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Rovant1c
Profile Joined October 2014
China72 Posts
June 30 2020 06:36 GMT
#41
Chinese No.1 player "Mihu" beat Ruin and ArtUser a few days ago.So I think he could be in Tier5.
LaStScan
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)1289 Posts
June 30 2020 07:10 GMT
#42
On June 30 2020 15:36 Rovant1c wrote:
Chinese No.1 player "Mihu" beat Ruin and ArtUser a few days ago.So I think he could be in Tier5.


The tier list is decided by ASL performance. Everyone starts at Tier 5. Beating a specific player doesn't mean he should be belong in Tier X. Like I explained in page 2, I beat Beast, Rush, Free, Light, Motive in Team Resun`z internal ranking practice and it doesn't mean I can be in a higher tier than Tier 5.
Trying my best for ASL, ASTL
g0rynich
Profile Joined October 2016
Russian Federation139 Posts
June 30 2020 08:35 GMT
#43
Well, the only games with high motivation and 100% skill usage counts. Surely tournament games and official spongames. Ladder is just practice. Everyone are lazy enough to play every ladder games with 100% of his skill and efforts usage.

As i can mention bonyth/terror/dewalt are the only players who beat some day to day korean amateurs and tier5 players from that table. For example on jeez tourneys. So i can sign under the opinion that bonyth terror and dewalt are in the lower list of tier5 just right on the line between tier5/tier6. Im watching a lot of fpvods of korean pros comparing to fpvods/replays of foreigners. Foreigners are not even close. That is sadly thruth
Shinokuki
Profile Joined July 2013
United States923 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-30 14:19:05
June 30 2020 13:59 GMT
#44
On June 30 2020 16:10 LaStScan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2020 15:36 Rovant1c wrote:
Chinese No.1 player "Mihu" beat Ruin and ArtUser a few days ago.So I think he could be in Tier5.


The tier list is decided by ASL performance. Everyone starts at Tier 5. Beating a specific player doesn't mean he should be belong in Tier X. Like I explained in page 2, I beat Beast, Rush, Free, Light, Motive in Team Resun`z internal ranking practice and it doesn't mean I can be in a higher tier than Tier 5.


I mean no one is doubting your skills scan. You can reach top 5 ladder easily. What we need to see though is some level of evidence that you can be in tier 4++. Can you try to place in top 20 for sponbbang? can you at least reach asl? can you participate in race war? That's how you become known and prove yourself. So far you're ranked only at 38th on sponbbang playing the weak players, not even placed in asl/ksl yet. that's the reality man

Edit: I actually apologize for saying this. Didn't realize you yourself said you can't be higher than tier 5 atm. I'm sure you'll be a future addition to the new generation (sorry, soma, fantazy) if you keep practicing hardcore. Once you reach top 20 sponbbang i'm sure the rest of the success will follow.
Life is just life
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
June 30 2020 14:03 GMT
#45
On June 30 2020 22:59 Shinokuki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2020 16:10 LaStScan wrote:
On June 30 2020 15:36 Rovant1c wrote:
Chinese No.1 player "Mihu" beat Ruin and ArtUser a few days ago.So I think he could be in Tier5.


The tier list is decided by ASL performance. Everyone starts at Tier 5. Beating a specific player doesn't mean he should be belong in Tier X. Like I explained in page 2, I beat Beast, Rush, Free, Light, Motive in Team Resun`z internal ranking practice and it doesn't mean I can be in a higher tier than Tier 5.


I mean no one is doubting your skills scan. You can reach top 5 ladder easily. What we need to see though is some level of evidence that you can be in tier 4++. Can you try to place in top 20 for sponbbang? can you at least reach asl? can you participate in race war? That's how you become known and prove yourself. So far you're ranked only at 38th on sponbbang playing the weak players, not even placed in asl/ksl yet. that's the reality man

Thanks for reinforcing his point, but in a way that also for no reason takes a conga of jabs at Scan?
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Master of DalK
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Canada1802 Posts
June 30 2020 14:46 GMT
#46
On June 30 2020 11:04 LaStScan wrote:
Im korean citizen and served korean military service for 2 years. I still dont understand why im called foreigner.

Because when Americans have nothing else to run with they try to take claim for someone else's achievements. Happens all the time in the fighting game community too lol
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oxKnu
Profile Joined December 2017
1240 Posts
June 30 2020 15:27 GMT
#47
Spon-game leaderbord is the only real assesment of skill in SC1:Remastered.

Everything else is just fluff.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
June 30 2020 16:06 GMT
#48
I feel like there is a disconnect between the actual tiers in the tourney and those who want to talk about hypothetical tiers. For reference, if you goto the OP of this page and open up the "+ Show Spoiler [ Tier List] +" you can see exactly what the tiers are and how it is calculated. https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/560327-afreeca-starcraft-team-league-announced

From that, you can see that when we are talking about tier 5, this is not some sort of discussion about power ranking, but just a convenient way for Afreeca to group players for the purpose of the tournament.

Funny stuff from this thread: Scan is an honorary foreigner and he is not pleased. Flash is ASL god of random.
cRoSsy
Profile Joined August 2019
66 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-30 18:54:00
June 30 2020 18:47 GMT
#49
Tier 5 players are not for 1v1 play. They are chosen to play 2v2 matches. Top amateur korean 1v1 players like shinee or yoon are not included
HaFnium
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United Kingdom1075 Posts
June 30 2020 19:38 GMT
#50
I think while the top foreigners can take a game or two off the Koreans, there is still quite a significant skill gap.

Not to mention about the experience of playing live games on stage as well.
It's something that even the Korean Amateurs are struggling (compared with ex-pros)

Btw can you recruit specialist fastest players to the team or can you only go with what's on the list?
BW forever!
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10258 Posts
June 30 2020 20:19 GMT
#51
On June 29 2020 22:34 Essbee wrote:
Scan is in tier 5 and isn't he way better than any foreigner?

Foreigners cried about Scan being in the TL tournaments way back when. So wherever Scan is, foreigners are below him.

Tier 6.
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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
June 30 2020 20:21 GMT
#52
On July 01 2020 05:19 FlaShFTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2020 22:34 Essbee wrote:
Scan is in tier 5 and isn't he way better than any foreigner?

Foreigners cried about Scan being in the TL tournaments way back when. So wherever Scan is, foreigners are below him.

Tier 6.

https://www.captiongenerator.com/51630/Scan-in-TLS-tournaments
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[N3O]r3d33m3r
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany673 Posts
June 30 2020 20:47 GMT
#53
There should be a BO9 between Scan and Bonyth tbh. So he can cement his spot as the #1 player (compared to foreigners).
CrymeaTerran
Profile Joined May 2017
149 Posts
July 01 2020 05:51 GMT
#54
Everyone here who forgot about the crying some years ago about scan, dunning kruger effect strikes hard back at it again. Not even a bo3 you can win vs him. hilarious and some guys think they are t3 or something delusional world you are living in
Sziky = Love
NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3123 Posts
July 01 2020 06:29 GMT
#55
Who said they were T3?
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XenOsky
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Chile2303 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-01 08:18:04
July 01 2020 07:55 GMT
#56
On June 30 2020 16:10 LaStScan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2020 15:36 Rovant1c wrote:
Chinese No.1 player "Mihu" beat Ruin and ArtUser a few days ago.So I think he could be in Tier5.


The tier list is decided by ASL performance. Everyone starts at Tier 5. Beating a specific player doesn't mean he should be belong in Tier X. Like I explained in page 2, I beat Beast, Rush, Free, Light, Motive in Team Resun`z internal ranking practice and it doesn't mean I can be in a higher tier than Tier 5.



u gosu, i'll be rooting for you.

u tier #1 in my <3
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outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
July 01 2020 08:01 GMT
#57
I never said they belong to tier 3, but lower than tier 5 which is 6. If only chosen foriegners will go to train vs. top pros with KeSPA regime (deliberately 10 hours practice daily) they can reach tier 3. That's what I'm hoping for.
sunbeams are never made like me...
CrymeaTerran
Profile Joined May 2017
149 Posts
July 01 2020 09:46 GMT
#58
On July 01 2020 15:29 NoS-Craig wrote:
Who said they were T3?


u never read the first page, aight?
Sziky = Love
NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3123 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-01 11:31:01
July 01 2020 11:30 GMT
#59
No I can't see anyone saying that. Unless we're interpreting post differently. OP said 'could' not 'yes they are T3'. Chill dude aight.
Artosis loves Starcraft
9-BiT
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States1089 Posts
July 01 2020 16:32 GMT
#60
foreigners are insanely delusional, the absolute best foreigners get completely slammed by koreans that would never qualify for ASL. And this is just on laggy ladder/one off sponmatches, if any koreans bothered learning the gimmicky playstyles that foreigners use it would be even more one sided.
kwark_uk: @father_sc learn to play maybe?
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