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JimBobRay
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fanta[Rn]
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ilovezil
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JimBobRay
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ilovezil
United States4143 Posts
On May 16 2007 15:04 JimBobRay wrote: are your mouse sensitivity options part of a program that comes with your mouse or are you referring to Windows' built in mouse acceleration feature? I set the window's built-in mouse feature to fastest in order to supplement the 1600 DPI feature my mouse is capable of. I'm curious what 2000 would be like, though. | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
Set to max pointer speed in control panel 7.5/10 speed with Razer's software | ||
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Zanno
United States1484 Posts
in fps games people talk about cm/360 which is the length you need to move the mouse to rotate 360 degrees, i often wonder what pros use for cm/screen. any wanna grab a ruler and measure? sens is often heavily dependent on mouse make and how the cpu feels like interpeting things, two identical sens on will rarely be the same unless the two comps are the same model | ||
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funkie
Venezuela9374 Posts
3.5/10 in Razer config. | ||
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Zanno
United States1484 Posts
On May 16 2007 14:48 fanta[Rn] wrote: you're missing the point. the whole purpose of a high dpi mouse is to use a low sens so that the higher sampling rate produces ultra-accurate movementsI'm using 400 I think. 2000 is WAY too fast for me. | ||
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fanta[Rn]
Japan2465 Posts
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ilovezil
United States4143 Posts
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decafchicken
United States19999 Posts
go big or go home | ||
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Zanno
United States1484 Posts
dpi is the rate at which the mouse samples movement if one mouse has 500 dpi and another mouse has 1000 dpi at the same sense, the 1000 dpi mouse will move twice as fast as the other one if you half the sensitivity of the 1000 dpi mouse, the movement will be the same speed, but far more accurate to the precise motion of your hand, as the sensor is tracking the motion twice as often (not to mention high dpi mice have generally more accurate sensors all around) there is an important exception to this - if you have such an extremely low sens that the mouse is only moving a fraction of a pixel every snapshot, then the high dpi does nothing. to crank the sens of a high dpi mouse all the way up is pretty stupid, unless you have such good coordination that you can manage things with millimeter precision. sounds like a great way to give yourself carpal tunnel to me personally, but if it's working for you, then hey, that's cool in fps games, lower sensitivity is generally considered conductive of more accurate movements. some professional counterstrike players do things like tape a grid of mousepads together because they seriously need that much space at their sens. i don't have a clue how this translates to rts games, it's not really the same type of motions at all. | ||
Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
1600 DPI Max speed in Razer settings 6 of 10 speed in the mouse setting of windows | ||
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JimBobRay
128 Posts
So optimally, a 2000 dpi mouse at low sensitivity setting would be the best thing out there now. Now I wonder how different companies handle sensitivity settings, and also how Windows' built in acceleration affects mouse speed. I have mine cranked up to max on a 800 dpi mouse and although I can move fast across the screen (3-4 cm, I estimate, maybe less) my accuracy is low - I have a hard time selecting peons in the beginning, misclicking and hitting 2 at once. (I am not sure how that even happens sometimes...) | ||
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TheosEx
United States894 Posts
Of course, mouse sensitivity and "accuracy" are just preferences, IMO. In reality, I prefer ball mice the best and if it were not for the discontinuation, I would still be using those. I especially prefered the ball mice in FPS games because I could do "flick" shots much better. A flick shot is where you are pointing somewhere and then suddenly need to point somewhere else, with of course, pinpoint accuracy. Especially useful when you are sniping, someone sneaks up behind you, and you need to shoot them point-blank in the head (i.e. Counter-strike). Ball mice made this easy for me because I mastered the timing of the ball spin. I would just flick my wrist and the ball would continue to spin in the air. I knew exactly just how to flick it so that when it stopped, the pointer would be right on someone's head. In games like StarCraft, DPI becomes a much bigger issue where you sometimes need to select a single unit within a cluster of units (i.e. Templars within a group of Zealots, or Zerglings within group of Hydralisks, etc.) Even still, I think 800 DPI and a decent sensitivity would do just fine. I think it would be ideal that you could slide your pointer across the screen with just one mouse movement across your mousepad. Of course, that's just me. And oh, since people mentioned it... back when I play Counter-strike, I measured my sensitivity based on how many 360's I could do too. On 1024x768 resolution, my CS sensitivity was 18.5, and full Windows sensitivity. That's about 6x 360s per mousepad slide. | ||
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ilovezil
United States4143 Posts
On May 16 2007 16:47 Zanno wrote: ok dpi is the rate at which the mouse samples movement if one mouse has 500 dpi and another mouse has 1000 dpi at the same sense, the 1000 dpi mouse will move twice as fast as the other one if you half the sensitivity of the 1000 dpi mouse, the movement will be the same speed, but far more accurate to the precise motion of your hand, as the sensor is tracking the motion twice as often (not to mention high dpi mice have generally more accurate sensors all around) there is an important exception to this - if you have such an extremely low sens that the mouse is only moving a fraction of a pixel every snapshot, then the high dpi does nothing. to crank the sens of a high dpi mouse all the way up is pretty stupid, unless you have such good coordination that you can manage things with millimeter precision. sounds like a great way to give yourself carpal tunnel to me personally, but if it's working for you, then hey, that's cool in fps games, lower sensitivity is generally considered conductive of more accurate movements. some professional counterstrike players do things like tape a grid of mousepads together because they seriously need that much space at their sens. i don't have a clue how this translates to rts games, it's not really the same type of motions at all. by sensitivity, you mean the window's acceleration adjustment, right? | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On May 16 2007 18:14 ilovezil wrote: by sensitivity, you mean the window's acceleration adjustment, right? acceleration =/= sensitivity They are two different things. Acceleration speeds up the cursor as it is moved. Sensitivity is the base speed. Acceleration is bad. | ||
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infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
On May 16 2007 17:34 Carnac wrote: Razer Diamondback 1600 DPI Max speed in Razer settings 6 of 10 speed in the mouse setting of windows me too ^^ but honestly, I don't really care about DPI. I think 800 would work fine for me. What I do care about is how comfortable the mouse is to grip, to move, and to click, and how fast it reacts to my movements (which should always always be instant). If a mouse meets all those requirements, I couldn't care less if I had a 800 DPI mouse or a 2400 DPI mouse. | ||
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red.venom
United States4651 Posts
On May 16 2007 18:26 Mindcrime wrote: acceleration =/= sensitivity They are two different things. Acceleration speeds up the cursor as it is moved. Sensitivity is the base speed. Acceleration is bad. I like acceleration. It has its place because if you get used to the nuance of it, you can move the cursor slow or fast rather than always at the same speed. For me thats nice in Starcraft. However acceleration between mouse drivers tends to vary alot so switching mice if you play with it is fucking gay. ;` [ Most people will probably agree that they dont like it though. Edit: I also use 1600dpi with the settings all pretty low in the razer config. About 4.5 for sensitivity, 3.5 speed and 2.5 accel. | ||
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
2000 DPI set to Max for everything else bout 1000 for SC [spoiler] | ||
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Equinox_kr
United States7395 Posts
Works well | ||
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davidgurt
United States1355 Posts
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davidgurt
United States1355 Posts
On May 16 2007 15:31 ilovezil wrote: Hold on. Explain the sensitivity thing to me. All I did was blindly set my DPI to 1600 and hit max on window's acceleration. Acceleration is bad for gaming. | ||
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Ack1027
United States7873 Posts
I don't get people that say you can't control it. That's ridiculous. Why did you bother buying the mouse anyway if you aren't even gonna use it's full potential. You might say just for the better stock tracking but that's hardly THAT much of a difference. Just lower your sens and it'll feel the same as 400 or whatever. It is very very easy to get used to 1600 or more dpi, hell I'd expect at least that much from people at a starcraft forum. The only times you should use around 400 dpi is if you're an artist or something and you need very specific detail. Edit: Also it's important to use the highest hertz of your mouse as well. Most usb ports limit this. Refer to this extremely helpful thread, works for most newer mice: http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=41584 | ||
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Knickknack
United States1187 Posts
1800dpi 3 in razer sens, 6(standard) in win pointer speed 0 accel rough side of func1030 | ||
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XCetron
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1600 DPI, max speed in control panel. | ||
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infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
On May 16 2007 18:48 Ack1027 wrote: You should always put your mouse at highest dpi. I don't get people that say you can't control it. That's ridiculous. Why did you bother buying the mouse anyway if you aren't even gonna use it's full potential. You might say just for the better stock tracking but that's hardly THAT much of a difference. Just lower your sens and it'll feel the same as 400 or whatever. It is very very easy to get used to 1600 or more dpi, hell I'd expect at least that much from people at a starcraft forum. The only times you should use around 400 dpi is if you're an artist or something and you need very specific detail. Edit: Also it's important to use the highest hertz of your mouse as well. Most usb ports limit this. Refer to this extremely helpful thread, works for most newer mice: http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=41584 I bought my Razer because it's a good brand. Its design is superior to most (if not all) mouse manufacturers. I've experimented with all sorts of different speeds from max (1600) to about 400. Interestingly enough, I found that I play better on 400 than I do on 1600. But I ended up settling at around 800. You don't buy mice just for the DPI. You buy it for the ergonomics, the quality, the feel. btw my mouse is set to 1000 Hz ~_~ | ||
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Kacas
Brazil3143 Posts
speed 9! Razer Copperhead | ||
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LazySCV
United States2942 Posts
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Haemonculus
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JimBobRay
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gameguard
Korea (South)2131 Posts
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jimminy_kriket
Canada5489 Posts
1600 in windows, 1200 dpi in sc with windows mouse acceleration at 6 which is supposed to be 1:1 aka it doesnt skip pixels in order to move the cursor faster. XCetron I have the x750, can you overclock your usb polling rate with your mouse? | ||
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Haemonculus
United States6980 Posts
On May 16 2007 20:06 gameguard wrote: I think someone has to ask this. How the hell do you change DPI? I don't think you can... DPI measures the accuracy of the mouse's physical hardware. Like, how small of a change in distance can it measure? | ||
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JimBobRay
128 Posts
On May 16 2007 20:09 jimminy_kriket wrote: 1600 in windows, 1200 dpi in sc with windows mouse acceleration at 6 which is supposed to be 1:1 aka it doesnt skip pixels in order to move the cursor faster. I may be misunderstanding you, but why is the dpi for 1:1 mouse movement vs pixel coverage different in SC from in windows? I imagine it is the resolution, but sc runs at 640x480, and I imagine most people run windows at 1024x768 or higher; 640/1024 = .625, while 1200/1600 (dpi) =.75. These are different ratios. | ||
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Zanno
United States1484 Posts
On May 16 2007 17:51 TheosEx wrote: there are more factors than just dpi involved there, but i imagine it can't hurtI was under the impression that DPI increases the accuracy of your mouse movements as well as the reaction time. For example, if you try to quickly select a group of units in BW with a cheap mouse, your "box selection" will start off a bit late. And oh, since people mentioned it... back when I play Counter-strike, I measured my sensitivity based on how many 360's I could do too. On 1024x768 resolution, my CS sensitivity was 18.5, and full Windows sensitivity. That's about 6x 360s per mousepad slide. unless you have a mousepad the size of a pillow, that's way too freaking high. "average" sens at even the most basic of competitive fps levels is considered about 30 cm/1 foot per 360, slow paced games like cs are frequently lower, fast paced games like quake/ut are occasionally higher. it's all a matter of playstyle and preference, but i have no idea how you can accurately headshot with such a ridiculous sens (maybe you're bad at cs?) | ||
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gameguard
Korea (South)2131 Posts
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TheosEx
United States894 Posts
On May 16 2007 20:36 Zanno wrote: there are more factors than just dpi involved there, but i imagine it can't hurt unless you have a mousepad the size of a pillow, that's way too freaking high. "average" sens at even the most basic of competitive fps levels is considered about 30 cm/1 foot per 360, slow paced games like cs are frequently lower, fast paced games like quake/ut are occasionally higher. it's all a matter of playstyle and preference, but i have no idea how you can accurately headshot with such a ridiculous sens (maybe you're bad at cs?) That's not a ridiculous sensitivity. It's been a long time since I've played, but back when I played, that just a little bit higher than the average sensitivity for MOST good CS Snipers (from general consensus of other friends who played and asking online). I bet that since then, gameplay has changed dramatically in CS. At the time, it fit gameplay perfect. Most people didn't have a clue on how to take out a well-positioned experienced sniper using different types of "tricks." CS now had shields, different flash grenade effects, etc. that have probably changed the game quite a bit. At that time, a good sniper was a sniper who can keep watch of two or more locations at the same time. On some maps even, it was particularly easy to get "shanked" (or knifed) because of the relative close proximity of bases. Therefore, it was necessary to have high sensitivity to be able to constantly monitor all 360 degrees. Games were so much more fast paced back then too. I noticed that when I left, clan matches started to get really slow (i.e. terrorist teams literally crawling to the bomb location on de_ maps). People also started to get really good with AKs and M4s to the point where a sniper could get sniped himself with one. I don't know if I can really explain all of this that well, but I kid you not... that's what my sensitivity was. | ||
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ocoini
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CowGoMoo
United States428 Posts
On May 16 2007 17:48 JimBobRay wrote: I have mine cranked up to max on a 800 dpi mouse and although I can move fast across the screen (3-4 cm, I estimate, maybe less) my accuracy is low - I have a hard time selecting peons in the beginning, misclicking and hitting 2 at once. (I am not sure how that even happens sometimes...) you select 2 peons when you dont release the mouse button quick enough, it creates a drag box even if you cant see it. Try tapping the button and releasing it as quickly as you can. You will know you are doing it right when you can move the mouse across the screen while clicking and not create any drag boxes, or at least very few small ones. I use an 800 DPI logitech, max windows sensativity and 9 logitech, no accel. | ||
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FirstBorn
Romania3955 Posts
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Equinox_kr
United States7395 Posts
On May 16 2007 18:57 infinity21 wrote: I bought my Razer because it's a good brand. Its design is superior to most (if not all) mouse manufacturers. :O Logitech is a good company  | ||
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
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Ack1027
United States7873 Posts
On May 16 2007 18:57 infinity21 wrote: I bought my Razer because it's a good brand. Its design is superior to most (if not all) mouse manufacturers. I've experimented with all sorts of different speeds from max (1600) to about 400. Interestingly enough, I found that I play better on 400 than I do on 1600. But I ended up settling at around 800. You don't buy mice just for the DPI. You buy it for the ergonomics, the quality, the feel. btw my mouse is set to 1000 Hz ~_~ This topic is about mouse DPI. No where did I mention that you only buy a mouse for the dpi. I simply said if you happen to have a mouse with adjustable dpi you should always use it at highest. Your reply is a fail. | ||
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Zanno
United States1484 Posts
[QUOTE]On May 16 2007 20:36 Zanno wrote: [QUOTE]On May 16 2007 17:51 TheosEx wrote: Therefore, it was necessary to have high sensitivity to be able to constantly monitor all 360 degrees. Games were so much more fast paced back then too. I noticed that when I left, clan matches started to get really slow (i.e. terrorist teams literally crawling to the bomb location on de_ maps). People also started to get really good with AKs and M4s to the point where a sniper could get sniped himself with one. I don't know if I can really explain all of this that well, but I kid you not... that's what my sensitivity was.[/QUOTE]sounds like pub nub matches to me, anyone in cal will tell you otherwise i'm not trying to be a dick, but using a sens that hight is the starcraft equvalient trying to play never using a single hotkey. you might be able to win here or there, but you'll never hit your full potential. if you need to rotate quickly you sweep your arm really fast. i'd go find a video of professional cs players (they sweep their mouse in a huge line if they need to do a quick 180) but i'm stuck on dialup till saturday. the low sens is necessary because a matter of 1 or 2 pixels can make the difference between a hit or a miss. | ||
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
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CubEdIn
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davidgurt
United States1355 Posts
![[image loading]](http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0Je5qhmjUxG3E8ADQ.jzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTBsdXZjN21qBHNlYwNwcm9mBHZ0aWQDSTA2OV85MQ--/SIG=13ad96as0/EXP=1179508454/**http%3A//www.hardwareecke.de/testberichte/eingabegeraete/images/razor_copperhead_red.jpg) Mouse I want to buy: Logitech MX Revolution ![[image loading]](http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0Je5qiujUxG3E8ASyKjzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTBsdXZjN21qBHNlYwNwcm9mBHZ0aWQDSTA2OV85MQ--/SIG=122o21avq/EXP=1179508526/**http%3A//pics.computerbase.de/1/5/3/2/3/10_m.jpg) I bought my new Copperhead for only $35. I think they're still at about $60 normally. I usually play with finger mouses, but I keep thinking that maybe palm mouses are the way to go for me. However, I've tried out the G5 and didn't like it that much. $30 G5 for those of you interested: http://spoofee.com/forums/showthread.php?p=297359 | ||
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Kacas
Brazil3143 Posts
looks like you're playing with a toy car... razer > logitech ;P | ||
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infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
On May 17 2007 09:08 Ack1027 wrote: This topic is about mouse DPI. No where did I mention that you only buy a mouse for the dpi. I simply said if you happen to have a mouse with adjustable dpi you should always use it at highest. Your reply is a fail. On May 16 2007 18:48 Ack1027 wrote: Why did you bother buying the mouse anyway if you aren't even gonna use it's full potential. I wasn't aware that a mouse's full potential only included its DPI. -__- This is a response to that particular statement. On May 16 2007 18:57 infinity21 wrote: You don't buy mice just for the DPI. You buy it for the ergonomics, the quality, the feel. | ||
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JimBobRay
128 Posts
Thanks to some of the great and informative responses so far. | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
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TheosEx
United States894 Posts
[QUOTE]On May 17 2007 00:04 TheosEx wrote: [QUOTE]On May 16 2007 20:36 Zanno wrote: [QUOTE]On May 16 2007 17:51 TheosEx wrote: Therefore, it was necessary to have high sensitivity to be able to constantly monitor all 360 degrees. Games were so much more fast paced back then too. I noticed that when I left, clan matches started to get really slow (i.e. terrorist teams literally crawling to the bomb location on de_ maps). People also started to get really good with AKs and M4s to the point where a sniper could get sniped himself with one. I don't know if I can really explain all of this that well, but I kid you not... that's what my sensitivity was.[/QUOTE]sounds like pub nub matches to me, anyone in cal will tell you otherwise i'm not trying to be a dick, but using a sens that hight is the starcraft equvalient trying to play never using a single hotkey. you might be able to win here or there, but you'll never hit your full potential. if you need to rotate quickly you sweep your arm really fast. i'd go find a video of professional cs players (they sweep their mouse in a huge line if they need to do a quick 180) but i'm stuck on dialup till saturday. the low sens is necessary because a matter of 1 or 2 pixels can make the difference between a hit or a miss.[/QUOTE] Like I said, the times has changed. Trust me, I know how to play CS. Yes, I made references to public matches, but who the hell plays CS purely for private clan matches. You will get either extremely bored or will never get that good to begin with. I don't know how long you've been playing CS, but there's been a ton of changes, since the first version, to 1.5, to Condition Zero, to Source. Back when I played in 1.3, when you could still get snipe hits while jumping... it was a totally different game. Anyways, there's alot more to CS than just mouse accuracy, DPI, sensitivity, and even resolution/pixels. You have to be good at interpreting sounds, have a good understanding of strategy, geometry, have fast fingers, and extremely good coordination. | ||
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GranDim
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Ack1027
United States7873 Posts
On May 17 2007 12:24 infinity21 wrote: I wasn't aware that a mouse's full potential only included its DPI. -__- This is a response to that particular statement. I'm guessing English isn't your first language? On May 16 2007 18:48 Ack1027 wrote: Why did you bother buying the mouse anyway if you aren't even gonna use it's full potential. Refers to it's dpi potential in context. Besides, other than very recently for the weight, could you CHANGE the shape , quality, and feel of a mouse? | ||
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davidgurt
United States1355 Posts
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Zanno
United States1484 Posts
On May 17 2007 14:54 davidgurt wrote: all the quality sensors just happen to be high dpi though, cheap mice tend to have other problems with skipping, negative acceleration (when you move a mouse so fast it can't keep up and caps off the speed) and generally unreliable trackingOh, another comment. If you're playing Starcraft, you really don't need more than 800 DPI. It's different for other games. negative accel is hugely prevalent virtually all mice that ship with a new pc, when i visit my parents for the weekend i can't play sc with my their mouse at all, i try to whip my mouse around a bunch in a battle requiring heavy heavy micro and i end up only halfway there or sometimes in a totally different direction. my diamondback doesn't have these sort of problems, it goes where i tell it to | ||
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funkie
Venezuela9374 Posts
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Shiva_Chandra
Denmark341 Posts
I'm fast, inaccurate and have mediocre apm! | ||
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infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
On May 17 2007 14:49 Ack1027 wrote: Refers to it's dpi potential in context. Besides, other than very recently for the weight, could you CHANGE the shape , quality, and feel of a mouse? No, english is not my first language but I don't know how that has to do with anything since I spent 8 years in Canada. I'm pretty sure you don't know what I'm saying so I'll explain further. The original poster (or anyone else, for that matter) could be buying mice not based on DPI but based on all those things I described. They can't CHANGE the shape, quality, and the feel of a mouse but they can BUY the mouse that they like best. I'm responding to the buying part of your statement, not the potential part. In other words, you ask why people bother to buy a mouse if they're not using it to their full potential. I say people buy it because of shape, quality, and feel. Yes, we're discussing this in a DPI thread but I don't see why I am forbidden to talk about a closely related subject. Anyways, at least in SC, DPI makes very little or no difference past 800. It's just the quality of the sensor that makes the difference. Many people can play at the pro level with 800 DPI. So I don't see why you think that you must play with 2000 if you have a 2000 DPI mouse. People can just buy it because they like the ergonomics and use it at 800 DPI. What's wrong with that? edit: w/e this is pointless.. let's drop it, ok? | ||
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davidgurt
United States1355 Posts
On May 17 2007 15:23 Zanno wrote: all the quality sensors just happen to be high dpi though, cheap mice tend to have other problems with skipping, negative acceleration (when you move a mouse so fast it can't keep up and caps off the speed) and generally unreliable tracking negative accel is hugely prevalent virtually all mice that ship with a new pc, when i visit my parents for the weekend i can't play sc with my their mouse at all, i try to whip my mouse around a bunch in a battle requiring heavy heavy micro and i end up only halfway there or sometimes in a totally different direction. my diamondback doesn't have these sort of problems, it goes where i tell it to That's true, but I was talking strictly about using high DPI as opposed to low DPI on the same mouse. | ||
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Ack1027
United States7873 Posts
On May 17 2007 17:12 infinity21 wrote: No, english is not my first language but I don't know how that has to do with anything since I spent 8 years in Canada. I'm pretty sure you don't know what I'm saying so I'll explain further. The original poster (or anyone else, for that matter) could be buying mice not based on DPI but based on all those things I described. They can't CHANGE the shape, quality, and the feel of a mouse but they can BUY the mouse that they like best. I'm responding to the buying part of your statement, not the potential part. In other words, you ask why people bother to buy a mouse if they're not using it to their full potential. I say people buy it because of shape, quality, and feel. Yes, we're discussing this in a DPI thread but I don't see why I am forbidden to talk about a closely related subject. Anyways, at least in SC, DPI makes very little or no difference past 800. It's just the quality of the sensor that makes the difference. Many people can play at the pro level with 800 DPI. So I don't see why you think that you must play with 2000 if you have a 2000 DPI mouse. People can just buy it because they like the ergonomics and use it at 800 DPI. What's wrong with that? edit: w/e this is pointless.. let's drop it, ok? Actually it's not pointless. An analogy would look something like this: Someone buys a computer because they like the features, specs etc... However, they refuse to use anti-virus software that comes with the computer, or they decide to use a limited amount of the anti-virus. Not using your full dpi on your mouse and adjusting the sens as such that it feels like lower dpi is essentially the same as not using or using limited amounts of the anti-virus software. Sure you can never install software and technically still use your computer but if there is something better out there why would you not want to use it? I agree on your point about sc, and yes because it is an old game 800 dpi is really all you'll ever need for it. The reason I think you should use 2000 if you have a 2000 dpi mouse is because you can have the exact same mouse movement and speed with better precision and tracking as opposed to a lower dpi. For example: 3.0 sens at 800 dpi is about the same as 1.5 sens 1600 dpi. If it feels the same, looks the same, and takes very little time getting used to, why would you not prefer to use the 1.5 sens at 1600 dpi? This was my main question in my first post. Basically I'm confused why anyone would use the 3.0 at 800 even after knowing this information. | ||
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Zanno
United States1484 Posts
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JimBobRay
128 Posts
Anyways, at least in SC, DPI makes very little or no difference past 800. It's just the quality of the sensor that makes the difference. I thought DPI and sensor quality were linked, in that higher sensor quality means higher dpi? What is the difference? Can someone explain this for me? Edit - actually, I think Ack answered it. I didn't think that was correct. | ||
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JimBobRay
128 Posts
*Max your DPI setting *set your sensitivity setting relatively low - at least for starcraft, this provides more accuracy, but makes the mouse slower (or is it another trade off?) *no acceleration If anyone disagrees, feel free to and provide a reason. Topics that seem to not have been addressed much: *So what about built in speed settings for logitiech and razer mice? Any suggestions? *Also, many people have touched upon this already, but not many reasons were offered. What mouse settings do you use in windows? default or lower/higher? Thanks for those who have posted helpful comments so far. | ||
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rpf
United States2705 Posts
On May 16 2007 15:06 ilovezil wrote: It doesn't work like that. Keep your windows setting at 6/11 or you lose accuracy.I set the window's built-in mouse feature to fastest in order to supplement the 1600 DPI feature my mouse is capable of. I'm curious what 2000 would be like, though. | ||
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davidgurt
United States1355 Posts
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Zanno
United States1484 Posts
On May 17 2007 22:41 davidgurt wrote: it's the other way aroundI didn't know the sensor is better if you use 2000 DPI. optical 2000 dpi sensors are higher quality laser mice are horrible, never buy one | ||
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JimBobRay
128 Posts
On May 17 2007 22:56 Zanno wrote: laser mice are horrible, never buy one Why? They are supposed to be more precise than optical mice. | ||
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
And, unlike my ex-optical-mice, it works on most surfaces, belive it or not. I use a SteelPad 5L as the surface, but it works on wood, cloth, anything, just fine. Why is it horrible? Do you have any actual arguments on that? *So what about built in speed settings for logitiech and razer mice? Any suggestions? What do you mean by that? The g5 and the g3 have an on-the-fly sensitivity button. Which means that you can change the DPI from 2000 to 800 to 400 in-game or whatever. I don't use it, but it can be configured to any 5 values (like 2000-1600-1200-1000-800) that you can toggle between. This doesn't help me much, but I guess it would help with sniping in CS or something like that. If you mean the USB speed. Mine is set at 500Hz. I heard you could change that to 1000 but I read somewhere that 500 is what the g5 was designed for, so I won't bother. *Also, many people have touched upon this already, but not many reasons were offered. What mouse settings do you use in windows? default or lower/higher? Well with my mouse, the Logitech software and the Windows Mouse pannel are linked. So if I change one, the other will change too. I use it at about 60% (or 6/10), a little above the default value. With no acceleration. | ||
GTR
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CubEdIn
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JimBobRay
128 Posts
Some mice have speed settings apart from sensitivity settings, including some logitech mice, or at least I am under that impression. I wasn't referring to DPI settings. Thanks for the responses. | ||
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
The USB connection speed is also shown on boxes, so you see things like ULTRA FAST 1000Hz USB SPEED for lighting fast response. So the only speed settings apart from sensitivity settings is the DPI setting. And yes, some logitech mice have specialised buttons, as I described earlier. Reducing dpi from 1600 to 800 for example, is like changing your sensitivity to half of what it actually is. | ||
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n.SK)NiGhTY
Germany94 Posts
On May 16 2007 18:45 Equinox_kr wrote: 2000 DPI on my Logitech G5 :O Works well same here | ||
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JimBobRay
128 Posts
On May 18 2007 03:59 CubEdIn wrote: Well as far as I know, some razers have adjustable sensitivity both from the razer software AND the windows pannel. Logitech setpoint is directly related to windows sensitivity, so it does not. But other than that, and DPI, I don't have any idea about other speed settings. The USB connection speed is also shown on boxes, so you see things like ULTRA FAST 1000Hz USB SPEED for lighting fast response. So the only speed settings apart from sensitivity settings is the DPI setting. And yes, some logitech mice have specialised buttons, as I described earlier. Reducing dpi from 1600 to 800 for example, is like changing your sensitivity to half of what it actually is. Thanks. I just looked up the razer mouse software and it seems I was mistaking the speed setting as distinct - It uses windows' pointer speed as well. | ||
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rpf
United States2705 Posts
That's the end of this thread. Seriously, so many of you guys are spouting such bullshit it'd take me days just to go through and disprove everyone. So there. Sign up, read the thread, understand how things work. There are more things to consider than just Windows sensitivity and your mouse's DPI. | ||
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Freezard
Sweden1010 Posts
On May 16 2007 15:20 Zanno wrote: i use a razer diamondback at 1600 dpi with no drivers and the windows speed slider set at three notches (default is 6) in 1280x1024 it takes me about 10 cm to move across the screen. in fps games people talk about cm/360 which is the length you need to move the mouse to rotate 360 degrees, i often wonder what pros use for cm/screen. any wanna grab a ruler and measure? sens is often heavily dependent on mouse make and how the cpu feels like interpeting things, two identical sens on will rarely be the same unless the two comps are the same model I use 1600 DPI with 20CM / 360. MX518. | ||
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