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What Tier would non-pro Koreans be?

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masoka82
Profile Joined June 2020
Spain597 Posts
June 29 2020 12:39 GMT
#1
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What Tier would players like Bonyth, Terr0r, Trutacz, Dewalt, Eonzerg be..?

Could they be in Tier 3 along with players like Zelot, YSC etc ??
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51080 Posts
June 29 2020 12:42 GMT
#2
Officially, in the same tier as everyone else who's yet to qualify into an ASL
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FakeFin
Profile Joined December 2018
Germany392 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-29 12:48:16
June 29 2020 12:45 GMT
#3
Even the top foreigners are weaker than probably all of the 63 players that were available in the astl team draft, so no they are way lower than tier 3
Edit: Also the tiers are based on ASL performance, not skill so since no foreigner ever played in an ASL theyd all be tier 5
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
June 29 2020 12:53 GMT
#4
Tier 5 as none of them played in ASL8 or ASL9 that determined the tier rankings. It's possible that they could be better than individual players, but they have to play in ASL to be at least Tier 4 it seems.
Bakuryu
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany1065 Posts
June 29 2020 13:05 GMT
#5
i hope i can go to korea for ASL10 and get further than in ASL8....
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
June 29 2020 13:22 GMT
#6
Queen Tier
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Essbee
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada2371 Posts
June 29 2020 13:34 GMT
#7
Scan is in tier 5 and isn't he way better than any foreigner?
onlystar
Profile Joined March 2015
United States971 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-29 14:19:45
June 29 2020 14:19 GMT
#8
definitely not Tier 3 or any of these Tiers scan is the best foreigner and he is Korean so go figure maybe a Tier 6 for top foreigners & gosu koreans
chillzzz
Profile Joined August 2018
30 Posts
June 29 2020 14:46 GMT
#9
Tier 6.
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-29 14:54:33
June 29 2020 14:53 GMT
#10
I think it's lower than tier 5, although if we get best of the best foreigners like Dewalt, Trutacz, Bonyth, Eon etc. and let them practice vs. top pros they can quickly reach tier 3.

By the way, Killer tier 5? Really? His form isn't as good as post KeSPA era, but he managed to qualify ASL many times, even went to ro8 first time he came back, and was at ro24 last ASL. Beast and free both must be below him.
sunbeams are never made like me...
onlystar
Profile Joined March 2015
United States971 Posts
June 29 2020 15:02 GMT
#11
[QUOTE]On June 29 2020 23:53 outscar wrote:
I think it's lower than tier 5, although if we get best of the best foreigners like Dewalt, Trutacz, Bonyth, Eon etc. and let them practice vs. top pros they can quickly reach tier 3.


this makes no sense at all if they practice with some T3 players they will go up to T3 is no time that's pure speculation
if anything we have seen eon and dewalt play in Korea playing with Korean gosus (not even the semi-pros or T5/4/3) they got smacked down at tr24low Koreans are superior (micro)
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
June 29 2020 15:20 GMT
#12
On June 29 2020 21:42 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Officially, in the same tier as everyone else who's yet to qualify into an ASL

that was a hell of a boring answer if I've seen one
.gypsy
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Canada689 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-29 15:29:10
June 29 2020 15:28 GMT
#13
nowhere close to tier 5.
https://www.twitch.tv/gypsy93
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
June 29 2020 15:56 GMT
#14
Probably tier 6. Most of the foreigners can't stand up to the Koreans as is and Scan beats the majority of foreigners soundly and he's in tier 5.

On June 30 2020 00:20 ROOTFayth wrote:
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On June 29 2020 21:42 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Officially, in the same tier as everyone else who's yet to qualify into an ASL

that was a hell of a boring answer if I've seen one

might be but it's the best response from the lot all things considered.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
bovienchien
Profile Joined March 2014
Vietnam1152 Posts
June 29 2020 15:58 GMT
#15
"What Tier would players like Bonyth, Terr0r, Trutacz, Dewalt, Eonzerg be..?"
They have tier 10, I think!
https://www.facebook.com/StarcraftRemasteredVN/
sadego
Profile Joined September 2019
10 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-29 16:26:42
June 29 2020 16:24 GMT
#16
They would be in the lowest tier. To put into perspective, YSC is a Protoss player at the bottom of tier 3. Yesterday he decisively beat Terror (probably the best foreign Terran player) while off-racing in a TvT. I've seen Best decisively beat YSC while off-racing in ZvP. There's huge skill gaps between these players and there much better than foreigners.

Bisu went 2-0 vs Bonyth the other day and it looked like Bisu was toying with him. Bisu beat Trutacz the other day in a similar manner.

Disclaimer: Bonyth, Trutacz, and Terror are all very good. It's just the top Koreans are on another level.
Bonyth
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland605 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-29 16:49:43
June 29 2020 16:32 GMT
#17
Sorry, I intended to keep my mouth shut, but false data hit me for 9999 damage.
Please stop with the false claims sadego, i have never played against Bisu, at least not his protoss.

As for everyone else, here is your ASL god of random dying to a mere foreigner PvZ

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onlystar
Profile Joined March 2015
United States971 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-29 17:29:33
June 29 2020 17:24 GMT
#18
On June 30 2020 01:32 Bonyth wrote:
Sorry, I intended to keep my mouth shut, but false data hit me for 9999 damage.
Please stop with the false claims sadego, i have never played against Bisu, at least not his protoss.

As for everyone else, here is your ASL god of random dying to a mere foreigner PvZ

[image loading]


posting that ss makes u look kinda silly imo.a random ladder game with flash offracing with his worst race. like should we post here ss how u got nuked by bishop in a spon game

doesn't add to the discussion

like imo a reasonable reaction would be to just say yes we top foreigners do not belong in T5 we are below that if anyone would like to know.....
[N3O]r3d33m3r
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany673 Posts
June 29 2020 17:29 GMT
#19
On June 29 2020 23:19 onlystar wrote:
definitely not Tier 3 or any of these Tiers scan is the best foreigner and he is Korean so go figure maybe a Tier 6 for top foreigners & gosu koreans
Scan is the best foreigner? I thought Bonyth, Eonzerg or Sziky are?
onlystar
Profile Joined March 2015
United States971 Posts
June 29 2020 17:30 GMT
#20
On June 30 2020 02:29 [N3O]r3d33m3r wrote:
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On June 29 2020 23:19 onlystar wrote:
definitely not Tier 3 or any of these Tiers scan is the best foreigner and he is Korean so go figure maybe a Tier 6 for top foreigners & gosu koreans
Scan is the best foreigner? I thought Bonyth, Eonzerg or Sziky are?


hah em actually scan isn't a foreigner no longer like he lives in Korea now so sure pass on the title to some ''other'' top foreigner as said before scan is way higher skill level that all the top foreigners
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