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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
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Freakling
Germany1526 Posts
On March 08 2019 13:33 SCWes wrote: You forgot (2)Overwatch!It's up. (2) Cross Game 1.07 (3) Medusa 2.2 (4) Fighting Spirit 1.3 (4) Circuit breakers 1.0 (4) In the way of an Eddy 1.06 (4) Colosseum 2.0 Preliminaries will be: Game 1 - (4) Fighting Spirit 1.3 Game 2 - (4) Circuit breakers 1.0 Game 3 - (3) Medusa 2.2 So, basically this season's ladder maps except (4) Ground Zero 2, but with the addition of (4) Colosseum. Can't say I am too happy about Colosseum or Cross Game. On March 08 2019 14:42 Bakuryu wrote: I'll check this out. Weird bug, not sure what could be causing it. But if I can figure it out I'll try and fix it.i wish cross game would get an update so my units dont stop before the rally point. (zerg bottom left, rally main hatch to right side of natural hatch [like 4-5 hex to the right of it], some units from main now stop inbetween the rally point and the ramp to the main.... they are about half a screen short of the rally point...) Got a screenshot as a starting point? On March 08 2019 23:55 Ideas wrote: Cross Game and Overwatch are new, as far as the Korean pro scene is concerned.Would have liked to see a new map besides Eddy. It's an OK map but sorta boring. It'd be fine if there weren't 3 other very standard 4 player maps in the pool. On March 09 2019 00:11 Ideas wrote: They want to stick to the ladder map pool for the most part. On the bright side, this means players will be pretty familiar with all the maps, so the early rounds aren't gonna be too much of a cheesefest.Yeah that's true, I guess I just want more than 1 actually new map if the map pool is going to have SIX maps haha. I appreciate that KSL is trying to differentiate itself from the ASL by using more standard maps and having Bo5s in the group stages and whatnot, and I suppose the standard maps are there to make playing so many BoXs a little easier to prepare for. Honestly assuming they definitely want to keep FS/CB, I'd be happy if they replaced Eddy or Colosseum with 1 more new map or at least another older 2/3 player map. | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12022 Posts
They want to stick to the ladder map pool for the most part. On the bright side, this means players will be pretty familiar with all the maps, so the early rounds aren't gonna be too much of a cheesefest. Thing is as long as they're old KeSPA maps then the current pros know all of them really well given how much they've played all of them. That's why I think Medusa and Colosseum being here are the best 2 additions. <3 | ||
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oEkY
Germany644 Posts
On March 08 2019 23:32 TT1 wrote: aw no overwatch :[ The list in the op seems to be wrong, obviously there have to be 7 maps for this tourney (5 maps which will be played in each bo5 + 2 vetoes) overwatch is in the map pool (check out the offical homepage which is also linked in the op  | ||
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TT1
Canada9987 Posts
On March 09 2019 03:55 oEkY wrote: The list in the op seems to be wrong, obviously there have to be 7 maps for this tourney (5 maps which will be played in each bo5 + 2 vetoes) overwatch is in the map pool (check out the offical homepage which is also linked in the op ahhh right, ty | ||
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ArcadePlus
United States44 Posts
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SlayerS_BunkiE
Canada1706 Posts
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JakePlissken
55 Posts
I like all these maps except Cross Game, I don't know how Zerg gets a third base in ZvT. Colosseum is annoying to play but fun to watch. | ||
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RWLabs
Korea (South)273 Posts
On March 08 2019 22:54 onlystar wrote: Just by saying third world are really bad for Zerg and not for Terran tvp I can’t take your post serious at all + you are cherry picking statistics from cb/fs show where what your stats pulled? You say, as you provide no evidence for your claims. Where else would I get the data? Spponbbang.com of course. Below is the data taken from January 2018 to now, ELO scores (far right) used. This is the data for FS and CS. Notice how Terrans' worst match-up in those maps are literally 50/50 against TvT? In what world do we live in where Terrans can beat both Zerg and Protosses with a cool 55% winrate and still call the map neutral? And this is the data for 3rd World. Notice how Terrans beat Zerg, Protoss beat both, and Zergs lose to everyone? Speaking from a PvT perspective the discrepancy in winrate is only 2.6%. Finally, this is Sparkle. Terrans beat Protosses and lose to Zerg. And while Zergs thrash Terrans, they also have the lowest winrate possible on that map of 30.4% against Protosses. As for PvT? A 5.8% advantage for Terrans. Where's the outrage over maps when maps like Roadkill boasts a TvP of 56.6% and TvZ of 55.0%? But if Flash loses to Snow apparently the maps are to blame, despite the maps in ASL 5 being reasonable for TvP, with the exception of Transistor (which Flash won). | ||
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SCWes
Canada74 Posts
Yea my bad, I fixed it | ||
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onlystar
United States971 Posts
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onlystar
United States971 Posts
On March 09 2019 09:12 RWLabs wrote: You say, as you provide no evidence for your claims. Where else would I get the data? Spponbbang.com of course. Below is the data taken from January 2018 to now, ELO scores (far right) used. This is the data for FS and CS. Notice how Terrans' worst match-up in those maps are literally 50/50 against TvT? In what world do we live in where Terrans can beat both Zerg and Protosses with a cool 55% winrate and still call the map neutral? And this is the data for 3rd World. Notice how Terrans beat Zerg, Protoss beat both, and Zergs lose to everyone? Speaking from a PvT perspective the discrepancy in winrate is only 2.6%. Finally, this is Sparkle. Terrans beat Protosses and lose to Zerg. And while Zergs thrash Terrans, they also have the lowest winrate possible on that map of 30.4% against Protosses. As for PvT? A 5.8% advantage for Terrans. Where's the outrage over maps when maps like Roadkill boasts a TvP of 56.6% and TvZ of 55.0%? But if Flash loses to Snow apparently the maps are to blame, despite the maps in ASL 5 being reasonable for TvP, with the exception of Transistor (which Flash won). your tone is very humorous to me in this post.. ''terrans can beat both zerg and protosses with a cool 55% winrate and stil call the map neutral'' (55% is still on the edge of a acceptable map imbalance as most players agree since 51/52/53 i just rare to hit on anymap..) '' ASL 5 being reasonable for TvP, with the exception of Transistor (which Flash won).[/QUOTE]'' so funny that you add the flash won part where you not able to judge the game for what it is why he won the map at all? flash wentout on an all-in push to kill, everything to avoid a late game on the map since carriers are completely OP on that map and ripped him apart in litterly every practice match in late games. ''But if Flash loses to Snow apparently the maps are to blame,'' ''asl5 being reasonable for TvP'' this is even more hilarious you set up a bo5 with at least 2 maps that are complete hell for terran and third world is used x2(even designed to give terran a horrable time Transisor /third world/) even the map makers/asl organisation has said the maps are designed to not have flash as another asl winner when you read these things so many things go trough my head like how you can look deeper into the statistics whats going on what is happing with the terran lineup flash/last/mind that where wrecking afreeca but hey something tells me this one is not able to listen to reasoning this one is lost | ||
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errol1001
454 Posts
CB & FS both being in the map pool is disappointing, but if we get good games, it's alright. I hope certain players don't decide to sit this one out. so funny that you add the flash won part where you not able to judge the game for what it is why he won the map at all? flash wentout on an all-in push to kill, everything to avoid a late game on the map since carriers are completely OP on that map and ripped him apart in litterly every practice match in late games. The only reason he emphasized that Flash won on that map is to point out that Flash lost on the relatively balanced maps, and the one truly bad one, he won on. The point was NOT to say that that map is actually not bad for Terran........... | ||
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onlystar
United States971 Posts
On March 09 2019 14:45 errol1001 wrote: I hope this KSL is better. Not sure what it is exactly, but the level of play felt much lower than ASL6 or ASL7 overall. CB & FS both being in the map pool is disappointing, but if we get good games, it's alright. I hope certain players don't decide to sit this one out. The only reason he emphasized that Flash won on that map is to point out that Flash lost on the relatively balanced maps, and the one truly bad one, he won on. The point was NOT to say that that map is actually not bad for Terran........... now read what i wrote about it.. lol | ||
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JakePlissken
55 Posts
On March 09 2019 14:45 errol1001 wrote: I hope this KSL is better. Not sure what it is exactly, but the level of play felt much lower than ASL6 or ASL7 overall. . I think after KSL1, a lot of pros decided that it required too much effort to compete in two leagues simultaneously, even if they don't overlap (although they did at the end of ASL6). Jaedong specifically said he wanted to focus solely on ASL and forfeited his seed. Best, Horang2, Shine, Stork, Sea, Snow, and Shuttle all played in the first one and either didn't try or got knocked out in qualifiers. That's a lot of talent to lose from one season to another. Big names like Flash and EffOrt have never entered either. ASL is the more prestigious league for sure, just like OSL vs. MSL from the Kespa days. KSL is likely to remain second-fiddle. They had that kooky winner picks business in season 1 and a weak player roster for season 2. But I hope more of the top tier players show up because I prefer the format of KSL. | ||
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oxKnu
1133 Posts
On March 09 2019 20:14 JakePlissken wrote: I think after KSL1, a lot of pros decided that it required too much effort to compete in two leagues simultaneously, even if they don't overlap (although they did at the end of ASL6). Jaedong specifically said he wanted to focus solely on ASL and forfeited his seed. Best, Horang2, Shine, Stork, Sea, Snow, and Shuttle all played in the first one and either didn't try or got knocked out in qualifiers. That's a lot of talent to lose from one season to another. Big names like Flash and EffOrt have never entered either. ASL is the more prestigious league for sure, just like OSL vs. MSL from the Kespa days. KSL is likely to remain second-fiddle. They had that kooky winner picks business in season 1 and a weak player roster for season 2. But I hope more of the top tier players show up because I prefer the format of KSL. KSL is vastly superior to ASL. Format, map choices, qualifier format and the overall tournament is far more professional compared to ASL which is more about "showing good games" and aimless banter. ASL is important because it's Afreeca and that's how broodwar streamers make money in Korea. How much has Jaedong won out of competitive broodwar since he came back in BW a few years ago? How much from donations?... I think that's the main reason he skipped it that year. Plus the format, a lot of these guys don't want to play a potential 7-game series against another top pro. If Flash enters KSL and he loses to someone 4-2 or 4-3 partly because his wrists are flaming up, even his own fans will probably flame him like hell. If he doesn't, still thousands of people will tune in and watch his stream. | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49496 Posts
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TaardadAiel
Bulgaria750 Posts
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mishimaBeef
Canada2259 Posts
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oxKnu
1133 Posts
On March 09 2019 22:51 TaardadAiel wrote: How is it vastly superior, exactly? I guess I failed to qualify that. As a competitive e-sports tournament I meant. I for one don't really enjoy the Bo1 format, the shitty music and the various gimmicky features that ASL comes with. | ||
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