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Hey there,
Lately I discoverd that with low speed you can micro a lot more (well duh!), wich i have been doing now for some time against 2 pc's (i'm really bad, like E-minus on abyss). I was wondering if other people (noobs like me) want to play games on lower speed?
I think it's only normal to play on lower speed when you have less skill: that way you can do all the fun things -- wich i feel deprived of in normal (fastest) games. In normal games i dont have time to micro, it's like i'm only playing 20% of scbw, cause i dont have time for the other 80%.
Anyone up to it? Reply here or pm me.
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i don't think the best way to get better is to play on a slower speed and gradually turn the speed up, somehow. it can be fun to handicap things to make them easier to do sometimes, but if you find the right mindstate it can be just as fun not to be able to do things but to die trying.
that's what starcraft is all about, hard to learn, and you have to learn to have fun in some kind of modest sense or something acceptant of your lack of skill. not like some other games where as a newb you can get the sense that you're accomplishing something well enough, even if it could be done alot better, but much of the only fun is in trying to do certain things which at a certain level you likely fail at completely.
could be fun i guess but bad habbit.
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Norway28678 Posts
first year or maybe even 2 years of starcraft i played more on fast speed than on fastest
used more fun units those 2 years than in any other period of the game.. so if you're patient (these days it would be impossible for me to enjoy playing on any other speed) and you find someone else who wants to play on fast or whatever, you'll probably have just as much if not more fun than on fastest. 
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CruiseR
Poland4014 Posts
when 2 gosus play on slowest , game may take ~1hour but the gameplay in replay (watched on fastest ++) seems to be ideal, and avg apm is 800-1000 ;]
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how often do gosus play on slowest though?
kurwa
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in wc2 they variate gamespeeds like variating maps actually. which is cool. in that game though micro can be pretty hard somehow on fastest speed. something to do with the lag, which is much of why they variate. but it's like they'll have a tournament with first round fastest garden of war resources high and second round fast resources medium on high seas combat. that game is really nice in some ways.
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Russian Federation4235 Posts
The thing I strongly disagree with is that playing on slow speed can somehow make you better. You have to adjust to the pace of the game from start.
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IMO playing on slower speeds is great for learning how BO's work though. It would be easier to time things without having crazy multitask.
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
i doubt playing on slower speeds helps you that much, since the sense of timing in adjusting to faster speeds is going to take you some time
look at it this way. for those that play guitar hero: sure, it's fun and easy to keep playing on easy, or medium. but once you switch to expert, even though it's painful to begin with, going back to easy and medium is a total joke. it's like practicing swinging with heavier bats in baseball
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OMG anything that's not on Fastest game speed makes me want to throw my laptop out the window :O
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On May 21 2007 09:23 KrAzYfoOL wrote:
how often do gosus play on slowest though?
kurwa
Why the insult ?
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United States12236 Posts
On May 21 2007 10:12 GrandInquisitor wrote:
i doubt playing on slower speeds helps you that much, since the sense of timing in adjusting to faster speeds is going to take you some time
look at it this way. for those that play guitar hero: sure, it's fun and easy to keep playing on easy, or medium. but once you switch to expert, even though it's painful to begin with, going back to easy and medium is a total joke. it's like practicing swinging with heavier bats in baseball
That's an apt comparison. I played on Fast and Faster for a long time in 2v2s. Some players would accept it and play along, others would question "why Fast/Faster?", and still others would complain or mistake the slower speed for lag. Performing impressive feats of micro is much easier on Fast/Faster, but playing on those speeds is good practice for the Fastest speed setting. On Fast/Faster, you can learn the fundamentals of advanced micro (such as momentum firing, dancing, drop-popping, and cloning) and eventually learn to perform them on Fastest with regular success. After that, Fast/Faster may seem agonizingly slow or "newbish" but they're merely there for novice or average players as stepping stones.
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I think if you really want to learn, it's better to start on fastest. Then when you get use to that speed, you can play on one of the slower settings to get a more thorough understanding of micro / BO/ whatever. Playing constantly at lower speeds will result in you getting use to that speed, and makes the transition harder. It's more noticeable to go from faster to slower and you'll notice your 'micro improve' (in relation to in game timing anyways, honestly, your real time APM will stay the same, but you'll play with a more 'pro-ish strategy' at those speeds). Going from slower to fastest, obviously makes your micro slower, and encourages you to stay at those settings instead, rather then improving you, in my opinion.
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I want to play custom games at the fastest speed. Last time I played Starcraft was before brood war. Now the competition thing is insane.
I know I can change the speed manually. But every time when I restart my custom game I have to reset it. I need to practice how to get my probes to mine perfectly at fastest speed.
So I need to set it to fastest at default. Is there a file I can edit? Can I patch/mod the game? How about a command line thingy?
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Braavos36375 Posts
if you need practice splitting your first 4 workers just play the comp on bnet
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Prometheus - you could always make a game on Multiplayer Local Area Connection where you can set the game.
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I don't think you should play at any slower speed under any circumstance other then watching replays, because you will only be handicapping yourself.
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koreans practice on x16 speed
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I disagree. I very much like playing on slowest speed. The game is completely different. You can move the mele units arround carefully and micro them. Zerg units can heal if they live. Protoss can recharge. Terrans and run a rearguard action and a rolling defense, or flanking and enveloping actions with medics. It's a whole different game. I have 2 other guys who I play with regularly and they agree with me. In fact we are looking for another person to play with us reguarly. if anyone is interested send me an email. Thanks,
-G
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Slow speeds are bad for learning but can be great fun.
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On May 21 2007 09:13 CruiseR wrote:
when 2 gosus play on slowest , game may take ~1hour but the gameplay in replay (watched on fastest ++) seems to be ideal, and avg apm is 800-1000 ;]
Yeah I think I'd hit at LEAST 600-700 APM at slowest 
Who wouldn't?
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On May 23 2007 02:23 Hot_Bid wrote:
if you need practice splitting your first 4 workers just play the comp on bnet
lol
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On June 05 2007 07:30 Sr18 wrote:
Slow speeds are bad for learning but can be great fun.
I disagree with this utterly =). Anytime that I play on anything but fastest I wanna fucking kill myself because it is just so slow and boring.
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On May 21 2007 10:24 lololol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2007 09:23 KrAzYfoOL wrote:
how often do gosus play on slowest though?
kurwa Why the insult ?
Not an insult of the recipient Its more like damn it -,-
And I would love to see progamer playing with units that move build etc.. as in faster and playing against some chobo whose units would move normally like in fastest speed -,-
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You must learn to walk before you can run.
I think it'd be best to play on slower speed and then graduately fasten it up.
On May 21 2007 10:12 GrandInquisitor wrote:
i doubt playing on slower speeds helps you that much, since the sense of timing in adjusting to faster speeds is going to take you some time
look at it this way. for those that play guitar hero: sure, it's fun and easy to keep playing on easy, or medium. but once you switch to expert, even though it's painful to begin with, going back to easy and medium is a total joke. it's like practicing swinging with heavier bats in baseball
This is true, but you already have to be strong enough to pick up the heavy bat. What if you are not strong enough to even pick up the bat, u must then use a lighter bat. in SC case, the game is to complex to comprehend all the factors at once i think - the bat is too heavy.
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On June 05 2007 09:52 niteReloaded wrote:You must learn to walk before you can run. I think it'd be best to play on slower speed and then graduately fasten it up. Show nested quote +On May 21 2007 10:12 GrandInquisitor wrote:
i doubt playing on slower speeds helps you that much, since the sense of timing in adjusting to faster speeds is going to take you some time
look at it this way. for those that play guitar hero: sure, it's fun and easy to keep playing on easy, or medium. but once you switch to expert, even though it's painful to begin with, going back to easy and medium is a total joke. it's like practicing swinging with heavier bats in baseball This is true, but you already have to be strong enough to pick up the heavy bat. What if you are not strong enough to even pick up the bat, u must then use a lighter bat. in SC case, the game is to complex to comprehend all the factors at once i think - the bat is too heavy.
You won't be able to carry any of your skills over. You might learn some cute micro, if anything... that you would have to relearn anyways in an actual game.
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skill separation would go completely out the window. almost anyone could compete at the competitive pro level on normal/fast speed. It would be extremely boring to watch and probably more luck involved with building timings and unit timings, it wouldnt be that fun to play at all. Playing on Faster settings, eh its not that bad, but i still feel... just weird, thats probably b/c ive been playing for over 9yrs now, and 99.99% of my games have been on fastest. I think it would be fun to play on faster every once in awhile, i havent done it in a few years, but i wouldnt mind. Though id do it on hamachi with no lag 
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On June 05 2007 23:27 LumberJack wrote:
almost anyone could compete at the competitive pro level on normal/fast speed
I really don't believe that. Progamers are a lot more than just fast.
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On June 05 2007 09:16 kigga wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2007 02:23 Hot_Bid wrote:
if you need practice splitting your first 4 workers just play the comp on bnet lol
That's not a bad idea, since on bnet you can pick a gamespeed before the game, unlike single player. Not sure why it was funny :p
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On June 05 2007 07:09 ggb667 wrote:
I disagree. I very much like playing on slowest speed. The game is completely different. You can move the mele units arround carefully and micro them. Zerg units can heal if they live. Protoss can recharge. Terrans and run a rearguard action and a rolling defense, or flanking and enveloping actions with medics. It's a whole different game. I have 2 other guys who I play with regularly and they agree with me. In fact we are looking for another person to play with us reguarly. if anyone is interested send me an email. Thanks,
-G
so what you're saying is that you're 2slow to do all of that in a fastest mode game -.-y
as long as you enjoy it's cool, i played on fast/faster until i discovered fastest now i'd prolly die out of boredom if gamespeed was less than fastest.
as for the apm someone mentioned - me&my friend fooled around to see apm in such a game, i had 1750, but the absolute freaks are few guys from my town, played on slowest and had apm 4k+
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On June 05 2007 12:06 ofclean wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2007 09:52 niteReloaded wrote:You must learn to walk before you can run. I think it'd be best to play on slower speed and then graduately fasten it up. On May 21 2007 10:12 GrandInquisitor wrote:
i doubt playing on slower speeds helps you that much, since the sense of timing in adjusting to faster speeds is going to take you some time
look at it this way. for those that play guitar hero: sure, it's fun and easy to keep playing on easy, or medium. but once you switch to expert, even though it's painful to begin with, going back to easy and medium is a total joke. it's like practicing swinging with heavier bats in baseball This is true, but you already have to be strong enough to pick up the heavy bat. What if you are not strong enough to even pick up the bat, u must then use a lighter bat. in SC case, the game is to complex to comprehend all the factors at once i think - the bat is too heavy. You won't be able to carry any of your skills over. You might learn some cute micro, if anything... that you would have to relearn anyways in an actual game.
completely disagree.
When u start playing on fastest, u wont be able to lead multiple battles at once. U will only start noticing the posibility of such thing when u become pretty good.
However if you would start playing on slowest, it would be completely natural to have battles on 2+ battlegrounds and i dont think it would be too hard.
Then after a month for example, u start playing on slower. multiple battles are _a bit_ harder to handle, but humans adapt quickly; u got over one more obstacle.
In a few months, after getting over one speed level after another, u will reach Fastest and u will be a multitask machine.
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you should only play at fastet level, if you want to learn the game, if you just want to have fun other speed levels are okay, too. i usually watch replays in *2 or in *4 because if you then play on fastest it seems rather slow
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