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On May 17 2007 14:49 Ack1027 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2007 18:48 Ack1027 wrote:
Why did you bother buying the mouse anyway if you aren't even gonna use it's full potential. Refers to it's dpi potential in context. Besides, other than very recently for the weight, could you CHANGE the shape , quality, and feel of a mouse?
No, english is not my first language but I don't know how that has to do with anything since I spent 8 years in Canada. I'm pretty sure you don't know what I'm saying so I'll explain further. The original poster (or anyone else, for that matter) could be buying mice not based on DPI but based on all those things I described. They can't CHANGE the shape, quality, and the feel of a mouse but they can BUY the mouse that they like best. I'm responding to the buying part of your statement, not the potential part.
In other words, you ask why people bother to buy a mouse if they're not using it to their full potential. I say people buy it because of shape, quality, and feel. Yes, we're discussing this in a DPI thread but I don't see why I am forbidden to talk about a closely related subject.
Anyways, at least in SC, DPI makes very little or no difference past 800. It's just the quality of the sensor that makes the difference. Many people can play at the pro level with 800 DPI. So I don't see why you think that you must play with 2000 if you have a 2000 DPI mouse. People can just buy it because they like the ergonomics and use it at 800 DPI. What's wrong with that?
edit: w/e this is pointless.. let's drop it, ok?
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On May 17 2007 15:23 Zanno wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2007 14:54 davidgurt wrote:
Oh, another comment. If you're playing Starcraft, you really don't need more than 800 DPI. It's different for other games. all the quality sensors just happen to be high dpi though, cheap mice tend to have other problems with skipping, negative acceleration (when you move a mouse so fast it can't keep up and caps off the speed) and generally unreliable tracking negative accel is hugely prevalent virtually all mice that ship with a new pc, when i visit my parents for the weekend i can't play sc with my their mouse at all, i try to whip my mouse around a bunch in a battle requiring heavy heavy micro and i end up only halfway there or sometimes in a totally different direction. my diamondback doesn't have these sort of problems, it goes where i tell it to
That's true, but I was talking strictly about using high DPI as opposed to low DPI on the same mouse.
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On May 17 2007 17:12 infinity21 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2007 14:49 Ack1027 wrote:On May 16 2007 18:48 Ack1027 wrote:
Why did you bother buying the mouse anyway if you aren't even gonna use it's full potential. Refers to it's dpi potential in context. Besides, other than very recently for the weight, could you CHANGE the shape , quality, and feel of a mouse? No, english is not my first language but I don't know how that has to do with anything since I spent 8 years in Canada. I'm pretty sure you don't know what I'm saying so I'll explain further. The original poster (or anyone else, for that matter) could be buying mice not based on DPI but based on all those things I described. They can't CHANGE the shape, quality, and the feel of a mouse but they can BUY the mouse that they like best. I'm responding to the buying part of your statement, not the potential part. In other words, you ask why people bother to buy a mouse if they're not using it to their full potential. I say people buy it because of shape, quality, and feel. Yes, we're discussing this in a DPI thread but I don't see why I am forbidden to talk about a closely related subject. Anyways, at least in SC, DPI makes very little or no difference past 800. It's just the quality of the sensor that makes the difference. Many people can play at the pro level with 800 DPI. So I don't see why you think that you must play with 2000 if you have a 2000 DPI mouse. People can just buy it because they like the ergonomics and use it at 800 DPI. What's wrong with that? edit: w/e this is pointless.. let's drop it, ok?
Actually it's not pointless. An analogy would look something like this:
Someone buys a computer because they like the features, specs etc... However, they refuse to use anti-virus software that comes with the computer, or they decide to use a limited amount of the anti-virus. Not using your full dpi on your mouse and adjusting the sens as such that it feels like lower dpi is essentially the same as not using or using limited amounts of the anti-virus software. Sure you can never install software and technically still use your computer but if there is something better out there why would you not want to use it?
I agree on your point about sc, and yes because it is an old game 800 dpi is really all you'll ever need for it.
The reason I think you should use 2000 if you have a 2000 dpi mouse is because you can have the exact same mouse movement and speed with better precision and tracking as opposed to a lower dpi.
For example:
3.0 sens at 800 dpi is about the same as 1.5 sens 1600 dpi.
If it feels the same, looks the same, and takes very little time getting used to, why would you not prefer to use the 1.5 sens at 1600 dpi? This was my main question in my first post. Basically I'm confused why anyone would use the 3.0 at 800 even after knowing this information.
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Anyways, at least in SC, DPI makes very little or no difference past 800. It's just the quality of the sensor that makes the difference.
I thought DPI and sensor quality were linked, in that higher sensor quality means higher dpi? What is the difference? Can someone explain this for me?
Edit - actually, I think Ack answered it. I didn't think that was correct.
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So the consesus thus far seems to look like this:
*Max your DPI setting
*set your sensitivity setting relatively low - at least for starcraft, this provides more accuracy, but makes the mouse slower (or is it another trade off?)
*no acceleration
If anyone disagrees, feel free to and provide a reason.
Topics that seem to not have been addressed much:
*So what about built in speed settings for logitiech and razer mice? Any suggestions?
*Also, many people have touched upon this already, but not many reasons were offered. What mouse settings do you use in windows? default or lower/higher?
Thanks for those who have posted helpful comments so far.
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On May 16 2007 15:06 ilovezil wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2007 15:04 JimBobRay wrote:
are your mouse sensitivity options part of a program that comes with your mouse or are you referring to Windows' built in mouse acceleration feature? I set the window's built-in mouse feature to fastest in order to supplement the 1600 DPI feature my mouse is capable of. I'm curious what 2000 would be like, though. It doesn't work like that. Keep your windows setting at 6/11 or you lose accuracy.
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I didn't know the sensor is better if you use 2000 DPI.
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On May 17 2007 22:41 davidgurt wrote:
I didn't know the sensor is better if you use 2000 DPI. it's the other way around
optical 2000 dpi sensors are higher quality
laser mice are horrible, never buy one
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On May 17 2007 22:56 Zanno wrote:
laser mice are horrible, never buy one
Why? They are supposed to be more precise than optical mice.
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Well I have a Logitech G5 Laser 2000 DPI and I never had it skip (unless there was something on my pad and it got lifted off it, like a piece of paper or something), nor do I have any accuracy problems.
And, unlike my ex-optical-mice, it works on most surfaces, belive it or not. I use a SteelPad 5L as the surface, but it works on wood, cloth, anything, just fine. Why is it horrible? Do you have any actual arguments on that?
*So what about built in speed settings for logitiech and razer mice? Any suggestions?
What do you mean by that? The g5 and the g3 have an on-the-fly sensitivity button. Which means that you can change the DPI from 2000 to 800 to 400 in-game or whatever. I don't use it, but it can be configured to any 5 values (like 2000-1600-1200-1000-800) that you can toggle between. This doesn't help me much, but I guess it would help with sniping in CS or something like that.
If you mean the USB speed. Mine is set at 500Hz. I heard you could change that to 1000 but I read somewhere that 500 is what the g5 was designed for, so I won't bother.
*Also, many people have touched upon this already, but not many reasons were offered. What mouse settings do you use in windows? default or lower/higher?
Well with my mouse, the Logitech software and the Windows Mouse pannel are linked. So if I change one, the other will change too. I use it at about 60% (or 6/10), a little above the default value. With no acceleration.
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Kinda off-topic, but does the Logitech G3 have DPI-changable settings?
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...I just said that in the above post. Yes it does. 
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Hey CubEdin,
Some mice have speed settings apart from sensitivity settings, including some logitech mice, or at least I am under that impression. I wasn't referring to DPI settings.
Thanks for the responses.
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Well as far as I know, some razers have adjustable sensitivity both from the razer software AND the windows pannel. Logitech setpoint is directly related to windows sensitivity, so it does not. But other than that, and DPI, I don't have any idea about other speed settings.
The USB connection speed is also shown on boxes, so you see things like ULTRA FAST 1000Hz USB SPEED for lighting fast response.
So the only speed settings apart from sensitivity settings is the DPI setting. And yes, some logitech mice have specialised buttons, as I described earlier. Reducing dpi from 1600 to 800 for example, is like changing your sensitivity to half of what it actually is.
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On May 16 2007 18:45 Equinox_kr wrote:
2000 DPI on my Logitech G5 :O
Works well
same here
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On May 18 2007 03:59 CubEdIn wrote:
Well as far as I know, some razers have adjustable sensitivity both from the razer software AND the windows pannel. Logitech setpoint is directly related to windows sensitivity, so it does not. But other than that, and DPI, I don't have any idea about other speed settings.
The USB connection speed is also shown on boxes, so you see things like ULTRA FAST 1000Hz USB SPEED for lighting fast response.
So the only speed settings apart from sensitivity settings is the DPI setting. And yes, some logitech mice have specialised buttons, as I described earlier. Reducing dpi from 1600 to 800 for example, is like changing your sensitivity to half of what it actually is.
Thanks. I just looked up the razer mouse software and it seems I was mistaking the speed setting as distinct - It uses windows' pointer speed as well.
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http://forums.caleague.com/showthread.php?t=96767
That's the end of this thread. Seriously, so many of you guys are spouting such bullshit it'd take me days just to go through and disprove everyone.
So there. Sign up, read the thread, understand how things work. There are more things to consider than just Windows sensitivity and your mouse's DPI.
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On May 16 2007 15:20 Zanno wrote:
i use a razer diamondback at 1600 dpi with no drivers and the windows speed slider set at three notches (default is 6) in 1280x1024 it takes me about 10 cm to move across the screen.
in fps games people talk about cm/360 which is the length you need to move the mouse to rotate 360 degrees, i often wonder what pros use for cm/screen. any wanna grab a ruler and measure? sens is often heavily dependent on mouse make and how the cpu feels like interpeting things, two identical sens on will rarely be the same unless the two comps are the same model
I use 1600 DPI with 20CM / 360. MX518.
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