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Profile Joined June 2005
Ivory Coast856 Posts
July 04 2020 03:03 GMT
#81
On July 03 2020 11:34 LaStScan wrote:
The guy who was playing on Dong222 in ICCup server, we thought he was 9Mutal[HyO], but i found out who he was a week ago. He is yoon who came out on Flash's youtube VODs playing vs Flash.


In this context Who is yoon?
Diiiscoo-oh, thats where the happy people go!
sc19980331
Profile Joined March 2017
China1609 Posts
July 04 2020 07:58 GMT
#82
Mihu is in Tier 5 undoubtedly.

1.He’s a full time streamer and taking paid regular training, about 200 ladder games per month, crowdfunded by his fans club.
Stream https://live.ixigua.com/652852/
MMR this season:
[image loading]

2.In (Wiki)Sanpao StarLeague CellGame Cup Season 1 last month, he won (Wiki)Ruin and (Wiki)ByungSoo, 2-4 (Wiki)Midas , vod:
TvP Ruin https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1mp4y1S7un
TvZ ByungSoo https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Vt4y1y72V
TvT Midas https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1p54y1B7pd
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Sirris
Profile Joined November 2019
681 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-04 09:48:18
July 04 2020 09:29 GMT
#83
On July 04 2020 16:58 sc19980331 wrote:
Mihu is in Tier 5 undoubtedly.

1.He’s a full time streamer and taking paid regular training, about 200 ladder games per month, crowdfunded by his fans club.
Stream https://live.ixigua.com/652852/
MMR this season:
[image loading]

2.In (Wiki)Sanpao StarLeague CellGame Cup Season 1 last month, he won (Wiki)Ruin and (Wiki)ByungSoo, 2-4 (Wiki)Midas , vod:
TvP Ruin https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1mp4y1S7un
TvZ ByungSoo https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Vt4y1y72V
TvT Midas https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1p54y1B7pd

I don't want to be rude but these arent really relevant examples. The tier system is based on tournament play. I'm sure hes a good player, however hand picking a few examples of him doing very well against mediocre korean players(at this point - Midas is a legend ) is far from proof that hes as good as them. Im assuming he has quite a few loses against players of this level as well, but you're not linking those games
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Profile Joined June 2005
Ivory Coast856 Posts
July 04 2020 16:03 GMT
#84
Just got through the JoeKim confession... I knew Game was scum but holy shit thats off the charts
Diiiscoo-oh, thats where the happy people go!
9-BiT
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States1089 Posts
July 04 2020 16:50 GMT
#85
On July 04 2020 16:58 sc19980331 wrote:
Mihu is in Tier 5 undoubtedly.

1.He’s a full time streamer and taking paid regular training, about 200 ladder games per month, crowdfunded by his fans club.
Stream https://live.ixigua.com/652852/
MMR this season:
[image loading]

2.In (Wiki)Sanpao StarLeague CellGame Cup Season 1 last month, he won (Wiki)Ruin and (Wiki)ByungSoo, 2-4 (Wiki)Midas , vod:
TvP Ruin https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1mp4y1S7un
TvZ ByungSoo https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Vt4y1y72V
TvT Midas https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1p54y1B7pd

I’m glad to know the Chinese community is just as delusional as the rest of the foreign scene.
kwark_uk: @father_sc learn to play maybe?
LinYu_roy
Profile Joined November 2004
Germany21 Posts
July 04 2020 18:31 GMT
#86
On July 02 2020 06:47 kogeT wrote:
I am tier69 if anyone is wondering.


You are too humble! But even tier 69 is way above peasants like us....
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10175 Posts
July 04 2020 19:28 GMT
#87
On July 05 2020 01:50 9-BiT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2020 16:58 sc19980331 wrote:
Mihu is in Tier 5 undoubtedly.

1.He’s a full time streamer and taking paid regular training, about 200 ladder games per month, crowdfunded by his fans club.
Stream https://live.ixigua.com/652852/
MMR this season:
[image loading]

2.In (Wiki)Sanpao StarLeague CellGame Cup Season 1 last month, he won (Wiki)Ruin and (Wiki)ByungSoo, 2-4 (Wiki)Midas , vod:
TvP Ruin https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1mp4y1S7un
TvZ ByungSoo https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Vt4y1y72V
TvT Midas https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1p54y1B7pd

I’m glad to know the Chinese community is just as delusional as the rest of the foreign scene.

To be fair the Chinese community exposed us so hard with F91 vs. Idra that I believe they still have the upper hand to this day. We may all be clowns to Korea but China is closer.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
CadenZie
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Korea (South)545 Posts
July 05 2020 03:31 GMT
#88
its of my personal opinion that americans are a bit stronger than koreans, korean mmr is kind of easy to come by, also americans match koreans more often than people in korea match koreans (i got this from a reliable source).
onlystar
Profile Joined March 2015
United States971 Posts
July 05 2020 05:44 GMT
#89
On July 05 2020 12:31 CadenZie wrote:
its of my personal opinion that americans are a bit stronger than koreans, korean mmr is kind of easy to come by, also americans match koreans more often than people in korea match koreans (i got this from a reliable source).


haha nice this is actually true I've read this on twitch streams in artosis chat
Anc13nt
Profile Blog Joined October 2017
1557 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-05 07:55:22
July 05 2020 07:55 GMT
#90
On July 05 2020 04:28 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2020 01:50 9-BiT wrote:
On July 04 2020 16:58 sc19980331 wrote:
Mihu is in Tier 5 undoubtedly.

1.He’s a full time streamer and taking paid regular training, about 200 ladder games per month, crowdfunded by his fans club.
Stream https://live.ixigua.com/652852/
MMR this season:
[image loading]

2.In (Wiki)Sanpao StarLeague CellGame Cup Season 1 last month, he won (Wiki)Ruin and (Wiki)ByungSoo, 2-4 (Wiki)Midas , vod:
TvP Ruin https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1mp4y1S7un
TvZ ByungSoo https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Vt4y1y72V
TvT Midas https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1p54y1B7pd

I’m glad to know the Chinese community is just as delusional as the rest of the foreign scene.

To be fair the Chinese community exposed us so hard with F91 vs. Idra that I believe they still have the upper hand to this day. We may all be clowns to Korea but China is closer.


yeah and if i recall properly, the last foreigner who gave koreans some trouble in WCG was PJ I think.
Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-05 13:52:23
July 05 2020 13:45 GMT
#91
On July 05 2020 16:55 Anc13nt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2020 04:28 Jealous wrote:
On July 05 2020 01:50 9-BiT wrote:
On July 04 2020 16:58 sc19980331 wrote:
Mihu is in Tier 5 undoubtedly.

1.He’s a full time streamer and taking paid regular training, about 200 ladder games per month, crowdfunded by his fans club.
Stream https://live.ixigua.com/652852/
MMR this season:
[image loading]

2.In (Wiki)Sanpao StarLeague CellGame Cup Season 1 last month, he won (Wiki)Ruin and (Wiki)ByungSoo, 2-4 (Wiki)Midas , vod:
TvP Ruin https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1mp4y1S7un
TvZ ByungSoo https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Vt4y1y72V
TvT Midas https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1p54y1B7pd

I’m glad to know the Chinese community is just as delusional as the rest of the foreign scene.

To be fair the Chinese community exposed us so hard with F91 vs. Idra that I believe they still have the upper hand to this day. We may all be clowns to Korea but China is closer.


yeah and if i recall properly, the last foreigner who gave koreans some trouble in WCG was PJ I think.


Correct. Pj vs Savior: 2-1 in wcg 2007. I havent had much contact with the chinese as of late, but when i did in 2016ish, my impression was also that china was a bit ahead of us.

Chinese players defeated korean pros more than once in the c-osl's. Progamers had to offrace each 2nd, 4th and 6th game of a match tho. Still some huge upsets.
Broodwar for life!
LinYu_roy
Profile Joined November 2004
Germany21 Posts
July 05 2020 20:03 GMT
#92
China has a dedicated StarCraft community. Maybe not as big as 10, 15 years ago, but it is hardcore as ever. Due to language barrier, time difference, Chinese community is not well connected with the west. But you do see many interactions between Chinese and Korean StarCraft communities. The two countries are very close to each other, after all.

For example, did you know the 2019 ASIA-PACIFIC STAR KING MASTERS? It was a tournament between top Chinese players selected via online qualifiers and invited Korean pros (Flash, Bisu, Stork, and Zero). (I don't want to spoil it, but the finals are between Koreans ^^) As the organizer put it, the purposes of such tournament are: (1) Celebrate StarCraft with beautiful game-plays, and (2) Show the skill gap between Korean and Chinese players and motivate the Chinese players to reach new highs.

Unfortunately, the event is entirely in Chinese; Actually some of the interviews were pretty funny (for example, Flash was asked about his experience visiting his girlfriend's parents, Bisu was asked about why he was still single ...). I recognized some faces sitting in the audience. People are getting older, most of them with kids now, but the love for StarCraft hasn't changed a bit. StarCraft is arguably the first competitive game that was popular in China nationwide. The passion is pure, even till this day.
littlechava
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States7218 Posts
July 06 2020 05:44 GMT
#93
who cares
Entusman #12
.gypsy
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Canada689 Posts
July 06 2020 05:44 GMT
#94
agreed
https://www.twitch.tv/gypsy93
Timebon3s
Profile Joined May 2018
Norway702 Posts
July 06 2020 09:46 GMT
#95
I care, and a lot of other people in this thread. Probably you as well since you took the time to read and comment in this thread.
Happy to hear that bw is popular in China as well
Avi-Love
Profile Joined November 2003
Denmark423 Posts
July 06 2020 14:28 GMT
#96
Perhaps, in retrospect, the real question is how big of a betting underdog PJ was against Saviour at that WCG?
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
July 06 2020 18:00 GMT
#97
On July 06 2020 23:28 Avi-Love wrote:
Perhaps, in retrospect, the real question is how big of a betting underdog PJ was against Saviour at that WCG?

in 2007? Very large i'd say
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
XenOsky
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Chile2277 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-06 20:51:02
July 06 2020 20:47 GMT
#98
On July 05 2020 01:50 9-BiT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2020 16:58 sc19980331 wrote:
Mihu is in Tier 5 undoubtedly.

1.He’s a full time streamer and taking paid regular training, about 200 ladder games per month, crowdfunded by his fans club.
Stream https://live.ixigua.com/652852/
MMR this season:
[image loading]

2.In (Wiki)Sanpao StarLeague CellGame Cup Season 1 last month, he won (Wiki)Ruin and (Wiki)ByungSoo, 2-4 (Wiki)Midas , vod:
TvP Ruin https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1mp4y1S7un
TvZ ByungSoo https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Vt4y1y72V
TvT Midas https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1p54y1B7pd

I’m glad to know the Chinese community is just as delusional as the rest of the foreign scene.


he can prolly compete at a decent level against players like ggaemo, tyson, artuser, etc...


wuts the TR between china and kr like? tr16 low ++?
StarCraft & Audax Italiano.
[N3O]r3d33m3r
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany673 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-06 22:13:10
July 06 2020 22:04 GMT
#99
On July 07 2020 03:00 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2020 23:28 Avi-Love wrote:
Perhaps, in retrospect, the real question is How big of a betting underdog PJ was against Saviour at that WCG?

in 2007? Very large i'd say
Didn't saviour sAviOr lose those WCG matches on purpose too? I mean no way Mondragon could take games off of sAviOr in 2007 during the maestro's prime.

Interesting read:
https://geckovod.wordpress.com/2013/09/13/david-vs-goliath-page-3/
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
July 07 2020 03:31 GMT
#100
On July 07 2020 07:04 [N3O]r3d33m3r wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2020 03:00 arb wrote:
On July 06 2020 23:28 Avi-Love wrote:
Perhaps, in retrospect, the real question is How big of a betting underdog PJ was against Saviour at that WCG?

in 2007? Very large i'd say
Didn't saviour sAviOr lose those WCG matches on purpose too? I mean no way Mondragon could take games off of sAviOr in 2007 during the maestro's prime.

Interesting read:
https://geckovod.wordpress.com/2013/09/13/david-vs-goliath-page-3/

I think losing like that was sort of common if it meant koreans didnt have to eliminate each other early on, not sure tho
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