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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33699 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-21 21:08:15
June 21 2018 21:08 GMT
#161
BO7 is better competitively, but the 'tradition' of Brood War is that stupid variance has always been baked into the competition by organizers. It's dumb, but it's one of the rare cases I prefer dumb tradition over objectively improving something (god I sound like a 60+ year old baseball fan).
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
sntct
Profile Joined February 2018
100 Posts
June 21 2018 22:20 GMT
#162
On June 22 2018 03:52 Lazare1969 wrote:
Poll: Which finals format do you like better?

(Vote): Best of 7
(Vote): Best of 5


Poll: Should Fighting Spirit remain in the map pool?

(Vote): Absofuckinglutely
(Vote): No way Jose



Thank god. Blizzard please act on both of these initiatives, or continue doing so. Best of 7 is definitely better particularly for such important matches as semis and finals.

Also consider a best of 9 series for something, just to see how much people will whine about that.
Greg_J
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
China4409 Posts
June 22 2018 12:12 GMT
#163
There's an argument for the players been better prepared for the maps with a best of 5. Having a build ready for every map. I know it’s only another 2 maps. But I would guess the main reason best of 5 is consider more preferable is that it's just plain embarrassing for a professional in the latter stage of a tournament to get stomped 0:4. Losing face is big thing in Korean culture.
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
June 22 2018 12:56 GMT
#164
Good point, Greg_J. If the match is competitive, I'd prefer to see a Bo7. If it's a walkover, I'd rather see it end 3-0 quickly in a Bo5.

Overall I'm happy that they're experimenting with Bo7s, as most matches should be competitive once you get to the higher brackets, and having more games reduces nerves as a factor (maybe?). Most of all I want the progamers to be comfortable and in the zone.
May the BeSt man win.
ortseam
Profile Joined April 2015
996 Posts
June 22 2018 13:42 GMT
#165
Bo7 is a free win for Flash... unless they get really "creative" with maps
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5899 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-22 14:43:27
June 22 2018 13:55 GMT
#166
I feel Bo7 is very risky in terms of stamina affecting players negatively... I prefer Bo5 (5 different maps).

Can you imagine playing 7 super intense 1v1s without breaks? Should allow for a break after game 5 or 6, right?
FBH #1!
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5899 Posts
June 22 2018 14:31 GMT
#167
Is uncle Bliz willing to sponsor foreigners who make it through the online qualifiers?
FBH #1!
LaStScan
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)1289 Posts
June 22 2018 14:46 GMT
#168
I figured people are talking about whether it should be bo5 or bo7, and I think we should stick to bo5 because bo7 is too much for players to keep up stamina, and old days were bo5. We should accept that like its culture.

On the other side, I see people are talking about maps too, and I want to jump into that conversation as well.
My example would be like this.
Brought 2 popular maps from the previous league: Fighting Spirit, Circuit Breakers
4 new maps: Third World, Transistor, Sparkle, Crossing Fields
There will be total 6 maps, winner from the coin flip gets a chance to ban one of the new maps and chooses the new map that will be played twice(1st and 5th game), and loser bans the previous league map(remaining one will be played in the 3rd game).

Player A vs Player B
Player B won the flip coin, banned Transistor and chose Crossing Fields for 1st and 5th game, Player A banned Circuit Breakers
So the series would be like: Crossing Fields, Third World, Fighting Spirit, Sparkle, Crossing Fields.

Or we can do vice versa. Winner bans 1 previous map and other previous map will repeat twice, loser bans one of the new maps.
But I feel winner banning the previous map doesn't give any advantage so I prefer the first one that I explained.
Trying my best for ASL, ASTL
Timebon3s
Profile Joined May 2018
Norway772 Posts
June 22 2018 15:26 GMT
#169
bo7 is gonna be fucking awesome.
More games is always better, and fighting spirit is an awesome map. Wow, just wow! hyyype

If these guys used to practice 15 hours a day, I'm sure they have enough stamina to play a bo7.
AF0x
Profile Joined June 2018
United States59 Posts
June 22 2018 16:03 GMT
#170
Yeah, I'm definitely stoked for a Bo7 finals. I don't really buy the "better prepared for the maps" argument for bo5s, since they'd be playing on the same set of maps that'd been used for the whole tournament thus far (and also practicing on the whole time) anyways. If they've gotten to the finals, they know how to play to the strengths and weaknesses of the maps. Finalists having clearly prepared builds for every map is fun to watch, but it's also fun to watch them wing it and come up with strategies on the fly. Also, I'm sure that there'd be a repeat map or two in there, as there's already usually a repeat map in bo5 series if it goes long enough.

The "not enough stamina" argument is more realistic, but again, these dudes play all day erry day anyways, and having the stamina and focus to stay sharp throughout the course of a potentially grueling series is part of the competition imo. Plus, there's usually a commercial break or two for these longer series, so I'm sure the players would be able to stand up and stretch for a few minutes if they needed to.

I think the best argument against Bo7 finals is that it'd make it easier for Flash, especially on this more standard map pool.

But yeah, doubt they're gonna change it at this point, so I'm just excited for more BW to watch.
mishimaBeef
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2259 Posts
June 22 2018 16:07 GMT
#171
semis is typically where the skill level takes a significant jump up anyway
Dare to live the life you have dreamed for yourself. Go forward and make your dreams come true. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
onlystar
Profile Joined March 2015
United States971 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-22 17:21:56
June 22 2018 17:17 GMT
#172
On June 22 2018 23:46 LaStScan wrote:
I figured people are talking about whether it should be bo5 or bo7, and I think we should stick to bo5 because bo7 is too much for players to keep up stamina, and old days were bo5. We should accept that like its culture.

On the other side, I see people are talking about maps too, and I want to jump into that conversation as well.
My example would be like this.
Brought 2 popular maps from the previous league: Fighting Spirit, Circuit Breakers
4 new maps: Third World, Transistor, Sparkle, Crossing Fields
There will be total 6 maps, winner from the coin flip gets a chance to ban one of the new maps and chooses the new map that will be played twice(1st and 5th game), and loser bans the previous league map(remaining one will be played in the 3rd game).

Player A vs Player B
Player B won the flip coin, banned Transistor and chose Crossing Fields for 1st and 5th game, Player A banned Circuit Breakers
So the series would be like: Crossing Fields, Third World, Fighting Spirit, Sparkle, Crossing Fields.

Or we can do vice versa. Winner bans 1 previous map and other previous map will repeat twice, loser bans one of the new maps.
But I feel winner banning the previous map doesn't give any advantage so I prefer the first one that I explained.


As Said before it has not always been bo5s bo7 was used also for finals

What I also like about the bo7s is that If a wins on that map that favours their race there should be more oppertunities in maps to even that score out ( like how you are against the ropes If you lose 1 cheese game than lose game 2 on that map you wanted to veto out or something but could not and you have to play flawless standart from there pretty much cause thats matchpoint 3-0 and youre out.
onlystar
Profile Joined March 2015
United States971 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-22 17:33:35
June 22 2018 17:30 GMT
#173
On June 22 2018 22:42 ortseam wrote:
Bo7 is a free win for Flash... unless they get really "creative" with maps


Haha... this just puts in Words how godly flash is but Yea true pretty much lol

Like tasteless and Artosis commentated that flash has not lost a bo5 T v P in official leagues since 2009 !? Cant remember what was the year exactly but it was staggering
lemmata
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
468 Posts
June 26 2018 00:31 GMT
#174
I heard Flash say he won't be playing in the KSL. I hope I misheard. I could have...it was noisy when I heard it. Confirmations?
Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
June 26 2018 00:40 GMT
#175
On June 26 2018 09:31 lemmata wrote:
I heard Flash say he won't be playing in the KSL. I hope I misheard. I could have...it was noisy when I heard it. Confirmations?


From the looks of it, a fair few of the ex-professionals will not be participating (herO, EffOrt, Jaedong, and Flash).
TL+ Member
mishimaBeef
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2259 Posts
June 26 2018 00:40 GMT
#176
wtf why
Dare to live the life you have dreamed for yourself. Go forward and make your dreams come true. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-26 01:29:37
June 26 2018 01:24 GMT
#177
On June 26 2018 09:40 mishimaBeef wrote:
wtf why


I'd rather relay the message from the official announcements from the players themselves, rather than trying to put words in their mouths with my own personal interpretation of what is going on. Just wait a little for the official statements from the players themselves, and perhaps some might even change their minds (impossible for herO, who has imminent military service).
TL+ Member
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
June 26 2018 01:25 GMT
#178
bo7 finals and semi finals. bo5 everything else.
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
June 26 2018 01:27 GMT
#179
On June 26 2018 09:40 Letmelose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2018 09:31 lemmata wrote:
I heard Flash say he won't be playing in the KSL. I hope I misheard. I could have...it was noisy when I heard it. Confirmations?


From the looks of it, a fair few of the ex-professionals will not be participating (herO, EffOrt, Jaedong, and Flash).


what the hell? is this Afreeca (kespa) vs Blizz again? goddamnit. fuck. fuck. fuck. please tell me this is not true.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-26 01:52:13
June 26 2018 01:49 GMT
#180
^ losing Flash would be a huge blow to the legitimacy of this tournament. Same for hero though he's leaving for military soon. We all know that neither EffOrt or Jaedong will make it past Ro16 so ...

While I think this and some of the other blizz tourneys are a cool initiative and really appreciated, I think we as a community should be extremely cautious and taper our enthusiasm until we see how Blizzard plans to run these tournaments. They are still a company after all and BW history isn't so old that the past can be easily forgotten. Regardless, here's to hoping that Blizzard can make up for their past actions and KSL as flawlessly as possible for years to come!
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
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