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KSL Season 4 Announced - Starts October 31st - Page 2

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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19367 Posts
September 27 2019 19:55 GMT
#21
On September 28 2019 03:47 Ideas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2019 01:08 BisuDagger wrote:
Disregarding Rain's PvP, who is the scariest opponent that could participate in this KSL?


Rain, Snow, Zero, Light, Last? mini/stork/best/sharp/soma/action are also pretty good right now.

Given Light's momentum, he might be who people fear most.
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Ziggy
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
South Korea2106 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-27 21:56:08
September 27 2019 21:53 GMT
#22
Nvm, too soon; lets stay optimistic!
WriterDefeating a sandwich only makes it tastier. @imjustziggy
Scott david
Profile Joined September 2019
3 Posts
September 28 2019 00:43 GMT
#23
--- Nuked ---
bovienchien
Profile Joined March 2014
Vietnam1152 Posts
September 28 2019 01:14 GMT
#24
On September 28 2019 02:32 Waxangel wrote:
Blizzard-sponsored BW in 2020 confirmed

Hearing seem we can alive a year more )
https://www.facebook.com/StarcraftRemasteredVN/
pebble444
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Italy2503 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-28 01:21:06
September 28 2019 01:18 GMT
#25
so glad they are bringing back Matchpoint, really good map to see

Edit:
For those who saying map pool is boring you obviously never saw this game back in the day:
"Awaken my Child, and embrace the Glory that is your Birthright"
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11086 Posts
September 28 2019 01:28 GMT
#26
Oh man, they took their sweet time.

:D Always get a bit worried during the wait. Hope we get some breakout stars this time. I love me some toss but a new zerg dark horse would be welcome.
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51081 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-28 02:55:11
September 28 2019 02:54 GMT
#27
On September 28 2019 10:18 pebble444 wrote:
so glad they are bringing back Matchpoint, really good map to see

Edit:
For those who saying map pool is boring you obviously never saw this game back in the day:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ijf6RysNq9I


don't let match point take away from the fact that the map pool still has FS and CB.
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AntiHack
Profile Joined January 2009
Switzerland553 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-28 03:14:52
September 28 2019 03:12 GMT
#28
Hopefully a better and more interesting map pool of the previous season.

Edit: There's no need for FS and CB again, everybody knows those maps, It's not like we have to learn how to play those maps on ladder from the pros.
"I am very tired of your grammar errors" - Zoler[MB]
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
September 28 2019 05:53 GMT
#29
Didn't had time to catch BW. Will FlaSh play ? Or is it too big of a tournament for his Shoulder ?
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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
September 28 2019 06:54 GMT
#30
On September 28 2019 14:53 FFW_Rude wrote:
Didn't had time to catch BW. Will FlaSh play ? Or is it too big of a tournament for his Shoulder ?

Hopefuly, he doesn't strain himself mroe after explicitly saying he wouldn't do it again.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4267 Posts
September 28 2019 09:40 GMT
#31
On September 28 2019 10:18 pebble444 wrote:
so glad they are bringing back Matchpoint, really good map to see

Edit:
For those who saying map pool is boring you obviously never saw this game back in the day:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ijf6RysNq9I

Yeah, I saw it. Like 5 times at least. This is one of my favourite BW games of all time..

doesn't change the fact that map pool is just INCREDIBLY boring this season..

*Yawn*
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4267 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-28 09:44:27
September 28 2019 09:41 GMT
#32
On September 28 2019 12:12 AntiHack wrote:
Hopefully a better and more interesting map pool of the previous season.

Edit: There's no need for FS and CB again, everybody knows those maps, It's not like we have to learn how to play those maps on ladder from the pros.

yeah.. FS and CB still being played at this level is truly a bad joke..

The map pool is definitely more boring this time around, if you can even believe such thing can be possible..

I was really hoping to see Power Bond and Tres Pass being played at pro level.. these pro players always go for fun builds on these new maps..

I just hope the games are going to be of awesome quality, at least..
pebble444
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Italy2503 Posts
September 28 2019 10:52 GMT
#33
On September 28 2019 18:40 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2019 10:18 pebble444 wrote:
so glad they are bringing back Matchpoint, really good map to see

Edit:
For those who saying map pool is boring you obviously never saw this game back in the day:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ijf6RysNq9I

Yeah, I saw it. Like 5 times at least. This is one of my favourite BW games of all time..

doesn't change the fact that map pool is just INCREDIBLY boring this season..

*Yawn*


that's pretty INCREDIBLE:

well, I guess we have the same taste in Vods, just not the same in maps; I for example am not particulary impressed in any Korean map that came out after the remastered, (not that I know all of them); but still, the maps of a tournament should in no way be about what someone wants to watch, from the outside; it should be about what is happening in this moment (old maps too), the current meta trends, the nature of the tournament, the percentuage of races involved, and the ranks of the players who participate in said tournament. If a map is popular to play, you can be sure that it will be popular to watch, because the players will have practiced it, and may pull out interesting or unorthodox strategies. Of course, I am basing this on my idea and Foreign Tournaments, the structures, supports, sponsors and all must be somewhat different in Korea.

Also, saying why are Big scale tournaments playing CB or FS is just like, uhm, stupid? I understand if you are sick and tired of seeying this maps on stream, (I don' t even like CB to be honest), but really man...
All in all, you could be a little more cheering, instead of saying that's the map pool is boring. like what do you except will come from this behaviour? I don' t think Ksl reads these threads on TL, I might be wrong, so this is like sending a letter to someone who will never receive it.
"Awaken my Child, and embrace the Glory that is your Birthright"
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4267 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-28 11:39:33
September 28 2019 11:36 GMT
#34
On September 28 2019 19:52 pebble444 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2019 18:40 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
On September 28 2019 10:18 pebble444 wrote:
so glad they are bringing back Matchpoint, really good map to see

Edit:
For those who saying map pool is boring you obviously never saw this game back in the day:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ijf6RysNq9I

Yeah, I saw it. Like 5 times at least. This is one of my favourite BW games of all time..

doesn't change the fact that map pool is just INCREDIBLY boring this season..

*Yawn*


that's pretty INCREDIBLE:

well, I guess we have the same taste in Vods, just not the same in maps; I for example am not particulary impressed in any Korean map that came out after the remastered, (not that I know all of them); but still, the maps of a tournament should in no way be about what someone wants to watch, from the outside; it should be about what is happening in this moment (old maps too), the current meta trends, the nature of the tournament, the percentuage of races involved, and the ranks of the players who participate in said tournament. If a map is popular to play, you can be sure that it will be popular to watch, because the players will have practiced it, and may pull out interesting or unorthodox strategies. Of course, I am basing this on my idea and Foreign Tournaments, the structures, supports, sponsors and all must be somewhat different in Korea.

Also, saying why are Big scale tournaments playing CB or FS is just like, uhm, stupid? I understand if you are sick and tired of seeying this maps on stream, (I don' t even like CB to be honest), but really man...
All in all, you could be a little more cheering, instead of saying that's the map pool is boring. like what do you except will come from this behaviour? I don' t think Ksl reads these threads on TL, I might be wrong, so this is like sending a letter to someone who will never receive it.


I've said that I hope that at least the games will be of good quality and the tournament will be better than the last one.

And because of this atrocious map pool Nothing more "cheerful" will be coming from me until the tournament will actually start and we are able to see the groups, the games, the production, etc.

Nothing wrong with standard maps at all, but ffs.. this is a pro tournament of the highest caliber.. go for 4 to 3 ratio - 4 standard ones and 3 "odd" ones just to spice things up a bit. That's all I'm saying. Was always like that in korean tournaments and it should stay that way if you ask me.

But still.. Using FS and CB in a top tier tournament in 2019 is just inexplicable to me..
Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3700 Posts
September 28 2019 14:53 GMT
#35
Eh not a fan of online qualifiers, but what can you do. Maybe if they keep changing venue every season, one day this'll end up at a competent production company for once. One can always hope. Let's see if they can have somewhat decent sound for once.
Not a fan of the map pool either, but it's what you'd expect from a blizz run event. Still hoping that one day some other company, maybe SPO or OGN, finds an agreement with Blizzard to run their own events so Blizzard doesn't have to anymore. Though I doubt that modern Blizz would ever wave/reduce that massive fee. I'm so grateful to Afreeca for paying it every season/year. That CEO is one hell of a guy.
Still having my fingers crossed for Bisu, but Blizzard had to do this with Twitch, when all the big Starcraft streamers are on Afreeca...
AntiHack
Profile Joined January 2009
Switzerland553 Posts
September 29 2019 13:10 GMT
#36
I just wanted to point out that it's not really a matter of personal opinion on the map pool, it's clear that the Korean audience likes fancy maps that enables colourful experiments by the pros.
That's why delivering innovative maps should be a priority for the KSL production.
"I am very tired of your grammar errors" - Zoler[MB]
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4179 Posts
September 30 2019 13:44 GMT
#37
Awesome, more BW is always welcome
PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5221 Posts
September 30 2019 16:31 GMT
#38
Having both CB and FS is like when Lucina & dark pit were both selectable characters in Smash. There's 100's of old maps and also tons of new ones to select from having 2 of the most overplayed standard map is wrong even with most sets in KSL inflated to Bo5/7 no one needs it I believe.
The heart's eternal vow
CobaltBlu
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States919 Posts
September 30 2019 16:52 GMT
#39
I'm fine if we let FS die at this point and we definitely don't need it in every tournament.

I'm happy to see KSL continue though, I was worried for a while there!
y2kid
Profile Joined May 2018
92 Posts
September 30 2019 16:53 GMT
#40
Could not find details on two things, hopefully you people can help me out:

1. Is Bisu gonna try and qualify? (Maybe the koreans watching his stream would know best)
2. Saying that all matches will be casted in English - does that include qualifiers as well?
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