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What Tier would players like Bonyth, Terr0r, Trutacz, Dewalt, Eonzerg be..?
Could they be in Tier 3 along with players like Zelot, YSC etc ??
What Tier would non-pro Koreans be?
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masoka82
Spain594 Posts
What Tier would players like Bonyth, Terr0r, Trutacz, Dewalt, Eonzerg be..? Could they be in Tier 3 along with players like Zelot, YSC etc ?? | ||
BLinD-RawR
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FakeFin
Germany392 Posts
Edit: Also the tiers are based on ASL performance, not skill so since no foreigner ever played in an ASL theyd all be tier 5 | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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Bakuryu
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Ej_
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Essbee
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onlystar
United States971 Posts
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chillzzz
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outscar
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By the way, Killer tier 5? Really? His form isn't as good as post KeSPA era, but he managed to qualify ASL many times, even went to ro8 first time he came back, and was at ro24 last ASL. Beast and free both must be below him. | ||
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onlystar
United States971 Posts
I think it's lower than tier 5, although if we get best of the best foreigners like Dewalt, Trutacz, Bonyth, Eon etc. and let them practice vs. top pros they can quickly reach tier 3. this makes no sense at all if they practice with some T3 players they will go up to T3 is no time that's pure speculation if anything we have seen eon and dewalt play in Korea playing with Korean gosus (not even the semi-pros or T5/4/3) they got smacked down at tr24low Koreans are superior (micro) | ||
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
On June 29 2020 21:42 BLinD-RawR wrote: Officially, in the same tier as everyone else who's yet to qualify into an ASL that was a hell of a boring answer if I've seen one | ||
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.gypsy
Canada689 Posts
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On June 30 2020 00:20 ROOTFayth wrote: that was a hell of a boring answer if I've seen one might be but it's the best response from the lot all things considered. | ||
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bovienchien
Vietnam1152 Posts
They have tier 10, I think! | ||
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sadego
10 Posts
Bisu went 2-0 vs Bonyth the other day and it looked like Bisu was toying with him. Bisu beat Trutacz the other day in a similar manner. Disclaimer: Bonyth, Trutacz, and Terror are all very good. It's just the top Koreans are on another level. | ||
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Bonyth
Poland559 Posts
Please stop with the false claims sadego, i have never played against Bisu, at least not his protoss. As for everyone else, here is your ASL god of random dying to a mere foreigner PvZ ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/2UCgj66.jpg) | ||
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onlystar
United States971 Posts
On June 30 2020 01:32 Bonyth wrote: Sorry, I intended to keep my mouth shut, but false data hit me for 9999 damage. Please stop with the false claims sadego, i have never played against Bisu, at least not his protoss. As for everyone else, here is your ASL god of random dying to a mere foreigner PvZ posting that ss makes u look kinda silly imo.a random ladder game with flash offracing with his worst race. like should we post here ss how u got nuked by bishop in a spon game doesn't add to the discussion like imo a reasonable reaction would be to just say yes we top foreigners do not belong in T5 we are below that if anyone would like to know..... | ||
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[N3O]r3d33m3r
Germany673 Posts
On June 29 2020 23:19 onlystar wrote: Scan is the best foreigner? I thought Bonyth, Eonzerg or Sziky are?definitely not Tier 3 or any of these Tiers scan is the best foreigner and he is Korean so go figure maybe a Tier 6 for top foreigners & gosu koreans | ||
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onlystar
United States971 Posts
On June 30 2020 02:29 [N3O]r3d33m3r wrote: Scan is the best foreigner? I thought Bonyth, Eonzerg or Sziky are? hah em actually scan isn't a foreigner no longer like he lives in Korea now so sure pass on the title to some ''other'' top foreigner as said before scan is way higher skill level that all the top foreigners | ||
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kogeT
Poland2037 Posts
On June 30 2020 01:32 Bonyth wrote: Sorry, I intended to keep my mouth shut, but false data hit me for 9999 damage. Please stop with the false claims sadego, i have never played against Bisu, at least not his protoss. As for everyone else, here is your ASL god of random dying to a mere foreigner PvZ Fake picture, Bonyth doesn't have 245 APM. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6578 Posts
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Bonyth
Poland559 Posts
Games on TR10 don't tell shit, as mentioned by eonzerg. I guess what im trying to say is that I dont feel like I'm below all the players on this list. | ||
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[N3O]r3d33m3r
Germany673 Posts
On June 30 2020 02:36 Bonyth wrote: Bold statement my man. Can't wait to see the results!Onlystar, I'm gonna wait for StarLink and TR24 on the whole globe to prove it to you I can compete with some of them progamers. Games on TR10 don't tell shit, as mentioned by eonzerg. I guess what im trying to say is that I dont feel like I'm below all the players on this list. | ||
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onlystar
United States971 Posts
On June 30 2020 02:36 Bonyth wrote: Onlystar, I'm gonna wait for StarLink and TR24 on the whole globe to prove it to you I can compete with some of them progamers. Games on TR10 don't tell shit, as mentioned by eonzerg. I guess what im trying to say is that I dont feel like I'm below all the players on this list. is this fake bonyth lol? trolling? | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4188 Posts
many top tier foreigners can get games from pro and semi-pro gamers | ||
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onlystar
United States971 Posts
On June 30 2020 03:23 M3t4PhYzX wrote: Tier 5 in my opinion. many top tier foreigners can get games from pro and semi-pro gamers ladder games are meaningless even more so on tr14 and beneath | ||
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
On June 30 2020 02:35 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: Tier 7 is accurate.That korean tier is made on actual skills and not the lucky wins u doing vs progamers on turnrate 10.Just by seeing Scan in tier 5 and how he was 1 game away from getting in ASL tells a lot. I have to agree. With comparison to Scan, tier 6 is the highest i can see a reasonable argument for.+ Show Spoiler + until bony practices on Starlink ofc :D | ||
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DeLoAdEr
Japan527 Posts
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Shinokuki
United States859 Posts
On June 30 2020 02:36 Bonyth wrote: Onlystar, I'm gonna wait for StarLink and TR24 on the whole globe to prove it to you I can compete with some of them progamers. Games on TR10 don't tell shit, as mentioned by eonzerg. I guess what im trying to say is that I dont feel like I'm below all the players on this list. Look man you are obviously #1 foreigner atm by far but as soon as you face people on sponbbangs you're going to realize the horrific reality that is korean scene. These pros know the TINIEST details we don't even know that it existed. As soon as you are vulnerable they exploit the crap out of that. When Soma stepped into pro scene he realized how ridiculous these pros were. (Soma was actually semi pro and reached #1 ladder (something you could never do). | ||
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TT1
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LaStScan
Korea (South)1289 Posts
Anyways, that tier division list is created by your previous asl performance. Queen earned like 4100pts because he won asl9, but he didnt do well in asl8 and that contributed 0 pts. If he did not win asl9, maybe lost in ro8 or so, he wouldve been in tier 3 due to his performance. Take a look at S8 pts contribution and S9 pts contribution. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/E4jeIYZ.jpg) A week ago resun`z team did internal ranking practice war(playing each other all bo1) and light and i won 5-1 and i got a 1st place(same score, but light lost to me) in a team. Does that mean im better than light who was in tier 1? Definitely no. I have lack of stage games experience, there are multiple playstyles out there and coach cannot be sending me out vs all tier 1 players. During the time in scbw, fish server, top pro <-> regular pro, regular pro <-> top amateurs, top amateurs <-> top foreigners were huge skill gaps. However due to the stream quality, easy to approach VODs(youtube) i do think some foreign players like dewalt, eon, trutacz are slowly catching up the gap between top amateurs <-> top foreigners. I acknowledge bonyth, dewalt, eon, trutacz, terror, and more players are significantly improving with their skills and learning new/making meta(bonyth carrier style) | ||
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tankgirl
Canada407 Posts
On June 30 2020 11:04 LaStScan wrote: During the time in scbw, fish server, top pro <-> regular pro, regular pro <-> top amateurs, top amateurs <-> top foreigners were huge skill gaps. To put these skill gaps in perspective, remember that Larva beat the top Chinese amateur with his feet. | ||
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LG)Sabbath
Argentina3022 Posts
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blabber
United States4448 Posts
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onlystar
United States971 Posts
On June 30 2020 10:13 Shinokuki wrote: Look man you are obviously #1 foreigner atm by far but as soon as you face people on sponbbangs you're going to realize the horrific reality that is korean scene. These pros know the TINIEST details we don't even know that it existed. As soon as you are vulnerable they exploit the crap out of that. When Soma stepped into pro scene he realized how ridiculous these pros were. (Soma was actually semi pro and reached #1 ladder (something you could never do). have to agree with Shinokuki.. @Bonyth until you got something to show for.. results(spon matches non ladder games)on TR20/16llow vs (offline results) vs tier5/4/3/2 etc it would look graceful on you to stay humble until you reach your goal right now this comes off as misplaced and misguided | ||
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radley
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ggsimida
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On June 30 2020 11:52 tankgirl wrote: To put these skill gaps in perspective, remember that Larva beat the top Chinese amateur with his feet. he is just a returning past legend, not the top chinese amateur at that time, far from it. | ||
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TelecoM
United States10671 Posts
On June 30 2020 12:14 LG)Sabbath wrote: This reminds me of when people like Idra, Nony and others went to korea as the top foreigners and people here were having high hopes, yet they got proper smashed for months. Come on bro, 2nd in Courage, that was huge. | ||
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NoS-Craig
Australia3095 Posts
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Rovant1c
China72 Posts
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LaStScan
Korea (South)1289 Posts
On June 30 2020 15:36 Rovant1c wrote: Chinese No.1 player "Mihu" beat Ruin and ArtUser a few days ago.So I think he could be in Tier5. The tier list is decided by ASL performance. Everyone starts at Tier 5. Beating a specific player doesn't mean he should be belong in Tier X. Like I explained in page 2, I beat Beast, Rush, Free, Light, Motive in Team Resun`z internal ranking practice and it doesn't mean I can be in a higher tier than Tier 5. | ||
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g0rynich
Russian Federation139 Posts
As i can mention bonyth/terror/dewalt are the only players who beat some day to day korean amateurs and tier5 players from that table. For example on jeez tourneys. So i can sign under the opinion that bonyth terror and dewalt are in the lower list of tier5 just right on the line between tier5/tier6. Im watching a lot of fpvods of korean pros comparing to fpvods/replays of foreigners. Foreigners are not even close. That is sadly thruth | ||
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Shinokuki
United States859 Posts
On June 30 2020 16:10 LaStScan wrote: The tier list is decided by ASL performance. Everyone starts at Tier 5. Beating a specific player doesn't mean he should be belong in Tier X. Like I explained in page 2, I beat Beast, Rush, Free, Light, Motive in Team Resun`z internal ranking practice and it doesn't mean I can be in a higher tier than Tier 5. I mean no one is doubting your skills scan. You can reach top 5 ladder easily. What we need to see though is some level of evidence that you can be in tier 4++. Can you try to place in top 20 for sponbbang? can you at least reach asl? can you participate in race war? That's how you become known and prove yourself. So far you're ranked only at 38th on sponbbang playing the weak players, not even placed in asl/ksl yet. that's the reality man Edit: I actually apologize for saying this. Didn't realize you yourself said you can't be higher than tier 5 atm. I'm sure you'll be a future addition to the new generation (sorry, soma, fantazy) if you keep practicing hardcore. Once you reach top 20 sponbbang i'm sure the rest of the success will follow. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On June 30 2020 22:59 Shinokuki wrote: I mean no one is doubting your skills scan. You can reach top 5 ladder easily. What we need to see though is some level of evidence that you can be in tier 4++. Can you try to place in top 20 for sponbbang? can you at least reach asl? can you participate in race war? That's how you become known and prove yourself. So far you're ranked only at 38th on sponbbang playing the weak players, not even placed in asl/ksl yet. that's the reality man Thanks for reinforcing his point, but in a way that also for no reason takes a conga of jabs at Scan? | ||
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Master of DalK
Canada1797 Posts
On June 30 2020 11:04 LaStScan wrote: Im korean citizen and served korean military service for 2 years. I still dont understand why im called foreigner. Because when Americans have nothing else to run with they try to take claim for someone else's achievements. Happens all the time in the fighting game community too lol | ||
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oxKnu
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Everything else is just fluff. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
From that, you can see that when we are talking about tier 5, this is not some sort of discussion about power ranking, but just a convenient way for Afreeca to group players for the purpose of the tournament. Funny stuff from this thread: Scan is an honorary foreigner and he is not pleased. Flash is ASL god of random. | ||
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cRoSsy
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HaFnium
United Kingdom1074 Posts
Not to mention about the experience of playing live games on stage as well. It's something that even the Korean Amateurs are struggling (compared with ex-pros) Btw can you recruit specialist fastest players to the team or can you only go with what's on the list? | ||
FlaShFTW
United States10151 Posts
On June 29 2020 22:34 Essbee wrote: Scan is in tier 5 and isn't he way better than any foreigner? Foreigners cried about Scan being in the TL tournaments way back when. So wherever Scan is, foreigners are below him. Tier 6. | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On July 01 2020 05:19 FlaShFTW wrote: Foreigners cried about Scan being in the TL tournaments way back when. So wherever Scan is, foreigners are below him. Tier 6. https://www.captiongenerator.com/51630/Scan-in-TLS-tournaments | ||
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[N3O]r3d33m3r
Germany673 Posts
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CrymeaTerran
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NoS-Craig
Australia3095 Posts
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XenOsky
Chile2268 Posts
On June 30 2020 16:10 LaStScan wrote: The tier list is decided by ASL performance. Everyone starts at Tier 5. Beating a specific player doesn't mean he should be belong in Tier X. Like I explained in page 2, I beat Beast, Rush, Free, Light, Motive in Team Resun`z internal ranking practice and it doesn't mean I can be in a higher tier than Tier 5. u gosu, i'll be rooting for you. u tier #1 in my <3 | ||
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outscar
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CrymeaTerran
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On July 01 2020 15:29 NoS-Craig wrote: Who said they were T3? u never read the first page, aight? | ||
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NoS-Craig
Australia3095 Posts
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9-BiT
United States1089 Posts
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Essbee
Canada2371 Posts
On July 02 2020 01:32 9-BiT wrote: foreigners are insanely delusional, the absolute best foreigners get completely slammed by koreans that would never qualify for ASL. And this is just on laggy ladder/one off sponmatches, if any koreans bothered learning the gimmicky playstyles that foreigners use it would be even more one sided. Yeah, and scan was drafted post-draft so I guess we could even consider him tier 6? And doesn't he usually slam foreign players? And he's also able to win games off progamers (like Light). Soooo, even if we consider foreigners something like tier 7, of course they MIGHT win a game or two here and there but realistically they are sooooo far behind even the top amateurs. That's just the sad reality imo. | ||
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npnl19
Russian Federation27 Posts
that almost any korean "semi-pro" at the time or maybe even good amateur would usually beat a top foreigner, and a korean "pro" would win even in more so dominating maner (using fun stuff like nukes etc.). Ocasionally sure we have seen people took off games, but in a serious BoX series i think not.. And after SC2 release most top foreigners switched and those who wasnt as good as very top kept practicing becoming "new top foreigners". Although koreans no more have pro-league and teams, still seems they are maintain "pro level" more or less. So Bonyth is our top foreinger right now, but isn't he is more losing than winning against Scan in a Jeez Weekly so.. Still would be interesting to see a BoX series with a top foreinger who claims he can compete vs Tier-1 or Tier-3 korean | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On June 30 2020 01:32 Bonyth wrote: Sorry, I intended to keep my mouth shut, but false data hit me for 9999 damage. Please stop with the false claims sadego, i have never played against Bisu, at least not his protoss. As for everyone else, here is your ASL god of random dying to a mere foreigner PvZ i cant wait to see you crush his terran, ill hold my breath for it as a matter of fact | ||
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onlystar
United States971 Posts
On July 02 2020 01:32 9-BiT wrote: foreigners are insanely delusional, the absolute best foreigners get completely slammed by koreans that would never qualify for ASL. And this is just on laggy ladder/one off sponmatches, if any koreans bothered learning the gimmicky playstyles that foreigners use it would be even more one sided. yeah this is so true for a lot of foreigners they do not have the smooth micro management / multi of the koreans they compensate by doing insane allins or tricky stuff (that does not display any skill ) its just putting all your chips on one spot and hoping it pays off if you kill your opponent it worked if it did not you lose foreigners need to have a better mindset practice micro multi without any gambling trying to improve and winning with standard play it pays off big if you succeed edit : the butthurt reactions will follow from angry players cause they want the Respect they deserve for their (inflated) high MMR! and the ego needs to be satisfied disclaimer if you have a strong reaction to my post its because you detect truth and the truth always hits a sensitive spot it will probably give a big reaction because of this | ||
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kogeT
Poland2037 Posts
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onlystar
United States971 Posts
On July 02 2020 06:47 kogeT wrote: I am tier69 if anyone is wondering. NICE bro NAAAICE!  | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On June 30 2020 11:04 LaStScan wrote: Im korean citizen and served korean military service for 2 years. I still dont understand why im called foreigner. Anyways, that tier division list is created by your previous asl performance. Queen earned like 4100pts because he won asl9, but he didnt do well in asl8 and that contributed 0 pts. If he did not win asl9, maybe lost in ro8 or so, he wouldve been in tier 3 due to his performance. Take a look at S8 pts contribution and S9 pts contribution. + Show Spoiler + A week ago resun`z team did internal ranking practice war(playing each other all bo1) and light and i won 5-1 and i got a 1st place(same score, but light lost to me) in a team. Does that mean im better than light who was in tier 1? Definitely no. I have lack of stage games experience, there are multiple playstyles out there and coach cannot be sending me out vs all tier 1 players. During the time in scbw, fish server, top pro <-> regular pro, regular pro <-> top amateurs, top amateurs <-> top foreigners were huge skill gaps. However due to the stream quality, easy to approach VODs(youtube) i do think some foreign players like dewalt, eon, trutacz are slowly catching up the gap between top amateurs <-> top foreigners. I acknowledge bonyth, dewalt, eon, trutacz, terror, and more players are significantly improving with their skills and learning new/making meta(bonyth carrier style) you were never really a foreigner to begin with. | ||
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[N3O]r3d33m3r
Germany673 Posts
I also didn't know he was literally born in Korea and spent the vast majority of his life there. | ||
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ChriS-X
Malaysia1374 Posts
On July 02 2020 06:47 kogeT wrote: I am tier69 if anyone is wondering. tier 420 | ||
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LaStScan
Korea (South)1289 Posts
On July 02 2020 08:19 [N3O]r3d33m3r wrote: I also didn't know he was literally born in Korea and spent the vast majority of his life there. .. Why would foreigner(non-korean) serve Korean military service? As far as I know as a US citizen, if you serve other country's military service, you lose your US citizenship. | ||
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LaStScan
Korea (South)1289 Posts
On July 02 2020 07:09 StarStruck wrote: this is fucking hilarious. brings back the good old tl days circa 2000 lol where we used to argue who is better than who. you were never really a foreigner to begin with. You're right. But there are a lot of people STILL try to categorize me as a foreign player. -_- I'm sick of repeating ever since like 2012 lol. | ||
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vOdToasT
Sweden2870 Posts
He's good | ||
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LML
Germany1764 Posts
On July 02 2020 18:12 LaStScan wrote: You're right. But there are a lot of people STILL try to categorize me as a foreign player. -_- I'm sick of repeating ever since like 2012 lol. I wonder why the guy who was the subject of massive drama in the foreign scene around 10 years ago for repeatedly cheating in big tournaments is remembered as a foreigner? Do you really think people care about you enough to all know where you were born, where you studied, what your citizenship looks like or where you served your military service? I certainly didn't know any of that before you posted all of that in this thread. My main memories about you are those from around 10 years ago and from when you openly boasted how easily you could beat kogeT 10-0 while offracing and then making up multiple excuses immediately after he took several games from you. You're simply not someone to be taken seriously as a person. That's why there is no public interest about your personal life and people see you as a foreigner. Because that's the scene where they know your name from. User was warned for this post | ||
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LaStScan
Korea (South)1289 Posts
On July 03 2020 07:08 LML wrote: I wonder why the guy who was the subject of massive drama in the foreign scene around 10 years ago for repeatedly cheating in big tournaments is remembered as a foreigner? Do you really think people care about you enough to all know where you were born, where you studied, what your citizenship looks like or where you served your military service? I certainly didn't know any of that before you posted all of that in this thread. My main memories about you are those from around 10 years ago and from when you openly boasted how easily you could beat kogeT 10-0 while offracing and then making up multiple excuses immediately after he took several games from you. You're simply not someone to be taken seriously as a person. That's why there is no public interest about your personal life and people see you as a foreigner. Because that's the scene where they know your name from. Since you are talking about my cheating, let's get this right. I admit my mistakes in the past and cut off all the connection who were making a bad influence about me. I probably also explained about this somewhere. I was unfairly banned for ISL2 by LRM)Game as soon as I won ISL1 and JoeKim who was very close with LRM)Game, said he will help me to play the next season and wanted me to smurf on his name and play on his name. I was still in high school, know nothing, and followed what JoeKim told me to do. The moment JoeKim's smurf name that I was using got caught, that became an official reason why LRM)Game banned me for tournaments. I streamed on Twitch for many years, a lot of viewers are curious where I was born, where I studied, where i live now. I have answered the question numerous times. You could be right, people won't care about those information. People want to see great games. About kogeT, I was sure I can do it because i was playing offrace quite a lot. we met a condition in the middle that he has to play same style/same map. The score was like 8-0 and koget played very aggressive with 1 firebat 1 medic stim rush and unfortunately I didn't stop it well. That's how the showmatch ended. The guy who was playing on Dong222 in ICCup server, we thought he was 9Mutal[HyO], but i found out who he was a week ago. He is yoon who came out on Flash's youtube VODs playing vs Flash. | ||
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LML
Germany1764 Posts
That's exactly what I was talking about and why I (and so many others) don't have any interest in following your personal stuff. It's why so many people see you as a foreigner. But at least you've mentioned it thrice in this thread that you're not a foreigner, so maybe a few more people will know better now and address you properly. | ||
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Anc13nt
1557 Posts
On July 03 2020 16:45 LML wrote: And here you are, deflecting blame on everyone else once again. That's exactly what I was talking about and why I (and so many others) don't have any interest in following your personal stuff. It's why so many people see you as a foreigner. But at least you've mentioned it thrice in this thread that you're not a foreigner, so maybe a few more people will know better now and address you properly. it's really not that serious man | ||
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LaStScan
Korea (South)1289 Posts
On July 03 2020 16:45 LML wrote: And here you are, deflecting blame on everyone else once again. That's exactly what I was talking about and why I (and so many others) don't have any interest in following your personal stuff. It's why so many people see you as a foreigner. But at least you've mentioned it thrice in this thread that you're not a foreigner, so maybe a few more people will know better now and address you properly. I am not deflecting the blame on someone else. I'm talking about all the truth and what it exactly happened in the past. You should look up about JoeKim's confession and the trouble between him and LRM)Game. + Show Spoiler + https://www.liquidpoker.net/poker-forum/988581/LRM)Game_Exposed.html I have a strong feeling you're a kind of person only believe what you would like to believe so I am not planning to argue more. | ||
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Avi-Love
Denmark423 Posts
I do however agree with the sentiment that foreigners (including myself) suck -- and the reason is quite clearly that it's near impossible to get good practice conditions when the best you can hope for is TR10 ladder games against 2.4k+ Koreans. Personally that's why I always stop playing, when a shitty/laggy ladder is your best chance at improving you'll just never catch up to even lower tier Koreans. | ||
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iFU.pauline
France1554 Posts
On June 30 2020 01:32 Bonyth wrote: Sorry, I intended to keep my mouth shut, but false data hit me for 9999 damage. Please stop with the false claims sadego, i have never played against Bisu, at least not his protoss. As for everyone else, here is your ASL god of random dying to a mere foreigner PvZ Make it a painting and frame it on top of your bed, you have slain God. Back to the topic even though they can give them a good run for their money sometimes, tier 5 is still a league above any top non kor players. Foreigners are like Third World level. | ||
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BlueStar
Bulgaria1166 Posts
On July 03 2020 22:42 iFU.pauline wrote: Make it a painting and frame it on top of your bed, you have slain God. Back to the topic even though they can give them a good run for their money sometimes, tier 5 is still a league above any top non kor players. Foreigners are like Third World level. Without the personal stuff - I came to say something like this +1 agree | ||
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Ivory Coast856 Posts
On July 03 2020 11:34 LaStScan wrote: The guy who was playing on Dong222 in ICCup server, we thought he was 9Mutal[HyO], but i found out who he was a week ago. He is yoon who came out on Flash's youtube VODs playing vs Flash. In this context Who is yoon? | ||
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sc19980331
China1609 Posts
1.He’s a full time streamer and taking paid regular training, about 200 ladder games per month, crowdfunded by his fans club. Stream https://live.ixigua.com/652852/ MMR this season: ![[image loading]](https://s1.ax1x.com/2020/07/04/NxUrV0.jpg) 2.In  Sanpao StarLeague CellGame Cup Season 1 last month, he won Ruin and ByungSoo, 2-4 Midas , vod:TvP Ruin https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1mp4y1S7un TvZ ByungSoo https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Vt4y1y72V TvT Midas https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1p54y1B7pd | ||
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Sirris
681 Posts
On July 04 2020 16:58 sc19980331 wrote: Mihu is in Tier 5 undoubtedly. 1.He’s a full time streamer and taking paid regular training, about 200 ladder games per month, crowdfunded by his fans club. Stream https://live.ixigua.com/652852/ MMR this season: 2.In Sanpao StarLeague CellGame Cup Season 1 last month, he won Ruin and ByungSoo, 2-4 Midas , vod:TvP Ruin https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1mp4y1S7un TvZ ByungSoo https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Vt4y1y72V TvT Midas https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1p54y1B7pd I don't want to be rude but these arent really relevant examples. The tier system is based on tournament play. I'm sure hes a good player, however hand picking a few examples of him doing very well against mediocre korean players(at this point - Midas is a legend ) is far from proof that hes as good as them. Im assuming he has quite a few loses against players of this level as well, but you're not linking those games | ||
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Ivory Coast856 Posts
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9-BiT
United States1089 Posts
On July 04 2020 16:58 sc19980331 wrote: Mihu is in Tier 5 undoubtedly. 1.He’s a full time streamer and taking paid regular training, about 200 ladder games per month, crowdfunded by his fans club. Stream https://live.ixigua.com/652852/ MMR this season: 2.In Sanpao StarLeague CellGame Cup Season 1 last month, he won Ruin and ByungSoo, 2-4 Midas , vod:TvP Ruin https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1mp4y1S7un TvZ ByungSoo https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Vt4y1y72V TvT Midas https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1p54y1B7pd I’m glad to know the Chinese community is just as delusional as the rest of the foreign scene. | ||
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LinYu_roy
Germany21 Posts
On July 02 2020 06:47 kogeT wrote: I am tier69 if anyone is wondering. You are too humble! But even tier 69 is way above peasants like us.... | ||
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Jealous
10141 Posts
On July 05 2020 01:50 9-BiT wrote: I’m glad to know the Chinese community is just as delusional as the rest of the foreign scene. To be fair the Chinese community exposed us so hard with F91 vs. Idra that I believe they still have the upper hand to this day. We may all be clowns to Korea but China is closer. | ||
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CadenZie
Korea (South)545 Posts
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onlystar
United States971 Posts
On July 05 2020 12:31 CadenZie wrote: its of my personal opinion that americans are a bit stronger than koreans, korean mmr is kind of easy to come by, also americans match koreans more often than people in korea match koreans (i got this from a reliable source). haha nice this is actually true I've read this on twitch streams in artosis chat | ||
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Anc13nt
1557 Posts
On July 05 2020 04:28 Jealous wrote: To be fair the Chinese community exposed us so hard with F91 vs. Idra that I believe they still have the upper hand to this day. We may all be clowns to Korea but China is closer. yeah and if i recall properly, the last foreigner who gave koreans some trouble in WCG was PJ I think. | ||
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
On July 05 2020 16:55 Anc13nt wrote: yeah and if i recall properly, the last foreigner who gave koreans some trouble in WCG was PJ I think. Correct. Pj vs Savior: 2-1 in wcg 2007. I havent had much contact with the chinese as of late, but when i did in 2016ish, my impression was also that china was a bit ahead of us. Chinese players defeated korean pros more than once in the c-osl's. Progamers had to offrace each 2nd, 4th and 6th game of a match tho. Still some huge upsets. | ||
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LinYu_roy
Germany21 Posts
For example, did you know the 2019 ASIA-PACIFIC STAR KING MASTERS? It was a tournament between top Chinese players selected via online qualifiers and invited Korean pros (Flash, Bisu, Stork, and Zero). (I don't want to spoil it, but the finals are between Koreans ^^) As the organizer put it, the purposes of such tournament are: (1) Celebrate StarCraft with beautiful game-plays, and (2) Show the skill gap between Korean and Chinese players and motivate the Chinese players to reach new highs. Unfortunately, the event is entirely in Chinese; Actually some of the interviews were pretty funny (for example, Flash was asked about his experience visiting his girlfriend's parents, Bisu was asked about why he was still single ...). I recognized some faces sitting in the audience. People are getting older, most of them with kids now, but the love for StarCraft hasn't changed a bit. StarCraft is arguably the first competitive game that was popular in China nationwide. The passion is pure, even till this day. | ||
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littlechava
United States7218 Posts
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.gypsy
Canada689 Posts
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Timebon3s
Norway689 Posts
Happy to hear that bw is popular in China as well | ||
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Avi-Love
Denmark423 Posts
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On July 06 2020 23:28 Avi-Love wrote: Perhaps, in retrospect, the real question is how big of a betting underdog PJ was against Saviour at that WCG? in 2007? Very large i'd say | ||
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XenOsky
Chile2268 Posts
On July 05 2020 01:50 9-BiT wrote: I’m glad to know the Chinese community is just as delusional as the rest of the foreign scene. he can prolly compete at a decent level against players like ggaemo, tyson, artuser, etc... wuts the TR between china and kr like? tr16 low ++? | ||
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[N3O]r3d33m3r
Germany673 Posts
Interesting read: https://geckovod.wordpress.com/2013/09/13/david-vs-goliath-page-3/ | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On July 07 2020 07:04 [N3O]r3d33m3r wrote: Didn't saviour sAviOr lose those WCG matches on purpose too? I mean no way Mondragon could take games off of sAviOr in 2007 during the maestro's prime. Interesting read: https://geckovod.wordpress.com/2013/09/13/david-vs-goliath-page-3/ I think losing like that was sort of common if it meant koreans didnt have to eliminate each other early on, not sure tho | ||
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whiterabbit
2675 Posts
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A.Alm
Sweden515 Posts
On July 07 2020 17:16 whiterabbit wrote: Excuse me but what are "spongames"? sponsored games if i recall | ||
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Sirris
681 Posts
On July 07 2020 17:16 whiterabbit wrote: Excuse me but what are "spongames"? Spon games are "non official" games that are sponsored from a private money source. Specially comming from an individual or a group of people pooling their money. As opposed to a company sponser. So the players are trying, but its not the same stakes as a full official tournament. The money pools are typically much smaller. | ||
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Sirris
681 Posts
Lets not forget Saviors very questionable history...ill just leave it at that. Not saying for sure their was anything going on in those specific games, buts its always a question given what happened with him. | ||
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whiterabbit
2675 Posts
On July 07 2020 18:50 Sirris wrote: Spon games are "non official" games that are sponsored from a private money source. Specially comming from an individual or a group of people pooling their money. As opposed to a company sponser. So the players are trying, but its not the same stakes as a full official tournament. The money pools are typically much smaller. Thanks! So there's some KR website where ppl organize those sponmatches? Are there streams of them? | ||
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Jealous
10141 Posts
On July 07 2020 23:08 whiterabbit wrote: Thanks! So there's some KR website where ppl organize those sponmatches? Are there streams of them? Afreeca | ||
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