EPTYou guys can play whatever you want but I don't know what it has to do with the SC:R closed beta. Isn't there an active thread for arguing about SC2 around here already
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CobaltBlu
United States919 Posts
You guys can play whatever you want but I don't know what it has to do with the SC:R closed beta. Isn't there an active thread for arguing about SC2 around here already | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On August 03 2017 22:33 Letmelose wrote: Well we can't be correct about everything. I did think he had some interesting points (albeit with some misinformation) which is why I wanted to bounce some ideas around. Starcraft is a very taxing game, but rather than looking from a quantitative point of view, other games might have differing orders of importance. I don't know whether Brood War or Starcraft 2 is more demanding from a sheer micro-management perspective, but it could be the case that excellence in micro-management could be rewarded more heavily in the latter. Maybe he had a point about the reasons for Flash not being able to sustaining his level of domination in Starcraft 2, although it cannot be denied that his thoughts on Brood War was riddled with inaccuracies. Since professional Brood War and professional Starcraft 2 has a decent overlap of players, trying to come up with an order of importance in various skill-sets may be an interesting way of finding out which player was good at what. If it of some interest to someone, you could do the reverse, and use successful players from each game to figure out which skill-sets were rewarded the most highly. It's not that I trusted his opinion on Brood War, but more that I wanted to know what some of his thoughts on Starcraft 2, but he got tilted off the face of the earth after being called out on his ignorance. ya, I see your point. From playing a decent amount of SCII, I think SCII's micro is more positional, target firing, splitting and kiting. Positional because of the forcefield aspect (and other similar cases) and in TvT, you'll keep jousting then the first opponent to get that siege and position usually wins the engagement (back when it was MMT mostly). Splitting and kiting was more for avoiding banes and trying to reduce AOE damage. Might be other types of micro but these were the most relevant when I played back in WoL/bits of HoTS. | ||
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outscar
2832 Posts
Sure play, at least touch it before writing comments. | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
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infinity2k17
22 Posts
As for skill-sets being different, since SC2 kept changing that must be a huge factor compared to simply refining your core macro and micro skills. So a player who is going to keep adapting will be better; Flash came back to BW and was just as good. | ||
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CHEONSOYUN
578 Posts
they're not entitled to a safe space to their beloved game why act like they're being personally attacked? | ||
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aQuaSC
717 Posts
On August 03 2017 23:21 CHEONSOYUN wrote: why are sc2 people coming in and picking fights and making themselves upset. they're not entitled to a safe space to their beloved game why act like they're being personally attacked? BW forums on TL: A) I think SC2 is stupid [insert arguments here] B) I don't think SC2 is stupid [insert argumens here] A) You're an idiot C) Why come to BW forums if you don't think SC2 is stupid?? My last post here, sorry for the mess mods | ||
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CHEONSOYUN
578 Posts
On August 03 2017 23:27 aQuaSC wrote: BW forums on TL: A) I think SC2 is stupid [insert arguments here] B) I don't think SC2 is stupid [insert argumens here] A) You're an idiot C) Why come to BW forums if you don't think SC2 is stupid?? My last post here, sorry for the mess mods why are you getting upset so quickly!!!!!!!!!!!! it's okay i love you just stop putting yourself in a difficult enviornment!!!! | ||
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outscar
2832 Posts
SC2 newcomer) I think SC2 > BW BW player) I don't think SC2 > BW SC2 newcomer) You're an idiot. SC2 newcomer has left the forum. | ||
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Lorch
Germany3692 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On August 03 2017 23:56 Lorch wrote: Jesus fucking Christ. BW is back for fucks sake. Am I the only one who remembers Tving OSL 2012? The sadness in the eyes of casters, players, journalists and fans alike? You can blame blizz/sc2 or whatever you want for that. Who cares? It is back now and it refused to die when the times were darkest. We are on the brink of the beginning of the 3rd chapter of bw. The one where it rises from the ashes like a phoenix. And instead of being happy you guys can't stop arguing what has been argued for 7 years now? Let SC2 be SC2, let CS be CS, let LoL be LoL etc. BW is BW and it's fucking back! I would hope that to be the case, but what worries me personally is that for ti to be truly back you need new blood. So far the pc bang stats don't really show that new blood is streaming in, in fact there is no real difference between now with SC:R and before (which seems weird?) For reference: http://gametrics.com/ | ||
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Chef
10810 Posts
On August 03 2017 20:52 Letmelose wrote: I think he had a fair point about Flash though, Flash is indeed a fearsome mechanical player, but his forte was never otherworldly micro-management. I first noticed it when his bionic micro-management wasn't as jaw-dropping as someone like BoxeR, or Casy during their primes, despite making his debut being initially dubbed as the "Bionic Genius". But Jaedong said Flash's marine micro is beyond your imagination... BEYOND YOUR IMAGINATION!! I think Flash was always praised for his control of large armies. Terrans used to complain they try to copy Flash's builds but only he can get away with them, which is another testament to his precision. I am hard put to think of players better than Flash at micro, to be honest. You might be a little nostalgic for marine vs lurker micro in low econ games. Because Flash definitely gets a lot more mileage from his units than any other player I can think of. | ||
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EndingLife
United States1600 Posts
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TT1
Canada10035 Posts
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fish_radio
182 Posts
On August 03 2017 23:58 The_Red_Viper wrote: I would hope that to be the case, but what worries me personally is that for ti to be truly back you need new blood. So far the pc bang stats don't really show that new blood is streaming in, in fact there is no real difference between now with SC:R and before (which seems weird?) For reference: http://gametrics.com/ gametrics is unreliable. many believe they are fake to give a fake popularity of games. gametrics measure only put on certain rows dedicated leagueoflegend/overwatch/fifa riot believed to pay to put starcraft lower =.= trust something else. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On August 04 2017 00:38 fish_radio wrote: gametrics is unreliable. many believe they are fake to give a fake popularity of games. gametrics measure only put on certain rows dedicated leagueoflegend/overwatch/fifa riot believed to pay to put starcraft lower =.= trust something else. I mean what should i rather trust then? :D That's a fairly big accusation tbh, right now it's the best i have. | ||
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ReTr0[p.S]
Argentina1590 Posts
Also, somebody mentioned on Bisu's stream thread that big battles are causing some delay/lag in HD, can anybody confirm? Yesterday the whisper command wasn't working for me, anyone with that issue? | ||
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Ancestral
United States3230 Posts
On August 03 2017 22:47 aQuaSC wrote: I thought we were talking about real in-game scenarios, this 'nice surround' and '1 action a-click' can be very inefficient no matter how beautiful it may seem to you. Are we now quantifying amount of actions needed to do actions, more clicks = better game? Have you ever seen a regular player in SC2 making attacks by clicking a-move once with his army? All these comments on how easy control in SC2 is are just continuous attempts to make the game look overly simple while suggesting that Brood War is better simply because you have to click more. You can laugh at me all you want, it doesn't bother me. I promise. You could also hold those comments about me supposedly being an idiot for yourself. Or is it how old-school Brood War elite talks? Because I've seen this attitude towards me here repeatedly, along with ^^ and  Micro in SCII is not "easy." But you're attacking a strawman - no you don't control every unit individually, in either game, in massive battles. But you sure as hell better have your tanks and vultures in different groups, for example, and have them in different positions filling different roles. That's micro. You don't need to control every single unit individually for it to be micro. You MUST micro your army in BW or you will lose. And then in the early game, the micro is obvious, since it's just a few units vs. a few units for harassment for example. | ||
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TT1
Canada10035 Posts
On August 04 2017 00:44 ReTr0[p.S] wrote: It's safe to assume that when the beta is done, both ladder and MMR will reset, right? Also, somebody mentioned on Bisu's stream thread that big battles are causing some delay/lag in HD, can anybody confirm? Yesterday the whisper command wasn't working for me, anyone with that issue? yea screen starts freezing | ||
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ReTr0[p.S]
Argentina1590 Posts
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