12 2023 01:03 kicek18 wrote: Do I understand the matter correctly? If a guy grabbed girls at parties and talked about it on the Internet, you would think he was a nice lover, but if he tried to do it on the Internet, is he a degenerate?
You do not, perhaps you should learn to read better. But since i m generous here it is: The issue is someone very publically banned got invited back with no reason and no announcement while still being technically banned.
You're making a drama because someone wanted to hit on someone because they had access to the Internet. Each of us can be accused of such things, each of us has probably tried to pick up someone on the Internet more than once. And now the most important 2 things. First. He didn't have to explain these accusations to just any strangers on the Internet. This is his private matter. Second. Moralizing and passing judgments knowing only some arguments on one side is inappropriate.
Imagine telling on yourself like this.
Also you’ve discovered the perfect defence to any charge.
1. I don’t have to explain my side to you. 2. You can’t pass any judgment knowing just their side.
Legal profession stunned by this cool new law hack discovered by a local housewife. Dentists hate her!
On December 12 2023 01:03 kicek18 wrote: Do I understand the matter correctly? If a guy grabbed girls at parties and talked about it on the Internet, you would think he was a nice lover, but if he tried to do it on the Internet, is he a degenerate?
You do not, perhaps you should learn to read better. But since i m generous here it is: The issue is someone very publically banned got invited back with no reason and no announcement while still being technically banned.
You're making a drama because someone wanted to hit on someone because they had access to the Internet. Each of us can be accused of such things, each of us has probably tried to pick up someone on the Internet more than once. And now the most important 2 things. First. He didn't have to explain these accusations to just any strangers on the Internet. This is his private matter. Second. Moralizing and passing judgments knowing only some arguments on one side is inappropriate.
It is amazing you still can't read. I don't think I can do much more for you but here: Person banned from competition joins said competition.
But maybe this is still too advanced for your sorry brain?
Me banned, me cant participate
Is this enough? Or do you want me to do a drawing on a cave perhaps?
Rapid failing to give any kind of apology makes this a pretty easy "fuck rapid" situation. You don't just leave, say nothing on the way out, and come back like nothing ever happened. You need to demonstrate change and have warranted some kind of forgiveness. He's done none of that, which makes me think that he hasn't learned anything and doesn't care either. It's really not that hard, apologize, say that you're working on changing, demonstrate how you've changed, and after the years, we'd likely give you another chance.
Unfortunately for him, the fact that he didn't do any of that when he first left 3 years ago means that his chance is gone. Even if he were to do all of that now, today, he wouldn't be welcomed back if he comes back again in 3 years.
On December 11 2023 19:27 ShadPro wrote: Has there ever been any hard evidence on both validity of those claims and age of the supposed victims? Have we seen records of conversations that lead to those moments? If so, why is anyone trying to play the police here, and why this is not an actual police or legal case? Is it because it wouldn't hold? Perhaps Rapid should have issued a statement, or perhaps he didn't want to fight windmills and wrestle with leftist mob who wanted to crucify him - would anything he could have said really satisfy anyone?
Radley's other acc? ^_._^
Legal things are between victims and accused. There are many reasons why victims do not pursue legal actions. If you were actually interested in the topic there's plenty of things you can read out there:
All of that aside this is about BSL integrity and the community as a whole. Do we condone that behavior or not?
Personally I would have been satisfied IF back when the first accusation came out he issued an apology to those harmed and vowed to change his ways. (Or if there were legal actions you say you can't address anything until that is over and when it is you issue your apology). Instead what have is public silence to this day...
Speaking of Crucifixion... I associate it in my mind with the Roman Empire first and foremost. A very well known left wing institution... (that's sarcasm if any1 is wondering) ^_._^
This is some very incoherent mumbling, even though you are trying. Why are you bringing up reasons for not reporting rape in a discussion about a kid flirting and sending dic picks online whilst all the victims have actually publicly reported it under the real credentials? It was neither rape (nor there is still any tangible proof of it) nor was it not reported - on the contrary. It was discussed in public on multiple occasions. How is any of your arguments relevant?
Of course I wouldn't accept rape if it was legal, believe it or not, sexual abuse, online or not, is not legal either.
So to sum up, we agreed that these actions are not legal or moral, but also agree that we are past any barriers of not talking about them openly. However, the case still hasn't been legally pursued. There could be a few reasons, the most likely one is that there isn't sufficient evidence.
Your words provoked many thoughts in my brain. I am no lawyer or the police. So please try to keep up.
I am so glad we agree on the basic things. I hope you genuinely believe that and not just saying it. Now let's proceed.
First of all you dodged my question if you are Radley on a different account? Interesting. I can understand wanting to keep anonymity with a hot take like his. ^_._^
Second. If I am white knighting for the women that are not in this community (and I would never want to bother with questions about this 3 years later) what the fuck are you doing? Rapid knighting? Black knighting? Someone posted this on Urban Dictionary and it hits a bit too close to home in your case:
"The act of showing a very cynical or chauvinistic attitude about women online to try to look "alpha". Black knights are often guys who are disillusioned as a result of formerly trying to be white knights just to get women to like them, and are now going in the opposite extreme thinking that women love jerks. Usually however they just come across as posers or internet tough guys."
Third. The tangible proof besides what was present is that the man himself has been hiding under a rock for 3 years. No word about it publicly to this day to the best of my knowledge.
What has changed in 3 years? If someone publicly accuses you of something you may have to deal with it publicly at some point. Yourself.
Fourth. You figure Rapid would do the same thing if the situations were reversed and you were accused of something and you left all BW Discords (not banned afaIk) and the public sphere? I wonder.
Fifth. Radley has not answered me yet, but maybe you way. High pathetically (you follow?) say Rapid was your personal friend. Something like this comes up. Would you let him babysit your underage sister, niece and/or cousin? A thought experiment... Sixth. Rus_Brain on today's stream said something along the lines of "We tried to invite sAviOr but other Korean pros wouldn't have it. He is tough to get a hold of anyway." I think he was being serious there and sorry if I don't have the exact quote. Personally I would much rather have had sAviOr in.
Se7enth I hope Rapid not casting on Day 2 and Day 3 was a conscious decision on someone's part. I hope he cares somewhat and improves himself, I hope people coming to his defense in this case have all the best intentions in their minds and hearts, I hope we can all do better. It's not a high bar!
there's been some talk in this thread about giving a guy a 3rd chance, the idea being something along the lines of "if we exclude a person who did bad things, we will lose a community member and the community will therefore be worse off"
but basic fact is: he did these things *to other people in the same community*. him being in the community pushes other people out. first, the people he did these things to. second, people who have been treated similarly by others. and third, people who simply don't want to support an event that would allow him to commentate, as evidenced by here, the tourneys thread, or the reddit thread.
On December 12 2023 01:03 kicek18 wrote: Do I understand the matter correctly? If a guy grabbed girls at parties and talked about it on the Internet, you would think he was a nice lover, but if he tried to do it on the Internet, is he a degenerate?
You do not, perhaps you should learn to read better. But since i m generous here it is: The issue is someone very publically banned got invited back with no reason and no announcement while still being technically banned.
You're making a drama because someone wanted to hit on someone because they had access to the Internet. Each of us can be accused of such things, each of us has probably tried to pick up someone on the Internet more than once. And now the most important 2 things. First. He didn't have to explain these accusations to just any strangers on the Internet. This is his private matter. Second. Moralizing and passing judgments knowing only some arguments on one side is inappropriate.
Imagine telling on yourself like this.
Also you’ve discovered the perfect defence to any charge.
1. I don’t have to explain my side to you. 2. You can’t pass any judgment knowing just their side.
Legal profession stunned by this cool new law hack discovered by a local housewife. Dentists hate her!
On December 11 2023 19:27 ShadPro wrote: Has there ever been any hard evidence on both validity of those claims and age of the supposed victims? Have we seen records of conversations that lead to those moments? If so, why is anyone trying to play the police here, and why this is not an actual police or legal case? Is it because it wouldn't hold? Perhaps Rapid should have issued a statement, or perhaps he didn't want to fight windmills and wrestle with leftist mob who wanted to crucify him - would anything he could have said really satisfy anyone?
Radley's other acc? ^_._^
Legal things are between victims and accused. There are many reasons why victims do not pursue legal actions. If you were actually interested in the topic there's plenty of things you can read out there:
All of that aside this is about BSL integrity and the community as a whole. Do we condone that behavior or not?
Personally I would have been satisfied IF back when the first accusation came out he issued an apology to those harmed and vowed to change his ways. (Or if there were legal actions you say you can't address anything until that is over and when it is you issue your apology). Instead what have is public silence to this day...
Speaking of Crucifixion... I associate it in my mind with the Roman Empire first and foremost. A very well known left wing institution... (that's sarcasm if any1 is wondering) ^_._^
This is some very incoherent mumbling, even though you are trying. Why are you bringing up reasons for not reporting rape in a discussion about a kid flirting and sending dic picks online whilst all the victims have actually publicly reported it under the real credentials? It was neither rape (nor there is still any tangible proof of it) nor was it not reported - on the contrary. It was discussed in public on multiple occasions. How is any of your arguments relevant?
Of course I wouldn't accept rape if it was legal, believe it or not, sexual abuse, online or not, is not legal either.
So to sum up, we agreed that these actions are not legal or moral, but also agree that we are past any barriers of not talking about them openly. However, the case still hasn't been legally pursued. There could be a few reasons, the most likely one is that there isn't sufficient evidence.
Your words provoked many thoughts in my brain. I am no lawyer or the police. So please try to keep up.
I am so glad we agree on the basic things. I hope you genuinely believe that and not just saying it. Now let's proceed.
First of all you dodged my question if you are Radley on a different account? Interesting. I can understand wanting to keep anonymity with a hot take like his. ^_._^
Second. If I am white knighting for the women that are not in this community (and I would never want to bother with questions about this 3 years later) what the fuck are you doing? Rapid knighting? Black knighting? Someone posted this on Urban Dictionary and it hits a bit too close to home in your case:
"The act of showing a very cynical or chauvinistic attitude about women online to try to look "alpha". Black knights are often guys who are disillusioned as a result of formerly trying to be white knights just to get women to like them, and are now going in the opposite extreme thinking that women love jerks. Usually however they just come across as posers or internet tough guys."
Third. The tangible proof besides what was present is that the man himself has been hiding under a rock for 3 years. No word about it publicly to this day to the best of my knowledge.
What has changed in 3 years? If someone publicly accuses you of something you may have to deal with it publicly at some point. Yourself.
Fourth. You figure Rapid would do the same thing if the situations were reversed and you were accused of something and you left all BW Discords (not banned afaIk) and the public sphere? I wonder.
Fifth. Radley has not answered me yet, but maybe you way. High pathetically (you follow?) say Rapid was your personal friend. Something like this comes up. Would you let him babysit your underage sister, niece and/or cousin? A thought experiment... Sixth. Rus_Brain on today's stream said something along the lines of "We tried to invite sAviOr but other Korean pros wouldn't have it. He is tough to get a hold of anyway." I think he was being serious there and sorry if I don't have the exact quote. Personally I would much rather have had sAviOr in.
Se7enth I hope Rapid not casting on Day 2 and Day 3 was a conscious decision on someone's part. I hope he cares somewhat and improves himself, I hope people coming to his defense in this case have all the best intentions in their minds and hearts, I hope we can all do better. It's not a high bar!
Very long text with still not a single argument on why you agree to cast out someone based on hearsay and stories. If you like using these completely unrelated real life examples - would you convict someone to a jail sentence based on witness testimony or a screenshot? I think that already didn't hold in court on multiple occasions in the last couple of years.
1. Am I Radley? Who are you? 2. I said nothing about women in any of these posts, did I? On the contrary, I am just talking about the likes of you, who like to put themselves on a moral pedestal and cast judgement without any evidence. If you can protect a lady, animal, or a socially acceptable cause, that's a job well done. You should watch a film called "The Hunt" 3. How is he not fighting your little forum war with you a piece of evidence. Do you understand what I just typed above multiple times, that someone's opinion is not evidence? 4. I hope he would, I would certainly not try to come back to such a community though. If someone I know cast me out based something like this, they are not really worth the time. 5. Same as above - if they were a sex offender, certainly not. Is he one in your example? 6. I wouldn't, he was proven guilty. Plus that sounds like a joke comparing the power of you affecting decisions, same as other pros have nothing to do with inviting savior. 7. Looks like a deliberate move, you are successful
On December 12 2023 01:03 kicek18 wrote: Do I understand the matter correctly? If a guy grabbed girls at parties and talked about it on the Internet, you would think he was a nice lover, but if he tried to do it on the Internet, is he a degenerate?
You do not, perhaps you should learn to read better. But since i m generous here it is: The issue is someone very publically banned got invited back with no reason and no announcement while still being technically banned.
You're making a drama because someone wanted to hit on someone because they had access to the Internet. Each of us can be accused of such things, each of us has probably tried to pick up someone on the Internet more than once. And now the most important 2 things. First. He didn't have to explain these accusations to just any strangers on the Internet. This is his private matter. Second. Moralizing and passing judgments knowing only some arguments on one side is inappropriate.
It is amazing you still can't read. I don't think I can do much more for you but here: Person banned from competition joins said competition.
But maybe this is still too advanced for your sorry brain?
Me banned, me cant participate
Is this enough? Or do you want me to do a drawing on a cave perhaps?
The actual crazy part is how this account has only ever posted in this thread.
On December 11 2023 19:27 ShadPro wrote: Has there ever been any hard evidence on both validity of those claims and age of the supposed victims? Have we seen records of conversations that lead to those moments? If so, why is anyone trying to play the police here, and why this is not an actual police or legal case? Is it because it wouldn't hold? Perhaps Rapid should have issued a statement, or perhaps he didn't want to fight windmills and wrestle with leftist mob who wanted to crucify him - would anything he could have said really satisfy anyone?
Radley's other acc? ^_._^
Legal things are between victims and accused. There are many reasons why victims do not pursue legal actions. If you were actually interested in the topic there's plenty of things you can read out there:
All of that aside this is about BSL integrity and the community as a whole. Do we condone that behavior or not?
Personally I would have been satisfied IF back when the first accusation came out he issued an apology to those harmed and vowed to change his ways. (Or if there were legal actions you say you can't address anything until that is over and when it is you issue your apology). Instead what have is public silence to this day...
Speaking of Crucifixion... I associate it in my mind with the Roman Empire first and foremost. A very well known left wing institution... (that's sarcasm if any1 is wondering) ^_._^
This is some very incoherent mumbling, even though you are trying. Why are you bringing up reasons for not reporting rape in a discussion about a kid flirting and sending dic picks online whilst all the victims have actually publicly reported it under the real credentials? It was neither rape (nor there is still any tangible proof of it) nor was it not reported - on the contrary. It was discussed in public on multiple occasions. How is any of your arguments relevant?
Of course I wouldn't accept rape if it was legal, believe it or not, sexual abuse, online or not, is not legal either.
So to sum up, we agreed that these actions are not legal or moral, but also agree that we are past any barriers of not talking about them openly. However, the case still hasn't been legally pursued. There could be a few reasons, the most likely one is that there isn't sufficient evidence.
Your words provoked many thoughts in my brain. I am no lawyer or the police. So please try to keep up.
I am so glad we agree on the basic things. I hope you genuinely believe that and not just saying it. Now let's proceed.
First of all you dodged my question if you are Radley on a different account? Interesting. I can understand wanting to keep anonymity with a hot take like his. ^_._^
Second. If I am white knighting for the women that are not in this community (and I would never want to bother with questions about this 3 years later) what the fuck are you doing? Rapid knighting? Black knighting? Someone posted this on Urban Dictionary and it hits a bit too close to home in your case:
"The act of showing a very cynical or chauvinistic attitude about women online to try to look "alpha". Black knights are often guys who are disillusioned as a result of formerly trying to be white knights just to get women to like them, and are now going in the opposite extreme thinking that women love jerks. Usually however they just come across as posers or internet tough guys."
Third. The tangible proof besides what was present is that the man himself has been hiding under a rock for 3 years. No word about it publicly to this day to the best of my knowledge.
What has changed in 3 years? If someone publicly accuses you of something you may have to deal with it publicly at some point. Yourself.
Fourth. You figure Rapid would do the same thing if the situations were reversed and you were accused of something and you left all BW Discords (not banned afaIk) and the public sphere? I wonder.
Fifth. Radley has not answered me yet, but maybe you way. High pathetically (you follow?) say Rapid was your personal friend. Something like this comes up. Would you let him babysit your underage sister, niece and/or cousin? A thought experiment... Sixth. Rus_Brain on today's stream said something along the lines of "We tried to invite sAviOr but other Korean pros wouldn't have it. He is tough to get a hold of anyway." I think he was being serious there and sorry if I don't have the exact quote. Personally I would much rather have had sAviOr in.
Se7enth I hope Rapid not casting on Day 2 and Day 3 was a conscious decision on someone's part. I hope he cares somewhat and improves himself, I hope people coming to his defense in this case have all the best intentions in their minds and hearts, I hope we can all do better. It's not a high bar!
Very long text with still not a single argument on why you agree to cast out someone based on hearsay and stories. If you like using these completely unrelated real life examples - would you convict someone to a jail sentence based on witness testimony or a screenshot? I think that already didn't hold in court on multiple occasions in the last couple of years.
1. Am I Radley? Who are you? 2. I said nothing about women in any of these posts, did I? On the contrary, I am just talking about the likes of you, who like to put themselves on a moral pedestal and cast judgement without any evidence. If you can protect a lady, animal, or a socially acceptable cause, that's a job well done. You should watch a film called "The Hunt" 3. How is he not fighting your little forum war with you a piece of evidence. Do you understand what I just typed above multiple times, that someone's opinion is not evidence? 4. I hope he would, I would certainly not try to come back to such a community though. If someone I know cast me out based something like this, they are not really worth the time. 5. Same as above - if they were a sex offender, certainly not. Is he one in your example? 6. I wouldn't, he was proven guilty. Plus that sounds like a joke comparing the power of you affecting decisions, same as other pros have nothing to do with inviting savior. 7. Looks like a deliberate move, you are successful
1. I was curious, we've established you are your own person. I am my own person too. 2. You mentioned white knighting (which as I know it implies I'm defending women at all cost for some personal gain... or if you are implying something else pls clarify). 3. So someone's (multiple people in this case) opinion is not evidence you say. BUT going silent for 3 years is evidence of no wrong doing? Why do you assume 1 person's silence is better than multiple people speaking out? 4. Good for you. Why are you here now if you actually think this is a witch hunt or crucifixion or whatever else? I would hope and expect the response is the same no matter what member of the community is in that position, acted the same way in the same situation. 5. Yes. Say your friend Rapid (to be best of your knowledge not registered sex offender or anything proven in court just the evidence as we have em, unaddressed publicly) comes to your home you let him babysit minors? 6. If some1 said to me before BLS: you think we should bring back Rapid? Haven't heard of the guy in 3 years, unresolved issues, what do you think? I would have taken that as a joke... But the way I understand it is hard to get a hold of sAviOr directly so maybe it had to go through someone how may know his contacts etc... I don't know.
sAviOr has apologized publicly for one. For two I think sexual misconduct is more important issue than cheating. Personal opinion.
7. I didn't accidentally make the post you are correct. I don't know if you bothered to actually read my original post. I'm asking things I wonder about. Things not addressed to this day. To quote myself "I genuinely believe we should always hear all sides of a story." I'm pretty sure if I didn't make this post someone else would have. I am glad we are discussing this. I hope it has been and remains to be a good faith discussion on the topic.
On December 11 2023 19:27 ShadPro wrote: Has there ever been any hard evidence on both validity of those claims and age of the supposed victims? Have we seen records of conversations that lead to those moments? If so, why is anyone trying to play the police here, and why this is not an actual police or legal case? Is it because it wouldn't hold? Perhaps Rapid should have issued a statement, or perhaps he didn't want to fight windmills and wrestle with leftist mob who wanted to crucify him - would anything he could have said really satisfy anyone?
Radley's other acc? ^_._^
Legal things are between victims and accused. There are many reasons why victims do not pursue legal actions. If you were actually interested in the topic there's plenty of things you can read out there:
All of that aside this is about BSL integrity and the community as a whole. Do we condone that behavior or not?
Personally I would have been satisfied IF back when the first accusation came out he issued an apology to those harmed and vowed to change his ways. (Or if there were legal actions you say you can't address anything until that is over and when it is you issue your apology). Instead what have is public silence to this day...
Speaking of Crucifixion... I associate it in my mind with the Roman Empire first and foremost. A very well known left wing institution... (that's sarcasm if any1 is wondering) ^_._^
This is some very incoherent mumbling, even though you are trying. Why are you bringing up reasons for not reporting rape in a discussion about a kid flirting and sending dic picks online whilst all the victims have actually publicly reported it under the real credentials? It was neither rape (nor there is still any tangible proof of it) nor was it not reported - on the contrary. It was discussed in public on multiple occasions. How is any of your arguments relevant?
Of course I wouldn't accept rape if it was legal, believe it or not, sexual abuse, online or not, is not legal either.
So to sum up, we agreed that these actions are not legal or moral, but also agree that we are past any barriers of not talking about them openly. However, the case still hasn't been legally pursued. There could be a few reasons, the most likely one is that there isn't sufficient evidence.
Your words provoked many thoughts in my brain. I am no lawyer or the police. So please try to keep up.
I am so glad we agree on the basic things. I hope you genuinely believe that and not just saying it. Now let's proceed.
First of all you dodged my question if you are Radley on a different account? Interesting. I can understand wanting to keep anonymity with a hot take like his. ^_._^
Second. If I am white knighting for the women that are not in this community (and I would never want to bother with questions about this 3 years later) what the fuck are you doing? Rapid knighting? Black knighting? Someone posted this on Urban Dictionary and it hits a bit too close to home in your case:
"The act of showing a very cynical or chauvinistic attitude about women online to try to look "alpha". Black knights are often guys who are disillusioned as a result of formerly trying to be white knights just to get women to like them, and are now going in the opposite extreme thinking that women love jerks. Usually however they just come across as posers or internet tough guys."
Third. The tangible proof besides what was present is that the man himself has been hiding under a rock for 3 years. No word about it publicly to this day to the best of my knowledge.
What has changed in 3 years? If someone publicly accuses you of something you may have to deal with it publicly at some point. Yourself.
Fourth. You figure Rapid would do the same thing if the situations were reversed and you were accused of something and you left all BW Discords (not banned afaIk) and the public sphere? I wonder.
Fifth. Radley has not answered me yet, but maybe you way. High pathetically (you follow?) say Rapid was your personal friend. Something like this comes up. Would you let him babysit your underage sister, niece and/or cousin? A thought experiment... Sixth. Rus_Brain on today's stream said something along the lines of "We tried to invite sAviOr but other Korean pros wouldn't have it. He is tough to get a hold of anyway." I think he was being serious there and sorry if I don't have the exact quote. Personally I would much rather have had sAviOr in.
Se7enth I hope Rapid not casting on Day 2 and Day 3 was a conscious decision on someone's part. I hope he cares somewhat and improves himself, I hope people coming to his defense in this case have all the best intentions in their minds and hearts, I hope we can all do better. It's not a high bar!
Very long text with still not a single argument on why you agree to cast out someone based on hearsay and stories. If you like using these completely unrelated real life examples - would you convict someone to a jail sentence based on witness testimony or a screenshot? I think that already didn't hold in court on multiple occasions in the last couple of years.
1. Am I Radley? Who are you? 2. I said nothing about women in any of these posts, did I? On the contrary, I am just talking about the likes of you, who like to put themselves on a moral pedestal and cast judgement without any evidence. If you can protect a lady, animal, or a socially acceptable cause, that's a job well done. You should watch a film called "The Hunt" 3. How is he not fighting your little forum war with you a piece of evidence. Do you understand what I just typed above multiple times, that someone's opinion is not evidence? 4. I hope he would, I would certainly not try to come back to such a community though. If someone I know cast me out based something like this, they are not really worth the time. 5. Same as above - if they were a sex offender, certainly not. Is he one in your example? 6. I wouldn't, he was proven guilty. Plus that sounds like a joke comparing the power of you affecting decisions, same as other pros have nothing to do with inviting savior. 7. Looks like a deliberate move, you are successful
First off, this isn't a court of law. This is the court of public perception, thus the standards of evidence are much lower. Second, you also realize that even in the courts of law, plenty of people get convicted without evidence beyond a reasonable doubt, and vise versa, plenty of people are let free even if there is enough evidence. Juries are fickle, judges are corrupt. There are also times where just because there is not enough "evidence" to convict someone, doesn't mean that they also didn't do it. It just might happen to be that the evidence cannot be readily found or something occurred during the process that tainted the evidence and thus it is no longer admissible.
You're acting like this is a court room and that we must rise to criminal law burden of proof in order to cast conviction on Rapid. We don't. That is not a requirement in the social sphere. There are no legal standards here. Even if I wanted to make an analogy, the social judgment passed on someone is closer to that of a preponderance of the evidence, not beyond a reasonable doubt.
And not everything is simply hearsay or an opinion. There is evidence of Rapid's DMs, and evidence of his previous issues in the League of Legends community and subsequently the Starcraft community. This most definitely rises above a preponderance of the evidence standard. Merely because you might not like the evidence, doesn't mean that such evidence does not exist.
To castleMG, fearthqueen, lucky_noob and probably more. Maybe I used misleading meaning for word weirdos, even though I clarified it. I consider you being weirdos too, because you are playing judge even though you state that there was no explanation provided, which is cringe as hell to me and apparently to the most community in Poland. You're brain had been eaten by new world trends, which are probably forced to brainwash every "lesser" being. That's why you probably not gonna think over it, but whatever, my lost. I don't care about your opinion about me at all, so safe your words. Btw. for more correct understanding of weirdos, does for example fondness to manga girls considered weirdo in america, or maybe not? If so and I wanted to, I could give couple of streamer names, just need to log on Twitch during american streaming time to make a list, rotfl. So no, even that would not be based on one man example. Also castleMG, I wrote it many times, but as of Canadian players, I knew around 20-30 players from there and could get well only with one in all my 20 years starcraft history. And he was Japanese. So yeah, maybe I do generalize, but I really don't care. As for Rapid going silent, we even have old saying in Poland: "only guilty makes explanations". Not many public people go with any official statements, instead just going to court, whether as defending or attacking side in case of false accusations. As I read somewhere else, he supposedly clarified case offline. That's probably why he casted. Whatever that means. For me he was and still is good caster, even though lacking game knowledge he is great when cocasting with someone with good knowledge. If he is not in jail, I prefer him to cast than someone who half-speak english or is just bad caster. I just hope those 10 women watching SCR stream will lookout for private conversations just in case. That's all. Maybe brutal for you but truth.
On December 12 2023 05:47 radley wrote: To castleMG, fearthqueen, lucky_noob and probably more. Maybe I used misleading meaning for word weirdos, even though I clarified it. I consider you being weirdos too, because you are playing judge even though you state that there was no explanation provided, which is cringe as hell to me and apparently to the most community in Poland. You're brain had been eaten by new world trends, which are probably forced to brainwash every "lesser" being. That's why you probably not gonna think over it, but whatever, my lost. I don't care about your opinion about me at all, so safe your words. Btw. for more correct understanding of weirdos, does for example fondness to manga girls considered weirdo in america, or maybe not? If so and I wanted to, I could give couple of streamer names, just need to log on Twitch during american streaming time to make a list, rotfl. So no, even that would not be based on one man example. Also castleMG, I wrote it many times, but as of Canadian players, I knew around 20-30 players from there and could get well only with one in all my 20 years starcraft history. And he was Japanese. So yeah, maybe I do generalize, but I really don't care. As for Rapid going silent, we even have old saying in Poland: "only guilty makes explanations". Not many public people go with any official statements, instead just going to court, whether as defending or attacking side in case of false accusations. As I read somewhere else, he supposedly clarified case offline. That's probably why he casted. Whatever that means. For me he was and still is good caster, even though lacking game knowledge he is great when cocasting with someone with good knowledge. If he is not in jail, I prefer him to cast than someone who half-speak english or is just bad caster. I just hope those 10 women watching SCR stream will lookout for private conversations just in case. That's all. Maybe brutal for you but truth.
You know BSL as an entity can just leave Rapid to cast. As we've said we are not the law. And there are unfortunately plenty of people like yourself who would excuse way too much apparently. Also a lot of people who don't care either way.
I think the BSL brand will probably go on with or without him casting. Would some people tune out? Sure. Maybe others like yourself would be more attracted to it and make up the difference.
Either way I think if you want to be in the public eye, you address things publicly. Hiding is avoiding discussion, not being brave.
By this old saying you speak of "only guilty makes explanations" I can murder 10 people, remain silent for the rest of my life and that would mean I am not guilty? You don't have to bother responding to this one. It's a rhetorical question. This is not the standard I think we should conduct ourselves by.
I don't think of you as a lesser being. I always have and always will admire your Wraith play. I just think you are wrong on this issue. I think as long as we can engage in discussion we can figure out what's good for the highest amount of people. ^_._^
On December 12 2023 05:47 radley wrote: To castleMG, fearthqueen, lucky_noob and probably more. Maybe I used misleading meaning for word weirdos, even though I clarified it. I consider you being weirdos too, because you are playing judge even though you state that there was no explanation provided, which is cringe as hell to me and apparently to the most community in Poland. You're brain had been eaten by new world trends, which are probably forced to brainwash every "lesser" being. That's why you probably not gonna think over it, but whatever, my lost. I don't care about your opinion about me at all, so safe your words. Btw. for more correct understanding of weirdos, does for example fondness to manga girls considered weirdo in america, or maybe not? If so and I wanted to, I could give couple of streamer names, just need to log on Twitch during american streaming time to make a list, rotfl. So no, even that would not be based on one man example. Also castleMG, I wrote it many times, but as of Canadian players, I knew around 20-30 players from there and could get well only with one in all my 20 years starcraft history. And he was Japanese. So yeah, maybe I do generalize, but I really don't care. As for Rapid going silent, we even have old saying in Poland: "only guilty makes explanations". Not many public people go with any official statements, instead just going to court, whether as defending or attacking side in case of false accusations. As I read somewhere else, he supposedly clarified case offline. That's probably why he casted. Whatever that means. For me he was and still is good caster, even though lacking game knowledge he is great when cocasting with someone with good knowledge. If he is not in jail, I prefer him to cast than someone who half-speak english or is just bad caster. I just hope those 10 women watching SCR stream will lookout for private conversations just in case. That's all. Maybe brutal for you but truth.
You know BSL as an entity can just leave Rapid to cast. As we've said we are not the law. And there are unfortunately plenty of people like yourself who would excuse way too much apparently. Also a lot of people who don't care either way.
I think the BSL brand will probably go on with or without him casting. Would some people tune out? Sure. Maybe others like yourself would be more attracted to it and make up the difference.
Either way I think if you want to be in the public eye, you address things publicly. Hiding is avoiding discussion, not being brave.
By this old saying you speak of "only guilty makes explanations" I can murder 10 people, remain silent for the rest of my life and that would mean I am not guilty? You don't have to bother responding to this one. It's a rhetorical question. This is not the standard I think we should conduct ourselves by.
I don't think of you as a lesser being. I always have and always will admire your Wraith play. I just think you are wrong on this issue. I think as long as we can engage in discussion we can figure out what's good for the highest amount of people. ^_._^
Thanks and likewise. As somewhat veteran in internet trolling I really respect ur tryings. Keep the good work and gl with those murders. I just hope the number you've put is only coincidental with the number of women watching starcraft streams I've written. Cause you know, you may ruin your opinion over here that way, even without strong evidence.
On December 12 2023 05:47 radley wrote: To castleMG, fearthqueen, lucky_noob and probably more. Maybe I used misleading meaning for word weirdos, even though I clarified it. I consider you being weirdos too, because you are playing judge even though you state that there was no explanation provided, which is cringe as hell to me and apparently to the most community in Poland. You're brain had been eaten by new world trends, which are probably forced to brainwash every "lesser" being. That's why you probably not gonna think over it, but whatever, my lost. I don't care about your opinion about me at all, so safe your words. Btw. for more correct understanding of weirdos, does for example fondness to manga girls considered weirdo in america, or maybe not? If so and I wanted to, I could give couple of streamer names, just need to log on Twitch during american streaming time to make a list, rotfl. So no, even that would not be based on one man example. Also castleMG, I wrote it many times, but as of Canadian players, I knew around 20-30 players from there and could get well only with one in all my 20 years starcraft history. And he was Japanese. So yeah, maybe I do generalize, but I really don't care. As for Rapid going silent, we even have old saying in Poland: "only guilty makes explanations". Not many public people go with any official statements, instead just going to court, whether as defending or attacking side in case of false accusations. As I read somewhere else, he supposedly clarified case offline. That's probably why he casted. Whatever that means. For me he was and still is good caster, even though lacking game knowledge he is great when cocasting with someone with good knowledge. If he is not in jail, I prefer him to cast than someone who half-speak english or is just bad caster. I just hope those 10 women watching SCR stream will lookout for private conversations just in case. That's all. Maybe brutal for you but truth.
The Guilty stay silent, and the innocent stay silent. But the bold speak up. If he really wanted to be a character of integrity eventually he would speak up for himself. I can say without any doubt a person who won't stand up for what is right, will fall to their own vices. Still I look at it this way. He is a person who has shown us when he could have spoken out against his accused actions he chose silence and he didn't offer any of the people he hurt an apology. It's just not honorable and just shows a lack of integrity. If he wants to be apart of anything he needs to take those accusations head on.
Saying all westerners are weirdos is like saying all Polish are like Julia, honestly I would think the second is worst lol, but we know none of the both are true. Regarding Rapid there's plenty of evidence, from LoL and from BW, that he did creppy and wrong things, so why do people keep thinking he's been blame for nothing?
On December 12 2023 05:47 radley wrote: To castleMG, fearthqueen, lucky_noob and probably more. Maybe I used misleading meaning for word weirdos, even though I clarified it. I consider you being weirdos too, because you are playing judge even though you state that there was no explanation provided, which is cringe as hell to me and apparently to the most community in Poland. You're brain had been eaten by new world trends, which are probably forced to brainwash every "lesser" being. That's why you probably not gonna think over it, but whatever, my lost. I don't care about your opinion about me at all, so safe your words. Btw. for more correct understanding of weirdos, does for example fondness to manga girls considered weirdo in america, or maybe not? If so and I wanted to, I could give couple of streamer names, just need to log on Twitch during american streaming time to make a list, rotfl. So no, even that would not be based on one man example. Also castleMG, I wrote it many times, but as of Canadian players, I knew around 20-30 players from there and could get well only with one in all my 20 years starcraft history. And he was Japanese. So yeah, maybe I do generalize, but I really don't care. As for Rapid going silent, we even have old saying in Poland: "only guilty makes explanations". Not many public people go with any official statements, instead just going to court, whether as defending or attacking side in case of false accusations. As I read somewhere else, he supposedly clarified case offline. That's probably why he casted. Whatever that means. For me he was and still is good caster, even though lacking game knowledge he is great when cocasting with someone with good knowledge. If he is not in jail, I prefer him to cast than someone who half-speak english or is just bad caster. I just hope those 10 women watching SCR stream will lookout for private conversations just in case. That's all. Maybe brutal for you but truth.
You know BSL as an entity can just leave Rapid to cast. As we've said we are not the law. And there are unfortunately plenty of people like yourself who would excuse way too much apparently. Also a lot of people who don't care either way.
I think the BSL brand will probably go on with or without him casting. Would some people tune out? Sure. Maybe others like yourself would be more attracted to it and make up the difference.
Either way I think if you want to be in the public eye, you address things publicly. Hiding is avoiding discussion, not being brave.
By this old saying you speak of "only guilty makes explanations" I can murder 10 people, remain silent for the rest of my life and that would mean I am not guilty? You don't have to bother responding to this one. It's a rhetorical question. This is not the standard I think we should conduct ourselves by.
I don't think of you as a lesser being. I always have and always will admire your Wraith play. I just think you are wrong on this issue. I think as long as we can engage in discussion we can figure out what's good for the highest amount of people. ^_._^
Thanks and likewise. As somewhat veteran in internet trolling I really respect ur tryings. Keep the good work and gl with those murders. I just hope the number you've put is only coincidental with the number of women watching starcraft streams I've written. Cause you know, you may ruin your opinion over here that way, even without strong evidence.
I hope you were trolling. I'm a veteran in internet trolling myself. I was great at it when I was about 17-19 years old. A long time ago.
Since then it has occurred to me that some people actually believe and want to stand up for fucked up shit.
Everything said stands no matter if 0 women are watching Starcraft. (maybe some correlation there if this is what we present as desirable... food for thought)
On December 12 2023 05:47 radley wrote: To castleMG, fearthqueen, lucky_noob and probably more. Maybe I used misleading meaning for word weirdos, even though I clarified it. I consider you being weirdos too, because you are playing judge even though you state that there was no explanation provided, which is cringe as hell to me and apparently to the most community in Poland. You're brain had been eaten by new world trends, which are probably forced to brainwash every "lesser" being. That's why you probably not gonna think over it, but whatever, my lost. I don't care about your opinion about me at all, so safe your words. Btw. for more correct understanding of weirdos, does for example fondness to manga girls considered weirdo in america, or maybe not? If so and I wanted to, I could give couple of streamer names, just need to log on Twitch during american streaming time to make a list, rotfl. So no, even that would not be based on one man example. Also castleMG, I wrote it many times, but as of Canadian players, I knew around 20-30 players from there and could get well only with one in all my 20 years starcraft history. And he was Japanese. So yeah, maybe I do generalize, but I really don't care. As for Rapid going silent, we even have old saying in Poland: "only guilty makes explanations". Not many public people go with any official statements, instead just going to court, whether as defending or attacking side in case of false accusations. As I read somewhere else, he supposedly clarified case offline. That's probably why he casted. Whatever that means. For me he was and still is good caster, even though lacking game knowledge he is great when cocasting with someone with good knowledge. If he is not in jail, I prefer him to cast than someone who half-speak english or is just bad caster. I just hope those 10 women watching SCR stream will lookout for private conversations just in case. That's all. Maybe brutal for you but truth.
We didn't make any judgement, Zero did by banning him in the first place. Have you not considered anyone's argument in this thread at all? You think you're just going to insult the whole Western hemisphere and no one is going to say anything? Your ability to get along with people might be more of a you problem. LMAO
On December 12 2023 05:47 radley wrote: To castleMG, fearthqueen, lucky_noob and probably more. Maybe I used misleading meaning for word weirdos, even though I clarified it. I consider you being weirdos too, because you are playing judge even though you state that there was no explanation provided, which is cringe as hell to me and apparently to the most community in Poland. You're brain had been eaten by new world trends, which are probably forced to brainwash every "lesser" being. That's why you probably not gonna think over it, but whatever, my lost. I don't care about your opinion about me at all, so safe your words. Btw. for more correct understanding of weirdos, does for example fondness to manga girls considered weirdo in america, or maybe not? If so and I wanted to, I could give couple of streamer names, just need to log on Twitch during american streaming time to make a list, rotfl. So no, even that would not be based on one man example. Also castleMG, I wrote it many times, but as of Canadian players, I knew around 20-30 players from there and could get well only with one in all my 20 years starcraft history. And he was Japanese. So yeah, maybe I do generalize, but I really don't care. As for Rapid going silent, we even have old saying in Poland: "only guilty makes explanations". Not many public people go with any official statements, instead just going to court, whether as defending or attacking side in case of false accusations. As I read somewhere else, he supposedly clarified case offline. That's probably why he casted. Whatever that means. For me he was and still is good caster, even though lacking game knowledge he is great when cocasting with someone with good knowledge. If he is not in jail, I prefer him to cast than someone who half-speak english or is just bad caster. I just hope those 10 women watching SCR stream will lookout for private conversations just in case. That's all. Maybe brutal for you but truth.
You know BSL as an entity can just leave Rapid to cast. As we've said we are not the law. And there are unfortunately plenty of people like yourself who would excuse way too much apparently. Also a lot of people who don't care either way.
I think the BSL brand will probably go on with or without him casting. Would some people tune out? Sure. Maybe others like yourself would be more attracted to it and make up the difference.
Either way I think if you want to be in the public eye, you address things publicly. Hiding is avoiding discussion, not being brave.
By this old saying you speak of "only guilty makes explanations" I can murder 10 people, remain silent for the rest of my life and that would mean I am not guilty? You don't have to bother responding to this one. It's a rhetorical question. This is not the standard I think we should conduct ourselves by.
I don't think of you as a lesser being. I always have and always will admire your Wraith play. I just think you are wrong on this issue. I think as long as we can engage in discussion we can figure out what's good for the highest amount of people. ^_._^
Thanks and likewise. As somewhat veteran in internet trolling I really respect ur tryings. Keep the good work and gl with those murders. I just hope the number you've put is only coincidental with the number of women watching starcraft streams I've written. Cause you know, you may ruin your opinion over here that way, even without strong evidence.
On December 12 2023 05:47 radley wrote: To castleMG, fearthqueen, lucky_noob and probably more. Maybe I used misleading meaning for word weirdos, even though I clarified it. I consider you being weirdos too, because you are playing judge even though you state that there was no explanation provided, which is cringe as hell to me and apparently to the most community in Poland. You're brain had been eaten by new world trends, which are probably forced to brainwash every "lesser" being. That's why you probably not gonna think over it, but whatever, my lost. I don't care about your opinion about me at all, so safe your words. Btw. for more correct understanding of weirdos, does for example fondness to manga girls considered weirdo in america, or maybe not? If so and I wanted to, I could give couple of streamer names, just need to log on Twitch during american streaming time to make a list, rotfl. So no, even that would not be based on one man example. Also castleMG, I wrote it many times, but as of Canadian players, I knew around 20-30 players from there and could get well only with one in all my 20 years starcraft history. And he was Japanese. So yeah, maybe I do generalize, but I really don't care. As for Rapid going silent, we even have old saying in Poland: "only guilty makes explanations". Not many public people go with any official statements, instead just going to court, whether as defending or attacking side in case of false accusations. As I read somewhere else, he supposedly clarified case offline. That's probably why he casted. Whatever that means. For me he was and still is good caster, even though lacking game knowledge he is great when cocasting with someone with good knowledge. If he is not in jail, I prefer him to cast than someone who half-speak english or is just bad caster. I just hope those 10 women watching SCR stream will lookout for private conversations just in case. That's all. Maybe brutal for you but truth.
You know BSL as an entity can just leave Rapid to cast. As we've said we are not the law. And there are unfortunately plenty of people like yourself who would excuse way too much apparently. Also a lot of people who don't care either way.
I think the BSL brand will probably go on with or without him casting. Would some people tune out? Sure. Maybe others like yourself would be more attracted to it and make up the difference.
Either way I think if you want to be in the public eye, you address things publicly. Hiding is avoiding discussion, not being brave.
By this old saying you speak of "only guilty makes explanations" I can murder 10 people, remain silent for the rest of my life and that would mean I am not guilty? You don't have to bother responding to this one. It's a rhetorical question. This is not the standard I think we should conduct ourselves by.
I don't think of you as a lesser being. I always have and always will admire your Wraith play. I just think you are wrong on this issue. I think as long as we can engage in discussion we can figure out what's good for the highest amount of people. ^_._^
Thanks and likewise. As somewhat veteran in internet trolling I really respect ur tryings. Keep the good work and gl with those murders. I just hope the number you've put is only coincidental with the number of women watching starcraft streams I've written. Cause you know, you may ruin your opinion over here that way, even without strong evidence.
I don't get the last line you wrote.
Probably that's why I'm bigger veteran than you.
You play the "I'm trolling" card that's fine. You wanna weasel your way out of a substantive discussion? This is the thread you choose to troll?
I doubt that if the response in the thread was overwhelmingly in your favor you would have said in the end "guys I was actually trolling and I agree with the original post". But we would never know for sure...
On December 12 2023 05:47 radley wrote: To castleMG, fearthqueen, lucky_noob and probably more. Maybe I used misleading meaning for word weirdos, even though I clarified it. I consider you being weirdos too, because you are playing judge even though you state that there was no explanation provided, which is cringe as hell to me and apparently to the most community in Poland. You're brain had been eaten by new world trends, which are probably forced to brainwash every "lesser" being. That's why you probably not gonna think over it, but whatever, my lost. I don't care about your opinion about me at all, so safe your words. Btw. for more correct understanding of weirdos, does for example fondness to manga girls considered weirdo in america, or maybe not? If so and I wanted to, I could give couple of streamer names, just need to log on Twitch during american streaming time to make a list, rotfl. So no, even that would not be based on one man example. Also castleMG, I wrote it many times, but as of Canadian players, I knew around 20-30 players from there and could get well only with one in all my 20 years starcraft history. And he was Japanese. So yeah, maybe I do generalize, but I really don't care. As for Rapid going silent, we even have old saying in Poland: "only guilty makes explanations". Not many public people go with any official statements, instead just going to court, whether as defending or attacking side in case of false accusations. As I read somewhere else, he supposedly clarified case offline. That's probably why he casted. Whatever that means. For me he was and still is good caster, even though lacking game knowledge he is great when cocasting with someone with good knowledge. If he is not in jail, I prefer him to cast than someone who half-speak english or is just bad caster. I just hope those 10 women watching SCR stream will lookout for private conversations just in case. That's all. Maybe brutal for you but truth.
Like I said, I understand the “innocent until absolutely proven guilty” mentality you have but here’s the thing, no one is gonna take legal action to prove the legitimacy of the claims against Rapid. Probably because it’s not worth the legal fees, time, hassle, stress, etc of the accusers. Also from what I read in the twitlonger posts from the accusers, I don’t think Rapid technically did anything illegal (based on those posts alone). I’m deeply against cancel culture in this sense normally but you have to wonder… why would a bunch of women come out with similar stories at real gaming events that rapid was at accuse him of all this? What’s in it for them to accuse a low tier barely known BW caster? They just all wanted to ruin his career? For what motive? Surely it’s not money, there’s no sense in that. I believe what they’re saying is true because it sounds like they were all weirded out by a guy who had them uncomfortably cornered and they felt like other people should be publicly warned before things escalated. And lets be honest, there won’t be a serious investigation and even if there was, Rapid had these women alone when he did most of the alleged sexual talking, it’ll be his word against theirs if anything went to court. I personally wouldn’t want someone representing my gaming event just because of the deranged behaviour by Rapid that was alleged and even though there’s no 100% proof, you have to weigh why would the accusers put their names on the line? For what? Why would rapid go radio silent for 3 years after? Wouldn’t you vehemently defend yourself with receipts if you were innocent? I sure would. That’s why I have to draw my own conclusions with what happened.
Edit: also I don’t understand the whole western slander thing, it’s just making you look like you generalize certain people which is incredibly ignorant. This also isn’t a political matter in any sense, I know people in this thread with political views that don’t align with mine and they have the same view as me on this topic.
On December 12 2023 05:47 radley wrote: To castleMG, fearthqueen, lucky_noob and probably more. Maybe I used misleading meaning for word weirdos, even though I clarified it. I consider you being weirdos too, because you are playing judge even though you state that there was no explanation provided, which is cringe as hell to me and apparently to the most community in Poland. You're brain had been eaten by new world trends, which are probably forced to brainwash every "lesser" being. That's why you probably not gonna think over it, but whatever, my lost. I don't care about your opinion about me at all, so safe your words. Btw. for more correct understanding of weirdos, does for example fondness to manga girls considered weirdo in america, or maybe not? If so and I wanted to, I could give couple of streamer names, just need to log on Twitch during american streaming time to make a list, rotfl. So no, even that would not be based on one man example. Also castleMG, I wrote it many times, but as of Canadian players, I knew around 20-30 players from there and could get well only with one in all my 20 years starcraft history. And he was Japanese. So yeah, maybe I do generalize, but I really don't care. As for Rapid going silent, we even have old saying in Poland: "only guilty makes explanations". Not many public people go with any official statements, instead just going to court, whether as defending or attacking side in case of false accusations. As I read somewhere else, he supposedly clarified case offline. That's probably why he casted. Whatever that means. For me he was and still is good caster, even though lacking game knowledge he is great when cocasting with someone with good knowledge. If he is not in jail, I prefer him to cast than someone who half-speak english or is just bad caster. I just hope those 10 women watching SCR stream will lookout for private conversations just in case. That's all. Maybe brutal for you but truth.
Like I said, I understand the “innocent until absolutely proven guilty” mentality you have but here’s the thing, no one is gonna take legal action to prove the legitimacy of the claims against Rapid. Probably because it’s not worth the legal fees, time, hassle, stress, etc of the accusers. Also from what I read in the twitlonger posts from the accusers, I don’t think Rapid technically did anything illegal (based on those posts alone). I’m deeply against cancel culture in this sense normally but you have to wonder… why would a bunch of women come out with similar stories at real gaming events that rapid was at accuse him of all this? What’s in it for them to accuse a low tier barely known BW caster? They just all wanted to ruin his career? For what motive? Surely it’s not money, there’s no sense in that. I believe what they’re saying is true because it sounds like they were all weirded out by a guy who had them uncomfortably cornered and they felt like other people should be publicly warned before things escalated. And lets be honest, there won’t be a serious investigation and even if there was, Rapid had these women alone when he did most of the alleged sexual talking, it’ll be his word against theirs if anything went to court. I personally wouldn’t want someone representing my gaming event just because of the ethics of what was alleged and the fact that even though there’s no 100% proof, you have to weigh why would the accusers put their names on the line? For what? Why would rapid go radio silent for 3 years after? Wouldn’t you vehemently defend yourself if you were innocent with receipts? I sure would. That’s why I have to draw my own conclusions with what happened.
This was pointed out to me. I'm no lawyer. Apparently even mentioning there MIGHT be an issue is "drama" for some people.
My very limited understanding on the subject is that if you can prove you lost money by being fired from a job because someone said false things about you, you can sue them for that money or some compensation.
A lot of things settle out of court too. You may be barred from giving details but you can always say "it's been settled, I can't talk about it legally" whatever the case may be...
Just something that came to mind.
P.S. I miss people on the internet that have different political views but can have a discussion with and agree on some core values or basic things. Glad we are not all extinct. ^_._^
It’s not cancel culture to not want to hang out with certain people or have them represent your brand. There’s no right to being a brand ambassador nor to being a member of specific communities. But in any case Rapid voluntarily abandoned the community with no explanation 3 years ago.
A statement from bsl would be welcome. the discussion about rapid being guilty is pointless right now since he was banned 3 years ago anyway. Him poping random at a bsl event make no sense without some explaination.
It seems like some of you guys havent realized that one of the main organizers of this BSL already made some sort of a statement by editing his original post in the first page of this thread. Go back to #14 pls.
My tldr interpretation of that cryptic message is: - He acknowledged that Rapid did a very stupid thing - But he spent his own time and money to attend this event and none of the participants oppose to it - And he's been helpful to the event, doing it for free and on goodwill
On December 10 2023 00:52 Rus_Brain wrote: I have seen a man who, having received funds, failed in job of financial management, yet paradoxically, now champion the cause of accountability for others. Remarkably, he sit comfortably in his chair, his presence known only online.
When given the chance to support a good cause, another individual I've encountered would rather have collected a lottery windfall for himself than contribute to a worthy charity. He resides in his virtual domain much like the first one.
A different character caught my attention, is trying very hard to keep his anger ringfenced until such an anger becomes publicly acceptable, at least in this one topic of discussion. So too he does stay sitting, limiting his activities to the virtual world.
I have noticed another one who managed to curse his patron following return to the online domain, after receiving a substantial sum of money to fund his lifelong ambition, and after having an opportunity to resolve his issues face-to-face in person.
Yet, there is more to this tale. I've encountered a person who committed an action so dumbfuck that one might deem it the epitome of folly. Lord have mercy on him; he refrained from blatantly criminal actions. But he did expend both his time and resources to attend this once per quarter century offline gathering. Interestingly, not a single soul objected to this person's appearance or questioned the event's organizers in real life.
The dramatic shift in last one's professional trajectory, however, is arguably the most surprising turn of events. A person who, looking at the big picture, went from making money to making amusement for a tiny collective. He also committed his own time and money to attend an offline meeting. But instead of praise, he was attacked and threatened with having support revoked. These actions stemmed from his unintentional handing off of some tasks during the group stages so that he may take part in the tournament as a participant. Note, that he remained steadfast in his commitment to deliver online content to the audience, even though the notion of an online broadcast had never been part of other organizers' initial plan.
Perhaps I'm just a traditionalist who struggles to zoom out and differentiate between all these situations mentioned above, contemplating the intricacies of human behavior, valuing in-person interactions as significant and downplaying the importance of virtual ones. Naturally, I just can't grasp an obvious thing, that the event organizers "should have" worked extra shifts for a few months to save up enough money to hire a web commentator that the bestowed online elite would have enjoyed listening to.
Do you aknowledge that the actions of a person who has made unwanted sexual advances to be a person you want to be associated with?
If not then would you feel comfortable having this person around people you care about knowing there is a chance they can make unwanted sexual advances?
If proven that all his sexual advances were true then leads to an uncomfortable atmosphere, would you condemn his actions, or continue to allow him to be at your hosted event?
Then would you take responsibility if a sexual abuse occured at the event? Or just pass it off despite several warnings, a pattern of abuses, and members not as much concerned about the event, but the safety of the people who attend.
To Rapid's supporters/defenders/enablers/East vs. West ideology grandstanders (wtf even?): what is more likely: there was extensive collusion to besmirch the character of a shitty caster who barely knew Brood War even when he was active, the conspiracy spanning several years and involving multiple plaintiffs from different communities...
OR
He's just a piece of shit who did disgusting things, has never acknowledged the situation even so far as to claim innocence or make counter-arguments, has never apologized if guilty, has never made amends, and just wants to slither quietly back into a scene he's been rightfully shunned from because no one else will take him?
Occam's razor is clear here. Fuck Rapid and anyone who supports him.
On December 12 2023 11:50 TMNT wrote: It seems like some of you guys havent realized that one of the main organizers of this BSL already made some sort of a statement by editing his original post in the first page of this thread. Go back to #14 pls.
My tldr interpretation of that cryptic message is: - He acknowledged that Rapid did a very stupid thing - But he spent his own time and money to attend this event and none of the participants oppose to it - And he's been helpful to the event, doing it for free and on goodwill
I think you are right. Well said "some sort of a statement" and "cryptic message". Not a ringing endorsement.
I am glad he spent his own time and money. I have a hard time to believe he did it for the love of Brood War that his knowledge seems lacking at best.
I do not expect the participants to know Rapid's history as he's been missing for so long. If it was me there I would assume everything is good because I trust the organizers.
I'm sure he's fun to talk to in person. That is not the issue..
i don't like the idea of taking what rus_brain said and automatically assuming it represents how zzzero feels. i would prefer to hear from the guy. i can understand not finding the time to speak on it while organizing a tournament. i hope he takes the time to post about it after he's had some rest.
On December 12 2023 17:38 quaristice wrote: i don't like the idea of taking what rus_brain said and automatically assuming it represents how zzzero feels. i would prefer to hear from the guy. i can understand not finding the time to speak on it while organizing a tournament. i hope he takes the time to post about it after he's had some rest.
Would be nice to get ZZZero's perspective as well of course.
However this is in the Bombastic 25th Anniversary LAN: 09 - 12 December thread:
ORGANIZERS Rus_Brain - Offline organization and logistics ZZZero - Online organization and stream production
and Brain is also funding the bigger part of the tournament afaIk. So it's not like it's a random person talking...
On December 12 2023 17:38 quaristice wrote: i don't like the idea of taking what rus_brain said and automatically assuming it represents how zzzero feels. i would prefer to hear from the guy. i can understand not finding the time to speak on it while organizing a tournament. i hope he takes the time to post about it after he's had some rest.
Would be nice to get ZZZero's perspective as well of course.
However this is in the Bombastic 25th Anniversary LAN: 09 - 12 December thread:
ORGANIZERS Rus_Brain - Offline organization and logistics ZZZero - Online organization and stream production
and Brain is also funding the bigger part of the tournament afaIk. So it's not like it's a random person talking...
yeah i'm aware. i'm also aware that rus_brain put forward a significant amount of money for this and many other tournaments.
edit: to clarify, i think that that connection is part of why i think we should hear from zzzero as well.
edit 2: added the quote since the page broke right there so people don't have to go back a page to understand
On December 12 2023 06:50 ZakRoM wrote: Saying all westerners are weirdos is like saying all Polish are like Julia, honestly I would think the second is worst lol, but we know none of the both are true. Regarding Rapid there's plenty of evidence, from LoL and from BW, that he did creppy and wrong things, so why do people keep thinking he's been blame for nothing?
Where is it? The OP only has witness testimony of no credibility whatsoever, that could be interpreted as inappropriate or not.
On December 12 2023 05:47 radley wrote: To castleMG, fearthqueen, lucky_noob and probably more. Maybe I used misleading meaning for word weirdos, even though I clarified it. I consider you being weirdos too, because you are playing judge even though you state that there was no explanation provided, which is cringe as hell to me and apparently to the most community in Poland. You're brain had been eaten by new world trends, which are probably forced to brainwash every "lesser" being. That's why you probably not gonna think over it, but whatever, my lost. I don't care about your opinion about me at all, so safe your words. Btw. for more correct understanding of weirdos, does for example fondness to manga girls considered weirdo in america, or maybe not? If so and I wanted to, I could give couple of streamer names, just need to log on Twitch during american streaming time to make a list, rotfl. So no, even that would not be based on one man example. Also castleMG, I wrote it many times, but as of Canadian players, I knew around 20-30 players from there and could get well only with one in all my 20 years starcraft history. And he was Japanese. So yeah, maybe I do generalize, but I really don't care. As for Rapid going silent, we even have old saying in Poland: "only guilty makes explanations". Not many public people go with any official statements, instead just going to court, whether as defending or attacking side in case of false accusations. As I read somewhere else, he supposedly clarified case offline. That's probably why he casted. Whatever that means. For me he was and still is good caster, even though lacking game knowledge he is great when cocasting with someone with good knowledge. If he is not in jail, I prefer him to cast than someone who half-speak english or is just bad caster. I just hope those 10 women watching SCR stream will lookout for private conversations just in case. That's all. Maybe brutal for you but truth.
Like I said, I understand the “innocent until absolutely proven guilty” mentality you have but here’s the thing, no one is gonna take legal action to prove the legitimacy of the claims against Rapid. Probably because it’s not worth the legal fees, time, hassle, stress, etc of the accusers. Also from what I read in the twitlonger posts from the accusers, I don’t think Rapid technically did anything illegal (based on those posts alone). I’m deeply against cancel culture in this sense normally but you have to wonder… why would a bunch of women come out with similar stories at real gaming events that rapid was at accuse him of all this? What’s in it for them to accuse a low tier barely known BW caster? They just all wanted to ruin his career? For what motive? Surely it’s not money, there’s no sense in that. I believe what they’re saying is true because it sounds like they were all weirded out by a guy who had them uncomfortably cornered and they felt like other people should be publicly warned before things escalated. And lets be honest, there won’t be a serious investigation and even if there was, Rapid had these women alone when he did most of the alleged sexual talking, it’ll be his word against theirs if anything went to court. I personally wouldn’t want someone representing my gaming event just because of the deranged behaviour by Rapid that was alleged and even though there’s no 100% proof, you have to weigh why would the accusers put their names on the line? For what? Why would rapid go radio silent for 3 years after? Wouldn’t you vehemently defend yourself with receipts if you were innocent? I sure would. That’s why I have to draw my own conclusions with what happened.
Edit: also I don’t understand the whole western slander thing, it’s just making you look like you generalize certain people which is incredibly ignorant. This also isn’t a political matter in any sense, I know people in this thread with political views that don’t align with mine and they have the same view as me on this topic.
This is a great post, I think you fully captured the nature of this case.
There is absolutely not enough evidence to treat this seriously. Why would they do it? I think it's a question to ask them. Maybe the found this awkward flirting acceptable at the time, now they grew up a bit and they don't anymore. Maybe they want attention (speaking of generalisation, isn't that every streamer wants, regardless of gender?), I've seen some comments in the old threads when this case has been discussed on joint streams. So in a nondirect way money could definitely be your answer. Rapid is also known in sc2 and lol community and not just bw, so exaggeration can clearly get you some publicity within these circles. Multiple accounts are explained by group behaviour. You see someone addressing a matter publicly, you'd also consider it. Whether it was any of the above reasons, there is no punishment for this type of public accusation.
Your opinion on this is very much that of the cancel culture though. If there is an accusation, no matter how serious, or how well supported, we should get rid of the person ASAP as it will leave a bad taste. As I said earlier I can only guess why he didn't defend himself. What chances would he have to win your trust back in a forum battle? He could certainly defend himself in court, but in a back and fourth internet war against a flock of bw nerds. Speaking of this, I think that is what Radley is trying to say. Pointing out the double standards in Western gaming communities which man, are full of weird nerds. There is no more deranged social group than older gamers - it is generalising of course, but I am afraid a very close one based on viewers numbers. Maybe all moral focus of the accusers should be pointed at platforms like twitch that promote sexual objectification of women, highlight half-naked bathtub streams, asmr mic licking for incels, millions of dollars pumped into a wanking service accessible to children. After battling all of that, you can then put your pitchfork at the weirdo who send a dic pick to someone.
On December 12 2023 14:39 MeSaber wrote: The damage is already done and whoever invited rapid is to blame.
Someone is friend with rapid and that meant more than BSL reputation.
If hes still at the event hiding from camera doesnt make it better.
I don't think anyone specifically invited him. He went, and I think from what I read initially as a player but for some reason couldn't play and hence the casting
On December 12 2023 05:47 radley wrote: To castleMG, fearthqueen, lucky_noob and probably more. Maybe I used misleading meaning for word weirdos, even though I clarified it. I consider you being weirdos too, because you are playing judge even though you state that there was no explanation provided, which is cringe as hell to me and apparently to the most community in Poland. You're brain had been eaten by new world trends, which are probably forced to brainwash every "lesser" being. That's why you probably not gonna think over it, but whatever, my lost. I don't care about your opinion about me at all, so safe your words. Btw. for more correct understanding of weirdos, does for example fondness to manga girls considered weirdo in america, or maybe not? If so and I wanted to, I could give couple of streamer names, just need to log on Twitch during american streaming time to make a list, rotfl. So no, even that would not be based on one man example. Also castleMG, I wrote it many times, but as of Canadian players, I knew around 20-30 players from there and could get well only with one in all my 20 years starcraft history. And he was Japanese. So yeah, maybe I do generalize, but I really don't care. As for Rapid going silent, we even have old saying in Poland: "only guilty makes explanations". Not many public people go with any official statements, instead just going to court, whether as defending or attacking side in case of false accusations. As I read somewhere else, he supposedly clarified case offline. That's probably why he casted. Whatever that means. For me he was and still is good caster, even though lacking game knowledge he is great when cocasting with someone with good knowledge. If he is not in jail, I prefer him to cast than someone who half-speak english or is just bad caster. I just hope those 10 women watching SCR stream will lookout for private conversations just in case. That's all. Maybe brutal for you but truth.
Like I said, I understand the “innocent until absolutely proven guilty” mentality you have but here’s the thing, no one is gonna take legal action to prove the legitimacy of the claims against Rapid. Probably because it’s not worth the legal fees, time, hassle, stress, etc of the accusers. Also from what I read in the twitlonger posts from the accusers, I don’t think Rapid technically did anything illegal (based on those posts alone). I’m deeply against cancel culture in this sense normally but you have to wonder… why would a bunch of women come out with similar stories at real gaming events that rapid was at accuse him of all this? What’s in it for them to accuse a low tier barely known BW caster? They just all wanted to ruin his career? For what motive? Surely it’s not money, there’s no sense in that. I believe what they’re saying is true because it sounds like they were all weirded out by a guy who had them uncomfortably cornered and they felt like other people should be publicly warned before things escalated. And lets be honest, there won’t be a serious investigation and even if there was, Rapid had these women alone when he did most of the alleged sexual talking, it’ll be his word against theirs if anything went to court. I personally wouldn’t want someone representing my gaming event just because of the deranged behaviour by Rapid that was alleged and even though there’s no 100% proof, you have to weigh why would the accusers put their names on the line? For what? Why would rapid go radio silent for 3 years after? Wouldn’t you vehemently defend yourself with receipts if you were innocent? I sure would. That’s why I have to draw my own conclusions with what happened.
Edit: also I don’t understand the whole western slander thing, it’s just making you look like you generalize certain people which is incredibly ignorant. This also isn’t a political matter in any sense, I know people in this thread with political views that don’t align with mine and they have the same view as me on this topic.
This is a great post, I think you fully captured the nature of this case.
There is absolutely not enough evidence to treat this seriously. Why would they do it? I think it's a question to ask them. Maybe the found this awkward flirting acceptable at the time, now they grew up a bit and they don't anymore. Maybe they want attention (speaking of generalisation, isn't that every streamer wants, regardless of gender?), I've seen some comments in the old threads when this case has been discussed on joint streams. So in a nondirect way money could definitely be your answer. Rapid is also known in sc2 and lol community and not just bw, so exaggeration can clearly get you some publicity within these circles. Multiple accounts are explained by group behaviour. You see someone addressing a matter publicly, you'd also consider it. Whether it was any of the above reasons, there is no punishment for this type of public accusation.
Your opinion on this is very much that of the cancel culture though. If there is an accusation, no matter how serious, or how well supported, we should get rid of the person ASAP as it will leave a bad taste. As I said earlier I can only guess why he didn't defend himself. What chances would he have to win your trust back in a forum battle? He could certainly defend himself in court, but in a back and fourth internet war against a flock of bw nerds. Speaking of this, I think that is what Radley is trying to say. Pointing out the double standards in Western gaming communities which man, are full of weird nerds. There is no more deranged social group than older gamers - it is generalising of course, but I am afraid a very close one based on viewers numbers. Maybe all moral focus of the accusers should be pointed at platforms like twitch that promote sexual objectification of women, highlight half-naked bathtub streams, asmr mic licking for incels, millions of dollars pumped into a wanking service accessible to children. After battling all of that, you can then put your pitchfork at the weirdo who send a dic pick to someone.
The accusers are the are the original people who shared their stories. This thread is just a reminder of that and the fact the issue is unresolved publicly 3 years in. I think you are missing the point.
So you are saying because there are much bigger issues in the world and even in the streaming scene as a whole we should ignore the one in our favorite tournament?
Also if trusting women is a problem for you, you should actually read the links provided. You will stumble upon TLO's post on his experience with Korean team house. Point being it can happen to anyone.
Is this like balancing out the closed Rapid Appreciation Thread then? Don't you know the sun has moved on out of Libra into Scorpion/Ophiuchus already.What is an 8-pager on this shit supposed to parade; your debate.org skills?
On December 12 2023 21:09 ALF LightYear wrote: Is this like balancing out the closed Rapid Appreciation Thread then? Don't you know the sun has moved on out of Libra into Scorpion/Ophiuchus already.What is an 8-pager on this shit supposed to parade; your debate.org skills?
Welcome to the website ALF LightYear Profile PM Joined December 2023 (2 Posts).
Look at it as a concerned community members question to BSL "What's up with that? Unexpected."
If we didn't have hot takes that have to be addressed the pages would have been less.
To be clear your contribution is "Bruh, you showing off or something?"? That is what you get from the thread?
Rapid's behaviour was beyond contemptible; he caused lasting distress to innocent people, notably underage girls. Then he ran away from facing the consequences of his actions, and never had the courage to own up to his mistakes or acknowledge the need to change as a person. That is not someone I will forgive the actions of, and I will not watch BSL or any other show Rapid is part of.
On December 12 2023 14:39 MeSaber wrote: The damage is already done and whoever invited rapid is to blame.
Someone is friend with rapid and that meant more than BSL reputation.
If hes still at the event hiding from camera doesnt make it better.
I don't think anyone specifically invited him. He went, and I think from what I read initially as a player but for some reason couldn't play and hence the casting
For "some reason", like being banned perhaps?
If true this is even more stupid. Either you let the guy in or you don't, and if you do playing would probably be less damaging than casting.
Are we supposed to believe the biggest tournament of the year didn't have a caster planned and literally picked the first dude through the door?
I also don't think you just "show up" at someone s house like that, rapid would have told rusbrain he was coming at the very least.
Not trying to be the devil advocate here but I think the rationality behind Rus_Brain 's decision to have Rapid in this event is quite simple: you are running on a tight budget and you have a professional caster willing to assist the event for free (whether he's a good caster is up for debate and a subjective matter anyway). Yes he allegedly did something bad in the past but it's been a while and he hasn't done anything wrong since (as far as we know) and apparently he's behaving very well at the event now. None of the participants have any problems with him there. And finally we have a slowly dying community so expelling people from this community is the last thing we want to do.
Of course the other side of the argument is valid as well and BSL organizers should have been aware that this is a controversial decision and a little bit of transparency may help.
On December 12 2023 05:47 radley wrote: To castleMG, fearthqueen, lucky_noob and probably more. Maybe I used misleading meaning for word weirdos, even though I clarified it. I consider you being weirdos too, because you are playing judge even though you state that there was no explanation provided, which is cringe as hell to me and apparently to the most community in Poland. You're brain had been eaten by new world trends, which are probably forced to brainwash every "lesser" being. That's why you probably not gonna think over it, but whatever, my lost. I don't care about your opinion about me at all, so safe your words. Btw. for more correct understanding of weirdos, does for example fondness to manga girls considered weirdo in america, or maybe not? If so and I wanted to, I could give couple of streamer names, just need to log on Twitch during american streaming time to make a list, rotfl. So no, even that would not be based on one man example. Also castleMG, I wrote it many times, but as of Canadian players, I knew around 20-30 players from there and could get well only with one in all my 20 years starcraft history. And he was Japanese. So yeah, maybe I do generalize, but I really don't care. As for Rapid going silent, we even have old saying in Poland: "only guilty makes explanations". Not many public people go with any official statements, instead just going to court, whether as defending or attacking side in case of false accusations. As I read somewhere else, he supposedly clarified case offline. That's probably why he casted. Whatever that means. For me he was and still is good caster, even though lacking game knowledge he is great when cocasting with someone with good knowledge. If he is not in jail, I prefer him to cast than someone who half-speak english or is just bad caster. I just hope those 10 women watching SCR stream will lookout for private conversations just in case. That's all. Maybe brutal for you but truth.
You know BSL as an entity can just leave Rapid to cast. As we've said we are not the law. And there are unfortunately plenty of people like yourself who would excuse way too much apparently. Also a lot of people who don't care either way.
I think the BSL brand will probably go on with or without him casting. Would some people tune out? Sure. Maybe others like yourself would be more attracted to it and make up the difference.
Either way I think if you want to be in the public eye, you address things publicly. Hiding is avoiding discussion, not being brave.
By this old saying you speak of "only guilty makes explanations" I can murder 10 people, remain silent for the rest of my life and that would mean I am not guilty? You don't have to bother responding to this one. It's a rhetorical question. This is not the standard I think we should conduct ourselves by.
I don't think of you as a lesser being. I always have and always will admire your Wraith play. I just think you are wrong on this issue. I think as long as we can engage in discussion we can figure out what's good for the highest amount of people. ^_._^
Thanks and likewise. As somewhat veteran in internet trolling I really respect ur tryings. Keep the good work and gl with those murders. I just hope the number you've put is only coincidental with the number of women watching starcraft streams I've written. Cause you know, you may ruin your opinion over here that way, even without strong evidence.
I don't get the last line you wrote.
Probably that's why I'm bigger veteran than you.
You play the "I'm trolling" card that's fine. You wanna weasel your way out of a substantive discussion? This is the thread you choose to troll?
I doubt that if the response in the thread was overwhelmingly in your favor you would have said in the end "guys I was actually trolling and I agree with the original post". But we would never know for sure...
You really owned the libs in this one. ; D
See mate, you can't even find out what's trolling and what's not. My statements regarding topic are not trolling and completely sincere. The only trolling was in post about ur future plans for becoming serial killer.
My guy Lucky_N00B, you, of all people, should know why, who and how Rapid was allowed in this event. It's perfectly understandable why other people are mind-boggled by this situation. But it's extremely simple and obvious.
On December 10 2023 00:52 Rus_Brain wrote: Some shining sword in the rotten armour routine here + Show Spoiler +
BW STPL, Season 5 and 6
Brain I paid out the money for STPL Season 5 and as I explained to you in the past I completely forgot that our agreement at the time was for me to host a Season 6 as well - which I seem to remember you saying was ok as per our usual agreement the esports.fund only added the money to Matcherino for the season as it was happening. After Season 5 happened I mentally went through a lot and I made the decision to stop hosting tournaments for a while and that's where my current position is. That is and has nothing to do with this topic and if you're claiming that me forgetting to host a single season is the same as someone being abusive and committing sexual assault then I have no idea what to say to you.
In terms of me casting with Rapid prior to that I had absolutely no idea he was this kind of person until all the allegations come out, I didn't even know he was a league caster before. He was and is a pathalogical liar as explained in this twitlonger from a girl he was in an emotionally abusive relationship with for 5 years. http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sr9qgu A choice quote of this would be:
" Every time i’ve ever asked, he says that age is a number and that it doesn’t matter or that he feels like he’s in the middle with most of his friends being either 5 years younger or 5 years older. "
Dont feel guilty Qikz. Rus Brain also promised to pay for my korean expenses (when i was in Korea representing Esports fund ) and he never did. He baned me from his bo1 tournament series cuz i complained that Casper left the game after doing 8 barrack and forgetting his supply. Called me russophobic and some other crap as excuse. Legit bullied me out of all his tournaments. In Russia i was given the same room as casper and months before that happening i tried so many times to fix the situation but nothing happened. Literally worst experience of my life with that shitty Corrupted Cup he made. I remember i worked hard promoting his crap tourney doing interviews for players etc. I even donated money to it. Guy is actually so weird .
On December 13 2023 00:11 TMNT wrote: Not trying to be the devil advocate here but I think the rationality behind Rus_Brain 's decision to have Rapid in this event is quite simple: you are running on a tight budget and you have a professional caster willing to assist the event for free (whether he's a good caster is up for debate and a subjective matter anyway). Yes he allegedly did something bad in the past but it's been a while and he hasn't done anything wrong since (as far as we know) and apparently he's behaving very well at the event now. None of the participants have any problems with him there. And finally we have a slowly dying community so expelling people from this community is the last thing we want to do.
Of course the other side of the argument is valid as well and BSL organizers should have been aware that this is a controversial decision and a little bit of transparency may help.
I thought we are doing fine the past few years. So much so I wasn't even sure who's voice it was...
I get Brain''s rational for it but not a fan of the decision.
On the question of being a good caster there are 2 points.
1. Game knowledge is not subjective. You can certainly have a questionaire or test to figure out a person's game knowledge. I was shocked on youtube Rapid's oldest video is 13 years ago ProLeague BW commentary.
2. The energy he brings to a cast is subjective and u either like it or not. That one I give you.
On December 12 2023 05:47 radley wrote: To castleMG, fearthqueen, lucky_noob and probably more. Maybe I used misleading meaning for word weirdos, even though I clarified it. I consider you being weirdos too, because you are playing judge even though you state that there was no explanation provided, which is cringe as hell to me and apparently to the most community in Poland. You're brain had been eaten by new world trends, which are probably forced to brainwash every "lesser" being. That's why you probably not gonna think over it, but whatever, my lost. I don't care about your opinion about me at all, so safe your words. Btw. for more correct understanding of weirdos, does for example fondness to manga girls considered weirdo in america, or maybe not? If so and I wanted to, I could give couple of streamer names, just need to log on Twitch during american streaming time to make a list, rotfl. So no, even that would not be based on one man example. Also castleMG, I wrote it many times, but as of Canadian players, I knew around 20-30 players from there and could get well only with one in all my 20 years starcraft history. And he was Japanese. So yeah, maybe I do generalize, but I really don't care. As for Rapid going silent, we even have old saying in Poland: "only guilty makes explanations". Not many public people go with any official statements, instead just going to court, whether as defending or attacking side in case of false accusations. As I read somewhere else, he supposedly clarified case offline. That's probably why he casted. Whatever that means. For me he was and still is good caster, even though lacking game knowledge he is great when cocasting with someone with good knowledge. If he is not in jail, I prefer him to cast than someone who half-speak english or is just bad caster. I just hope those 10 women watching SCR stream will lookout for private conversations just in case. That's all. Maybe brutal for you but truth.
You know BSL as an entity can just leave Rapid to cast. As we've said we are not the law. And there are unfortunately plenty of people like yourself who would excuse way too much apparently. Also a lot of people who don't care either way.
I think the BSL brand will probably go on with or without him casting. Would some people tune out? Sure. Maybe others like yourself would be more attracted to it and make up the difference.
Either way I think if you want to be in the public eye, you address things publicly. Hiding is avoiding discussion, not being brave.
By this old saying you speak of "only guilty makes explanations" I can murder 10 people, remain silent for the rest of my life and that would mean I am not guilty? You don't have to bother responding to this one. It's a rhetorical question. This is not the standard I think we should conduct ourselves by.
I don't think of you as a lesser being. I always have and always will admire your Wraith play. I just think you are wrong on this issue. I think as long as we can engage in discussion we can figure out what's good for the highest amount of people. ^_._^
Thanks and likewise. As somewhat veteran in internet trolling I really respect ur tryings. Keep the good work and gl with those murders. I just hope the number you've put is only coincidental with the number of women watching starcraft streams I've written. Cause you know, you may ruin your opinion over here that way, even without strong evidence.
I don't get the last line you wrote.
Probably that's why I'm bigger veteran than you.
You play the "I'm trolling" card that's fine. You wanna weasel your way out of a substantive discussion? This is the thread you choose to troll?
I doubt that if the response in the thread was overwhelmingly in your favor you would have said in the end "guys I was actually trolling and I agree with the original post". But we would never know for sure...
You really owned the libs in this one. ; D
See mate, you can't even find out what's trolling and what's not. My statements regarding topic are not trolling and completely sincere. The only trolling was in post about ur future plans for becoming serial killer.
That's just sad then. I would be curious what else is going on in that head of yours. But we need a political thread for that. IDK if I have the energy to go down that lurker hole..
On December 13 2023 00:26 Nirli wrote: My guy Lucky_N00B, you, of all people, should know why, who and how Rapid was allowed in this event. It's perfectly understandable why other people are mind-boggled by this situation. But it's extremely simple and obvious.
I should? All I know is what's been said and posted publicly. The pieces are slowly falling into place.
Still many questions remain unanswered. For one should we expect Rapid in other BSL events? Nahui, Mexico? Regional event in Nahui, Peru? Maybe even in one of the 2 Nahuis in China?!
ha... rapid. this has nothing to do with rapid, he is just a pawn in the real story. this event may be organized by Zero.... but clearly it ain't he who has the final word not only that... he wouldn't dare have a word, unless permitted yet it's his enterprise that will take the hit, as is already happening. maybe you should consider the bigger picture that's on display here, empathize with Zero... and bring up the real topic for discussion!!!
On December 13 2023 06:24 nikolaus8844 wrote: ha... rapid. this has nothing to do with rapid, he is just a pawn in the real story. this event may be organized by Zero.... but clearly it ain't he who has the final word not only that... he wouldn't dare have a word, unless permitted yet it's his enterprise that will take the hit, as is already happening. maybe you should consider the bigger picture that's on display here, empathize with Zero... and bring up the real topic for discussion!!!
On December 13 2023 06:24 nikolaus8844 wrote: ha... rapid. this has nothing to do with rapid, he is just a pawn in the real story. this event may be organized by Zero.... but clearly it ain't he who has the final word not only that... he wouldn't dare have a word, unless permitted yet it's his enterprise that will take the hit, as is already happening. maybe you should consider the bigger picture that's on display here, empathize with Zero... and bring up the real topic for discussion!!!
if you sell your soul to the devil, you cant ask people for empathy when the devil takes his due...
On December 12 2023 06:50 ZakRoM wrote: Saying all westerners are weirdos is like saying all Polish are like Julia, honestly I would think the second is worst lol, but we know none of the both are true. Regarding Rapid there's plenty of evidence, from LoL and from BW, that he did creppy and wrong things, so why do people keep thinking he's been blame for nothing?
Where is it? The OP only has witness testimony of no credibility whatsoever, that could be interpreted as inappropriate or not.
Did I read correctly that Rus_Brain defended the choice to have Rapid cast on day 1? I am not entirely sure I read Rus_Brain's comments correctly because of the weird grammar. Because if he did defend the choice then this is somewhat a clear cut case of ending any association with him too right?
And did Bonyth Quote Rus_Brain's "Dumb Lizard" comment because he agrees? or does he disagree?
Honestly reading this thread has somewhat confused me where some crucially involved people are standing on this matter.
On December 13 2023 11:38 RJBTV wrote: Did I read correctly that Rus_Brain defended the choice to have Rapid cast on day 1? I am not entirely sure I read Rus_Brain's comments correctly because of the weird grammar. Because if he did defend the choice then this is somewhat a clear cut case of ending any association with him too right?
And did Bonyth Quote Rus_Brain's "Dumb Lizard" comment because he agrees? or does he disagree?
Honestly reading this thread has somewhat confused me where some crucially involved people are standing on this matter.
Don't want to be stereotypical or bring politics into this but it's hard to not notice that the people who (appear to) defend the decision mostly come from Poland or Russia, while the ones who are most angry come from the US or the West in general. There's literally mention about the whole East vs West thing earlier in this thread lol. Needless to say which group cares more and which group takes this kind of stuff less seriously, hence we're having this messy situation right now.
Of course you can say the problem at hand is purely about tournament integrity (or something like that), but I think the deeper root comes from the difference in ideology of the two groups.
On December 13 2023 11:38 RJBTV wrote: Did I read correctly that Rus_Brain defended the choice to have Rapid cast on day 1? I am not entirely sure I read Rus_Brain's comments correctly because of the weird grammar. Because if he did defend the choice then this is somewhat a clear cut case of ending any association with him too right?
And did Bonyth Quote Rus_Brain's "Dumb Lizard" comment because he agrees? or does he disagree?
Honestly reading this thread has somewhat confused me where some crucially involved people are standing on this matter.
Don't want to be stereotypical or bring politics into this but it's hard to not notice that the people who (appear to) defend the decision mostly come from Poland or Russia, while the ones who are most angry come from the US or the West in general. There's literally mention about the whole East vs West thing earlier in this thread lol. Needless to say which group cares more and which group takes this kind of stuff less seriously, hence we're having this messy situation right now.
Of course you can say the problem at hand is purely about tournament integrity (or something like that), but I think the deeper root comes from the difference in ideology of the two groups.
Don't let Radley and Shad distract and divide us from the basic argument here by their hurling blanket insults at "Western" culture. Simple point still stands - don't reinstate someone who you yourself banned without any kind of resolution or transparency and expect your viewers/supporters to be OK with that decision. The whole judgement/not guilty in a court of law argument is completely irrelevant to the conversation.
On December 13 2023 11:38 RJBTV wrote: Did I read correctly that Rus_Brain defended the choice to have Rapid cast on day 1? I am not entirely sure I read Rus_Brain's comments correctly because of the weird grammar. Because if he did defend the choice then this is somewhat a clear cut case of ending any association with him too right?
And did Bonyth Quote Rus_Brain's "Dumb Lizard" comment because he agrees? or does he disagree?
Honestly reading this thread has somewhat confused me where some crucially involved people are standing on this matter.
Don't want to be stereotypical or bring politics into this but it's hard to not notice that the people who (appear to) defend the decision mostly come from Poland or Russia, while the ones who are most angry come from the US or the West in general. There's literally mention about the whole East vs West thing earlier in this thread lol. Needless to say which group cares more and which group takes this kind of stuff less seriously, hence we're having this messy situation right now.
Of course you can say the problem at hand is purely about tournament integrity (or something like that), but I think the deeper root comes from the difference in ideology of the two groups.
Don't let Radley and Shad distract and divide us from the basic argument here by their hurling blanket insults at "Western" culture. Simple point still stands - don't reinstate someone who you yourself banned without any kind of resolution or transparency and expect your viewers/supporters to be OK with that decision. The whole judgement/not guilty in a court of law argument is completely irrelevant to the conversation.
Let me rephrase what I said above by an example: let's say BSL banned player X for bm'ing in a previous tournament, but X is a really good player and BSL could use someone like him in an anniversary tourney, so he came back for it, unexplained. That's a wrong thing to do and would spark some controversies obviously, but I bet less people would be angry about it compared to the case when X is an alleged sex offender. We all have our levels of tolerance.
In this case, Rus_Brain and his co are the people who are not angry at X in the above example, because they are more lenient towards such an act of wrongdoings (and that comes from their ideology/culture). Added to that is the fact Rapid can bring something valuable to the table (which apparently was just revealed as Sharp), so they are willing to bend an old rule to make an exception for him. Then why not being transparent about it before the tournament? Maybe because the outrage might potentially affect their plan, and they already had enough tasks to do.
I'm not trying to justify or saying anything is right or wrong though. It's just quite obvious to me why he did this and I'm explaining the version of this event from their point of view.
BSL is a publicly funded event, it's just bad business to tell the majority of your audience that their opinions are invalid because culturally you think they are wrong. Especially when you then claim they should be more empathetic. All the back and forth and reasoning is irrelevant. If you upset your viewer base who pay for your livelihood you are not obligated to make a statement and walk back on your decision. But your certainly not helping your businesses future viability by defending your actions and making cryptic and underhanded statements towards a lot of the more well known people in the community.
On December 13 2023 12:06 TMNT wrote: Don't want to be stereotypical or bring politics into this but it's hard to not notice that the people who (appear to) defend the decision mostly come from Poland or Russia, while the ones who are most angry come from the US or the West in general. There's literally mention about the whole East vs West thing earlier in this thread lol. Needless to say which group cares more and which group takes this kind of stuff less seriously, hence we're having this messy situation right now.
Of course you can say the problem at hand is purely about tournament integrity (or something like that), but I think the deeper root comes from the difference in ideology of the two groups.
the east vs west thing is a common rhetorical tactic used by some groups in several countries that were to the east of the former "iron curtain". i see political advertisements making these kind of arguments in my country everyday. i don't live in poland but the principle is the same.
it's a common enough idea that maybe nobody here jumped to it with ill-intent. you hear people say these "east vs west" things every day. but the thing is that it's a lie.
this isn't an east vs west thing in the slightest.
however, by framing it as such, they can cast as outsiders anyone who speaks them, even if they are local to them. they can also erase the longer history of people feeling a certain way and cast it as a new development that started after the fall of the berlin wall.
and importantly, by framing it this way, they trick westerners like you into mentally assigning everyone to the east into the "rhetorical enemy" category. but the thing is that you will absolutely see plenty of westerners making these same arguments in these same situations. i've seen it myself plenty of times. and you will see plenty of people in the east who think that someone like rapid casting is bullshit.
if you get a westerner to come out and call it an east vs west thing, like you just did, suddenly many in the east who might've agreed with you goes: "wait a fucking minute, am i betraying my culture, or my people?" of course, the answer is no. you've been tricked. unfortunately, reaching that realization is difficult.
and on that note, i'm pretty tired of westerners thinking we are simultaneously evil james bond villains while also being people who live in borat's village or whatever. i think falling for the "east vs west" thing is an extension of that type of stereotypical belief. i'd ask you to consider that a wide variety of people live here, with a wide variety of beliefs and values, just like in your own home country.
He’s an idiot. He didn’t apologize or acknowledge the very many friends of mine who came out and called out him being sexually inappropriate and harassing.
Dude barely played the game anyway.
Also, lol, the people defending him… seriously grow up. It’s 2023 and y’all still let these people talk, and worse you still respond and take them seriously. They’re not gonna be convinced, they never were smart when I was in the scene and it seems nothings changed.
On December 13 2023 12:06 TMNT wrote: Don't want to be stereotypical or bring politics into this but it's hard to not notice that the people who (appear to) defend the decision mostly come from Poland or Russia, while the ones who are most angry come from the US or the West in general. There's literally mention about the whole East vs West thing earlier in this thread lol. Needless to say which group cares more and which group takes this kind of stuff less seriously, hence we're having this messy situation right now.
Of course you can say the problem at hand is purely about tournament integrity (or something like that), but I think the deeper root comes from the difference in ideology of the two groups.
the east vs west thing is a common rhetorical tactic used by some groups in several countries that were to the east of the former "iron curtain". i see political advertisements making these kind of arguments in my country everyday. i don't live in poland but the principle is the same.
it's a common enough idea that maybe nobody here jumped to it with ill-intent. you hear people say these "east vs west" things every day. but the thing is that it's a lie.
this isn't an east vs west thing in the slightest.
however, by framing it as such, they can cast as outsiders anyone who speaks them, even if they are local to them. they can also erase the longer history of people feeling a certain way and cast it as a new development that started after the fall of the berlin wall.
and importantly, by framing it this way, they trick westerners like you into mentally assigning everyone to the east into the "rhetorical enemy" category. but the thing is that you will absolutely see plenty of westerners making these same arguments in these same situations. i've seen it myself plenty of times. and you will see plenty of people in the east who think that someone like rapid casting is bullshit.
if you get a westerner to come out and call it an east vs west thing, like you just did, suddenly many in the east who might've agreed with you goes: "wait a fucking minute, am i betraying my culture, or my people?" of course, the answer is no. you've been tricked. unfortunately, reaching that realization is difficult.
and on that note, i'm pretty tired of westerners thinking we are simultaneously evil james bond villains while also being people who live in borat's village or whatever. i think falling for the "east vs west" thing is an extension of that type of stereotypical belief. i'd ask you to consider that a wide variety of people live here, with a wide variety of beliefs and values, just like in your own home country.
I agree with most of what you are saying. I was about to make a similar post.
I think ALL kinds of people live EVERYWHERE around the world. The East is home to MOST of the World's population.
Nationalists in every country thrive on this kind of division. I think protecting and advancing national interest is possible and preferable to demonizing people.
I think people should travel or even move to a place they find may align closer to their core values. While cultural differences do exist I think they are not universal.
This is of course way off topic and better saved for a political thread.
On December 13 2023 15:18 NakaBW wrote:majority of your audience
Bold statement that few commenting here are majority of viewers.
On December 13 2023 17:39 MineraIs wrote: Haven’t heard from any of the participants about this. Wonder how many people at the event were aware of the history.
I have faith that a public statement will come about soon enough.
LAN looked awesome and successful minus this situation and a the audio issues.
Amen! Having participated in organising live events (non esports) myself, I can understand how disconnected one can be from online community during that time.
I think it was a low blow to remove stream from live streams and to issue statement when ZZZero is still in Thailand. But I'm just a spectator.
On December 13 2023 17:39 MineraIs wrote: Haven’t heard from any of the participants about this. Wonder how many people at the event were aware of the history.
I have faith that a public statement will come about soon enough.
LAN looked awesome and successful minus this situation and a the audio issues.
The LAN was actually terrible, multiple lag screens ON A LAN :D
not even the Saudis did this, the issue don't have anything to do with politics as pro Russian's could argue it's more about the grooming or previously reported weird sexual-toned interactions by female members of LoL, SC2 and our own community.
rapid's casting ability is next to non-existing so idk how he got hired to cast in the first place. To top it off, he has the looks of a child molester coupled with a Dahmer vibe. And now what? He sexually harassed women - wow, what a brazen dude, even a crass bulgarian like me is speechless.
On December 13 2023 15:18 NakaBW wrote:majority of your audience
Bold statement that few commenting here are majority of viewers.
Not really, this forum may house a small number of the community but plenty of discussion about it in discord and other places. The world is a lot larger than Russia and Poland
And it doesn't change the fact that if your shilling for money to pay for your tournament you should probably try to not upset a portion of your player base even if it's only 20% but I would wager the number is much higher.
On December 13 2023 11:38 RJBTV wrote: Did I read correctly that Rus_Brain defended the choice to have Rapid cast on day 1? I am not entirely sure I read Rus_Brain's comments correctly because of the weird grammar. Because if he did defend the choice then this is somewhat a clear cut case of ending any association with him too right?
And did Bonyth Quote Rus_Brain's "Dumb Lizard" comment because he agrees? or does he disagree?
Honestly reading this thread has somewhat confused me where some crucially involved people are standing on this matter.
Don't want to be stereotypical or bring politics into this but it's hard to not notice that the people who (appear to) defend the decision mostly come from Poland or Russia, while the ones who are most angry come from the US or the West in general. There's literally mention about the whole East vs West thing earlier in this thread lol. Needless to say which group cares more and which group takes this kind of stuff less seriously, hence we're having this messy situation right now.
Of course you can say the problem at hand is purely about tournament integrity (or something like that), but I think the deeper root comes from the difference in ideology of the two groups.
Don't let Radley and Shad distract and divide us from the basic argument here by their hurling blanket insults at "Western" culture. Simple point still stands - don't reinstate someone who you yourself banned without any kind of resolution or transparency and expect your viewers/supporters to be OK with that decision. The whole judgement/not guilty in a court of law argument is completely irrelevant to the conversation.
Let me rephrase what I said above by an example: let's say BSL banned player X for bm'ing in a previous tournament, but X is a really good player and BSL could use someone like him in an anniversary tourney, so he came back for it, unexplained. That's a wrong thing to do and would spark some controversies obviously, but I bet less people would be angry about it compared to the case when X is an alleged sex offender. We all have our levels of tolerance.
In this case, Rus_Brain and his co are the people who are not angry at X in the above example, because they are more lenient towards such an act of wrongdoings (and that comes from their ideology/culture). Added to that is the fact Rapid can bring something valuable to the table (which apparently was just revealed as Sharp), so they are willing to bend an old rule to make an exception for him. Then why not being transparent about it before the tournament? Maybe because the outrage might potentially affect their plan, and they already had enough tasks to do.
I'm not trying to justify or saying anything is right or wrong though. It's just quite obvious to me why he did this and I'm explaining the version of this event from their point of view.
It would be the same from an organizational standpoint. Example: would savior or ss1nz just suddenly be in an ASL qualifier without a statement? Would GSL invite life to a special event tomorrow?
On December 14 2023 01:23 vg162 wrote: First of all, I don't know what RaPiD is guilty of besides being a great guy and a pillar of the community but secondly
come on man. seriously guys? come on. really? you're leaving this thread up? for real? yeeeeesh
Hi Mr. 4 posts. A pillar of the community, yeah right. That pillar was gone and crumbled and glued back together earlier this month. We were fine without him and we don't need him. Do some reading, seriously
On December 14 2023 01:23 vg162 wrote: First of all, I don't know what RaPiD is guilty of besides being a great guy and a pillar of the community but secondly
come on man. seriously guys? come on. really? you're leaving this thread up? for real? yeeeeesh
If you're wondering why people keep getting nuked in threads this is probably the reason.
Take a peek at rule 3 and read it very carefully before you continue your posts. This should be posted somewhere easily seen on the website but I needed to search and give myself the refresher.
On December 13 2023 15:18 NakaBW wrote:majority of your audience
Bold statement that few commenting here are majority of viewers.
Not really, this forum may house a small number of the community but plenty of discussion about it in discord and other places. The world is a lot larger than Russia and Poland
And it doesn't change the fact that if your shilling for money to pay for your tournament you should probably try to not upset a portion of your player base even if it's only 20% but I would wager the number is much higher.
I'm honestly baffled by the number of Polish people coming in support of Rapid. I'm guessing most of them might be brigading from NetWars. I hope this is more representative of their community, which judging from the thread on this topic (https://netwars.pl/temat/181816) is an incel cesspit, than our society at large. Also funny how WolFix considers sending dick pics to minors normal.
On December 12 2023 06:50 ZakRoM wrote: Saying all westerners are weirdos is like saying all Polish are like Julia, honestly I would think the second is worst lol, but we know none of the both are true. Regarding Rapid there's plenty of evidence, from LoL and from BW, that he did creppy and wrong things, so why do people keep thinking he's been blame for nothing?
Where is it? The OP only has witness testimony of no credibility whatsoever, that could be interpreted as inappropriate or not.
No credibility... because you say so?
Actually, forget it. Hope you feel the crusade is successful
On December 13 2023 15:18 NakaBW wrote:majority of your audience
Bold statement that few commenting here are majority of viewers.
Not really, this forum may house a small number of the community but plenty of discussion about it in discord and other places. The world is a lot larger than Russia and Poland
And it doesn't change the fact that if your shilling for money to pay for your tournament you should probably try to not upset a portion of your player base even if it's only 20% but I would wager the number is much higher.
I'm honestly baffled by the number of Polish people coming in support of Rapid. I'm guessing most of them might be brigading from NetWars. I hope this is more representative of their community, which judging from the thread on this topic (https://netwars.pl/temat/181816) is an incel cesspit, than our society at large. Also funny how WolFix considers sending dick pics to minors normal.
Pretty insane the comments I'm reading on there. Rus_Brain clearly doubling down on his commitment to Rapid. Also some insane lines like "I personally don't give two fucks if someone killed another person as long as that person will not hurt me." The fuck are the standards over there?
On December 13 2023 15:18 NakaBW wrote:majority of your audience
Bold statement that few commenting here are majority of viewers.
Not really, this forum may house a small number of the community but plenty of discussion about it in discord and other places. The world is a lot larger than Russia and Poland
And it doesn't change the fact that if your shilling for money to pay for your tournament you should probably try to not upset a portion of your player base even if it's only 20% but I would wager the number is much higher.
I'm honestly baffled by the number of Polish people coming in support of Rapid. I'm guessing most of them might be brigading from NetWars. I hope this is more representative of their community, which judging from the thread on this topic (https://netwars.pl/temat/181816) is an incel cesspit, than our society at large. Also funny how WolFix considers sending dick pics to minors normal.
Pretty insane the comments I'm reading on there. Rus_Brain clearly doubling down on his commitment to Rapid. Also some insane lines like "I personally don't give two fucks if someone killed another person as long as that person will not hurt me." The fuck are the standards over there?
It's what 25 years of being a toxic echo chamber gets you. It was rather toxic when I first got into BW some 15 years ago. Seems like it's been sliding downward the whole time. It's not just misogynists, the forum is full of far-right supporters, anti-vaxxers, people supporting Russia, etc.
Honestly, it's surprising that there are some decent people left there, lol.
i would really urge caution in trusting machine translation in situations like this where context and specific meaning is very important. it tends to not be very good, especially when one language is outside the romance or germanic language families. and even if it translates word for word meaning correctly, you lose sentiment and cultural meaning. many languages have extreme sayings or idioms that should not be taken literally. a specific sentence like that should not be trusted to be accurate unless you have a native polish reader telling you so.
edit: (to clarify, it's definitely not useless. just you can't quote a sentence and say "they said this sentence")
On December 13 2023 15:18 NakaBW wrote:majority of your audience
Bold statement that few commenting here are majority of viewers.
Not really, this forum may house a small number of the community but plenty of discussion about it in discord and other places. The world is a lot larger than Russia and Poland
And it doesn't change the fact that if your shilling for money to pay for your tournament you should probably try to not upset a portion of your player base even if it's only 20% but I would wager the number is much higher.
I'm honestly baffled by the number of Polish people coming in support of Rapid. I'm guessing most of them might be brigading from NetWars. I hope this is more representative of their community, which judging from the thread on this topic (https://netwars.pl/temat/181816) is an incel cesspit, than our society at large. Also funny how WolFix considers sending dick pics to minors normal.
Pretty insane the comments I'm reading on there. Rus_Brain clearly doubling down on his commitment to Rapid. Also some insane lines like "I personally don't give two fucks if someone killed another person as long as that person will not hurt me." The fuck are the standards over there?
It's what 25 years of being a toxic echo chamber gets you. It was rather toxic when I first got into BW some 15 years ago. Seems like it's been sliding downward the whole time. It's not just misogynists, the forum is full of far-right supporters, anti-vaxxers, people supporting Russia, etc.
Honestly, it's surprising that there are some decent people left there, lol.
Pretty sad to see the state of affairs over there. But if that's how it is over there, I'm glad they don't come over here too frequently.
On December 14 2023 01:23 vg162 wrote: First of all, I don't know what RaPiD is guilty of besides being a great guy and a pillar of the community but secondly
come on man. seriously guys? come on. really? you're leaving this thread up? for real? yeeeeesh
He’s not a pillar of the community. He’s not even a bad member of the community, he’s not a member of the community at all. He went radio silent and ghosted the community for 3 years.
On December 12 2023 06:50 ZakRoM wrote: Saying all westerners are weirdos is like saying all Polish are like Julia, honestly I would think the second is worst lol, but we know none of the both are true. Regarding Rapid there's plenty of evidence, from LoL and from BW, that he did creppy and wrong things, so why do people keep thinking he's been blame for nothing?
Where is it? The OP only has witness testimony of no credibility whatsoever, that could be interpreted as inappropriate or not.
No credibility... because you say so?
Actually, forget it. Hope you feel the crusade is successful
What crusade? We are asking a simple explanation on why it's ok to allow someone without integrity to be apart of our scene. We don't want the mental gymnastics of justifying why this behavior is ok because it wasn't proven. A simple "no I didn't send my dick pictures to women", or "yes I did, and I see that it is the wrong thing to do and I'll try to do better."
What we didn't want was a person who didn't say anything and hoped we would forget the whole situation and just forgive him. He hurt BSL, he hurt ZZZero, and he hurt women. He didn't physically touch them but he did make them fear for their saftey.
On December 14 2023 01:23 vg162 wrote: First of all, I don't know what RaPiD is guilty of besides being a great guy and a pillar of the community but secondly
come on man. seriously guys? come on. really? you're leaving this thread up? for real? yeeeeesh
He’s not a pillar of the community. He’s not even a bad member of the community, he’s not a member of the community at all. He went radio silent and ghosted the community for 3 years.
And that’s because many reputable known community members called out his sexual harassment.
Just because those who brought a spotlight to this behavior aren’t known here, doesn’t mean they’re not reputable. I think over 10+ women came out about Reid with 0 reason to lie or make this up. He’s not a huge community figure, (men always think women are trying to tear down [which is also generally a bulls**t response].).He’s a part time brood war commentator with 0 prospects. There was nothing to gain bringing this up.
Reid is a bad person. He should not be in the scene.
And hearing so much defense reminds me why I also left the scene.
On December 14 2023 04:14 FlaShFTW wrote:Pretty sad to see the state of affairs over there. But if that's how it is over there, I'm glad they don't come over here too frequently.
I'm afraid maybenexttime is not accurate in his statements. Most of that thread is just commenting on results, rest is discussing this topic but I don't see any incel like comments.
Yes there's some local trolling folklore in netwars community, but if you stay away from football thread and few others it's filled with adults with families, passionate about gaming. I don't want to continue off topic here but I'll respond to DMs if needed.
On December 14 2023 04:14 FlaShFTW wrote:Pretty sad to see the state of affairs over there. But if that's how it is over there, I'm glad they don't come over here too frequently.
I'm afraid maybenexttime is not accurate in his statements. Most of that thread is just commenting on results, rest is discussing this topic but I don't see any incel like comments.
Yes there's some local trolling folklore in netwars community, but if you stay away from football thread and few others it's filled with adults with families, passionate about gaming. I don't want to continue off topic here but I'll respond to DMs if needed.
Roughly half of the comments since yesterday are about the Rapid drama. That's a lot, considering it's a live report thread. And FlaShFTW can easily translate the comments in Polish to get the general sentiment. So how exactly am I inaccurate?
On December 14 2023 04:14 FlaShFTW wrote:Pretty sad to see the state of affairs over there. But if that's how it is over there, I'm glad they don't come over here too frequently.
I'm afraid maybenexttime is not accurate in his statements. Most of that thread is just commenting on results, rest is discussing this topic but I don't see any incel like comments.
Yes there's some local trolling folklore in netwars community, but if you stay away from football thread and few others it's filled with adults with families, passionate about gaming. I don't want to continue off topic here but I'll respond to DMs if needed.
Roughly half of the comments since yesterday are about the Rapid drama. That's a lot, considering it's a live report thread. And FlaShFTW can easily translate the comments in Polish to get the general sentiment. So how exactly am I inaccurate?
Pretty much how I feel. Even if google translate isnt the most accurate, even if the comments taken as a whole are representative of the views of NW, it speaks volumes for how that forum chooses to conduct itself. The fact that they also are practically brigading into the two Rapid-related threads to defend him so vigorously is also another testament to what goes on in that forum. I don't see any Teamliquid members going there to argue.
On December 13 2023 15:18 NakaBW wrote:majority of your audience
Bold statement that few commenting here are majority of viewers.
Not really, this forum may house a small number of the community but plenty of discussion about it in discord and other places. The world is a lot larger than Russia and Poland
And it doesn't change the fact that if your shilling for money to pay for your tournament you should probably try to not upset a portion of your player base even if it's only 20% but I would wager the number is much higher.
I'm honestly baffled by the number of Polish people coming in support of Rapid. I'm guessing most of them might be brigading from NetWars. I hope this is more representative of their community, which judging from the thread on this topic (https://netwars.pl/temat/181816) is an incel cesspit, than our society at large. Also funny how WolFix considers sending dick pics to minors normal.
Pretty insane the comments I'm reading on there. Rus_Brain clearly doubling down on his commitment to Rapid. Also some insane lines like "I personally don't give two fucks if someone killed another person as long as that person will not hurt me." The fuck are the standards over there?
It's what 25 years of being a toxic echo chamber gets you. It was rather toxic when I first got into BW some 15 years ago. Seems like it's been sliding downward the whole time. It's not just misogynists, the forum is full of far-right supporters, anti-vaxxers, people supporting Russia, etc.
Honestly, it's surprising that there are some decent people left there, lol.
Certainly not been my experience of Poles over here, or many TL regulars from there who post more thoughtfully in a second tongue than I do in my own.
Methinks it’s something of a jumping on anything that resembles ‘cancel culture’ and the kind of adjacency to that, more than anything representative. And people are always more energised if they have an axe to grind, I mean are people as liable to bother registering for a forum just to go ‘hey I broadly agree’?
Hey as my post count indicates, I practically live here. That there’s such a disconnect in opinion between regulars whose names I instantly recognise, sometimes just reading a post without even checking the nick, and low post number lurkers/new accs kinda indicates some redirection from elsewhere specifically to argue on this topic.
Of course there are cultural differences on these kind of topics. For those familiar with football (soccer *shudders*) there was a pretty clear divide between British/European fans, and those from further afield on whether Manchester United should keep or sack Mason Grewnwood.
But I don’t really think there’s some massive disconnect between where I am and Poland on the topic more broadly, and there’s plenty of the same victim blaming and ‘skepticism’ from Brits and Irish too. So being pious about the moral superiority of one’s nation is daft to begin with.
On December 13 2023 15:18 NakaBW wrote:majority of your audience
Bold statement that few commenting here are majority of viewers.
Not really, this forum may house a small number of the community but plenty of discussion about it in discord and other places. The world is a lot larger than Russia and Poland
And it doesn't change the fact that if your shilling for money to pay for your tournament you should probably try to not upset a portion of your player base even if it's only 20% but I would wager the number is much higher.
I'm honestly baffled by the number of Polish people coming in support of Rapid. I'm guessing most of them might be brigading from NetWars. I hope this is more representative of their community, which judging from the thread on this topic (https://netwars.pl/temat/181816) is an incel cesspit, than our society at large. Also funny how WolFix considers sending dick pics to minors normal.
Pretty insane the comments I'm reading on there. Rus_Brain clearly doubling down on his commitment to Rapid. Also some insane lines like "I personally don't give two fucks if someone killed another person as long as that person will not hurt me." The fuck are the standards over there?
It's what 25 years of being a toxic echo chamber gets you. It was rather toxic when I first got into BW some 15 years ago. Seems like it's been sliding downward the whole time. It's not just misogynists, the forum is full of far-right supporters, anti-vaxxers, people supporting Russia, etc.
Honestly, it's surprising that there are some decent people left there, lol.
Certainly not been my experience of Poles over here, or many TL regulars from there who post more thoughtfully in a second tongue than I do in my own.
Methinks it’s something of a jumping on anything that resembles ‘cancel culture’ and the kind of adjacency to that, more than anything representative. And people are always more energised if they have an axe to grind, I mean are people as liable to bother registering for a forum just to go ‘hey I broadly agree’?
Hey as my post count indicates, I practically live here. That there’s such a disconnect in opinion between regulars whose names I instantly recognise, sometimes just reading a post without even checking the nick, and low post number lurkers/new accs kinda indicates some redirection from elsewhere specifically to argue on this topic.
Of course there are cultural differences on these kind of topics. For those familiar with football (soccer *shudders*) there was a pretty clear divide between British/European fans, and those from further afield on whether Manchester United should keep or sack Mason Grewnwood.
But I don’t really think there’s some massive disconnect between where I am and Poland on the topic more broadly, and there’s plenty of the same victim blaming and ‘skepticism’ from Brits and Irish too. So being pious about the moral superiority of one’s nation is daft to begin with.
As I mentioned in my earlier post, those people are from NetWars, a Polish BW forum with a long history. What they're posting here is rather mild compared to what they post there.
On December 14 2023 01:23 vg162 wrote: First of all, I don't know what RaPiD is guilty of besides being a great guy and a pillar of the community but secondly
come on man. seriously guys? come on. really? you're leaving this thread up? for real? yeeeeesh
This user should be temp banned for a very obvious troll post
I'm really surprised people reached out to Rapid to cast in the first place; his knowledge is even worse than Tasteless I still remember when he said Snow or Stork's (forgot who) carrier micro was second only to Bisu (who literally never goes carriers) I think there would be hundreds of people who would be better at casting than Rapid (hell, you could probably pick any random A rank player and they would be better), and added to his questionable history (true or not), I'm so surprised BSL would even consider him in the first place (is it because he casted like 4 games in ASL before?)
It would be nice if Eonzerg, Nyoken, Razz and Voddy could cast all non-Tastosis events
On December 14 2023 01:23 vg162 wrote: First of all, I don't know what RaPiD is guilty of besides being a great guy and a pillar of the community but secondly
come on man. seriously guys? come on. really? you're leaving this thread up? for real? yeeeeesh
This user should be temp banned for a very obvious troll post
I'm really surprised people reached out to Rapid to cast in the first place; his knowledge is even worse than Tasteless I still remember when he said Snow or Stork's (forgot who) carrier micro was second only to Bisu (who literally never goes carriers) I think there would be hundreds of people who would be better at casting than Rapid (hell, you could probably pick any random A rank player and they would be better), and added to his questionable history (true or not), I'm so surprised BSL would even consider him in the first place (is it because he casted like 4 games in ASL before?)
It would be nice if Eonzerg, Nyoken, Razz and Voddy could cast all non-Tastosis events
Bisu goes carriers basically every PvT nowadays...............
On December 14 2023 07:45 ruhtraeel wrote: I'm really surprised people reached out to Rapid to cast in the first place; his knowledge is even worse than Tasteless I still remember when he said Snow or Stork's (forgot who) carrier micro was second only to Bisu (who literally never goes carriers)
Bisu goes carriers basically every PvT nowadays...............
Nah I remember that quote sticking out to me too, though I didn't remember who said it. This was several years ago before Bisu had ever shown a ton of skill with them, I think when he was doing that aggressive double shuttle harass style versus Terran.
On December 14 2023 07:45 ruhtraeel wrote: I'm really surprised people reached out to Rapid to cast in the first place; his knowledge is even worse than Tasteless I still remember when he said Snow or Stork's (forgot who) carrier micro was second only to Bisu (who literally never goes carriers)
Bisu goes carriers basically every PvT nowadays...............
Nah I remember that quote sticking out to me too, though I didn't remember who said it. This was several years ago before Bisu had ever shown a ton of skill with them, I think when he was doing that aggressive double shuttle harass style versus Terran.
Was probably me saying something like that during the pre-remastered days on the first few ASLs. Same with Best.
The comment that the guy above is quoting is actually written in English, no translation errors there. He simply means to say that he believes personal affairs are a separate matter to how he views performing a profession.
Plus it's Mistrzzz saying it, give over.
Maybenexttime, who are you? It would be interesting to have some context behind all this trashtalk and generalisation. You seem so proud of being above it all, yet doing exactly the same as people who you criticise.
On December 15 2023 01:37 ShadPro wrote: The comment that the guy above is quoting is actually written in English, no translation errors there. He simply means to say that he believes personal affairs are a separate matter to how he views performing a profession.
Plus it's Mistrzzz saying it, give over.
Maybenexttime, who are you? It would be interesting to have some context behind all this trashtalk and generalisation. You seem so proud of being above it all, yet doing exactly the same as people who you criticise.
What trash talk? What did I say that is factually incorrect?
1st of all, I do take rumors and public topics seriously when they can impact my team or my own reputation. For the reason I take rumors seriously, I allowed myself an extended timeout to let everyone come down. For the reason I do care, I believe I should respond properly.
2nd, I do believe Rapid did as a complete morron.
Before making a proper decision, I have had conversations with other guys and girls (who's identities is my sole liberty not to say), and the sole verdict is that Rapid deserves punishment. Yet, making your life's dumbest actions known to thousands of people who know you is a very good punishment alone.
Perhaps, what he does deserve best is a good (perhaps face damaging) talk with a girl's dad or elder brother.
However, most community members who speak from tl.net tribune are bloodthirsty. Admins of some groups do follow public opinion. Some of these, for example, made Rapid's casting career further impossible. I won't immediately follow. I find it quite an Orwell's crime thought police response, black-and-white of whether one is guilty or not, and thus, is free to go, or should be electric chaired immediately. No defense, no jury, no probation.
Luckily enough, court responses are still weighted to a level of guilt more than to a public noise. One left free, another gets a sentence. Yet, a third one can get a suspended sentence. This means one is free to go, subject to a further breach of probation conditions will get him barred for an extended term. For this reason, I won't expel Rapid from the tournament cast. I leave a chance to regain credibility. As a probation condition, Rapid is coming to Russia at his own expense.
I do respect that it may be troublesome watching Rapid's stream for someone. I find it a solid decision to make a choice of two English streams. Yet, I urge you to respect the depth of my pockets and cover the cost difference. Rapid's flight tickets are $400, and he has a three-year Russian visa done. Check the air flight fare of the one you offer, add ~$200 gross visa expenses, less $400 and you will get the part due from you.
i think this post from 2020 by rus_brain is maybe relevant to all this
edit: to clarify, if you read the rest of that thread it's clear that rapid did not commentate rcg2020 because the offline tournament was moved online because of covid reasons.
1st of all, I do take rumors and public topics seriously when they can impact my team or my own reputation. For the reason I take rumors seriously, I allowed myself an extended timeout to let everyone come down. For the reason I do care, I believe I should respond properly.
2nd, I do believe Rapid did as a complete morron.
Before making a proper decision, I have had conversations with other guys and girls (who's identities is my sole liberty not to say), and the sole verdict is that Rapid deserves punishment. Yet, making your life's dumbest actions known to thousands of people who know you is a very good punishment alone.
Perhaps, what he does deserve best is a good (perhaps face damaging) talk with a girl's dad or elder brother.
However, most community members who speak from tl.net tribune are bloodthirsty. Admins of some groups do follow public opinion. Some of these, for example, made Rapid's casting career further impossible. I won't immediately follow. I find it quite an Orwell's crime thought police response, black-and-white of whether one is guilty or not, and thus, is free to go, or should be electric chaired immediately. No defense, no jury, no probation.
Luckily enough, court responses are still weighted to a level of guilt more than to a public noise. One left free, another gets a sentence. Yet, a third one can get a suspended sentence. This means one is free to go, subject to a further breach of probation conditions will get him barred for an extended term. For this reason, I won't expel Rapid from the tournament cast. I leave a chance to regain credibility. As a probation condition, Rapid is coming to Russia at his own expense.
I do respect that it may be troublesome watching Rapid's stream for someone. I find it a solid decision to make a choice of two English streams. Yet, I urge you to respect the depth of my pockets and cover the cost difference. Rapid's flight tickets are $400, and he has a three-year Russian visa done. Check the air flight fare of the one you offer, add ~$200 gross visa expenses, less $400 and you will get the part due from you.
i think this post from 2020 by rus_brain is maybe relevant to all this
He makes the "difficult" decision to allow Rapid to come, then begs the community to cover the difference when they don't want him. Lol.
Also a probated sentence means that the person is guilty. Yet he still hasn't said anything or demonstrated any kind of progression in his character, which is the whole point of a probated sentence. Apparently making him go to Russia is punishment? What?
I'm honestly baffled by the number of Polish people coming in support of Rapid. I'm guessing most of them might be brigading from NetWars. I hope this is more representative of their community, which judging from the thread on this topic (https://netwars.pl/temat/181816) is an incel cesspit, than our society at large. Also funny how WolFix considers sending dick pics to minors normal.
1st of all: I'll talk only for myself there. Im not supporting anyone in this case. I already had a discussion about it with lucky noob, so u can read how i approach the situation. Im just against sexual witchhunt, until proven, overall. All the time I underline that rapid did a big mistake by not giving any statement, but at the same time it doesnt prove whether he is guilty or not. You can just assumue it is, because hes afraid to speak up or something, but u still cannot know it. All we have are stories. Everyone can tell a story.
2nd: I dont know what being an incel has to do with that, but I have a wife and Im father of 2 if u are interested.
3rd: Can you point out where did I say that sending dick pics to a minor is "normal" or if u cannot point it out apologize for saying lies? Its not fucking normal if u are randomly choosing a person in the internet and u are doing such things. I dont know how true the stories are _because i cannot know that, u can only believe they are or not_, but if he was deciding to randomly show his dick to a girl it was fucked up and ofc he should be condemned for that. Id also like to add that it wouldnt be a first time when women are lying about their "sexual predators". It can be heard all the time all over the world that women are intentionaly falsely accusing men of sexual harassment, rape etc. This is exactly why
4th: I myself would never let him cast before him making a statement and only after that Id decide whether its worth it and _judging by his silence so far, but thats only a guesswork_ it wouldnt be. I generally also made a big post about this exact decision on netwars.
My general approach to this whole situation can be read there and on the netwars as well. Stop using generalizations and accusing me of normalizing pedophilic behaviors, because i despise something like that (and usually if ppl are getting caught doing that - they have serious irl issues, not only being used as a part of stories on the internet).
I'm honestly baffled by the number of Polish people coming in support of Rapid. I'm guessing most of them might be brigading from NetWars. I hope this is more representative of their community, which judging from the thread on this topic (https://netwars.pl/temat/181816) is an incel cesspit, than our society at large. Also funny how WolFix considers sending dick pics to minors normal.
Im just against sexual witchhunt, until proven, overall. All the time I underline that rapid did a big mistake by not giving any statement, but at the same time it doesnt prove whether he is guilty or not. You can just assumue it is, because hes afraid to speak up or something, but u still cannot know it. All we have are stories. Everyone can tell a story.
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3rd: Can you point out where did I say that sending dick pics to a minor is "normal" or if u cannot point it out apologize for saying lies? Its not fucking normal if u are randomly choosing a person in the internet and u are doing such things. I dont know how true the stories are _because i cannot know that, u can only believe they are or not_, but if he was deciding to randomly show his dick to a girl it was fucked up and ofc he should be condemned for that. Id also like to add that it wouldnt be a first time when women are lying about their "sexual predators". It can be heard all the time all over the world that women are intentionaly falsely accusing men of sexual harassment, rape etc. This is exactly why
I fully agree with you that false sexual misconduct accusations are sickening.
However, I find it hard to believe that a random assortment of women from multiple communities and over multiple years would randomly choose to dogpile one random StarCraft caster for no reason, and that his silence following this situation is not indicative of anything. If these accusations were levied against me, I'd fight tooth and nail to make it clear that I did nothing of the sort. I'd upload entire chatlogs in a heartbeat, no matter what other embarrassing details could be found therein. I'd submit my dick into a police line-up against any of the supposed dicks that were sent to the accuser. Why? Because if I didn't do that shit, common sense dictates that I'd not want anyone to believe that I did it. At the very minimum, I'd Tweet "I didn't do any of the heinous things I'm being accused of."
As I mentioned earlier in this thread, what do you truthfully and honestly and logically find more likely: a lot of random women decided to ruin the reputation of some random StarCraft caster when there was no material benefit to them for doing so, or maybe, just maybe, one dude has been a creepy fuck to multiple women? Occam's razor. Do you need a murder weapon to determine that someone is a murderer if twenty people saw them do it? Do you need to see the dickpic in question and compare it to Rapid's dick to believe your daughter if she says he sent her one?
I firmly believe that there is a reason why we are discussing Rapid and not Jealous or Wolfix or anyone more or less prominent than Rapid. This is at least in part because I find it likely that neither one of us have sent pictures of our dicks without consent.
I'm honestly baffled by the number of Polish people coming in support of Rapid. I'm guessing most of them might be brigading from NetWars. I hope this is more representative of their community, which judging from the thread on this topic (https://netwars.pl/temat/181816) is an incel cesspit, than our society at large. Also funny how WolFix considers sending dick pics to minors normal.
1st of all: I'll talk only for myself there. Im not supporting anyone in this case. I already had a discussion about it with lucky noob, so u can read how i approach the situation. Im just against sexual witchhunt, until proven, overall. All the time I underline that rapid did a big mistake by not giving any statement, but at the same time it doesnt prove whether he is guilty or not. You can just assumue it is, because hes afraid to speak up or something, but u still cannot know it. All we have are stories. Everyone can tell a story.
2nd: I dont know what being an incel has to do with that, but I have a wife and Im father of 2 if u are interested.
3rd: Can you point out where did I say that sending dick pics to a minor is "normal" or if u cannot point it out apologize for saying lies? Its not fucking normal if u are randomly choosing a person in the internet and u are doing such things. I dont know how true the stories are _because i cannot know that, u can only believe they are or not_, but if he was deciding to randomly show his dick to a girl it was fucked up and ofc he should be condemned for that. Id also like to add that it wouldnt be a first time when women are lying about their "sexual predators". It can be heard all the time all over the world that women are intentionaly falsely accusing men of sexual harassment, rape etc. This is exactly why
4th: I myself would never let him cast before him making a statement and only after that Id decide whether its worth it and _judging by his silence so far, but thats only a guesswork_ it wouldnt be. I generally also made a big post about this exact decision on netwars.
My general approach to this whole situation can be read there and on the netwars as well. Stop using generalizations and accusing me of normalizing pedophilic behaviors, because i despise something like that (and usually if ppl are getting caught doing that - they have serious irl issues, not only being used as a part of stories on the internet).
Ad 1. If this were an isolated case, I would've agreed with you that there was a chance it's a false accusation. But Rapid got kicked out from two (three? did he get kicked out from SC2 as well?) communities independently after several girls/women accused him of sexual harassment and/or being a creep. What's more likely - that he was being a creep or that there's some grand conspiracy to ruin his life?
Ad 2. I didn't call you specifically an incel. Just the general vibe at NetWars. In the thread I linked most people are staunchly defending sexual harassment. If you go to other threads, there's quite a lot of redpill talking points.
Ad 3. Post #90:
The only thing I would expect from Rapid is an explanation and his point of view. I generally think most "normal" ppl have problem with exactly that rather than his behavior.
The guy was sending unsolicited dick photos to girls, including minors, which according to you is something normal people don't have an issue with.
Ja mam na to totalnie wyjebane, ale oczywiście, że zachodnie lewaki będą robiły awanturę. Jedyne co mnie razi w oczy to brak reakcji rapida te 3 czy ile lat temu. Ani się do tego nie odniósł, ani nikogo nie zwyzywał. Po prostu zniknął wraz z ogłoszeniem przez zero, że zrywa z nim współpracę.
Here you're saying that even if the allegations are true, you don't personally give a shit.
Ad 4. To be specific, you made a giant post on how whiteknighting leftist idiots on TL are losing their shit, saying that ZZZero should have either ignored the backlash or not invited Rapid in the first place. Quite different from what you're saying here.
On December 15 2023 01:37 ShadPro wrote: The comment that the guy above is quoting is actually written in English, no translation errors there. He simply means to say that he believes personal affairs are a separate matter to how he views performing a profession.
Plus it's Mistrzzz saying it, give over.
Maybenexttime, who are you? It would be interesting to have some context behind all this trashtalk and generalisation. You seem so proud of being above it all, yet doing exactly the same as people who you criticise.
What trash talk? What did I say that is factually incorrect?
" It's not just misogynists, the forum is full of far-right supporters, anti-vaxxers, people supporting Russia, etc."
Unless you have any facts, which should would could show frequent behavior of this nature by majority of users. I can make an equally retarded statement like this about TLnet.
On December 15 2023 01:37 ShadPro wrote: The comment that the guy above is quoting is actually written in English, no translation errors there. He simply means to say that he believes personal affairs are a separate matter to how he views performing a profession.
Plus it's Mistrzzz saying it, give over.
Maybenexttime, who are you? It would be interesting to have some context behind all this trashtalk and generalisation. You seem so proud of being above it all, yet doing exactly the same as people who you criticise.
What trash talk? What did I say that is factually incorrect?
" It's not just misogynists, the forum is full of far-right supporters, anti-vaxxers, people supporting Russia, etc."
Unless you have any facts, which should would could show frequent behavior of this nature by majority of users. I can make an equally retarded statement like this about TLnet.
I mean you really can’t seriously make that accusation about TL. Well you can but nobody with basic observational faculties would take it remotely seriously.
The thing I find the most bizarre is multiple people saying that there is solid evidence, multiple women confirmed it and it is impossible for them not to be 100% truthful. All of it whilst it literally happened on HUNDREDS of occasions within the last 3 years in pop culture - I am not saying it did here, but stop being so naive rofl
On December 15 2023 01:37 ShadPro wrote: The comment that the guy above is quoting is actually written in English, no translation errors there. He simply means to say that he believes personal affairs are a separate matter to how he views performing a profession.
Plus it's Mistrzzz saying it, give over.
Maybenexttime, who are you? It would be interesting to have some context behind all this trashtalk and generalisation. You seem so proud of being above it all, yet doing exactly the same as people who you criticise.
What trash talk? What did I say that is factually incorrect?
" It's not just misogynists, the forum is full of far-right supporters, anti-vaxxers, people supporting Russia, etc."
Unless you have any facts, which should would could show frequent behavior of this nature by majority of users. I can make an equally retarded statement like this about TLnet.
I mean you really can’t seriously make that accusation about TL. Well you can but nobody with basic observational faculties would take it remotely seriously.
I didn't say THAT accusation, I said EQUALLY retarded - meaning a generalisation based on a single, controversial subject. And if you want to find antivaxxers and such I am sure you can find some in the 80k us politics topics.
On December 15 2023 07:34 ShadPro wrote: The thing I find the most bizarre is multiple people saying that there is solid evidence, multiple women confirmed it and it is impossible for them not to be 100% truthful. All of it whilst it literally happened on HUNDREDS of occasions within the last 3 years in pop culture - I am not saying it did here, but stop being so naive rofl
On December 15 2023 07:34 ShadPro wrote: The thing I find the most bizarre is multiple people saying that there is solid evidence, multiple women confirmed it and it is impossible for them not to be 100% truthful. All of it whilst it literally happened on HUNDREDS of occasions within the last 3 years in pop culture - I am not saying it did here, but stop being so naive rofl
What are the hundreds of occasions. Or like...ten, that should be easy to come up with if there's hundreds.
Ad 1. If this were an isolated case, I would've agreed with you that there was a chance it's a false accusation. But Rapid got kicked out from two (three? did he get kicked out from SC2 as well?) communities independently after several girls/women accused him of sexual harassment and/or being a creep. What's more likely - that he was being a creep or that there's some grand conspiracy to ruin his life?
Ad 2. I didn't call you specifically an incel. Just the general vibe at NetWars. In the thread I linked most people are staunchly defending sexual harassment. If you go to other threads, there's quite a lot of redpill talking points.
The only thing I would expect from Rapid is an explanation and his point of view. I generally think most "normal" ppl have problem with exactly that rather than his behavior.
The guy was sending unsolicited dick photos to girls, including minors, which according to you is something normal people don't have an issue with.
Ja mam na to totalnie wyjebane, ale oczywiście, że zachodnie lewaki będą robiły awanturę. Jedyne co mnie razi w oczy to brak reakcji rapida te 3 czy ile lat temu. Ani się do tego nie odniósł, ani nikogo nie zwyzywał. Po prostu zniknął wraz z ogłoszeniem przez zero, że zrywa z nim współpracę.
Here you're saying that even if the allegations are true, you don't personally give a shit.
Ad 4. To be specific, you made a giant post on how whiteknighting leftist idiots on TL are losing their shit, saying that ZZZero should have either ignored the backlash or not invited Rapid in the first place. Quite different from what you're saying here.
1: I have no idea of his full history of being kicked out from various communities except i heard other ppl saying so. Basically, I dont know the details. Like I said. Not giving any explanations is only doing him harm from the very beginning of this case.
2: Sure, but thats is so stupid of an argument. I can say the same and tell u that i think the less contacts the guy had with women overall the more likely they are to whiteknight on the internet. I dont think following "redpill" is inherently bad. Its surely better than threating women like saint beings that never lie.
3: About #90: No. I wasnt exactly having in mind sending dick pics to random ppl. Im just very sceptical about the stories being fully true and him being the pure evil. Its not a rare thing that girl is flirting with a guy and then making a creep out of him. Of course if he confessed Id look at it differently and maybe he did all these things and he is guilty and thats why he doesnt say a word, but I simply _dont know_. Rus_Brain in #91 also said that Rapid gave them explanations/statement offline and they accepted it I guess? Im myself curious about that.
About #84. You are twisting my words there. I didnt say that if it is true then i dont give a fuck. I said I dont give a fuck right now, because in my eyes there are no proofs which is something i already explained in various posts.
4: Yeah and in the same post I also said how it was Rapid and _organizers_ fault for letting him cast. Its not different from what im saying here at all. And i still stand by my thoughts I had back then about zero that he should never let him cast in the first place or he should let him continue. Back then I didnt know that Zero kinda didnt know/let him cast by mistake. Nobody really thought that this is happening without explicit approval from Zero. Now ofc, knowing that it wasnt conscious decision, I think he did right by not letting him cast on day 2 and 3.
On December 15 2023 01:37 ShadPro wrote: The comment that the guy above is quoting is actually written in English, no translation errors there. He simply means to say that he believes personal affairs are a separate matter to how he views performing a profession.
Plus it's Mistrzzz saying it, give over.
Maybenexttime, who are you? It would be interesting to have some context behind all this trashtalk and generalisation. You seem so proud of being above it all, yet doing exactly the same as people who you criticise.
What trash talk? What did I say that is factually incorrect?
" It's not just misogynists, the forum is full of far-right supporters, anti-vaxxers, people supporting Russia, etc."
Unless you have any facts, which should would could show frequent behavior of this nature by majority of users. I can make an equally retarded statement like this about TLnet.
Give me a fucking break...
The Bombastic anniversary thread is full of people either defending sexual harassment or saying it's not a big deal, all the while shitting on "western leftist idiots from TL". Open a random political discussion thread and it's typically a shitshow with far-right idiots running amok. In the most recent one, there's a whole lot of people defending Braun's antisemitic attack. Not to mention the blatantly antisemitic language which nobody seems to even notice ("aj waje", "pejsaci", "zydki"). As for the pandemic, there's a poll in which 40% said they did not get the vaccine. I can't be bothered to look up the threads. I had a look yesterday and conspiratorial nonsense was rather rampant. As for the war in Ukraine, Kremlin shills seem to be in the minority, but there's quite a few of them for a country where some 99% of the population has a negative opinion on Russia.
On December 15 2023 01:37 ShadPro wrote: The comment that the guy above is quoting is actually written in English, no translation errors there. He simply means to say that he believes personal affairs are a separate matter to how he views performing a profession.
Plus it's Mistrzzz saying it, give over.
Maybenexttime, who are you? It would be interesting to have some context behind all this trashtalk and generalisation. You seem so proud of being above it all, yet doing exactly the same as people who you criticise.
What trash talk? What did I say that is factually incorrect?
" It's not just misogynists, the forum is full of far-right supporters, anti-vaxxers, people supporting Russia, etc."
Unless you have any facts, which should would could show frequent behavior of this nature by majority of users. I can make an equally retarded statement like this about TLnet.
Give me a fucking break...
The Bombastic anniversary thread is full of people either defending sexual harassment or saying it's not a big deal, all the while shitting on "western leftist idiots from TL". Open a random political discussion thread and it's typically a shitshow with far-right idiots running amok. In the most recent one, there's a whole lot of people defending Braun's antisemitic attack. Not to mention the blatantly antisemitic language which nobody seems to even notice ("aj waje", "pejsaci", "zydki"). As for the pandemic, there's a poll in which 40% said they did not get the vaccine. I can't be bothered to look up the threads. I had a look yesterday and conspiratorial nonsense was rather rampant. As for the war in Ukraine, Kremlin shills seem to be in the minority, but there's quite a few of them for a country where some 99% of the population has a negative opinion on Russia.
Please quote the "the full of people". Counted 3 across 200 posts.
I don't read politics threads, but I believe that there is a party in the parliament which maybe didn't publicly support it but most of it's voters do, and it has over 7% of seats. How does that compare to your figures? Or is it 3 people as well. People don't usually get banned there for insults, hence the language.
Not getting the vaccine doesn't mean you are an antivaxxer either, once again an opinion based on making incorrect assumptions based on micro data set.
Looks like you are very eagerly trying to prove something to yourself. Generalising, insulting, cherry picking.
On December 15 2023 07:34 ShadPro wrote: The thing I find the most bizarre is multiple people saying that there is solid evidence, multiple women confirmed it and it is impossible for them not to be 100% truthful. All of it whilst it literally happened on HUNDREDS of occasions within the last 3 years in pop culture - I am not saying it did here, but stop being so naive rofl
Okay. Many of my DIRECT FRIENDS that I KNOW have said this about Rapid.
There is literally no reason to lie about an insignificant caster like Rapid who casts tournaments to 100 people. Even if there was, it’s ridiculously stupid to think tons of women saying the same thing are all lying for your stupid conspiracy idea.
The logic that you men come up with to think women are lying to protect what, rapid? The dude who doesn’t play brood war and has self-resigned himself to the void?
On December 15 2023 07:34 ShadPro wrote: The thing I find the most bizarre is multiple people saying that there is solid evidence, multiple women confirmed it and it is impossible for them not to be 100% truthful. All of it whilst it literally happened on HUNDREDS of occasions within the last 3 years in pop culture - I am not saying it did here, but stop being so naive rofl
I agree that false allegations are serious and people who make them about serious matters like sexual abuse or grooming or whatever it maybe be should be punished. But Rapid never even made an attempt to make a response denying allegations or post chat logs or some sort of proof of his innocence. He ran away, why? These women never had to post 100% proof because Rapid went silent, he was probably smart enough to realize if he denied it they’d come at him with enough proof to bury him even more, embarrass him more than he already was and make him an obvious liar. I don’t know why you keep repeating this whole “women make false claims in these situations often” type of argument when Rapid never even tried to deny the allegations or defend himself.
On December 15 2023 07:34 ShadPro wrote: The thing I find the most bizarre is multiple people saying that there is solid evidence, multiple women confirmed it and it is impossible for them not to be 100% truthful. All of it whilst it literally happened on HUNDREDS of occasions within the last 3 years in pop culture - I am not saying it did here, but stop being so naive rofl
Okay. Many of my DIRECT FRIENDS that I KNOW have said this about Rapid.
There is literally no reason to lie about an insignificant caster like Rapid who casts tournaments to 100 people. Even if there was, it’s ridiculously stupid to think tons of women saying the same thing are all lying for your stupid conspiracy idea.
The logic that you men come up with to think women are lying to protect what, rapid? The dude who doesn’t play brood war and has self-resigned himself to the void?
How much do you people hate women, my god
Can you please go into specifics or more details on this if anything comes to mind:
Okay. Many of my DIRECT FRIENDS that I KNOW have said this about Rapid.
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I assume he was not on anyone's radar before the Day 1 casting, so it's been a long time since any of this has been discussed.
On December 15 2023 07:34 ShadPro wrote: The thing I find the most bizarre is multiple people saying that there is solid evidence, multiple women confirmed it and it is impossible for them not to be 100% truthful. All of it whilst it literally happened on HUNDREDS of occasions within the last 3 years in pop culture - I am not saying it did here, but stop being so naive rofl
Okay. Many of my DIRECT FRIENDS that I KNOW have said this about Rapid.
There is literally no reason to lie about an insignificant caster like Rapid who casts tournaments to 100 people. Even if there was, it’s ridiculously stupid to think tons of women saying the same thing are all lying for your stupid conspiracy idea.
The logic that you men come up with to think women are lying to protect what, rapid? The dude who doesn’t play brood war and has self-resigned himself to the void?
How much do you people hate women, my god
Well that's terrible man, give us some more details, unless you are expecting us to just once again take your word for it.
I not once stated that anyone lies either. In such cases your perception of words and actions can grow different over time. You only now may see an issue with something that happened years ago, which is fine. Or you may be driven into such conclusion by group conformity, whether to stand up for your peers, or to feel heard, or you want publicity. Once again, no one is protecting Rapid. I am just asking for a single piece of tangible evidence in the era of Internet, which I haven't seen yet.
Allaryce and Theresa Gaffney are my friends. I have heard other stories offline that I cannot share.
And to be clear, I’ve hung out with Reid in person many times. I have had him cast with me. But when I heard these many stories from people I trust it instantly clicked and made sense why he has a weird off aura about him.
The fact that Reid/Rapid has been both absent and radio silent for years and then has made a sudden unannounced return to casting SC without addressing a single one of the allegations has raised a number of eyebrows at the very least.
If I were in his shoes, and if I had a valid reason to remain silent for years and leave the SC community, and if I wanted to return back to casting SC, then I'd make absolutely damn sure that any potential "witch hunt" would be completely suffocated so that I couldn't be immediately driven out of the community (in quite a humiliating fashion). I'd make myself heard and address every single one of the serious allegations, that's the most logical thing to do. I wouldn't silently sneak back into casting (a behavior, by the way, that is consistent with the allegations of sexual/romantic manipulation, handling the SC community at large in a similarly manipulative and ignorant way). In Reid's shoes, I would also certainly not remain silent after the allegations were brought back up (as they are now). So with a reputation to defend, Reid's actions don't add up if he's innocent. Not saying that he is guilty, just saying that his actions make it very hard to believe that he isn't.
After reading all of the publicly available allegations I don't think I have enough evidence to strictly call him guilty (as per the standard of a court, including a civil court), but I think there's enough for him to remain banned until he comes out with his side of the story. In fact at this point maintaining the ban is doing him a favor, I'd argue. Reid is practically destroying his own reputation by staying silent about the allegations while at the same time attempting to return to casting.
On December 15 2023 11:27 SchAmToo wrote: How much do you people hate women, my god
Just spare yourself the effort and don't bother delving on the topic. Now, it just so happened that I'm seeing a Californian girl and she's a wonderful person. My point is that she developed this inexplicable liking towards me and she wants to improve my deprived character. So she's constantly accusing me of misogyny when I speak or act. Now I'm way more conscious about it and I see how she's right and I'm slowly making changes yet she has just scratched the surface. Maybe not all bulgarian men are like me, idk. I just think making online people aware of their own misogyny is like Sisyphus' efforts. I'm off and I wish you all the best.
Allaryce and Theresa Gaffney are my friends. I have heard other stories offline that I cannot share.
And to be clear, I’ve hung out with Reid in person many times. I have had him cast with me. But when I heard these many stories from people I trust it instantly clicked and made sense why he has a weird off aura about him.
It was exactly the same for me as well. I know exactly how you feel here for sure.
I commend the TL collective for raising and emphasizing the issue, and I genuinely believe that a solution is at hand. I apologize for not being able to interject and offer comments during the intense discussion stage earlier, as I had other pressing matters to attend to. This LAN occurred amidst a busy festive schedule and followed several business trips.
Having thoroughly reviewed the topic, I must admit that a significant portion of its elements are beyond my comprehension. This could be attributed to the complexity of the subject, mutex statements, differences in culture and mindset, or my lack of experience living in an English-speaking country. Consequently, I may lack knowledge of modern trends and terminology used here that are not related to my academic studies or business field.
I would ask the team, which has already invested a considerable amount of time in research and statements earlier, to put forth a smal additional effort and consider scheduling a meeting with anyone proper and fit who can contribute to developing a robust solution with me. Such a person might then provide a success report to the public. Please PM me via the most expedient messenger.
Why? Why do you care so much? He can’t cast and he uses any platform you give him to harass women. It’s not a cultural issue, it’s just common sense. If he was a shepherd who couldn’t keep track of his sheep and kept showing people his dick you’d not keep trying to give him more. If he was a construction worker who did shoddy work while jerking off at people you’d not keep hiring him for jobs.
I refuse to believe that in Russian culture you give people jobs that they’re bad at as long as they also harass women at work.
Indeed! I inferred that this matter have already been discussed sufficiently in 2020 during the RCG period, but it's possible that the concept was miscommunicated. Regarding the Thai Lan incident, it's possible that allowing access to a microphone may have been a negligence.
The main objective here is to proactively address any future issues stemming from these fundamental differences. However, I believe that the most productive approach would be to have a face-to-face discussion rather than engaging in keyboard fightings.
Cut the crap Rus. This is just feigning ignorance and belittling the whole situation. We already know how you feel about it evidenced by your true thoughts over on NW.
As a native Russian speaker who is fluent in English and has significant exposure to both cultures, I am more than willing to present the most pertinent arguments presented to Rus_Brain in a way that is both linguistically and culturally cognizant, with a recording of said conversation, if there is ample interest in that happening.
Based on the responses so far, that doesn't seem to be the case, but if others think it may be helpful, feel free to indicate so here. A brief list of summarized points about the issue - presented as if explaining the issue to a child, "ELI5" style - would be helpful, as I don't want to put my own words into the situation. My aim would be to try to be an unbiased interpreter/translator, despite my own already-vocalized thoughts on the matter.
It's not even accountability, he's just not a good caster. Even if he didn't show his dick to girls he wouldn't be a good candidate to cast BSL events because he doesn't play or understand BW.
That's what makes this whole thing so weird. Why is this even a discussion? If he wasn't qualified before he started showing people his dick then I can only conclude that to a section of the scbw community it's the 30cm dong that makes him qualified. But you don't need to have him on Twitch hosting BSL events for that. If you want the dong then he'll show you the dong. I'd say "just ask" but let's be honest, you don't have to ask, he'll just whip it out, whether you want him to or not.
This thread always screams style over substance to me. Many formal words over such a straightforward matter. It's clear that Mr Rus Brain here
(a) doesn't take Rapid's allegation as serious as most of the community does,
(b) sees that Rapid can bring some values to his LAN event, i.e. escort a progamer and can cast to some extent (better having one than nothing),
(c) it's his money and his tournament, so he doesn't give a shit about what some guys behind keyboards on the other side of the planet are saying in a dead forum, so he does what he deems right
(d) won't be convinced by any of you especially those who come from a western ideology
This thread always screams style over substance to me. Many formal words over such a straightforward matter. It's clear that Mr Rus Brain here
(a) doesn't take Rapid's allegation as serious as most of the community does,
(b) sees that Rapid can bring some values to his LAN event, i.e. escort a progamer and can cast to some extent (better having one than nothing),
(c) it's his money and his tournament, so he doesn't give a shit about what some guys behind keyboards on the other side of the planet are saying in a dead forum, so he does what he deems right
(d) won't be convinced by any of you especially those who come from a western ideology
(e) dares you to confront him face to face.
There, laid out in bare words for you guys.
Well he clearly cares enough to address the issue here and in other threads and forums (unlike Rapid), which I appreciate.
Of course it is his prerogative to do as he pleases with the events he's funding.
IF indeed nobody is getting convinced there is little point in arguing. We can agree to disagree on where the line should be.
I wouldn't dare go against Brain as a "Dumb lizard" which he so eloquent put as his first response here. Jealous however has stepped up to the challenge and it may be interesting to see the back and forth if anything new would be said or achieved by this, which would mainly be this not happening in the future I guess.
I think for future refence no matter who the person is, or how much or little their contribution to an event is people would have questions about unresolved matters. So either address it prior the event (in the event thread) or as in this case after. So everyone knows what they are in for.
Somehow 99.9999% of people in the community have figured out how not to be involved in such controversy. This leads me to believe it can't be that hard.
On December 28 2023 18:41 TMNT wrote: This thread always screams style over substance to me. Many formal words over such a straightforward matter. It's clear that Mr Rus Brain here
(a) doesn't take Rapid's allegation as serious as most of the community does,
(b) sees that Rapid can bring some values to his LAN event, i.e. escort a progamer and can cast to some extent (better having one than nothing),
(c) it's his money and his tournament, so he doesn't give a shit about what some guys behind keyboards on the other side of the planet are saying in a dead forum, so he does what he deems right
(d) won't be convinced by any of you especially those who come from a western ideology
(e) dares you to confront him face to face.
There, laid out in bare words for you guys.
That’s the impression I got as well.
And from reading the posts from that other forum, it seems they actually want Rapid to cast, because it pisses off the western viewers. Like some war on western standards or something.
rusbrain (or any event organiser) is free to do whatever they like with regards to whoever they work with, but then they cannot come and complain about possible boycotts/shortage of donation/stopping of collaboration with others.
One is the natural consequence of the other. It is very clear where everyone basically lies on the topic and actions will be taken accordingly if there is a next time.
TMNT's post is on point except part c) because they did come and troll but also complain we were destroying BSL. Cant have it both ways, get Rapid to your event and be boycotted.
At least I appreciate RusBrain s straightforwardness in this after the initial low effort posts, so props to him even if we clearly are on different sides of the issue it is still to be lauded.
On December 28 2023 18:41 TMNT wrote: This thread always screams style over substance to me. Many formal words over such a straightforward matter. It's clear that Mr Rus Brain here
(a) doesn't take Rapid's allegation as serious as most of the community does,
(b) sees that Rapid can bring some values to his LAN event, i.e. escort a progamer and can cast to some extent (better having one than nothing),
(c) it's his money and his tournament, so he doesn't give a shit about what some guys behind keyboards on the other side of the planet are saying in a dead forum, so he does what he deems right
(d) won't be convinced by any of you especially those who come from a western ideology
(e) dares you to confront him face to face.
There, laid out in bare words for you guys.
Yeah, it's his money. It's also our viewership and attention. He has a right to continue to bring Rapid to his events. We have the right to point out how dumbass it is to do something like that and not watch/support his tournaments and events.
Dead forum btw but you're still on here posting. Not sure which is worse.
Dead is more a figure of saying or how Rus Brain sees us,rather than actually dead. The SC2 section is still doing well and this place is still the de facto home for foreign BW news and announcements.
On the topic, I guess what I want to say is, at this point all "diplomatic" talks are just futile. He doesn't give a shit and will do what he likes to. You either boycott events associated with him (if any) or just move on. Most of the players will probably just pretend they know nothing.
On December 29 2023 22:49 Poegim wrote: Not sure who is more stupid, Rapid for what he did or ppl who want a life sentence for him due to that. #popcorn
We should leave all things BW to BW and all things personal to someone's personal life, but If someone does this to players/workers involved in the tournament, they should be told to stop and if they don't, they should be removed. Not more difficult than that.
He has not come forward to explain himself nor has he done anything to redeem himself. As a result he has not earned a second chance. As a caster you are a spokesperson and representative of the community you cast for. For that community it is very very bad to be represented by an individual with a trackrecord of harassment and abuse of power that comes with their role. Natutally you never give someone like that same position or power ever again, because they have already proven to not be worthy of it.
in addition, if you as an organizer decide to include in your event a k nown sexual harasser, abuser or offender, you are by extension also responsible for any action that person undertakes at your event. If he sexually harasses or abuses anyone at YOUR event then YOU as the host are also at fault. DO NOT take that risk of ENABLING a potential sex offender, harasser or abuser by knowingly placing them in an environment where there are potential victims to prey on. Anyone who you invited to BSL LAN and their families could have been harassed or worse by Rapid at that event. If that had happened Rus_Brain would have been responsible because he invited Rapid.
Does Rapid deserve another chance? maybe someday, but that time was not at BSL. Not now and not anytime soon. Not until he has gone through all the steps of proving to the entire community he betrayed that he is a changed person who has gone through all the pubishment for all his actions.
also dont forget his starcraft caster career was his second chance after he fled the league community. He commited he same acts after getting that second chance. The chances are high he will do the exact same thing again on his third chance and fourth chance.
another issue. Because Rus_Brain has shown to lack the proper judgement not to invite a sex harasser/offender, can the community trust him with future event invites? The chance exists he will invite someone else who is banned from the community to a future event. Or maybe someone with a violent history? This whole debacle raises the question: can we trust Rus_Brain not to invite people who have a bad history?
It's not like he even changed careers or made any effort to explain or redeem himself, he just thought or hoped we'd all forget I guess. He's currently working for "AMX Global" on some racing sim league, which looks to be either the product of some very rich person/people with niche interests, or some kind of scam, but still involves working with content creators and streamers, which seems VERY MUCH like something Rapid should not be doing, certainly not without strict oversight, given his history.
You can see him casting here:
It's not okay to have him involved in any community event, and whether or not you "put him in front of the camera" doesn't change that. He shouldn't be there, period. I don't give a fuck if he brings 30 progamers with him, none of that is worth the shit that he put other people through.
On December 30 2023 07:46 tec27 wrote: It's not like he even changed careers or made any effort to explain or redeem himself, he just thought or hoped we'd all forget I guess. He's currently working for "AMX Global" on some racing sim league, which looks to be either the product of some very rich person/people with niche interests, or some kind of scam, but still involves working with content creators and streamers, which seems VERY MUCH like something Rapid should not be doing, certainly not without strict oversight, given his history.
It's not okay to have him involved in any community event, and whether or not you "put him in front of the camera" doesn't change that. He shouldn't be there, period. I don't give a fuck if he brings 30 progamers with him, none of that is worth the shit that he put other people through.
Rapid is and will forever be a risk factor if you decide to involve him. You put other people in danger by having him involved. That is the main issue here.
Everyone, this topic is getting a lot of attention again and I understand why, but please I ask anybody who wishes to post to have a look at what they are posting and think how it will be perceived.
My opinion on this matter has been well known, and those that do not know it can find it in the posts in this and the other topics. Regardless of it, Rus_brain is trying to reach out and speak to the community. This is something that we should congratulate him for and respect the act of doing so. After all the biggest issue I have with rapid is that he has refused to ever acknowledge his actions or talk about them. I do believe we all have our reservations and have made our minds on how Rus feels about this situation after his many posts or his "dumb lizzard " responses. Still, he is trying taking a step in the right direction and it is pointless to attack him for it.
I believe, we can all agree that discussions on this will be fruitless, until Rapid addresses the issue in some public form and opens it for discussion. Well done to Rus for doing what he is doing, but discussions would be pointless right now. if he feels he needs a clarification before accepting this he can ask freely for details over particular points he finds confusing. Jealous can translate and communicate back to him whatever necessary. Finally, if Rus thinks he has new information to bring to the table, let us ask him to do so transparently.
That is all, peace to all and let us present ourselves as a community of grown-ups and not let trolls or emotions get the best of us for either side of this argument.
all im saying is, if this would help to improve his casting to a level where i dont have to mute the stream - we should at least consider it. making him feel more at "home" for those casts could be the key
To be brutally honest he was a bad caster. He lacked basic game knowledge, he tried super hard to be witty and funny but it just came off as cringy. I often muted the stream or shut it off completely when he was casting. This is why I find it so weird that Rus_brain thought it would be a good idea to bring rapid back despite him being a terrible caster and all the sexual abuse allegations around him. Even if he was able to get Sharp to attend, it definitely was not worth it. It was just completely amateur to invite a guy back to represent your brand who has sexual abuse allegations, ran away from the allegations when confronted about it, then casually snaked his way back into a casting role like nothing ever happened and to top it off, he sucked at casting to begin with. I don’t think he should be allowed to cast BSL stuff again mainly based off that he wasn’t good at casting, lots of people seem to agree with that. The sexual allegations just kinda the icing on the cake that he shouldn’t be involved with BSL or probably anything BW casting related .
is it respectable to backtrack on comments made because comments were badly received, and damage control to save ones own reputation because it is the only feasible option to avoid self destruction of ones brand? He is trying to save his brand after publicly attacking others and defending his decisions.
Edit: That aside, Rus_Brain is doing good by reaching out and fixing things.
People are allowed to change their minds and hearts when presented with solid arguments made in good faith.
Casting ability should not have any real bearing on the main issue at hand. Of course if he was the best caster then the "loss" would feel worse. I also think being native speaker was mentioned. I have no problem with non native accents (maybe cuz I got one myself) but some people do.
In Coingate (Flash, Bisu and other top pros being involved in a pump and dump scheme) for example and contrast people issued explanations/apologies to their fanbase.
I am afraid there is a misunderstanding here, guys.
It is not my intention to engage in a dispute or debate about how each of us perceives the situation; nor is it to convince you to change your beliefs or values, or to persuade others to adopt your viewpoint.
My goal is to prevent schism of this community, which is already facing a very certain future of eventual shrinking without the injection of new blood. In order to achieve this, it is necessary to identify a mutually agreeable middle ground. While I may have some thoughts on how to accomplish this, certainty in my understanding of the essense of the calamity is required before offering anything.
Yet, it seems that there is a lack of interest in fostering mutual respect, as no one has reached out to discuss this further.
On January 02 2024 16:34 Rus_Brain wrote: I am afraid there is a misunderstanding here, guys.
It is not my intention to engage in a dispute or debate about how each of us perceives the situation; nor is it to convince you to change your beliefs or values, or to persuade others to adopt your viewpoint.
My goal is to prevent schism of this community, which is already facing a very certain future of eventual shrinking without the injection of new blood. In order to achieve this, it is necessary to identify a mutually agreeable middle ground. While I may have some thoughts on how to accomplish this, certainty in my understanding of the essense of the calamity is required before offering anything.
Yet, it seems that there is a lack of interest in fostering mutual respect, as no one has reached out to discuss this further.
Do not invite dangerous people to LAN events. And if you do please apologize for the mistake. If you invite a dangerous person, players and their family are not safe at your LAN event. Safety is most important.
On January 02 2024 16:34 Rus_Brain wrote: I am afraid there is a misunderstanding here, guys.
It is not my intention to engage in a dispute or debate about how each of us perceives the situation; nor is it to convince you to change your beliefs or values, or to persuade others to adopt your viewpoint.
My goal is to prevent schism of this community, which is already facing a very certain future of eventual shrinking without the injection of new blood. In order to achieve this, it is necessary to identify a mutually agreeable middle ground. While I may have some thoughts on how to accomplish this, certainty in my understanding of the essense of the calamity is required before offering anything.
Yet, it seems that there is a lack of interest in fostering mutual respect, as no one has reached out to discuss this further.
This is a false compromise fallacy. There isn't a middle ground. Don't invite sexual predators to LANs, and then don't try to subsequently defend your decision to bring him.
On January 02 2024 16:34 Rus_Brain wrote: I am afraid there is a misunderstanding here, guys.
It is not my intention to engage in a dispute or debate about how each of us perceives the situation; nor is it to convince you to change your beliefs or values, or to persuade others to adopt your viewpoint.
My goal is to prevent schism of this community, which is already facing a very certain future of eventual shrinking without the injection of new blood. In order to achieve this, it is necessary to identify a mutually agreeable middle ground. While I may have some thoughts on how to accomplish this, certainty in my understanding of the essense of the calamity is required before offering anything.
Yet, it seems that there is a lack of interest in fostering mutual respect, as no one has reached out to discuss this further.
This is a false compromise fallacy. There isn't a middle ground. Don't invite sexual predators to LANs, and then don't try to subsequently defend your decision to bring him.
@ Brain I think you should accept that this is not a situation in which any attempts at diplomacy can change the equation. Rapid is clearly not welcome in the community and yet he chooses to stay silent. Your best option is to put him on a blacklist until he decides to come forward with his version of events.
On January 02 2024 16:34 Rus_Brain wrote: I am afraid there is a misunderstanding here, guys.
It is not my intention to engage in a dispute or debate about how each of us perceives the situation; nor is it to convince you to change your beliefs or values, or to persuade others to adopt your viewpoint.
My goal is to prevent schism of this community, which is already facing a very certain future of eventual shrinking without the injection of new blood. In order to achieve this, it is necessary to identify a mutually agreeable middle ground. While I may have some thoughts on how to accomplish this, certainty in my understanding of the essense of the calamity is required before offering anything.
Yet, it seems that there is a lack of interest in fostering mutual respect, as no one has reached out to discuss this further.
I support your post. I mean all i read from many others are only phrases that seperate people from each other viewpoints even more. Rus brain dousnt want to change our opinion on this topic but he sees a bit further then that. Would be nice to hear after all some more positive thoughts for our way as community.
On January 03 2024 07:28 JimmiC wrote: It could be as simple as, does he bring more viewers/money or less. That is more or less his job if it is less, which seems very likely, than leave him out.
involving Rapid has clearly been a PR disaster. Rus_Brain should've known before hand that it would be. He needs PR agent to go over his ideas and choices before he actually goes through with them. Someone who can tell him "This is a bad idea."
On January 03 2024 07:28 JimmiC wrote: It could be as simple as, does he bring more viewers/money or less. That is more or less his job if it is less, which seems very likely, than leave him out.
involving Rapid has clearly been a PR disaster. Rus_Brain should've known before hand that it would be. He needs PR agent to go over his ideas and choices before he actually goes through with them. Someone who can tell him "This is a bad idea."
JimmiC is correct though. Ultimately Rus's decision comes down to whether inviting Rapid along with however many Korean pros would net him more viewers. Clearly, he thinks so. And if so, good for him. It's not really PR, the raw numbers tell the story.
My goal is to prevent schism of this community, which is already facing a very certain future of eventual shrinking without the injection of new blood.
the community is shrinking so we're recruiting potential child abusers?
Yet, it seems that there is a lack of interest in fostering mutual respect, as no one has reached out to discuss this further.
I believe Rapid gave up his side of mutual respect voluntarily a long time ago
On January 03 2024 07:28 JimmiC wrote: It could be as simple as, does he bring more viewers/money or less. That is more or less his job if it is less, which seems very likely, than leave him out.
involving Rapid has clearly been a PR disaster. Rus_Brain should've known before hand that it would be. He needs PR agent to go over his ideas and choices before he actually goes through with them. Someone who can tell him "This is a bad idea."
JimmiC is correct though. Ultimately Rus's decision comes down to whether inviting Rapid along with however many Korean pros would net him more viewers. Clearly, he thinks so. And if so, good for him. It's not really PR, the raw numbers tell the story.
You can not look at the numbers of the event itself in isolation though, specifically when its attached to a brand. The decisions made put the future of the brand and its future events in danger because of the terrible PR fallout. Also there is no telling if numbers would have been higher or lower because we dont have any recent events to compare this to. The PR fallout and potential loss of future donations to fund events is by itself already a "numbers" disaster. Negative PR affects the numbers.
On January 03 2024 07:28 JimmiC wrote: It could be as simple as, does he bring more viewers/money or less. That is more or less his job if it is less, which seems very likely, than leave him out.
involving Rapid has clearly been a PR disaster. Rus_Brain should've known before hand that it would be. He needs PR agent to go over his ideas and choices before he actually goes through with them. Someone who can tell him "This is a bad idea."
JimmiC is correct though. Ultimately Rus's decision comes down to whether inviting Rapid along with however many Korean pros would net him more viewers. Clearly, he thinks so. And if so, good for him. It's not really PR, the raw numbers tell the story.
You can not look at the numbers of the event itself in isolation though, specifically when its attached to a brand. The decisions made put the future of the brand and its future events in danger because of the terrible PR fallout. Also there is no telling if numbers would have been higher or lower because we dont have any recent events to compare this to. The PR fallout and potential loss of future donations to fund events is by itself already a "numbers" disaster. Negative PR affects the numbers.
Right, that's what I'm saying though. If he projects that viewership will increase with Rapid getting Korean pros to his events, then it's actually in his best interest to keep bringing Rapid to events. That's his decision and ultimately, he's taking a gamble with that decision.
It's possible that Rus has realized that doing so would actually NOT be in his best interest and now he's trying to find some middle ground (as he says himself) to save some face. Who knows at this point.
Please close this thread already lol. Like talking about a pr manager is actually insane. Talking about bringing Sharp to bring viewers is even more insane. like holyshit i bet none of you actually followed that tourney until someone said Rapid was casting it or even after that either lol. Like lets be honest not one really watching a tourney for Sharp. Not even Qikz .Rus Brain doesnt do this lans to bring more viewers. Specially when foreigner BW doesnt bring a real interest. Just look any thread About any foreigner related tourney on TL or reddit. The majority doesnt care.
You can tell that was more a personal enjoyment he has for lans rather than anything else. The problem here is that ZZZero and the BSL brand was put as the face of it. And ZZZero clearly baned rapid from BSL.
I didnt follow this thing either but i imagine the event was streamed on ZZZero stream. But imagine it was only streamed in some other channel. Very few people would have noticed i guess.
But yeah you all running in circles at this point. It is 2024 bro. Move on. Rapid didnt say a thing either. So what is the point really..
Isnt it sad that the most commented sh*t in years is a subject about Rapid ? like wtf we really dont have anything going on.
I wish TL actually bringed TSL back to BW to see if people will care or every thread will be so dead as any other foreign community event.
On January 04 2024 11:42 Rapidcasts wrote: Thank you for listening, and I extend a giant, heartfelt apology to whoever may have felt the pain of my actions. RapidCasting
Contrary to some of the other opinions in this thread, I'm glad you apologized. You may be banned from tournaments but nobody can ban you from loving Broodwar. You still have your Twitch and Youtube channels. You can commentate on games between amateurs on battlenet, games you play yourself, or even put up your own money for a mini tournament.
I believe only in nearing death does life truly take meaning. Your commentating "life" if is at stake here, and it's up to you to make the most meaning out of it in the remaining days. Good luck.
Regarding the allegations, I think it would be nice if you would speak with the allegators [sic] privately if needed. It's them who need a personal apology, not the world, I think.
I guess he wanted to say something but legally can't aknowledge any direct wrongdoing so it ends up sounding like a dismissive "I'm sorry that you feel that way".
On January 04 2024 11:42 Rapidcasts wrote: Dear StarCraft Community,
It is with a heavy heart and a profound sense of remorse that I find myself addressing you after a prolonged absence. The journey I've traversed has been one of personal reflection, pain, and a deep desire for redemption.
In the days when I had the privilege of casting StarCraft and StarCraft 2, our community thrived on the shared love for the game. However, a shadow was cast upon my path when serious accusations emerged, forcing me into a silence that has lingered for far too long. To those who have been affected, I extend an apology that falls short of expressing the weight of my regret, constrained by the complexities of legality.
Recently, I found my way back to the world of StarCraft, a place that holds cherished memories and an enduring connection with all of you. I contributed to a new tournament, worked behind the scenes, and even managed to bring in celebrities to share in the passion that defines our community.
Yet, my return to the casting desk on day one stirred emotions, and rightly so. I failed to address the unresolved accusations, leaving a void that I am acutely aware of. I want to express my deepest apologies for this lapse. It was not an oversight or a disregard for your concerns, but rather a consequence of navigating the intricate web of legal complexities that surround these matters.
The journey I've undertaken since those accusations has been a relentless battle. I've faced not only external scrutiny but the harsh toll it takes on one's own spirit. In an attempt to cope, I made the difficult decision to retreat from parts of my online presence, adding another layer of isolation to an already challenging period.
As I stand before you, I want to be clear — I am sorry for everything. I harbor no desire to see our StarCraft community fractured by accusations or infighting. We are connected by a shared passion for this game, and I genuinely believe in our collective ability to heal, learn, and rebuild.
To anyone who has felt harassed or harmed, my apology is not just a collection of words; it comes from the depths of my being. I can't undo the past, but I am committed to a journey of redemption and learning from my mistakes.
Thank you for listening, and I extend a giant, heartfelt apology to whoever may have felt the pain of my actions.
Hey rapid, stay lost. If league didn’t want you, we definitely don’t want you. You and everyone associated with you should disappear and not come back.
On January 04 2024 11:42 Rapidcasts wrote: Dear StarCraft Community,
It is with a heavy heart and a profound sense of remorse that I find myself addressing you after a prolonged absence. The journey I've traversed has been one of personal reflection, pain, and a deep desire for redemption.
In the days when I had the privilege of casting StarCraft and StarCraft 2, our community thrived on the shared love for the game. However, a shadow was cast upon my path when serious accusations emerged, forcing me into a silence that has lingered for far too long. To those who have been affected, I extend an apology that falls short of expressing the weight of my regret, constrained by the complexities of legality.
Recently, I found my way back to the world of StarCraft, a place that holds cherished memories and an enduring connection with all of you. I contributed to a new tournament, worked behind the scenes, and even managed to bring in celebrities to share in the passion that defines our community.
Yet, my return to the casting desk on day one stirred emotions, and rightly so. I failed to address the unresolved accusations, leaving a void that I am acutely aware of. I want to express my deepest apologies for this lapse. It was not an oversight or a disregard for your concerns, but rather a consequence of navigating the intricate web of legal complexities that surround these matters.
The journey I've undertaken since those accusations has been a relentless battle. I've faced not only external scrutiny but the harsh toll it takes on one's own spirit. In an attempt to cope, I made the difficult decision to retreat from parts of my online presence, adding another layer of isolation to an already challenging period.
As I stand before you, I want to be clear — I am sorry for everything. I harbor no desire to see our StarCraft community fractured by accusations or infighting. We are connected by a shared passion for this game, and I genuinely believe in our collective ability to heal, learn, and rebuild.
To anyone who has felt harassed or harmed, my apology is not just a collection of words; it comes from the depths of my being. I can't undo the past, but I am committed to a journey of redemption and learning from my mistakes.
Thank you for listening, and I extend a giant, heartfelt apology to whoever may have felt the pain of my actions.
With sincere regret, RapidCasting
I can't tell if this is a troll account or actual Rapid. Because this doesn't even address any of the actual allegations. This isa nothingburger of an "apology." Also, what is this nonsensical attempt at being poetic or whatever? Speak like a human being jesus.
Honestly I mean it could just be a troll with a GPT prompt or two, fair point flash. So if it is I guess disregard the rest of my post haha
Are there even legal complexities to consider here?
From what I recall in (various) incidents people came forward with their experiences that they found distressing, Rapid silently departed and that was that. I don’t recall any talk of anyone escalating into realms where legal considerations were a factor.
Hey I might be wrong, either through a lack of knowledge or just bad recollection but it all was filed into the ‘shitty but not illegal’ category of behaviour in my mind, like infidelity or playing a race other than Protoss.
It seems the height of hubris to completely disappear from a community for literally years, complete radio silence and then talk about ‘community healing’
Can only speak for myself but I have no desire for him to burn in the pits of hell for all eternity, equally if the guy shows none of the standard behaviour of somebody who’s genuinely contrite, or even vaguely grasps why this was an issue, why should the community open their arms to embrace him back into the fold?
On January 04 2024 11:42 Rapidcasts wrote: Dear StarCraft Community,
It is with a heavy heart and a profound sense of remorse that I find myself addressing you after a prolonged absence. The journey I've traversed has been one of personal reflection, pain, and a deep desire for redemption.
In the days when I had the privilege of casting StarCraft and StarCraft 2, our community thrived on the shared love for the game. However, a shadow was cast upon my path when serious accusations emerged, forcing me into a silence that has lingered for far too long. To those who have been affected, I extend an apology that falls short of expressing the weight of my regret, constrained by the complexities of legality.
Recently, I found my way back to the world of StarCraft, a place that holds cherished memories and an enduring connection with all of you. I contributed to a new tournament, worked behind the scenes, and even managed to bring in celebrities to share in the passion that defines our community.
Yet, my return to the casting desk on day one stirred emotions, and rightly so. I failed to address the unresolved accusations, leaving a void that I am acutely aware of. I want to express my deepest apologies for this lapse. It was not an oversight or a disregard for your concerns, but rather a consequence of navigating the intricate web of legal complexities that surround these matters.
The journey I've undertaken since those accusations has been a relentless battle. I've faced not only external scrutiny but the harsh toll it takes on one's own spirit. In an attempt to cope, I made the difficult decision to retreat from parts of my online presence, adding another layer of isolation to an already challenging period.
As I stand before you, I want to be clear — I am sorry for everything. I harbor no desire to see our StarCraft community fractured by accusations or infighting. We are connected by a shared passion for this game, and I genuinely believe in our collective ability to heal, learn, and rebuild.
To anyone who has felt harassed or harmed, my apology is not just a collection of words; it comes from the depths of my being. I can't undo the past, but I am committed to a journey of redemption and learning from my mistakes.
Thank you for listening, and I extend a giant, heartfelt apology to whoever may have felt the pain of my actions.
With sincere regret, RapidCasting
I can't tell if this is a troll account or actual Rapid. Because this doesn't even address any of the actual allegations. This isa nothingburger of an "apology." Also, what is this nonsensical attempt at being poetic or whatever? Speak like a human being jesus.
Heavy "self-proclaimed anime protagonist delivers final speech" energy. I wanted to wait until tomorrow to fully address this but the reality is that this flavor is unshakeable.
On January 04 2024 11:42 Rapidcasts wrote: Thank you for listening, and I extend a giant, heartfelt apology to whoever may have felt the pain of my actions. RapidCasting
Contrary to some of the other opinions in this thread, I'm glad you apologized. You may be banned from tournaments but nobody can ban you from loving Broodwar. You still have your Twitch and Youtube channels. You can commentate on games between amateurs on battlenet, games you play yourself, or even put up your own money for a mini tournament.
I believe only in nearing death does life truly take meaning. Your commentating "life" if is at stake here, and it's up to you to make the most meaning out of it in the remaining days. Good luck.
Regarding the allegations, I think it would be nice if you would speak with the allegators [sic] privately if needed. It's them who need a personal apology, not the world, I think.
This is NOT an apology. This is an anonymous post. None of his actual known social network accounts have any posts or videos about the topic or anything else for years. Twitter and youtube have nothing new and the facebook profile is deactivated.
This is about conduct in general and public appearance in the community in particular (regardless of it's size).
Obv troll. Rapid doesn't talk/write like that, chatgpt does. Also Rapid has an account since 2009.
Closing thread wouldn't be a bad thing moving forward. It's clear how the community and key characters in all this drama feel. Of those we didn't hear they either don't give a fuck, don't wish to get involved or are trying to save face. Treat Rapid as evil and done. Whatever he can bring to the table is not worth it. His casting and reputation are horrendous and if you think otherwise you're an idiot or noob, most likely both.
This might literally be the most bizarre non-apology I've ever read.
Cutting through the pointless verbosity, he doesn't really apologize for anything substantive. Saying "I'm sorry if something I did harmed you" does not count. A true apology would involve clearly and unambiguously admitting what he did wrong to start with, then conveying how sorry is for the harm he caused, and finally explaining what he has done to change himself so that it will never happen again.
As is, there's nothing in this post that would prevent him from later claiming "the accusations were false, but what I'm sorry for is having the game brought into disrepute" because he does not actually address anything. He just says that he was hit with vague "accusations" and implies he can't say more because of "legal complexities".
A real apology also would not be buried on page 15 of a forum topic. So I don't know if this is a troll or if it's the real Rapid testing the waters with an apology he can easily disown because it wasn't posted on his real socials, but it's an absolute waste of time.
I don't believe this was written by Rapid. If it was, then it's not an actual apology. I'll go with the former for the time being until Rapid confirms this was his post.
I think if you asked ChatGPT “Please write an apology to a community I hurt by abusing underage girls” it would have come out a lot better than that post so I voted human troll.
On January 04 2024 17:36 Peeano wrote: Obv troll. Rapid doesn't talk/write like that, chatgpt does. Also Rapid has an account since 2009.
Closing thread wouldn't be a bad thing moving forward. It's clear how the community and key characters in all this drama feel. Of those we didn't hear they either don't give a fuck, don't wish to get involved or are trying to save face. Treat Rapid as evil and done. Whatever he can bring to the table is not worth it. His casting and reputation are horrendous and if you think otherwise you're an idiot or noob, most likely both.
I think you're right, since we are at the stage where multiple people are making accounts and claiming to be Rapid.
If anything new happens, you can make another thread.
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