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JimBobRay
Profile Joined May 2005
128 Posts
May 16 2007 05:47 GMT
#1
Just wondering what the common DPI settings people use are. I searched some of the mouse threads - theres a lot - and didnt see many comments aimed directly at this aspect. As most people know, the newer mice have dpi settings around 2000, but I have found the speed here too fast, although some can adapt to it. By comparison, The KTEC mice have a max DPI setting of 800 I believe.
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fanta[Rn]
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Japan2465 Posts
May 16 2007 05:48 GMT
#2
I'm using 400 I think. 2000 is WAY too fast for me.
ilovezil
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4143 Posts
May 16 2007 05:49 GMT
#3
I use 1600 dpi + mouse sensitivity at highest. This enables me to quickly react to the game's flow, which I find is necessary against higher level opponents.
JimBobRay
Profile Joined May 2005
128 Posts
May 16 2007 06:04 GMT
#4
are your mouse sensitivity options part of a program that comes with your mouse or are you referring to Windows' built in mouse acceleration feature?
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ilovezil
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4143 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-05-16 06:10:42
May 16 2007 06:06 GMT
#5
On May 16 2007 15:04 JimBobRay wrote:
are your mouse sensitivity options part of a program that comes with your mouse or are you referring to Windows' built in mouse acceleration feature?


I set the window's built-in mouse feature to fastest in order to supplement the 1600 DPI feature my mouse is capable of. I'm curious what 2000 would be like, though.
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-05-16 06:17:28
May 16 2007 06:16 GMT
#6
1600 DPI
Set to max pointer speed in control panel
7.5/10 speed with Razer's software
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Zanno
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1484 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-05-16 06:23:18
May 16 2007 06:20 GMT
#7
i use a razer diamondback at 1600 dpi with no drivers and the windows speed slider set at three notches (default is 6) in 1280x1024 it takes me about 10 cm to move across the screen.

in fps games people talk about cm/360 which is the length you need to move the mouse to rotate 360 degrees, i often wonder what pros use for cm/screen. any wanna grab a ruler and measure? sens is often heavily dependent on mouse make and how the cpu feels like interpeting things, two identical sens on will rarely be the same unless the two comps are the same model
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funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9374 Posts
May 16 2007 06:21 GMT
#8
2000DPI
3.5/10 in Razer config.
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Zanno
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1484 Posts
May 16 2007 06:26 GMT
#9
On May 16 2007 14:48 fanta[Rn] wrote:
I'm using 400 I think. 2000 is WAY too fast for me.
you're missing the point. the whole purpose of a high dpi mouse is to use a low sens so that the higher sampling rate produces ultra-accurate movements
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fanta[Rn]
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Japan2465 Posts
May 16 2007 06:30 GMT
#10
So I should run with 2000 dpi and a very low sense? Can I get it as slow as if I'd use 400dpi?
ilovezil
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4143 Posts
May 16 2007 06:31 GMT
#11
Hold on. Explain the sensitivity thing to me. All I did was blindly set my DPI to 1600 and hit max on window's acceleration.
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20010 Posts
May 16 2007 06:52 GMT
#12
1600 dpi
go big or go home
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Zanno
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1484 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-05-16 07:48:52
May 16 2007 07:47 GMT
#13
ok

dpi is the rate at which the mouse samples movement

if one mouse has 500 dpi and another mouse has 1000 dpi at the same sense, the 1000 dpi mouse will move twice as fast as the other one

if you half the sensitivity of the 1000 dpi mouse, the movement will be the same speed, but far more accurate to the precise motion of your hand, as the sensor is tracking the motion twice as often (not to mention high dpi mice have generally more accurate sensors all around) there is an important exception to this - if you have such an extremely low sens that the mouse is only moving a fraction of a pixel every snapshot, then the high dpi does nothing.

to crank the sens of a high dpi mouse all the way up is pretty stupid, unless you have such good coordination that you can manage things with millimeter precision. sounds like a great way to give yourself carpal tunnel to me personally, but if it's working for you, then hey, that's cool

in fps games, lower sensitivity is generally considered conductive of more accurate movements. some professional counterstrike players do things like tape a grid of mousepads together because they seriously need that much space at their sens. i don't have a clue how this translates to rts games, it's not really the same type of motions at all.
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Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
May 16 2007 08:34 GMT
#14
Razer Diamondback
1600 DPI
Max speed in Razer settings
6 of 10 speed in the mouse setting of windows
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JimBobRay
Profile Joined May 2005
128 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-05-16 08:49:31
May 16 2007 08:48 GMT
#15
That's extremely interesting Zanno. Thanks for posting that.

So optimally, a 2000 dpi mouse at low sensitivity setting would be the best thing out there now. Now I wonder how different companies handle sensitivity settings, and also how Windows' built in acceleration affects mouse speed. I have mine cranked up to max on a 800 dpi mouse and although I can move fast across the screen (3-4 cm, I estimate, maybe less) my accuracy is low - I have a hard time selecting peons in the beginning, misclicking and hitting 2 at once. (I am not sure how that even happens sometimes...)
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TheosEx
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States894 Posts
May 16 2007 08:51 GMT
#16
I was under the impression that DPI increases the accuracy of your mouse movements as well as the reaction time. For example, if you try to quickly select a group of units in BW with a cheap mouse, your "box selection" will start off a bit late. A higher DPI mouse will more accurately depict where you actually started your "box selection." This was the biggest difference I saw when I tried out different mice. I bought a Kesignton "office mouse" because I liked all the extra buttons, but it's reaction time just sucked because it was only operating at 400 DPI. I now use a Logitech MX518 which operates at 1600 DPI. There's a big difference in accuracy, I can already tell. In fact, it's going to take me a while to get used to how accurate it is.

Of course, mouse sensitivity and "accuracy" are just preferences, IMO. In reality, I prefer ball mice the best and if it were not for the discontinuation, I would still be using those. I especially prefered the ball mice in FPS games because I could do "flick" shots much better. A flick shot is where you are pointing somewhere and then suddenly need to point somewhere else, with of course, pinpoint accuracy. Especially useful when you are sniping, someone sneaks up behind you, and you need to shoot them point-blank in the head (i.e. Counter-strike). Ball mice made this easy for me because I mastered the timing of the ball spin. I would just flick my wrist and the ball would continue to spin in the air. I knew exactly just how to flick it so that when it stopped, the pointer would be right on someone's head.

In games like StarCraft, DPI becomes a much bigger issue where you sometimes need to select a single unit within a cluster of units (i.e. Templars within a group of Zealots, or Zerglings within group of Hydralisks, etc.) Even still, I think 800 DPI and a decent sensitivity would do just fine. I think it would be ideal that you could slide your pointer across the screen with just one mouse movement across your mousepad. Of course, that's just me.

And oh, since people mentioned it... back when I play Counter-strike, I measured my sensitivity based on how many 360's I could do too. On 1024x768 resolution, my CS sensitivity was 18.5, and full Windows sensitivity. That's about 6x 360s per mousepad slide.
ilovezil
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4143 Posts
May 16 2007 09:14 GMT
#17
On May 16 2007 16:47 Zanno wrote:
ok

dpi is the rate at which the mouse samples movement

if one mouse has 500 dpi and another mouse has 1000 dpi at the same sense, the 1000 dpi mouse will move twice as fast as the other one

if you half the sensitivity of the 1000 dpi mouse, the movement will be the same speed, but far more accurate to the precise motion of your hand, as the sensor is tracking the motion twice as often (not to mention high dpi mice have generally more accurate sensors all around) there is an important exception to this - if you have such an extremely low sens that the mouse is only moving a fraction of a pixel every snapshot, then the high dpi does nothing.

to crank the sens of a high dpi mouse all the way up is pretty stupid, unless you have such good coordination that you can manage things with millimeter precision. sounds like a great way to give yourself carpal tunnel to me personally, but if it's working for you, then hey, that's cool

in fps games, lower sensitivity is generally considered conductive of more accurate movements. some professional counterstrike players do things like tape a grid of mousepads together because they seriously need that much space at their sens. i don't have a clue how this translates to rts games, it's not really the same type of motions at all.


by sensitivity, you mean the window's acceleration adjustment, right?
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-05-16 09:28:07
May 16 2007 09:26 GMT
#18
On May 16 2007 18:14 ilovezil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2007 16:47 Zanno wrote:
ok

dpi is the rate at which the mouse samples movement

if one mouse has 500 dpi and another mouse has 1000 dpi at the same sense, the 1000 dpi mouse will move twice as fast as the other one

if you half the sensitivity of the 1000 dpi mouse, the movement will be the same speed, but far more accurate to the precise motion of your hand, as the sensor is tracking the motion twice as often (not to mention high dpi mice have generally more accurate sensors all around) there is an important exception to this - if you have such an extremely low sens that the mouse is only moving a fraction of a pixel every snapshot, then the high dpi does nothing.

to crank the sens of a high dpi mouse all the way up is pretty stupid, unless you have such good coordination that you can manage things with millimeter precision. sounds like a great way to give yourself carpal tunnel to me personally, but if it's working for you, then hey, that's cool

in fps games, lower sensitivity is generally considered conductive of more accurate movements. some professional counterstrike players do things like tape a grid of mousepads together because they seriously need that much space at their sens. i don't have a clue how this translates to rts games, it's not really the same type of motions at all.


by sensitivity, you mean the window's acceleration adjustment, right?


acceleration =/= sensitivity

They are two different things. Acceleration speeds up the cursor as it is moved. Sensitivity is the base speed. Acceleration is bad.
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infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-05-16 09:36:50
May 16 2007 09:31 GMT
#19
On May 16 2007 17:34 Carnac wrote:
Razer Diamondback
1600 DPI
Max speed in Razer settings
6 of 10 speed in the mouse setting of windows

me too ^^

but honestly, I don't really care about DPI. I think 800 would work fine for me. What I do care about is how comfortable the mouse is to grip, to move, and to click, and how fast it reacts to my movements (which should always always be instant). If a mouse meets all those requirements, I couldn't care less if I had a 800 DPI mouse or a 2400 DPI mouse.
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red.venom
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4651 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-05-16 09:35:37
May 16 2007 09:34 GMT
#20
On May 16 2007 18:26 Mindcrime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2007 18:14 ilovezil wrote:
On May 16 2007 16:47 Zanno wrote:
ok

dpi is the rate at which the mouse samples movement

if one mouse has 500 dpi and another mouse has 1000 dpi at the same sense, the 1000 dpi mouse will move twice as fast as the other one

if you half the sensitivity of the 1000 dpi mouse, the movement will be the same speed, but far more accurate to the precise motion of your hand, as the sensor is tracking the motion twice as often (not to mention high dpi mice have generally more accurate sensors all around) there is an important exception to this - if you have such an extremely low sens that the mouse is only moving a fraction of a pixel every snapshot, then the high dpi does nothing.

to crank the sens of a high dpi mouse all the way up is pretty stupid, unless you have such good coordination that you can manage things with millimeter precision. sounds like a great way to give yourself carpal tunnel to me personally, but if it's working for you, then hey, that's cool

in fps games, lower sensitivity is generally considered conductive of more accurate movements. some professional counterstrike players do things like tape a grid of mousepads together because they seriously need that much space at their sens. i don't have a clue how this translates to rts games, it's not really the same type of motions at all.


by sensitivity, you mean the window's acceleration adjustment, right?


acceleration =/= sensitivity

They are two different things. Acceleration speeds up the cursor as it is moved. Sensitivity is the base speed. Acceleration is bad.


I like acceleration. It has its place because if you get used to the nuance of it, you can move the cursor slow or fast rather than always at the same speed. For me thats nice in Starcraft.

However acceleration between mouse drivers tends to vary alot so switching mice if you play with it is fucking gay. ;` [ Most people will probably agree that they dont like it though.

Edit: I also use 1600dpi with the settings all pretty low in the razer config. About 4.5 for sensitivity, 3.5 speed and 2.5 accel.
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Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
May 16 2007 09:34 GMT
#21
Logitech G5
2000 DPI set to Max for everything else
bout 1000 for SC
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Equinox_kr
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States7395 Posts
May 16 2007 09:45 GMT
#22
2000 DPI on my Logitech G5 :O

Works well
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davidgurt
Profile Joined September 2006
United States1355 Posts
May 16 2007 09:47 GMT
#23
1800 DPI, Razer Copperhead, Sensitivity 2.5
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davidgurt
Profile Joined September 2006
United States1355 Posts
May 16 2007 09:47 GMT
#24
On May 16 2007 15:31 ilovezil wrote:
Hold on. Explain the sensitivity thing to me. All I did was blindly set my DPI to 1600 and hit max on window's acceleration.


Acceleration is bad for gaming.
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Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-05-16 09:50:19
May 16 2007 09:48 GMT
#25
You should always put your mouse at highest dpi.

I don't get people that say you can't control it. That's ridiculous. Why did you bother buying the mouse anyway if you aren't even gonna use it's full potential. You might say just for the better stock tracking but that's hardly THAT much of a difference.

Just lower your sens and it'll feel the same as 400 or whatever. It is very very easy to get used to 1600 or more dpi, hell I'd expect at least that much from people at a starcraft forum.

The only times you should use around 400 dpi is if you're an artist or something and you need very specific detail.

Edit: Also it's important to use the highest hertz of your mouse as well. Most usb ports limit this.
Refer to this extremely helpful thread, works for most newer mice:

http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=41584
Knickknack
Profile Joined February 2004
United States1187 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-05-16 09:55:38
May 16 2007 09:54 GMT
#26
deathadder
1800dpi
3 in razer sens, 6(standard) in win pointer speed
0 accel
rough side of func1030
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XCetron
Profile Joined November 2006
5226 Posts
May 16 2007 09:55 GMT
#27
A4 Tech X7-18 series.
1600 DPI, max speed in control panel.
infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
May 16 2007 09:57 GMT
#28
On May 16 2007 18:48 Ack1027 wrote:
You should always put your mouse at highest dpi.

I don't get people that say you can't control it. That's ridiculous. Why did you bother buying the mouse anyway if you aren't even gonna use it's full potential. You might say just for the better stock tracking but that's hardly THAT much of a difference.

Just lower your sens and it'll feel the same as 400 or whatever. It is very very easy to get used to 1600 or more dpi, hell I'd expect at least that much from people at a starcraft forum.

The only times you should use around 400 dpi is if you're an artist or something and you need very specific detail.

Edit: Also it's important to use the highest hertz of your mouse as well. Most usb ports limit this.
Refer to this extremely helpful thread, works for most newer mice:

http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=41584

I bought my Razer because it's a good brand. Its design is superior to most (if not all) mouse manufacturers. I've experimented with all sorts of different speeds from max (1600) to about 400. Interestingly enough, I found that I play better on 400 than I do on 1600. But I ended up settling at around 800.

You don't buy mice just for the DPI. You buy it for the ergonomics, the quality, the feel.

btw my mouse is set to 1000 Hz ~_~
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Kacas
Profile Joined July 2003
Brazil3143 Posts
May 16 2007 10:33 GMT
#29
2000 dpi

speed 9!

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LazySCV
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
United States2942 Posts
May 16 2007 10:57 GMT
#30
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Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
May 16 2007 10:59 GMT
#31
I've got a razer viper. From memory, I think it's 1600 DPI. I've got it on max sensitivity. Dunno what my acceleration is set to, either min or max.
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JimBobRay
Profile Joined May 2005
128 Posts
May 16 2007 11:05 GMT
#32
Can someone tell me the difference between speed and sensitivity in razer mouse settings? I dont have one. Do logitech mice follow the same terminology (with the same meaning)?
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gameguard
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Korea (South)2131 Posts
May 16 2007 11:06 GMT
#33
I think someone has to ask this. How the hell do you change DPI?
jimminy_kriket
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada5500 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-05-16 11:17:49
May 16 2007 11:09 GMT
#34
Okay this must be cleared up, your mouse dpi can only be changed if you have a mouse specially designed to support it, aka most gaming mice. If you are unsure on whether or not you can change dpi, you cant.

1600 in windows, 1200 dpi in sc with windows mouse acceleration at 6 which is supposed to be 1:1 aka it doesnt skip pixels in order to move the cursor faster.

XCetron I have the x750, can you overclock your usb polling rate with your mouse?
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Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
May 16 2007 11:13 GMT
#35
On May 16 2007 20:06 gameguard wrote:
I think someone has to ask this. How the hell do you change DPI?


I don't think you can... DPI measures the accuracy of the mouse's physical hardware. Like, how small of a change in distance can it measure?
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JimBobRay
Profile Joined May 2005
128 Posts
May 16 2007 11:28 GMT
#36
On May 16 2007 20:09 jimminy_kriket wrote:

1600 in windows, 1200 dpi in sc with windows mouse acceleration at 6 which is supposed to be 1:1 aka it doesnt skip pixels in order to move the cursor faster.



I may be misunderstanding you, but why is the dpi for 1:1 mouse movement vs pixel coverage different in SC from in windows? I imagine it is the resolution, but sc runs at 640x480, and I imagine most people run windows at 1024x768 or higher; 640/1024 = .625, while 1200/1600 (dpi) =.75. These are different ratios.
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Zanno
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1484 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-05-16 11:37:13
May 16 2007 11:36 GMT
#37
On May 16 2007 17:51 TheosEx wrote:
I was under the impression that DPI increases the accuracy of your mouse movements as well as the reaction time. For example, if you try to quickly select a group of units in BW with a cheap mouse, your "box selection" will start off a bit late.
there are more factors than just dpi involved there, but i imagine it can't hurt
And oh, since people mentioned it... back when I play Counter-strike, I measured my sensitivity based on how many 360's I could do too. On 1024x768 resolution, my CS sensitivity was 18.5, and full Windows sensitivity. That's about 6x 360s per mousepad slide.
unless you have a mousepad the size of a pillow, that's way too freaking high. "average" sens at even the most basic of competitive fps levels is considered about 30 cm/1 foot per 360, slow paced games like cs are frequently lower, fast paced games like quake/ut are occasionally higher. it's all a matter of playstyle and preference, but i have no idea how you can accurately headshot with such a ridiculous sens (maybe you're bad at cs?)
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gameguard
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Korea (South)2131 Posts
May 16 2007 11:40 GMT
#38
i feel my sens is too low for SC... but I also play CS so it cant be helped. The scroll speed on SC is just the speed at which the sceen moves when u get to the edge of it, correct? To change sense on SC you have to do it from windows setting?
TheosEx
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States894 Posts
May 16 2007 15:04 GMT
#39
On May 16 2007 20:36 Zanno wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2007 17:51 TheosEx wrote:
I was under the impression that DPI increases the accuracy of your mouse movements as well as the reaction time. For example, if you try to quickly select a group of units in BW with a cheap mouse, your "box selection" will start off a bit late.
there are more factors than just dpi involved there, but i imagine it can't hurt
Show nested quote +
And oh, since people mentioned it... back when I play Counter-strike, I measured my sensitivity based on how many 360's I could do too. On 1024x768 resolution, my CS sensitivity was 18.5, and full Windows sensitivity. That's about 6x 360s per mousepad slide.
unless you have a mousepad the size of a pillow, that's way too freaking high. "average" sens at even the most basic of competitive fps levels is considered about 30 cm/1 foot per 360, slow paced games like cs are frequently lower, fast paced games like quake/ut are occasionally higher. it's all a matter of playstyle and preference, but i have no idea how you can accurately headshot with such a ridiculous sens (maybe you're bad at cs?)



That's not a ridiculous sensitivity. It's been a long time since I've played, but back when I played, that just a little bit higher than the average sensitivity for MOST good CS Snipers (from general consensus of other friends who played and asking online).

I bet that since then, gameplay has changed dramatically in CS. At the time, it fit gameplay perfect. Most people didn't have a clue on how to take out a well-positioned experienced sniper using different types of "tricks." CS now had shields, different flash grenade effects, etc. that have probably changed the game quite a bit. At that time, a good sniper was a sniper who can keep watch of two or more locations at the same time. On some maps even, it was particularly easy to get "shanked" (or knifed) because of the relative close proximity of bases. Therefore, it was necessary to have high sensitivity to be able to constantly monitor all 360 degrees. Games were so much more fast paced back then too. I noticed that when I left, clan matches started to get really slow (i.e. terrorist teams literally crawling to the bomb location on de_ maps). People also started to get really good with AKs and M4s to the point where a sniper could get sniped himself with one. I don't know if I can really explain all of this that well, but I kid you not... that's what my sensitivity was.
ocoini
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
648 Posts
May 16 2007 15:38 GMT
#40
2000... but im just as shitty as befor
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CowGoMoo
Profile Joined December 2006
United States428 Posts
May 16 2007 21:58 GMT
#41
On May 16 2007 17:48 JimBobRay wrote:
I have mine cranked up to max on a 800 dpi mouse and although I can move fast across the screen (3-4 cm, I estimate, maybe less) my accuracy is low - I have a hard time selecting peons in the beginning, misclicking and hitting 2 at once. (I am not sure how that even happens sometimes...)


you select 2 peons when you dont release the mouse button quick enough, it creates a drag box even if you cant see it. Try tapping the button and releasing it as quickly as you can. You will know you are doing it right when you can move the mouse across the screen while clicking and not create any drag boxes, or at least very few small ones.


I use an 800 DPI logitech, max windows sensativity and 9 logitech, no accel.
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Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Romania3955 Posts
May 16 2007 22:09 GMT
#42
800 DPI A4tech, max windows sensitivity.
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Equinox_kr
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States7395 Posts
May 16 2007 23:03 GMT
#43
On May 16 2007 18:57 infinity21 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2007 18:48 Ack1027 wrote:
You should always put your mouse at highest dpi.

I don't get people that say you can't control it. That's ridiculous. Why did you bother buying the mouse anyway if you aren't even gonna use it's full potential. You might say just for the better stock tracking but that's hardly THAT much of a difference.

Just lower your sens and it'll feel the same as 400 or whatever. It is very very easy to get used to 1600 or more dpi, hell I'd expect at least that much from people at a starcraft forum.

The only times you should use around 400 dpi is if you're an artist or something and you need very specific detail.

Edit: Also it's important to use the highest hertz of your mouse as well. Most usb ports limit this.
Refer to this extremely helpful thread, works for most newer mice:

http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=41584

I bought my Razer because it's a good brand. Its design is superior to most (if not all) mouse manufacturers.


:O Logitech is a good company
^-^
CubEdIn
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Romania5359 Posts
May 16 2007 23:29 GMT
#44
Logitech owns all. But seriously, why use lower dpi and higher sensitivity when you can use higher dpi (increased accuracy) and lower sensitivity?
Im not a n00b, I just play like one.
Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
May 17 2007 00:08 GMT
#45
On May 16 2007 18:57 infinity21 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2007 18:48 Ack1027 wrote:
You should always put your mouse at highest dpi.

I don't get people that say you can't control it. That's ridiculous. Why did you bother buying the mouse anyway if you aren't even gonna use it's full potential. You might say just for the better stock tracking but that's hardly THAT much of a difference.

Just lower your sens and it'll feel the same as 400 or whatever. It is very very easy to get used to 1600 or more dpi, hell I'd expect at least that much from people at a starcraft forum.

The only times you should use around 400 dpi is if you're an artist or something and you need very specific detail.

Edit: Also it's important to use the highest hertz of your mouse as well. Most usb ports limit this.
Refer to this extremely helpful thread, works for most newer mice:

http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=41584

I bought my Razer because it's a good brand. Its design is superior to most (if not all) mouse manufacturers. I've experimented with all sorts of different speeds from max (1600) to about 400. Interestingly enough, I found that I play better on 400 than I do on 1600. But I ended up settling at around 800.

You don't buy mice just for the DPI. You buy it for the ergonomics, the quality, the feel.

btw my mouse is set to 1000 Hz ~_~


This topic is about mouse DPI. No where did I mention that you only buy a mouse for the dpi. I simply said if you happen to have a mouse with adjustable dpi you should always use it at highest.

Your reply is a fail.
Zanno
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1484 Posts
May 17 2007 00:15 GMT
#46
[QUOTE]On May 17 2007 00:04 TheosEx wrote:
[QUOTE]On May 16 2007 20:36 Zanno wrote:
[QUOTE]On May 16 2007 17:51 TheosEx wrote:
Therefore, it was necessary to have high sensitivity to be able to constantly monitor all 360 degrees. Games were so much more fast paced back then too. I noticed that when I left, clan matches started to get really slow (i.e. terrorist teams literally crawling to the bomb location on de_ maps). People also started to get really good with AKs and M4s to the point where a sniper could get sniped himself with one. I don't know if I can really explain all of this that well, but I kid you not... that's what my sensitivity was.[/QUOTE]sounds like pub nub matches to me, anyone in cal will tell you otherwise

i'm not trying to be a dick, but using a sens that hight is the starcraft equvalient trying to play never using a single hotkey. you might be able to win here or there, but you'll never hit your full potential.

if you need to rotate quickly you sweep your arm really fast. i'd go find a video of professional cs players (they sweep their mouse in a huge line if they need to do a quick 180) but i'm stuck on dialup till saturday. the low sens is necessary because a matter of 1 or 2 pixels can make the difference between a hit or a miss.
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Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
May 17 2007 00:31 GMT
#47
I use 2000 on my G3.
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CubEdIn
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Romania5359 Posts
May 17 2007 00:57 GMT
#48
Using 2000DPI and 4/10 mouse sensitivity on a Logitech G5. It's quite fast but I got used to it.
Im not a n00b, I just play like one.
davidgurt
Profile Joined September 2006
United States1355 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-05-17 01:16:39
May 17 2007 01:14 GMT
#49
Mouse I have right now: Razer Copperhead
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Mouse I want to buy: Logitech MX Revolution
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I bought my new Copperhead for only $35. I think they're still at about $60 normally. I usually play with finger mouses, but I keep thinking that maybe palm mouses are the way to go for me. However, I've tried out the G5 and didn't like it that much.

$30 G5 for those of you interested:
http://spoofee.com/forums/showthread.php?p=297359
There's crashing?
Kacas
Profile Joined July 2003
Brazil3143 Posts
May 17 2007 02:04 GMT
#50
i hate palm mouses...

looks like you're playing with a toy car...

razer > logitech ;P
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infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
May 17 2007 03:24 GMT
#51
On May 17 2007 09:08 Ack1027 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2007 18:57 infinity21 wrote:
On May 16 2007 18:48 Ack1027 wrote:
You should always put your mouse at highest dpi.

I don't get people that say you can't control it. That's ridiculous. Why did you bother buying the mouse anyway if you aren't even gonna use it's full potential. You might say just for the better stock tracking but that's hardly THAT much of a difference.

Just lower your sens and it'll feel the same as 400 or whatever. It is very very easy to get used to 1600 or more dpi, hell I'd expect at least that much from people at a starcraft forum.

The only times you should use around 400 dpi is if you're an artist or something and you need very specific detail.

Edit: Also it's important to use the highest hertz of your mouse as well. Most usb ports limit this.
Refer to this extremely helpful thread, works for most newer mice:

http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=41584

I bought my Razer because it's a good brand. Its design is superior to most (if not all) mouse manufacturers. I've experimented with all sorts of different speeds from max (1600) to about 400. Interestingly enough, I found that I play better on 400 than I do on 1600. But I ended up settling at around 800.

You don't buy mice just for the DPI. You buy it for the ergonomics, the quality, the feel.

btw my mouse is set to 1000 Hz ~_~


This topic is about mouse DPI. No where did I mention that you only buy a mouse for the dpi. I simply said if you happen to have a mouse with adjustable dpi you should always use it at highest.

Your reply is a fail.


On May 16 2007 18:48 Ack1027 wrote:
Why did you bother buying the mouse anyway if you aren't even gonna use it's full potential.

I wasn't aware that a mouse's full potential only included its DPI. -__-
This is a response to that particular statement.
On May 16 2007 18:57 infinity21 wrote:
You don't buy mice just for the DPI. You buy it for the ergonomics, the quality, the feel.
Official Entusman #21
JimBobRay
Profile Joined May 2005
128 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-05-17 04:08:41
May 17 2007 04:08 GMT
#52
Keep it on topic please
Thanks to some of the great and informative responses so far.
Has anyone ever tried diplomacy in starcraft?
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-05-17 07:17:46
May 17 2007 04:11 GMT
#53
I just noticed that the MX310 is only capable of 800dpi.I could have sworn it was 1600. That means this fucking bulky piece of shit MX518 is actually better. I wonder if I can switch the shells on the mice. That would be leet.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
TheosEx
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States894 Posts
May 17 2007 04:26 GMT
#54
[QUOTE]On May 17 2007 09:15 Zanno wrote:
[QUOTE]On May 17 2007 00:04 TheosEx wrote:
[QUOTE]On May 16 2007 20:36 Zanno wrote:
[QUOTE]On May 16 2007 17:51 TheosEx wrote:
Therefore, it was necessary to have high sensitivity to be able to constantly monitor all 360 degrees. Games were so much more fast paced back then too. I noticed that when I left, clan matches started to get really slow (i.e. terrorist teams literally crawling to the bomb location on de_ maps). People also started to get really good with AKs and M4s to the point where a sniper could get sniped himself with one. I don't know if I can really explain all of this that well, but I kid you not... that's what my sensitivity was.[/QUOTE]sounds like pub nub matches to me, anyone in cal will tell you otherwise

i'm not trying to be a dick, but using a sens that hight is the starcraft equvalient trying to play never using a single hotkey. you might be able to win here or there, but you'll never hit your full potential.

if you need to rotate quickly you sweep your arm really fast. i'd go find a video of professional cs players (they sweep their mouse in a huge line if they need to do a quick 180) but i'm stuck on dialup till saturday. the low sens is necessary because a matter of 1 or 2 pixels can make the difference between a hit or a miss.[/QUOTE]


Like I said, the times has changed. Trust me, I know how to play CS. Yes, I made references to public matches, but who the hell plays CS purely for private clan matches. You will get either extremely bored or will never get that good to begin with. I don't know how long you've been playing CS, but there's been a ton of changes, since the first version, to 1.5, to Condition Zero, to Source. Back when I played in 1.3, when you could still get snipe hits while jumping... it was a totally different game. Anyways, there's alot more to CS than just mouse accuracy, DPI, sensitivity, and even resolution/pixels. You have to be good at interpreting sounds, have a good understanding of strategy, geometry, have fast fingers, and extremely good coordination.
GranDim
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
Canada1214 Posts
May 17 2007 05:24 GMT
#55
It amaze me how most people don't seem to care about about buttons. I love my mx510 because it has 8 buttons including the mouse wheel. Having 8 easy to acces hotkey mean you can focus so much more on 1234567890 in a rts and wasd in a mmo/shooter. The speed increase you get from near instant actions beat the microseconds you get from a sightly faster and more accurate pointer. hotkeys>ergonomics>dpi
Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
May 17 2007 05:49 GMT
#56
On May 17 2007 12:24 infinity21 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2007 09:08 Ack1027 wrote:
On May 16 2007 18:57 infinity21 wrote:
On May 16 2007 18:48 Ack1027 wrote:
You should always put your mouse at highest dpi.

I don't get people that say you can't control it. That's ridiculous. Why did you bother buying the mouse anyway if you aren't even gonna use it's full potential. You might say just for the better stock tracking but that's hardly THAT much of a difference.

Just lower your sens and it'll feel the same as 400 or whatever. It is very very easy to get used to 1600 or more dpi, hell I'd expect at least that much from people at a starcraft forum.

The only times you should use around 400 dpi is if you're an artist or something and you need very specific detail.

Edit: Also it's important to use the highest hertz of your mouse as well. Most usb ports limit this.
Refer to this extremely helpful thread, works for most newer mice:

http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=41584

I bought my Razer because it's a good brand. Its design is superior to most (if not all) mouse manufacturers. I've experimented with all sorts of different speeds from max (1600) to about 400. Interestingly enough, I found that I play better on 400 than I do on 1600. But I ended up settling at around 800.

You don't buy mice just for the DPI. You buy it for the ergonomics, the quality, the feel.

btw my mouse is set to 1000 Hz ~_~


This topic is about mouse DPI. No where did I mention that you only buy a mouse for the dpi. I simply said if you happen to have a mouse with adjustable dpi you should always use it at highest.

Your reply is a fail.


Show nested quote +
On May 16 2007 18:48 Ack1027 wrote:
Why did you bother buying the mouse anyway if you aren't even gonna use it's full potential.

I wasn't aware that a mouse's full potential only included its DPI. -__-
This is a response to that particular statement.
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2007 18:57 infinity21 wrote:
You don't buy mice just for the DPI. You buy it for the ergonomics, the quality, the feel.


I'm guessing English isn't your first language?

On May 16 2007 18:48 Ack1027 wrote:
Why did you bother buying the mouse anyway if you aren't even gonna use it's full potential.


Refers to it's dpi potential in context.

Besides, other than very recently for the weight, could you CHANGE the shape , quality, and feel of a mouse?
davidgurt
Profile Joined September 2006
United States1355 Posts
May 17 2007 05:54 GMT
#57
Oh, another comment. If you're playing Starcraft, you really don't need more than 800 DPI. It's different for other games.
There's crashing?
Zanno
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1484 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-05-17 06:25:23
May 17 2007 06:23 GMT
#58
On May 17 2007 14:54 davidgurt wrote:
Oh, another comment. If you're playing Starcraft, you really don't need more than 800 DPI. It's different for other games.
all the quality sensors just happen to be high dpi though, cheap mice tend to have other problems with skipping, negative acceleration (when you move a mouse so fast it can't keep up and caps off the speed) and generally unreliable tracking

negative accel is hugely prevalent virtually all mice that ship with a new pc, when i visit my parents for the weekend i can't play sc with my their mouse at all, i try to whip my mouse around a bunch in a battle requiring heavy heavy micro and i end up only halfway there or sometimes in a totally different direction. my diamondback doesn't have these sort of problems, it goes where i tell it to
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funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9374 Posts
May 17 2007 06:38 GMT
#59
I created (kind of long ago) this thread where people could post what mouse they had and post some feedback, I can't find it though ;p.

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Shiva_Chandra
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Denmark341 Posts
May 17 2007 08:02 GMT
#60
2000 DPI, 1000 rep/sec (at least that's what I think the setting is for? >_<) and max sensitivity and zero acceleration using a Logitech G3.

I'm fast, inaccurate and have mediocre apm!
Avi @^_^@
infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-05-17 08:19:17
May 17 2007 08:12 GMT
#61
On May 17 2007 14:49 Ack1027 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2007 18:48 Ack1027 wrote:
Why did you bother buying the mouse anyway if you aren't even gonna use it's full potential.


Refers to it's dpi potential in context.

Besides, other than very recently for the weight, could you CHANGE the shape , quality, and feel of a mouse?

No, english is not my first language but I don't know how that has to do with anything since I spent 8 years in Canada. I'm pretty sure you don't know what I'm saying so I'll explain further. The original poster (or anyone else, for that matter) could be buying mice not based on DPI but based on all those things I described. They can't CHANGE the shape, quality, and the feel of a mouse but they can BUY the mouse that they like best. I'm responding to the buying part of your statement, not the potential part.

In other words, you ask why people bother to buy a mouse if they're not using it to their full potential. I say people buy it because of shape, quality, and feel. Yes, we're discussing this in a DPI thread but I don't see why I am forbidden to talk about a closely related subject.


Anyways, at least in SC, DPI makes very little or no difference past 800. It's just the quality of the sensor that makes the difference. Many people can play at the pro level with 800 DPI. So I don't see why you think that you must play with 2000 if you have a 2000 DPI mouse. People can just buy it because they like the ergonomics and use it at 800 DPI. What's wrong with that?

edit: w/e this is pointless.. let's drop it, ok?
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davidgurt
Profile Joined September 2006
United States1355 Posts
May 17 2007 08:52 GMT
#62
On May 17 2007 15:23 Zanno wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2007 14:54 davidgurt wrote:
Oh, another comment. If you're playing Starcraft, you really don't need more than 800 DPI. It's different for other games.
all the quality sensors just happen to be high dpi though, cheap mice tend to have other problems with skipping, negative acceleration (when you move a mouse so fast it can't keep up and caps off the speed) and generally unreliable tracking

negative accel is hugely prevalent virtually all mice that ship with a new pc, when i visit my parents for the weekend i can't play sc with my their mouse at all, i try to whip my mouse around a bunch in a battle requiring heavy heavy micro and i end up only halfway there or sometimes in a totally different direction. my diamondback doesn't have these sort of problems, it goes where i tell it to


That's true, but I was talking strictly about using high DPI as opposed to low DPI on the same mouse.
There's crashing?
Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
May 17 2007 11:23 GMT
#63
On May 17 2007 17:12 infinity21 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2007 14:49 Ack1027 wrote:
On May 16 2007 18:48 Ack1027 wrote:
Why did you bother buying the mouse anyway if you aren't even gonna use it's full potential.


Refers to it's dpi potential in context.

Besides, other than very recently for the weight, could you CHANGE the shape , quality, and feel of a mouse?

No, english is not my first language but I don't know how that has to do with anything since I spent 8 years in Canada. I'm pretty sure you don't know what I'm saying so I'll explain further. The original poster (or anyone else, for that matter) could be buying mice not based on DPI but based on all those things I described. They can't CHANGE the shape, quality, and the feel of a mouse but they can BUY the mouse that they like best. I'm responding to the buying part of your statement, not the potential part.

In other words, you ask why people bother to buy a mouse if they're not using it to their full potential. I say people buy it because of shape, quality, and feel. Yes, we're discussing this in a DPI thread but I don't see why I am forbidden to talk about a closely related subject.


Anyways, at least in SC, DPI makes very little or no difference past 800. It's just the quality of the sensor that makes the difference. Many people can play at the pro level with 800 DPI. So I don't see why you think that you must play with 2000 if you have a 2000 DPI mouse. People can just buy it because they like the ergonomics and use it at 800 DPI. What's wrong with that?

edit: w/e this is pointless.. let's drop it, ok?


Actually it's not pointless. An analogy would look something like this:
Someone buys a computer because they like the features, specs etc... However, they refuse to use anti-virus software that comes with the computer, or they decide to use a limited amount of the anti-virus. Not using your full dpi on your mouse and adjusting the sens as such that it feels like lower dpi is essentially the same as not using or using limited amounts of the anti-virus software. Sure you can never install software and technically still use your computer but if there is something better out there why would you not want to use it?

I agree on your point about sc, and yes because it is an old game 800 dpi is really all you'll ever need for it.

The reason I think you should use 2000 if you have a 2000 dpi mouse is because you can have the exact same mouse movement and speed with better precision and tracking as opposed to a lower dpi.

For example:
3.0 sens at 800 dpi is about the same as 1.5 sens 1600 dpi.

If it feels the same, looks the same, and takes very little time getting used to, why would you not prefer to use the 1.5 sens at 1600 dpi? This was my main question in my first post. Basically I'm confused why anyone would use the 3.0 at 800 even after knowing this information.
Zanno
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1484 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-05-17 11:52:53
May 17 2007 11:51 GMT
#64
comment retracted
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JimBobRay
Profile Joined May 2005
128 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-05-17 13:25:34
May 17 2007 13:23 GMT
#65


Anyways, at least in SC, DPI makes very little or no difference past 800. It's just the quality of the sensor that makes the difference.


I thought DPI and sensor quality were linked, in that higher sensor quality means higher dpi? What is the difference? Can someone explain this for me?

Edit - actually, I think Ack answered it. I didn't think that was correct.
Has anyone ever tried diplomacy in starcraft?
JimBobRay
Profile Joined May 2005
128 Posts
May 17 2007 13:32 GMT
#66
So the consesus thus far seems to look like this:

*Max your DPI setting
*set your sensitivity setting relatively low - at least for starcraft, this provides more accuracy, but makes the mouse slower (or is it another trade off?)
*no acceleration

If anyone disagrees, feel free to and provide a reason.

Topics that seem to not have been addressed much:
*So what about built in speed settings for logitiech and razer mice? Any suggestions?
*Also, many people have touched upon this already, but not many reasons were offered. What mouse settings do you use in windows? default or lower/higher?

Thanks for those who have posted helpful comments so far.
Has anyone ever tried diplomacy in starcraft?
rpf
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States2705 Posts
May 17 2007 13:33 GMT
#67
On May 16 2007 15:06 ilovezil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2007 15:04 JimBobRay wrote:
are your mouse sensitivity options part of a program that comes with your mouse or are you referring to Windows' built in mouse acceleration feature?


I set the window's built-in mouse feature to fastest in order to supplement the 1600 DPI feature my mouse is capable of. I'm curious what 2000 would be like, though.
It doesn't work like that. Keep your windows setting at 6/11 or you lose accuracy.
"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." - Sigmund Freud
davidgurt
Profile Joined September 2006
United States1355 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-05-17 13:43:26
May 17 2007 13:41 GMT
#68
I didn't know the sensor is better if you use 2000 DPI.
There's crashing?
Zanno
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1484 Posts
May 17 2007 13:56 GMT
#69
On May 17 2007 22:41 davidgurt wrote:
I didn't know the sensor is better if you use 2000 DPI.
it's the other way around

optical 2000 dpi sensors are higher quality

laser mice are horrible, never buy one
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JimBobRay
Profile Joined May 2005
128 Posts
May 17 2007 15:27 GMT
#70
On May 17 2007 22:56 Zanno wrote:


laser mice are horrible, never buy one


Why? They are supposed to be more precise than optical mice.
Has anyone ever tried diplomacy in starcraft?
CubEdIn
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Romania5359 Posts
May 17 2007 16:09 GMT
#71
Well I have a Logitech G5 Laser 2000 DPI and I never had it skip (unless there was something on my pad and it got lifted off it, like a piece of paper or something), nor do I have any accuracy problems.

And, unlike my ex-optical-mice, it works on most surfaces, belive it or not. I use a SteelPad 5L as the surface, but it works on wood, cloth, anything, just fine. Why is it horrible? Do you have any actual arguments on that?

*So what about built in speed settings for logitiech and razer mice? Any suggestions?
What do you mean by that? The g5 and the g3 have an on-the-fly sensitivity button. Which means that you can change the DPI from 2000 to 800 to 400 in-game or whatever. I don't use it, but it can be configured to any 5 values (like 2000-1600-1200-1000-800) that you can toggle between. This doesn't help me much, but I guess it would help with sniping in CS or something like that.

If you mean the USB speed. Mine is set at 500Hz. I heard you could change that to 1000 but I read somewhere that 500 is what the g5 was designed for, so I won't bother.

*Also, many people have touched upon this already, but not many reasons were offered. What mouse settings do you use in windows? default or lower/higher?

Well with my mouse, the Logitech software and the Windows Mouse pannel are linked. So if I change one, the other will change too. I use it at about 60% (or 6/10), a little above the default value. With no acceleration.
Im not a n00b, I just play like one.
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51430 Posts
May 17 2007 16:15 GMT
#72
Kinda off-topic, but does the Logitech G3 have DPI-changable settings?
Commentator
CubEdIn
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Romania5359 Posts
May 17 2007 16:19 GMT
#73
...I just said that in the above post. Yes it does.
Im not a n00b, I just play like one.
JimBobRay
Profile Joined May 2005
128 Posts
May 17 2007 18:01 GMT
#74
Hey CubEdin,
Some mice have speed settings apart from sensitivity settings, including some logitech mice, or at least I am under that impression. I wasn't referring to DPI settings.
Thanks for the responses.
Has anyone ever tried diplomacy in starcraft?
CubEdIn
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Romania5359 Posts
May 17 2007 18:59 GMT
#75
Well as far as I know, some razers have adjustable sensitivity both from the razer software AND the windows pannel. Logitech setpoint is directly related to windows sensitivity, so it does not. But other than that, and DPI, I don't have any idea about other speed settings.

The USB connection speed is also shown on boxes, so you see things like ULTRA FAST 1000Hz USB SPEED for lighting fast response.

So the only speed settings apart from sensitivity settings is the DPI setting. And yes, some logitech mice have specialised buttons, as I described earlier. Reducing dpi from 1600 to 800 for example, is like changing your sensitivity to half of what it actually is.
Im not a n00b, I just play like one.
n.SK)NiGhTY
Profile Joined March 2004
Germany94 Posts
May 17 2007 19:08 GMT
#76
On May 16 2007 18:45 Equinox_kr wrote:
2000 DPI on my Logitech G5 :O

Works well


same here
JimBobRay
Profile Joined May 2005
128 Posts
May 17 2007 22:44 GMT
#77
On May 18 2007 03:59 CubEdIn wrote:
Well as far as I know, some razers have adjustable sensitivity both from the razer software AND the windows pannel. Logitech setpoint is directly related to windows sensitivity, so it does not. But other than that, and DPI, I don't have any idea about other speed settings.

The USB connection speed is also shown on boxes, so you see things like ULTRA FAST 1000Hz USB SPEED for lighting fast response.

So the only speed settings apart from sensitivity settings is the DPI setting. And yes, some logitech mice have specialised buttons, as I described earlier. Reducing dpi from 1600 to 800 for example, is like changing your sensitivity to half of what it actually is.


Thanks. I just looked up the razer mouse software and it seems I was mistaking the speed setting as distinct - It uses windows' pointer speed as well.
Has anyone ever tried diplomacy in starcraft?
rpf
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States2705 Posts
May 17 2007 23:01 GMT
#78
http://forums.caleague.com/showthread.php?t=96767

That's the end of this thread. Seriously, so many of you guys are spouting such bullshit it'd take me days just to go through and disprove everyone.

So there. Sign up, read the thread, understand how things work. There are more things to consider than just Windows sensitivity and your mouse's DPI.
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Freezard
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Sweden1010 Posts
May 17 2007 23:09 GMT
#79
On May 16 2007 15:20 Zanno wrote:
i use a razer diamondback at 1600 dpi with no drivers and the windows speed slider set at three notches (default is 6) in 1280x1024 it takes me about 10 cm to move across the screen.

in fps games people talk about cm/360 which is the length you need to move the mouse to rotate 360 degrees, i often wonder what pros use for cm/screen. any wanna grab a ruler and measure? sens is often heavily dependent on mouse make and how the cpu feels like interpeting things, two identical sens on will rarely be the same unless the two comps are the same model


I use 1600 DPI with 20CM / 360. MX518.
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