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China1609 Posts
#60 Korea abcdefghijk!! 3098 Terran 56 2 Best ever record I guess. Now only 126 accounts with 3000+ mmr, some of them belong to Bisu/Hiya/Ssak. Non-kr 3000+ gosu: #97 U.S. West SouL)T(Dandy 3025 Terran 275 193 #126 U.S. West Bonyth. 3000 Protoss 97 34 BTW, too many smurf accounts now, when will new season start? | ||
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kogeT
Poland2037 Posts
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
I strongly predict that we will see a period of time when light makes it to the top 8 or possibly even the top 4 once again, although of course that's much less likely (yay math). This starleague is not for him. The map seems to be designed to eliminate terran. Something only Flash and Mind have resisted with frankly very impressive play. Not many mistakes at all. I think the map pool is somewhat difficult for terran this league by choice and that next season the map pool will be more straight foward or more open ended on who is favored. I think zerg having 3 early gas is a wet dream for top level zergs and I think the results show that. I think sparkle is a really tough fight for terrans this season but good for zerg and as always islands are nice for protoss. Especially if the islands are smaller. Just storm the whole landing area repeatedly -- > repeat  | ||
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
It's fucking impressive. You know why? Cuz light gives very in-depth commentary throughout every single game. If you can understand Korean, his vods are a goldmine of information. He has a ton of builds and shows you exactly how you should react and respond to every situation. Yeah he is a top pro, but he really doesn't play that all seriously and goes out of his way to inform. Light is a beast but I don't know why he is not in ASL. Are other terrans just that much better? Flash is leagues ahead for sure, but what about Mind and Sea? Does Light compare to them? How about Last? | ||
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kogeT
Poland2037 Posts
1) Flash 2) Last 3) Mind, Light, Sea 4) Sharp 5) Mong, Rush, and rest | ||
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
On April 17 2018 17:53 kogeT wrote: If I were to list top terrans it would be: 1) Flash 2) Last 3) Mind, Light, Sea 4) Sharp 5) Mong, Rush, and rest Wow, thank you. That's insane. Because I saw sea, sharp, mong, and rush in the ASL but not light yet. does light have a chance to come back and be a regular asler? | ||
FlaShFTW
United States10154 Posts
On April 17 2018 17:53 kogeT wrote: If I were to list top terrans it would be: 1) Flash 2) Last 3) Mind, Light, Sea 4) Sharp 5) Mong, Rush, and rest wow can't believe im tied for 5th best terran! | ||
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kogeT
Poland2037 Posts
On April 17 2018 17:59 FlaShFTW wrote: wow can't believe im tied for 5th best terran! Oh, sorry to disappoint you.. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=5356&part=games&league=standard&vs=P | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6579 Posts
On April 17 2018 17:57 Golgotha wrote: Wow, thank you. That's insane. Because I saw sea, sharp, mong, and rush in the ASL but not light yet. does light have a chance to come back and be a regular asler? i mean,he tried for years,i still dont see the ASL results .. if Flash offrace smashed Scan on ladder (zvt) i dont think is a big deal for a high skill progamer like light going with this record honestly,is not like the ladder is full of pros anyway. | ||
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
On April 17 2018 18:06 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: i mean,he tried for years,i still dont see the ASL results .. if Flash offrace smashed Scan on ladder (zvt) i dont think is a big deal for a high skill progamer like light going with this record honestly,is not like the ladder is full of pros anyway. what do you think is keeping light back? I mean Mong and Sharp where in the ASL recently, and I thought light was at least at their level. | ||
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sc19980331
China1609 Posts
History:  Afreeca Starleague Season 1 DNPAfreeca Starleague Season 2Ro24 Won Effort and Force[name] Ro16 Lost to Stork, won Shuttle, lost to Guemchi. Afreeca Starleague Season 3Ro24 Lost to Jaehoon twice, won Mini. Afreeca Starleague Season 4Ro24 Won Sky, lost to Larva in decider. Afreeca Starleague Season 5Lost to Shine and Shuttle. | ||
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SuGo
United States681 Posts
However, to be fair, the pairing for foreigners is heavily versus others foreigners in the new ladder system (since patch 1.21.4, I think? -- But that's just a different topic). Dandy could be using a VPN right now, I don't know, but if he is, then SUPER impressive to maintain 3000 over that many games. I'd have to assume that he is -- he'd be waiting 10,000 seconds at that MMR if not lol. I know when Bonyth was laddering, foreigners were still getting paired vs Koreans in one of the older patches, so Bonyth's is also very impressive (he's inactive right now). The koreans are predominantly only playing other koreans in today's patch. For pros, it doesn't matter if they're playing koreans or not, they're still going to win. Most of these pros (tier 2 and higher) could go similar record, maybe even 100%, if they actually tried. As koget said, most of them leave mid way thru for sponsored matches, etc. For instance, Shineeee, the terran Progamer, dominates ladders consistently since Fish days. But he's not a tier 1 progamer. Even Scan, what is he, just amateur level (?) -- he is in the top ranks too. For Light to go 56-2 is not impressive, it's just expected lol | ||
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LaStScan
Korea (South)1289 Posts
On April 17 2018 21:05 ProtossGG wrote: Dandy(~60% win rate) and also Bonyth's (~70% win rate on low games) mean a lot more than Light going 56-2, in my opinion. However, to be fair, the pairing for foreigners is heavily versus others foreigners in the new ladder system (since patch 1.21.4, I think? -- But that's just a different topic). Dandy could be using a VPN right now, I don't know, but if he is, then SUPER impressive to maintain 3000 over that many games. I'd have to assume that he is -- he'd be waiting 10,000 seconds at that MMR if not lol. I know when Bonyth was laddering, foreigners were still getting paired vs Koreans in one of the older patches, so Bonyth's is also very impressive (he's inactive right now). The koreans are predominantly only playing other koreans in today's patch. For pros, it doesn't matter if they're playing koreans or not, they're still going to win. Most of these pros (tier 2 and higher) could go similar record, maybe even 100%, if they actually tried. As koget said, most of them leave mid way thru for sponsored matches, etc. For instance, Shineeee, the terran Progamer, dominates ladders consistently since Fish days. But he's not a tier 1 progamer. Even Scan, what is he, just amateur level (?) -- he is in the top ranks too. For Light to go 56-2 is not impressive, it's just expected lol Being in a top rank does mean something, however the record and rank do not determine how good you are and be successful in the tournament. I've reached 2900mmr with only 5 losses before when I was active in SC:R. Account named SouL)T(eSaGiTo. I stopped playing because it is so hard to get a match with someone who's at the similar mmr, and i don't want to waste a lot of time waiting to catch 1 game. I know some people think stomping lower mmr is a bad idea, but when you are on practice mode such as testing/practicing optimization of few strategies, it's a good way to do so. For an example that I could think of would be working out at the gym. You want to build/fill up your muscles so you are doing a bar curl that has about decent amount of weight. Slowly doing the curl and checking out your arms through the mirror front of you. | ||
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SuGo
United States681 Posts
On April 18 2018 00:45 LaStScan wrote: Being in a top rank does mean something, however the record and rank do not determine how good you are and be successful in the tournament. I agree with that. Rank isn’t everything. Ladder isn’t always indicative of people’s skill (people could be testing builds, etc). Ladder should never be held in absolute terms. Some people just aren’t good ladder players. Eonzerg could be an example of this (not really, because he's still like 2600 ... ). My point is, Eonzerg still performs very well in tournaments and such, but isn't as good in ladder as someone like Bonyth. But that’s not the point I’m addressing. My Point is if people like Bonyth and Dandy can get these stats, pros can easily do it and with close to 100% or at 100% if they want. Nothing about tournament success etc. Which is why I say Light’s stats are simply expected. | ||
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TelecoM
United States10672 Posts
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orvinreyes
577 Posts
On April 17 2018 18:15 Golgotha wrote: what do you think is keeping light back? I mean Mong and Sharp where in the ASL recently, and I thought light was at least at their level. most realistic scenario is that he probably has a gf/wife who tells him to grow up, stop playing games, get a real job | ||
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Kare
Norway786 Posts
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Lazare1969
United States318 Posts
On April 18 2018 02:52 orvinreyes wrote: most realistic scenario is that he probably has a gf/wife who tells him to grow up, stop playing games, get a real job the guy dropped out of school to become a pro-gamer. pretty sure he's not going to let some broad prevent him from doing something he's passionate about. | ||
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Sero
United States692 Posts
On April 17 2018 18:15 Golgotha wrote: what do you think is keeping light back? I mean Mong and Sharp where in the ASL recently, and I thought light was at least at their level. Light was in ASL ro24 group A. He got as far as Mong or Sharp did. | ||
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funnybananaman
United States830 Posts
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c3rberUs
Japan11286 Posts
That said, it is impressive for him to kick ass. I still remember the ATB run. *sheds invisible tears | ||
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Kare
Norway786 Posts
On April 19 2018 07:39 c3rberUs wrote: You guys do know that Light has a day job right? Or at least he had one until recently and that forces him to play only during the night/weekends or to not play at all. That said, it is impressive for him to kick ass. I still remember the ATB run. *sheds invisible tears Do you know what kind of job it is? | ||
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radley
Poland582 Posts
Afaik he is working for Manjaedo Lighthouse | ||
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Jealous
10142 Posts
On April 19 2018 06:17 funnybananaman wrote: Light is awesome. Could have won 5 OSLS and been so legendary if he was slightly more interested. You're saying this based on? | ||
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
While that is a gross overstatement of what could have been, there is an argument that players such as HiyA, and Light were "better" (for a lack of a better word) than their results elsewhere showed, especially when time-consuming specific preparation was thrown out of the window. For example, a typical individual league scheduling allows roughly a week's worth of preparation for a showdown versus a single player, and at worst, three different opponents to play against in a week (for the rare instances of group stages tie-breakers). Even a player with ACE match duties has four players to prepare for (assuming that the opposing team's entries are entirely predictable) in a week's worth of ProLeague schedule. However, Winner's League made such meticulous preparation an impossibility by forcing the player to prepare for eight different players per week (that is again assuming that the opposing team's entries are entirely predictable) if he is ambitious enough for all-kill performances (I don't think there were cases of players having really good records within the Winner's League without having a single all-kill performance). The only tournament that forced a player to play versus eight different players (the only case being JangBi, who literally started from the round-of-256 all the way to the finals within a span of three days) within a single week in my memory was the 2007 Seoul e-Sports Festival, a three day single elimination round-of-256 LAN tournament. Due to how rare such tournaments were within the professional Brood War realm, the only platform that I can think of, that had a decent enough sample size across multiple years, to test a player's ability to flourish despite being given the bare minimum to work with in terms of thorough preparation, was the Winner's league. All-time Winner's League records: 1. Flash: 66-15 (81.48%) 2. Jaedong: 59-22 (72.84%) 3. Bisu: 54-23 (70.13%) 4. Light: 49-24 (67.12%) 5. HiyA: 46-27 (63.01%) 6. FanTaSy: 43-29 (59.72%) 7. Kal: 34-24 (58.62%) 8. Stork: 31-24 (56.36%) 9. Leta: 29-24 (54.72%) 10. Stats: 28-13 (68.29%) Light was one of the greatest Winner's League performers, and within the time-frame (January 2009 to April 2011), Flash, Jaedong, and FanTaSy were three of the most sucessful individual league players (where scrupulous planning paid off in dividends). Flash reached six finals, winning four. Jaedong reached six finals, winning three. FanTaSy reached two finals, winning one. No other player managed to reach multiple finals within the above mentioned time-frame. If you discount Flash and Jaedong as the ultimate outliers who excel no matter what the circumstances entails, there is an argument to be made that if the entirety of the major individual leagues changed their scheduling from lasting roughly three months to three days, like the 2007 Seoul e-Sports Festival, it may be fair to assume that Light would have been one of the best performing players due to his ability to excel without much preparation, and perhaps might have taken FanTaSy's place as the third most successful player within the individual league within the above mentioned time-frame. I personally don't think Light's lack of success in situations where abundant preparation occured was necessary due to his lack of discipline as a person (people often praised him for being a model professional), rather his flaw as a competitor. A player who sticks to my mind as a player who severely lacked discipline was HiyA, who was incredibly talented (Jaedong said on stream that he realized life was unfair when he saw HiyA having success despite playing other MMORPGs and slacking off in general), and thrived under situations where minimal preparation was key (top four finish at the Seoul e-Sports Festival after playing seven different opponents within the space of three days, and having a top five record within the Winner's League). However, HiyA lacked drive and discpline to push himself, and only excelled under situations where his lackadaisical approach to professional gaming didn't hold him back severely. In a world where professional Brood War had less infrastructure, and less television coverage, like in the early 2000s, there would have been much more huge three day LANs and tournaments where painstaking preparation wasn't necessary. In that alternate reality, Light may have been one of the best terran players towards the latter half of professional Brood War. Of course, sucking dick under situations where everything about your play is broken down, and only succeeding in situations where time for proper preparation is the limiting factor makes somebody one dimensional in nature, and cannot be truly regarded as a transcental great who can adapt to any given situation, rather than being a slave to his circumstances, but Light probably would have found more success if competitive Brood War was handled differently. However, with Ongamenet's philosophical take on competitive Brood War (as a general rule of thumb, they hate players like Light, and love players like FanTaSy), Light would never have won five OGN StarLeagues unless the tournament organizers decided to play to Light's strengths as a player. | ||
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Luddite
United States2315 Posts
woah really? Is that why he chose the name light? And what do you actually do, working at a lighthouse? | ||
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