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Cruiser0929
Profile Joined December 2019
516 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-10-23 22:21:17
October 23 2021 22:20 GMT
#1
[image loading]

The content prepared this time is another UBE series.
In the foreign scene, there are sometimes people who say this.
“Dewalt, Bonyth have reached 2600-2800 mmr and if they practice enough they can pass the ASL qualifiers. The reason they don't pass the ASL qualifiers is that they have their own families and jobs, so they can focus on practice compared to Korean gamers. It's because the environment isn't set up."
So I prepared this content.

Ample and Shine can't focus on streaming because they have a job, and they only do very limited streaming.
Sacsri is practically a gamer near retirement from competition due to wrist problems.

In order to prove the claims made by some foreign players, foreign players will have to win against Koreans with the same conditions.

The 4th matchup will be revealed at a later date.


The game system is 9 games, with the final game being played with an 8-0 score.
All dates and matchups confirmed.

The maps used are 7 maps from this season's Ladder maps and 2 additional maps.
The extra map is one of the maps I suggested where each player bans 1 map and chooses 1 map.

ENG cast : https://bj.afreecatv.com/dth03119 (Scan and Nyoken)
ESP cast : https://bj.afreecatv.com/cruiser0929 (Deathfa and Jan)

If you would like to contribute to this content

https://matcherino.com/tournaments/58516

You can contribute through this link.
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Cruiser0929
Profile Joined December 2019
516 Posts
October 24 2021 01:05 GMT
#2
Dandy vs Sacsri streaming starts

https://play.afreecatv.com/dth03119/236658113

cast by Scan
quaristice
Profile Joined February 2021
114 Posts
October 24 2021 06:27 GMT
#3
ty for the stream!

idk the logistics of setting it up but it would be cool if scan could have a 2nd commentator with him? scan is very good at commentary, he might be my favorite starcraft commentator to listen to. but 2 commentators is always better than 1 imo. it would be cool if it is a zerg player maybe for a tvz like this last one?

nyoken and scan do a really good job with the ASL videos but i notice a lot that their ideas are from the terran perspective, and i play all 3/random so i notice it a lot that they dont talk as much from the protoss or zerg perspective.
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4238 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-10-24 07:24:05
October 24 2021 07:19 GMT
#4
from YT:

LyDDa asks --> Will it uploaded here on youtube?

StarCastTV English answers --> no. This content needs a lot of live viewers to last. However, there are very few live viewers of this content.
For korean vs korean UBE content, it averaged only 5 viewers.
So we decided to delete the VOD after casting this content. These contents are only available for viewing live.

- - -

why?

it will get much more views on YT in VOD form..
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M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4238 Posts
October 24 2021 07:26 GMT
#5
can you PLEASE add a live series score on the screen, btw? That would be EXTREMELY helpful..
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earob84
Profile Joined October 2017
Germany175 Posts
October 24 2021 09:09 GMT
#6
Viewing live at 3am is hard tbh
quaristice
Profile Joined February 2021
114 Posts
October 24 2021 23:20 GMT
#7
it will get much more views on YT in VOD form..

https://vod.afreecatv.com/PLAYER/STATION/79256176

the vod is still here, it is how i watched it

im not sure i understand the economics of starcraft's esports scene at all tbh, it doesn't really add up to me in a way that makes sense.

but i will say that if events stop providing VODs i will just stop watching starcraft. i don't watch anything live, at all.
jchassoul
Profile Joined February 2019
Costa Rica72 Posts
October 24 2021 23:27 GMT
#8
On October 25 2021 08:20 quaristice wrote:
Show nested quote +
it will get much more views on YT in VOD form..

https://vod.afreecatv.com/PLAYER/STATION/79256176

the vod is still here, it is how i watched it

im not sure i understand the economics of starcraft's esports scene at all tbh, it doesn't really add up to me in a way that makes sense.

but i will say that if events stop providing VODs i will just stop watching starcraft. i don't watch anything live, at all.


thanks for the link +1 to all you said.
The limits of my language means the limits of my world. — The Overmind
iloveav
Profile Joined November 2008
Poland1481 Posts
October 25 2021 15:14 GMT
#9
Jeez, 3 AM?

Im too old to stay up that long.
Probably most BW players are too old for that :D.
aka LRM)Cats_Paw.
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4238 Posts
October 25 2021 18:49 GMT
#10
On October 25 2021 08:20 quaristice wrote:
Show nested quote +
it will get much more views on YT in VOD form..

https://vod.afreecatv.com/PLAYER/STATION/79256176

the vod is still here, it is how i watched it

im not sure i understand the economics of starcraft's esports scene at all tbh, it doesn't really add up to me in a way that makes sense.

but i will say that if events stop providing VODs i will just stop watching starcraft. i don't watch anything live, at all.

thanks!

and also - agreed
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Timebon3s
Profile Joined May 2018
Norway764 Posts
October 26 2021 08:54 GMT
#11


Dandy vs Sacsri up on youtube
Abjurer
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Sweden212 Posts
October 26 2021 12:49 GMT
#12
On October 26 2021 17:54 Timebon3s wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXAxKOPzUNI


Dandy vs Sacsri up on youtube


Thanks for link for lazy me! ^_^
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Cruiser0929
Profile Joined December 2019
516 Posts
October 31 2021 05:37 GMT
#13
https://play.afreecatv.com/dth03119/236803477

live now!
Leonix
Profile Joined June 2019
161 Posts
October 31 2021 05:54 GMT
#14
On October 24 2021 16:19 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
from YT:

LyDDa asks --> Will it uploaded here on youtube?

StarCastTV English answers --> no. This content needs a lot of live viewers to last. However, there are very few live viewers of this content.
For korean vs korean UBE content, it averaged only 5 viewers.
So we decided to delete the VOD after casting this content. These contents are only available for viewing live.

- - -

why?

it will get much more views on YT in VOD form..



Lmao, what is next ?

"Nobody pays attention to your existence, lets get rid of you. Because that way more people will know you."
Cruiser0929
Profile Joined December 2019
516 Posts
November 14 2021 21:52 GMT
#15
The last match of the SIB series is streaming

Bonyth & Dewalt vs Barracks's 9game

https://play.afreecatv.com/dth03119/237103312

If you would like to contribute to this showmatch, you can do so through Matcherino.
https://matcherino.com/tournaments/58516
Click the claim code button to contribute $0.30 for free!
Cruiser0929
Profile Joined December 2019
516 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-12-19 09:39:52
December 19 2021 09:17 GMT
#16
On October 26 2021 00:14 iloveav wrote:
Jeez, 3 AM?

Im too old to stay up that long.
Probably most BW players are too old for that :D.


Well.. taking feedback that 3am is too late to watch, I started streaming this time at 10-11am cet but the viewership didn't increase.
i think maybe.. content other than ASL and ASTL is not of interest to English viewers.
In the case of ASL International Battle, I thought that could be the case, but ASL Revenge Battle was very interesting content, but the number of live viewers was very small.

Scan and Nyoken take the time to cast their content in English exclusively for English viewers. The way you guys support them is by watching the streaming live.
If this continues, we have no choice but to seriously think about whether to continue providing an English cast service.

If you have any ideas for how to increase live stream viewership, let me know what you think in the comments.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43722 Posts
December 19 2021 17:46 GMT
#17
How are you picking these times?

Aim for 6pm in the country of your target audience. If that’s Americans then like 7pm Eastern. We have jobs, families, routines. We can’t be watching anything live during work hours or sleep hours. That leaves like 4 hours a day you need to broadcast during, except on weekends.
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quaristice
Profile Joined February 2021
114 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-12-22 08:53:33
December 22 2021 08:50 GMT
#18
On December 19 2021 18:17 Cruiser0929 wrote:
If you have any ideas for how to increase live stream viewership, let me know what you think in the comments.

i've been thinking about this for a few days now. it is a difficult problem. i have enjoyed your VODs a lot, though i have not watched live.

instead of thinking of solutions immediately, it's worth examining the problem fully, thinking about every contributing factor:

- i think non-koreans have trouble finding afreeca.tv streams organically. youtube and twitch, they might wander into it, but foreigners never go on afreeca website on their own unless they are already very familiar with starcraft or something else popular in korea. on youtube or twitch, someone might think "oh i remember starcraft, i wonder what a starcraft tournament looks like now" and type it in.

- i notice BSL gets coverage on the front page of tl.net, but your events i don't think they have been?

- even for stuff like BSL, they're not sustained by a lot of viewers, but instead by donations. I know I saw someone donated like $1000+ for BSL. I look at the vod for BSL13 grand finals on twitch and there are only 8800 viewers, which for the grand finals of a tournament with thousands of dollars on the line is pretty small compared to other non-starcraft games, even niche games. so i think it's mostly not the live viewers that are making that work.

i know tastosis make a lot of their money off of patreon donations, not viewership.

- i think there's a lack of knowledge about these events. i'm not sure how to get the word out. i don't know if you've tried cross-promoting with other starcraft streamers/casters? (BSL, artosis, tasteless, team think quick, etc)

- i think a lot of the viewers/money for tasteless and artosis is fueled by people with a parasocial relationship with tasteless and artosis specifically. it is not as much about the starcraft itself, or the players. if you look at Artosis's twitch stream ever, you will see what I mean. there are people just donating $50+ an hour to him just to annoy him with text-to-speech. i don't know if that kind of money can come from just good games of starcraft. i love scan and nyoken's commentary a whole lot and i hope they can continue doing it as they have been doing it, talking about strategy.

for example, scan and nyoken dont talk much about which players are friends or rivals, or where the players came from. and they don't joke around as much.

during the kespa era, foreign viewers had a parasocial relationship with the korean progamers, but i feel this is less true now. i'm not sure why this is different. i guess it's because OGN and MBC put a lot of money into it back then.

- live times will always be bad for some group of people, and i think because of this non-koreans are used to watching VODs always. there's a variety of reasons VODs are more convenient for viewers too (easier to organize groupwatch, don't have to watch in 1 sitting, can rewind, can skip empty time, and so on)

...
that's a lot. hmm. so i dont know what the solution is, but i don't think doing 1 thing differently will solve the problem. i think that maybe there just isn't enough live foreign viewers on afreeca.tv. i hope that you can find a way to keep doing this stuff.
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