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On July 06 2017 18:32 thePunGun wrote:This thread is formal fallacy in a nutshell... The total lack of deductive reasoning gets more hilarious by the day... It's the munera for the populus Team Liquidus, so let's build a Coliseum and fight to the death! "Ave Caesar, morituri te salutant!" (finally those greek/roman history classes paid off) 
Oh please do us a favour and present your position in a formal argument. 
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All you guys gotta pay is $15. If you can't afford that then you probably shouldn't be playing it anyway.
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On July 06 2017 21:55 B-royal wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2017 18:32 thePunGun wrote:This thread is formal fallacy in a nutshell... The total lack of deductive reasoning gets more hilarious by the day... It's the munera for the populus Team Liquidus, so let's build a Coliseum and fight to the death! "Ave Caesar, morituri te salutant!" (finally those greek/roman history classes paid off) Oh please do us a favour and present your position in a formal argument.
My position is: I'm too old for this nonsense. 
People assume they're entitled to their own opinion, which is completely irrelevant.... Because reality gives zero fucks about opinions.
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On July 06 2017 23:14 thePunGun wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2017 21:55 B-royal wrote:On July 06 2017 18:32 thePunGun wrote:This thread is formal fallacy in a nutshell... The total lack of deductive reasoning gets more hilarious by the day... It's the munera for the populus Team Liquidus, so let's build a Coliseum and fight to the death! "Ave Caesar, morituri te salutant!" (finally those greek/roman history classes paid off) Oh please do us a favour and present your position in a formal argument. My position is: I'm too old for this nonsense. People assume they're entitled to their own opinion, which is completely irrelevant.... Because reality gives zero fucks about opinions.
You're still kinda just saying nothing lol
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On July 06 2017 22:27 Alpha-NP- wrote:
All you guys gotta pay is $15. If you can't afford that then you probably shouldn't be playing it anyway.
This has been beaten to death in this thread, both your position and the position that this isn't about the $15.
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On July 06 2017 23:14 thePunGun wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2017 21:55 B-royal wrote:On July 06 2017 18:32 thePunGun wrote:This thread is formal fallacy in a nutshell... The total lack of deductive reasoning gets more hilarious by the day... It's the munera for the populus Team Liquidus, so let's build a Coliseum and fight to the death! "Ave Caesar, morituri te salutant!" (finally those greek/roman history classes paid off) Oh please do us a favour and present your position in a formal argument. My position is: I'm too old for this nonsense. People assume they're entitled to their own opinion, which is completely irrelevant.... Because reality gives zero fucks about opinions.
Summary:
"You're all idiots."
"Why?"
"I'm too old to deal with this."
Lol? Thanks for contributing.
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Well, this thread feels a little bit like Monty Python's Argument Clinic. It's not about reaching a conclusion... People come here for the argument and the occasional abuse.
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On July 06 2017 23:32 thePunGun wrote:Well, this thread feels a little bit like Monty Python's Argument Clinic. It's not about reaching a conclusion... People come here for the argument and the occasional abuse.
Ok. Where is the formal fallacy? Where are the inconsistencies in logic? Are they universal, and therefore everyone is wrong, or is it only a select few people defending one viewpoint?
Do you even have a viewpoint on the matter?
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On July 06 2017 23:23 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2017 23:14 thePunGun wrote:On July 06 2017 21:55 B-royal wrote:On July 06 2017 18:32 thePunGun wrote:This thread is formal fallacy in a nutshell... The total lack of deductive reasoning gets more hilarious by the day... It's the munera for the populus Team Liquidus, so let's build a Coliseum and fight to the death! "Ave Caesar, morituri te salutant!" (finally those greek/roman history classes paid off) Oh please do us a favour and present your position in a formal argument. My position is: I'm too old for this nonsense. People assume they're entitled to their own opinion, which is completely irrelevant.... Because reality gives zero fucks about opinions. Summary: "You're all idiots." "Why?" "I'm too old to deal with this." Lol? Thanks for contributing.
Internet in a nutshell isn't it... Much easier to declare yourself superior when all you do is post that everyone is wrong and then pretend the entire discussion is beneath you, to avoid having to declare or defend any position or contribute in any way. It's also something that happens a lot when someone is accused of something but they know it is impossible to refute. I guess thePunGun must be on the fast track to becoming a politician.
One thing I always would have liked to see more is a debate sub-forum wherein posts that don't contribute substantially to the topic at hand earn you a ban... there used to be a few forums I perused long ago that had something like that and I never understood why that wasn't more common.
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On July 06 2017 21:20 Miragee wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2017 12:33 Jealous wrote:On July 06 2017 11:31 Ancestral wrote:On July 05 2017 12:19 Jealous wrote:On July 05 2017 11:50 blade55555 wrote:
If you think Blizzard made SCR for the money, well I hate to tell you this, but they didn't. It Blizzard was truly only doing this for money, this game would never have been remade. Seriously, I guarantee that SCR is going to be very very very low on their money making list. I bet you Hearthstone/Overwatch/etc will make more this year for Blizzard then SCR.
I mean Blizzard could make a Diablo 4, Warcraft 4, WoW 2 and those would be far far more profitable then SCR will ever be. Anyone who thinks that Blizzard is making SCR just for the money isn't thinking clearly. There are far better ways to make a lot more money then remaking Broodwar in HD. By not giving consent to Afreeca and forcing them to wait for SC:R release, forcing them to play 1.18 even when progamers were complaining about it, it is evident they are trying to push their profit lines and not their product, so to speak. This is very much a way for them to reclaim control of their game and most importantly, the profitability of said game. :/ I didn't realize the case. I'm sure many remember clearly how Blizzard mustered a lot of manpower to try and destroy competitive BW in Korea to make way for their shiny new product. They did everything short of deploying brownshirts to smash every CD, computer, and server with the binary install files. After basically going to war with KeSPA, I guess maybe they are just back to their old tactics of trying to have complete control over the entire scene like they did with SCII, which ironically made it a non-starter in Korea, because BW was made great as a competitive game mostly through the work of the community. I was conceptualizing it as mostly out of recognition for their own history that they decided to do Remastered, but you're right; the timing makes it look like they realized BW was going to succeed in Korea no matter how hard they opposed it, so they just decided that they might as well have control over it if it does. I guess maybe 100 years from now or whenever BW is in the public domain, it can finally flourish unfettered. Fresh from the press. Thought you might find it relevant. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/522899-asl-team-battle-season-2?page=7#140Say it ain't so. EDIT: Just want to clarify that in my earlier post, all I stipulated was that Blizzard had not (yet?) given consent to Afreeca to run ATB. Now they have flat-out rejected it, according to K.J.H., who in my eyes has been a reliable source for Korean scene information as of late. Oh god, not again. Fuck Blizzard seriously. If they are going to destroy the BW scene a second time I hope from the bottom of my heart that they will go bankrupt as soon as possible.
LOL, i second this.
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On July 06 2017 21:20 Miragee wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2017 12:33 Jealous wrote:On July 06 2017 11:31 Ancestral wrote:On July 05 2017 12:19 Jealous wrote:On July 05 2017 11:50 blade55555 wrote:
If you think Blizzard made SCR for the money, well I hate to tell you this, but they didn't. It Blizzard was truly only doing this for money, this game would never have been remade. Seriously, I guarantee that SCR is going to be very very very low on their money making list. I bet you Hearthstone/Overwatch/etc will make more this year for Blizzard then SCR.
I mean Blizzard could make a Diablo 4, Warcraft 4, WoW 2 and those would be far far more profitable then SCR will ever be. Anyone who thinks that Blizzard is making SCR just for the money isn't thinking clearly. There are far better ways to make a lot more money then remaking Broodwar in HD. By not giving consent to Afreeca and forcing them to wait for SC:R release, forcing them to play 1.18 even when progamers were complaining about it, it is evident they are trying to push their profit lines and not their product, so to speak. This is very much a way for them to reclaim control of their game and most importantly, the profitability of said game. :/ I didn't realize the case. I'm sure many remember clearly how Blizzard mustered a lot of manpower to try and destroy competitive BW in Korea to make way for their shiny new product. They did everything short of deploying brownshirts to smash every CD, computer, and server with the binary install files. After basically going to war with KeSPA, I guess maybe they are just back to their old tactics of trying to have complete control over the entire scene like they did with SCII, which ironically made it a non-starter in Korea, because BW was made great as a competitive game mostly through the work of the community. I was conceptualizing it as mostly out of recognition for their own history that they decided to do Remastered, but you're right; the timing makes it look like they realized BW was going to succeed in Korea no matter how hard they opposed it, so they just decided that they might as well have control over it if it does. I guess maybe 100 years from now or whenever BW is in the public domain, it can finally flourish unfettered. Fresh from the press. Thought you might find it relevant. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/522899-asl-team-battle-season-2?page=7#140Say it ain't so. EDIT: Just want to clarify that in my earlier post, all I stipulated was that Blizzard had not (yet?) given consent to Afreeca to run ATB. Now they have flat-out rejected it, according to K.J.H., who in my eyes has been a reliable source for Korean scene information as of late. Oh god, not again. Fuck Blizzard seriously. If they are going to destroy the BW scene a second time I hope from the bottom of my heart that they will go bankrupt as soon as possible.
Activision Blizzard is a 40+ billion dollar company that is in the midst of a huge upsurge in terms of revenue and profitability and future outlook, so you might have to wait for a while for that.
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On July 06 2017 23:32 thePunGun wrote:Well, this thread feels a little bit like Monty Python's Argument Clinic. It's not about reaching a conclusion... People come here for the argument and the occasional abuse.
If you're not contributing to the discussion I suggest you stop posting.
If you don't find value to any discussion in this thread then I suggest you stop posting.
On July 06 2017 21:20 Miragee wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2017 12:33 Jealous wrote:On July 06 2017 11:31 Ancestral wrote:On July 05 2017 12:19 Jealous wrote:On July 05 2017 11:50 blade55555 wrote:
If you think Blizzard made SCR for the money, well I hate to tell you this, but they didn't. It Blizzard was truly only doing this for money, this game would never have been remade. Seriously, I guarantee that SCR is going to be very very very low on their money making list. I bet you Hearthstone/Overwatch/etc will make more this year for Blizzard then SCR.
I mean Blizzard could make a Diablo 4, Warcraft 4, WoW 2 and those would be far far more profitable then SCR will ever be. Anyone who thinks that Blizzard is making SCR just for the money isn't thinking clearly. There are far better ways to make a lot more money then remaking Broodwar in HD. By not giving consent to Afreeca and forcing them to wait for SC:R release, forcing them to play 1.18 even when progamers were complaining about it, it is evident they are trying to push their profit lines and not their product, so to speak. This is very much a way for them to reclaim control of their game and most importantly, the profitability of said game. :/ I didn't realize the case. I'm sure many remember clearly how Blizzard mustered a lot of manpower to try and destroy competitive BW in Korea to make way for their shiny new product. They did everything short of deploying brownshirts to smash every CD, computer, and server with the binary install files. After basically going to war with KeSPA, I guess maybe they are just back to their old tactics of trying to have complete control over the entire scene like they did with SCII, which ironically made it a non-starter in Korea, because BW was made great as a competitive game mostly through the work of the community. I was conceptualizing it as mostly out of recognition for their own history that they decided to do Remastered, but you're right; the timing makes it look like they realized BW was going to succeed in Korea no matter how hard they opposed it, so they just decided that they might as well have control over it if it does. I guess maybe 100 years from now or whenever BW is in the public domain, it can finally flourish unfettered. Fresh from the press. Thought you might find it relevant. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/522899-asl-team-battle-season-2?page=7#140Say it ain't so. EDIT: Just want to clarify that in my earlier post, all I stipulated was that Blizzard had not (yet?) given consent to Afreeca to run ATB. Now they have flat-out rejected it, according to K.J.H., who in my eyes has been a reliable source for Korean scene information as of late. Oh god, not again. Fuck Blizzard seriously. If they are going to destroy the BW scene a second time I hope from the bottom of my heart that they will go bankrupt as soon as possible.
the last 5 years are proof that killing BW is not as easy as that, calm down.
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Blizzard doesn't want to kill BW, that's a silly notion.
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Somehow I doubt Blizz is trying to kill BW. They are just screwing up by meddling so much.
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My impression is that the team is small and they're botching the PR. Thinking they want BW dead is silly
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On July 07 2017 01:35 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2017 21:20 Miragee wrote:On July 06 2017 12:33 Jealous wrote:On July 06 2017 11:31 Ancestral wrote:On July 05 2017 12:19 Jealous wrote:On July 05 2017 11:50 blade55555 wrote:
If you think Blizzard made SCR for the money, well I hate to tell you this, but they didn't. It Blizzard was truly only doing this for money, this game would never have been remade. Seriously, I guarantee that SCR is going to be very very very low on their money making list. I bet you Hearthstone/Overwatch/etc will make more this year for Blizzard then SCR.
I mean Blizzard could make a Diablo 4, Warcraft 4, WoW 2 and those would be far far more profitable then SCR will ever be. Anyone who thinks that Blizzard is making SCR just for the money isn't thinking clearly. There are far better ways to make a lot more money then remaking Broodwar in HD. By not giving consent to Afreeca and forcing them to wait for SC:R release, forcing them to play 1.18 even when progamers were complaining about it, it is evident they are trying to push their profit lines and not their product, so to speak. This is very much a way for them to reclaim control of their game and most importantly, the profitability of said game. :/ I didn't realize the case. I'm sure many remember clearly how Blizzard mustered a lot of manpower to try and destroy competitive BW in Korea to make way for their shiny new product. They did everything short of deploying brownshirts to smash every CD, computer, and server with the binary install files. After basically going to war with KeSPA, I guess maybe they are just back to their old tactics of trying to have complete control over the entire scene like they did with SCII, which ironically made it a non-starter in Korea, because BW was made great as a competitive game mostly through the work of the community. I was conceptualizing it as mostly out of recognition for their own history that they decided to do Remastered, but you're right; the timing makes it look like they realized BW was going to succeed in Korea no matter how hard they opposed it, so they just decided that they might as well have control over it if it does. I guess maybe 100 years from now or whenever BW is in the public domain, it can finally flourish unfettered. Fresh from the press. Thought you might find it relevant. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/522899-asl-team-battle-season-2?page=7#140Say it ain't so. EDIT: Just want to clarify that in my earlier post, all I stipulated was that Blizzard had not (yet?) given consent to Afreeca to run ATB. Now they have flat-out rejected it, according to K.J.H., who in my eyes has been a reliable source for Korean scene information as of late. Oh god, not again. Fuck Blizzard seriously. If they are going to destroy the BW scene a second time I hope from the bottom of my heart that they will go bankrupt as soon as possible. Activision Blizzard is a 40+ billion dollar company that is in the midst of a huge upsurge in terms of revenue and profitability and future outlook, so you might have to wait for a while for that.
I know, it's a shame.
On July 07 2017 01:37 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2017 21:20 Miragee wrote:On July 06 2017 12:33 Jealous wrote:On July 06 2017 11:31 Ancestral wrote:On July 05 2017 12:19 Jealous wrote:On July 05 2017 11:50 blade55555 wrote:
If you think Blizzard made SCR for the money, well I hate to tell you this, but they didn't. It Blizzard was truly only doing this for money, this game would never have been remade. Seriously, I guarantee that SCR is going to be very very very low on their money making list. I bet you Hearthstone/Overwatch/etc will make more this year for Blizzard then SCR.
I mean Blizzard could make a Diablo 4, Warcraft 4, WoW 2 and those would be far far more profitable then SCR will ever be. Anyone who thinks that Blizzard is making SCR just for the money isn't thinking clearly. There are far better ways to make a lot more money then remaking Broodwar in HD. By not giving consent to Afreeca and forcing them to wait for SC:R release, forcing them to play 1.18 even when progamers were complaining about it, it is evident they are trying to push their profit lines and not their product, so to speak. This is very much a way for them to reclaim control of their game and most importantly, the profitability of said game. :/ I didn't realize the case. I'm sure many remember clearly how Blizzard mustered a lot of manpower to try and destroy competitive BW in Korea to make way for their shiny new product. They did everything short of deploying brownshirts to smash every CD, computer, and server with the binary install files. After basically going to war with KeSPA, I guess maybe they are just back to their old tactics of trying to have complete control over the entire scene like they did with SCII, which ironically made it a non-starter in Korea, because BW was made great as a competitive game mostly through the work of the community. I was conceptualizing it as mostly out of recognition for their own history that they decided to do Remastered, but you're right; the timing makes it look like they realized BW was going to succeed in Korea no matter how hard they opposed it, so they just decided that they might as well have control over it if it does. I guess maybe 100 years from now or whenever BW is in the public domain, it can finally flourish unfettered. Fresh from the press. Thought you might find it relevant. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/522899-asl-team-battle-season-2?page=7#140Say it ain't so. EDIT: Just want to clarify that in my earlier post, all I stipulated was that Blizzard had not (yet?) given consent to Afreeca to run ATB. Now they have flat-out rejected it, according to K.J.H., who in my eyes has been a reliable source for Korean scene information as of late. Oh god, not again. Fuck Blizzard seriously. If they are going to destroy the BW scene a second time I hope from the bottom of my heart that they will go bankrupt as soon as possible. the last 5 years are proof that killing BW is not as easy as that, calm down.
Uh, BW took 4 years to somewhat recover from the last blow Blizzard dealt to the scene. It's still nowhere near back to what it was. I don't want to see what the scene might look like after another blow, sorry.
On July 07 2017 01:52 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Blizzard doesn't want to kill BW, that's a silly notion.
Err, you know what happened when they tried to force SC2 on the korean market, right? They pretty much wanted to kill BW and were quite vocal about it. Remember the speech Mike Morhaime did at the end of the last MSL (I think?) where he said everything good has come to an end someday and BW's day had come? The speech that made Kim Carrier cry? They don't care about BW one bit. They care about profit and advertisement. Since the SC2 scene is dwindeling and the BW scene is rising again, SC:R is pretty much the move to jump on the bandwagon and put their thumb on the scene and press it for revenue. Their continuous forceful acting speaks volumes.
The sad thing is I think it will work out for them. Even if they end up splitting the community, dealing another fatal blow to the community in the long run, it won't hurt them. That's because the newcomers who will jump on the game due to SC:R will leave quickly again. Those will keep buying Blizzard products in the future and will probably even look at the whole SC:R thing and say that Blizzard did something good for all the fans and that BW would have never survived as long without it. This is because they don't know anything about the scene and what it went through and they weren't involved anywhere close enough to understand what Blizzard actually did.
I know this all sounds very pessimistic. It might turn out to go all well and I really hope it will. However, over the past decade I have learned to approach everything that comes from Blizzard with heavy pessimism. If I don't I'm bound to get devastated.
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The SC2 stuff sucks but they aren't going to kill the very game they're pushing. And remastered HAS to be faithful or it will absolutely flop in Korea and they'll just go back to 1.6.
I keep hearing about splitting the community but the thing is that this remaster will bring in thousands of new players to the greatest game of all time. We should be happy for that instead of worrying about the 25 guys beating on eachother for iccup points bonding about how evil and greedy blizzard (a company that tries to make money) is. You guys are going to make new people hate joining in on the community with all this fear mongering
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On July 07 2017 02:21 Little-Chimp wrote:
The SC2 stuff sucks but they aren't going to kill the very game they're pushing. And remastered HAS to be faithful or it will absolutely flop in Korea and they'll just go back to 1.6.
I keep hearing about splitting the community but the thing is that this remaster will bring in thousands of new players to the greatest game of all time. We should be happy for that instead of worrying about the 25 guys beating on eachother for iccup points bonding about how evil and greedy blizzard (a company that tries to make money) is. You guys are going to make new people hate joining in on the community with all this fear mongering
As you said, they want to maximize profit. It's better for them if they get a piece of each major tournament, rather than there being more and larger tournaments overall.
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On July 07 2017 02:12 Miragee wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2017 01:35 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On July 06 2017 21:20 Miragee wrote:On July 06 2017 12:33 Jealous wrote:On July 06 2017 11:31 Ancestral wrote:On July 05 2017 12:19 Jealous wrote:On July 05 2017 11:50 blade55555 wrote:
If you think Blizzard made SCR for the money, well I hate to tell you this, but they didn't. It Blizzard was truly only doing this for money, this game would never have been remade. Seriously, I guarantee that SCR is going to be very very very low on their money making list. I bet you Hearthstone/Overwatch/etc will make more this year for Blizzard then SCR.
I mean Blizzard could make a Diablo 4, Warcraft 4, WoW 2 and those would be far far more profitable then SCR will ever be. Anyone who thinks that Blizzard is making SCR just for the money isn't thinking clearly. There are far better ways to make a lot more money then remaking Broodwar in HD. By not giving consent to Afreeca and forcing them to wait for SC:R release, forcing them to play 1.18 even when progamers were complaining about it, it is evident they are trying to push their profit lines and not their product, so to speak. This is very much a way for them to reclaim control of their game and most importantly, the profitability of said game. :/ I didn't realize the case. I'm sure many remember clearly how Blizzard mustered a lot of manpower to try and destroy competitive BW in Korea to make way for their shiny new product. They did everything short of deploying brownshirts to smash every CD, computer, and server with the binary install files. After basically going to war with KeSPA, I guess maybe they are just back to their old tactics of trying to have complete control over the entire scene like they did with SCII, which ironically made it a non-starter in Korea, because BW was made great as a competitive game mostly through the work of the community. I was conceptualizing it as mostly out of recognition for their own history that they decided to do Remastered, but you're right; the timing makes it look like they realized BW was going to succeed in Korea no matter how hard they opposed it, so they just decided that they might as well have control over it if it does. I guess maybe 100 years from now or whenever BW is in the public domain, it can finally flourish unfettered. Fresh from the press. Thought you might find it relevant. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/522899-asl-team-battle-season-2?page=7#140Say it ain't so. EDIT: Just want to clarify that in my earlier post, all I stipulated was that Blizzard had not (yet?) given consent to Afreeca to run ATB. Now they have flat-out rejected it, according to K.J.H., who in my eyes has been a reliable source for Korean scene information as of late. Oh god, not again. Fuck Blizzard seriously. If they are going to destroy the BW scene a second time I hope from the bottom of my heart that they will go bankrupt as soon as possible. Activision Blizzard is a 40+ billion dollar company that is in the midst of a huge upsurge in terms of revenue and profitability and future outlook, so you might have to wait for a while for that. I know, it's a shame. Show nested quote +On July 07 2017 01:37 BLinD-RawR wrote:On July 06 2017 21:20 Miragee wrote:On July 06 2017 12:33 Jealous wrote:On July 06 2017 11:31 Ancestral wrote:On July 05 2017 12:19 Jealous wrote:On July 05 2017 11:50 blade55555 wrote:
If you think Blizzard made SCR for the money, well I hate to tell you this, but they didn't. It Blizzard was truly only doing this for money, this game would never have been remade. Seriously, I guarantee that SCR is going to be very very very low on their money making list. I bet you Hearthstone/Overwatch/etc will make more this year for Blizzard then SCR.
I mean Blizzard could make a Diablo 4, Warcraft 4, WoW 2 and those would be far far more profitable then SCR will ever be. Anyone who thinks that Blizzard is making SCR just for the money isn't thinking clearly. There are far better ways to make a lot more money then remaking Broodwar in HD. By not giving consent to Afreeca and forcing them to wait for SC:R release, forcing them to play 1.18 even when progamers were complaining about it, it is evident they are trying to push their profit lines and not their product, so to speak. This is very much a way for them to reclaim control of their game and most importantly, the profitability of said game. :/ I didn't realize the case. I'm sure many remember clearly how Blizzard mustered a lot of manpower to try and destroy competitive BW in Korea to make way for their shiny new product. They did everything short of deploying brownshirts to smash every CD, computer, and server with the binary install files. After basically going to war with KeSPA, I guess maybe they are just back to their old tactics of trying to have complete control over the entire scene like they did with SCII, which ironically made it a non-starter in Korea, because BW was made great as a competitive game mostly through the work of the community. I was conceptualizing it as mostly out of recognition for their own history that they decided to do Remastered, but you're right; the timing makes it look like they realized BW was going to succeed in Korea no matter how hard they opposed it, so they just decided that they might as well have control over it if it does. I guess maybe 100 years from now or whenever BW is in the public domain, it can finally flourish unfettered. Fresh from the press. Thought you might find it relevant. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/522899-asl-team-battle-season-2?page=7#140Say it ain't so. EDIT: Just want to clarify that in my earlier post, all I stipulated was that Blizzard had not (yet?) given consent to Afreeca to run ATB. Now they have flat-out rejected it, according to K.J.H., who in my eyes has been a reliable source for Korean scene information as of late. Oh god, not again. Fuck Blizzard seriously. If they are going to destroy the BW scene a second time I hope from the bottom of my heart that they will go bankrupt as soon as possible. the last 5 years are proof that killing BW is not as easy as that, calm down. Uh, BW took 4 years to somewhat recover from the last blow Blizzard dealt to the scene. It's still nowhere near back to what it was. I don't want to see what the scene might look like after another blow, sorry. Show nested quote +On July 07 2017 01:52 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Blizzard doesn't want to kill BW, that's a silly notion. Err, you know what happened when they tried to force SC2 on the korean market, right? They pretty much wanted to kill BW and were quite vocal about it. Remember the speech Mike Morhaime did at the end of the last MSL (I think?) where he said everything good has come to an end someday and BW's day had come? The speech that made Kim Carrier cry? They don't care about BW one bit. They care about profit and advertisement. Since the SC2 scene is dwindeling and the BW scene is rising again, SC:R is pretty much the move to jump on the bandwagon and put their thumb on the scene and press it for revenue. Their continuous forceful acting speaks volumes. The sad thing is I think it will work out for them. Even if they end up splitting the community, dealing another fatal blow to the community in the long run, it won't hurt them. That's because the newcomers who will jump on the game due to SC:R will leave quickly again. Those will keep buying Blizzard products in the future and will probably even look at the whole SC:R thing and say that Blizzard did something good for all the fans and that BW would have never survived as long without it. This is because they don't know anything about the scene and what it went through and they weren't involved anywhere close enough to understand what Blizzard actually did. I know this all sounds very pessimistic. It might turn out to go all well and I really hope it will. However, over the past decade I have learned to approach everything that comes from Blizzard with heavy pessimism. If I don't I'm bound to get devastated.
"Blizzard wants to profit from BW" and "Blizzard wants to kill BW" are mutually exclusive notions. Blizzard very much does not want to kill BW.
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