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lemmata
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
468 Posts
June 27 2018 00:44 GMT
#201
Just to get this thread back on track...Flash will miss the offline qualifiers by 12 hours at most. Do we really want 12 hours to be what keeps Flash out of the first KSL? Remember that he will eventually have to serve in the military. This is a major tournament that we will never get back.
dM-White
Profile Joined February 2007
Chile341 Posts
June 27 2018 01:06 GMT
#202
There's the brackets if someone is interested https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1l8Vajc_RFXi_pX08civeyc5a1fV-wE-Zf2M4SbhM6dQ/edit#gid=0

Turn rate its dynamic :D
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angrypofke
Profile Joined March 2017
Lithuania174 Posts
June 27 2018 01:35 GMT
#203
Goodluck to all the foreigners there tomorrow. Will anyone be streaming the quals?
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3017 Posts
June 27 2018 02:37 GMT
#204
On June 27 2018 09:44 lemmata wrote:
Just to get this thread back on track...Flash will miss the offline qualifiers by 12 hours at most. Do we really want 12 hours to be what keeps Flash out of the first KSL? Remember that he will eventually have to serve in the military. This is a major tournament that we will never get back.


Damn shame if Flash and Jaedong don't participate because of this....
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
June 27 2018 03:03 GMT
#205
On June 27 2018 01:21 Letmelose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2018 23:47 Waxangel wrote:
On June 26 2018 10:49 BigFan wrote:
They are still a company after all and BW history isn't so old that the past can be easily forgotten.


I don't agree with this general tone where people think it's obvious that Blizzard has this long history of wrongdoing to "atone" for.

They were clearly in the right regarding the broadcast rights dispute with KeSPA. Remember, KeSPA basically ceded total defeat. Blizzard's claims regarding their IP rights is basically the undisputed industry standard today with every broadcaster, production company, and game publisher. Unless you hold very radical views about intellectual property in general, across every field and industry, then you can't fault Blizzard there.

I think BW fans want to believe that it was Blizzard who forced KeSPA to switch StarCraft II after the IP dispute ended in 2012. However, it could just as easily be claimed that KeSPA was making a desperate move to try and keep StarCraft esports going. However, there's basically no credible reporting regarding what went on behind the scenes, so it's just speculation either way.

The credible grievance is the supposed $100,000 licensing fee Blizzard charged AfreecaTV to hold ASL, as claimed by AfreecaTV. This sounded absolutely ludicrous to me at the onset, but after hearing mixed accounts from people in the scene, I've become more willing to give it some credence. As far as Blizzard refuses to squash the claim publicly, then BW fans are entitled to crush them for it.

[Ofc if you're not just talking about esports, and pointing out SC:R and its bugs and lack of features, then I'll step out of the way]


After Blizzard had all other possible recourses shut down, yes, it could be argued that KeSPA alone came to the conclusion that professional Brood War was no longer worth persuing. However, if you are being intellectually honest, and have read all the official announcements from KeSPA before Blizzard broke them down, it is clear as daylight that Brood War was by far the main point of focus for KeSPA, and they clearly expressed having zero intentions of scraping everything for a gaming product that had utterly failed to captivate the Korean gaming community by large at the time of the switch.

The entire professional Brood War scene came about due to a blatant disregard for those intellectual property right laws you hold dear. Almost everything that we discuss today on these forums, are derived from content from people who were involved heavily in unauthorized activity that we called the Brood War e-Sports scene. The way you emphasize how Blizzard will forever be immune from all criticism due to the legalities make it sound like you couldn't wait for the legal wrong to be corrected, because who cares about competitive Brood War except for those delusional Brood War fans, right?

It is an irrefutable fact that professional Brood War wouldn't have ended in 2012 in such a ham-fisted manner without Blizzard's involvement with the industry at the time. Perhaps a legal wrong that went on for over a decade was corrected, but at what cost? It was a Pyrrhic victory if I ever saw one. If anything, it was Riot Gaming that benefitted the most from Blizzard's heavy involvement with the Korean e-Sports scene, not KeSPa, not the fans of Brood War, and not even Blizzard themselves.

Considering the colossal level of fuck-ups Blizzard has been responsible for in the past, a little apprehension is to be expected, really.

pretty much what I was trying to say. Folks are free to celebrate this and all, it's good news for sure, but I'm cautiously optimistic about what this means for the scene and how it will effect everything, including ASL.

On June 27 2018 11:37 darktreb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2018 09:44 lemmata wrote:
Just to get this thread back on track...Flash will miss the offline qualifiers by 12 hours at most. Do we really want 12 hours to be what keeps Flash out of the first KSL? Remember that he will eventually have to serve in the military. This is a major tournament that we will never get back.


Damn shame if Flash and Jaedong don't participate because of this....

the legitimacy pretty much gets thrown out the window. They'll always be questions of "If Flash participated etc..."
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
sc19980331
Profile Joined March 2017
China1609 Posts
June 27 2018 09:36 GMT
#206
On June 27 2018 10:06 dM-White wrote:
There's the brackets if someone is interested https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1l8Vajc_RFXi_pX08civeyc5a1fV-wE-Zf2M4SbhM6dQ/edit#gid=0

Turn rate its dynamic :D

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sc19980331
Profile Joined March 2017
China1609 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-27 10:12:02
June 27 2018 09:48 GMT
#207
6/28
===========
Round#1
10:00-12:00 KST
478 players
===========
5 10:00 (KST) dM-White VS JJu[WHITE]
9 10:00 (KST) Ty2 VS $eki
13 10:00 (KST) Dewaltik VS nObil
22 10:00 (KST) iFU.eOnzErG VS RuaL.Lock1
23 10:00 (KST) iFU.spx VS Qkancnd
24 10:00 (KST) TT1 VS 4hegao
26 10:00 (KST) nyoken VS SlayerDay._.


==========
Round#2
13:00-18:00 KST
852 players
==========
Sacsri
Forgg
Notice

Good luck to girls:
247 16:00 (KST) CadenZie VS JoyBox
269 16:00 (KST) palltiger VS SkilfulQuail


6/29
==========
Round#3
12:00-20:00 KST
426 players
==========

So 213 players qualified online + 43 pros = 256 players offline on 7/1?
TL+ Member
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4186 Posts
June 27 2018 23:37 GMT
#208
Do we know anything about this event in China?
"You guys are just edgelords. Embrace your inner weeb desu" -Zergneedsfood
Aesthetician
Profile Blog Joined March 2017
20 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-28 00:00:53
June 28 2018 00:00 GMT
#209
I hope Blizzard learns from their mistakes with trying to steer everyone to SC2 (which in my personal opinion is part of why we lost KeSPA) and simply launches this tournament in a vacuum, with a "live and let live" approach to the smaller independent tournaments. As they said, this won't interfere with ASL. So hopefully they won't go headhunting for those $500 pot low level tournies.
mishimaBeef
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2259 Posts
June 28 2018 00:04 GMT
#210
i think sc2 was a big learning experience when it comes to game design
Dare to live the life you have dreamed for yourself. Go forward and make your dreams come true. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10014 Posts
June 28 2018 02:02 GMT
#211
i cant make it to my match :[
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SchAmToo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1141 Posts
June 28 2018 02:24 GMT
#212
No streams or casters?
twitch.tv/schamtoo | twitter.com/schamtoo
sc19980331
Profile Joined March 2017
China1609 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-28 05:40:38
June 28 2018 02:59 GMT
#213
On June 28 2018 11:24 SchAmToo wrote:
No streams or casters?

http://play.afreecatv.com/toozi0317

http://play.afreecatv.com/cpachung

http://play.afreecatv.com/wjswpalssla1

http://play.afreecatv.com/dmk1212
TL+ Member
sc19980331
Profile Joined March 2017
China1609 Posts
June 28 2018 03:00 GMT
#214
On June 28 2018 08:37 lestye wrote:
Do we know anything about this event in China?

It seems no one registered here in China.
TL+ Member
NerO
Profile Joined February 2003
United States2071 Posts
June 28 2018 03:15 GMT
#215
What a joke... The /whereis command is broken between regions and the admins were unresponsive. Basically all the foreigners (except eon) were DQ'd while sitting in the KSL channel.

Should have kept my expectations in check considering the entire prize pool is basically afreeca's fee paid for ASL5.

All while blizz dumps Millions$ into a dying SC2 that can barely be given away. Very disappointing.
DreXxiN
Profile Joined July 2010
United States494 Posts
June 28 2018 03:37 GMT
#216
Oh - was all pumped to play this tomorrow and forgot KST was a thing and it was at 8pm tonight. Seems my opponent did too. Hah...
sc19980331
Profile Joined March 2017
China1609 Posts
June 28 2018 03:41 GMT
#217
Round#1

Ty2 lost

Eon advanced
22 13:00 (KST) Hirmu VS iFU..eOnzErG
TL+ Member
sc19980331
Profile Joined March 2017
China1609 Posts
June 28 2018 03:44 GMT
#218
On June 28 2018 12:37 DreXxiN wrote:
Oh - was all pumped to play this tomorrow and forgot KST was a thing and it was at 8pm tonight. Seems my opponent did too. Hah...

71 10:00 (KST) [FOX]Esolet VS DreXxiN#1965
TL+ Member
sc19980331
Profile Joined March 2017
China1609 Posts
June 28 2018 03:46 GMT
#219
On June 28 2018 12:15 NerO wrote:
What a joke... The /whereis command is broken between regions and the admins were unresponsive. Basically all the foreigners (except eon) were DQ'd while sitting in the KSL channel.

Should have kept my expectations in check considering the entire prize pool is basically afreeca's fee paid for ASL5.

All while blizz dumps Millions$ into a dying SC2 that can barely be given away. Very disappointing.

Good luck in KSL2.

20 10:00 (KST) NerO! VS YeonDoGi
TL+ Member
DreXxiN
Profile Joined July 2010
United States494 Posts
June 28 2018 03:47 GMT
#220
On June 28 2018 12:44 sc19980331 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2018 12:37 DreXxiN wrote:
Oh - was all pumped to play this tomorrow and forgot KST was a thing and it was at 8pm tonight. Seems my opponent did too. Hah...

71 10:00 (KST) [FOX]Esolet VS DreXxiN#1965


I saw, but that was 2 hours ago unfortunately. Oh well!
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