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On July 06 2017 05:23 2Pacalypse- wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2017 05:19 ldv wrote:On July 06 2017 03:14 Jealous wrote:
@ldv you know that @B-Royal is one of the most active foreign players, and a coach in the league wherein you are a student, right? I understand that you played the game a long time ago, but in terms of being cognizant of the scene and the impact of Blizzard's actions, if we look at just reputation then I would trust B-Royal over you 100% of the way. It doesn't help that your arguments are either non-existent or laced with a childish attitude. B-Royal brought up good points. I haven't seen any from you besides your actually decently-constructed hypothesis a page or two ago about why everyone in this thread is stupid and doesn't know how games are made and sold and for what purpose. It was an interesting read because you actually followed some sort of inductive reasoning, even if I disagree with you wholeheartedly. Maybe you can try more in that vein, and less of this kindergarten nonsense? i give zero fucks about your appeal to authority. wrong is wrong. Either start posting some actual arguments or stop posting in this thread. Calling people names and telling them they're wrong will not get you far.
Are you fucking joking me, have you not seen all the fucking points I've been making lol. And the only counterpoint so far is 'but i know b-royal and he does stuff so he's smarter than you'
you idiots are all high, i swear to god.
meanwhile we've got people posting a single smiley, b-royal himself with a slew of personal attacks, and you single me out because well, intellectual laziness.
fuck tl, this place is a cesspool.
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ldv are you Blizzard employer? Only him can like more new shitty Ui than older one 
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So...would this be a good time to possit that blizzard with shove skins down your throat and skin the shit out of remasters? Perhaps do the whole SC2 route? Extra paid missions and co-op mode? Guys I'm so excited that they will reveal what this Samir Duran fella has been up to.
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On July 06 2017 07:05 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
So...would this be a good time to possit that blizzard with shove skins down your throat and skin the shit out of remasters? Perhaps do the whole SC2 route? Extra paid missions and co-op mode? Guys I'm so excited that they will reveal what this Samir Duran fella has been up to.
I hope so, that shit gets the casuals hard as fuck.
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On July 06 2017 07:14 Little-Chimp wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2017 07:05 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
So...would this be a good time to possit that blizzard with shove skins down your throat and skin the shit out of remasters? Perhaps do the whole SC2 route? Extra paid missions and co-op mode? Guys I'm so excited that they will reveal what this Samir Duran fella has been up to. I hope so, that shit gets the casuals hard as fuck.
I'd pay for Siege tank and Goliath skins that actually look good.
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I do not mind matchmaking being put behind a pay wall. As is said in the Blizzard post, this would end up keeping banned hackers from easily going back in and playing in the ladder. There must be some technical reason or a lack of confidence that they can keep ahead of the hacker community.
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Posted by Pete Stilwell:
As a result, Matchmaking and Ladder are exclusive to Remastered. We believe this is the best way to preserve the integrity of the play experience. We want to encourage a healthy, competitive ecosystem for StarCraft, and this measure will limit griefing of new and lower-level players
Isn't League of Legends the most popular game in the world? Isn't it free to play? How are they able to do it?
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On July 06 2017 10:13 Lazare1969 wrote:Show nested quote +Posted by Pete Stilwell:
As a result, Matchmaking and Ladder are exclusive to Remastered. We believe this is the best way to preserve the integrity of the play experience. We want to encourage a healthy, competitive ecosystem for StarCraft, and this measure will limit griefing of new and lower-level players Isn't League of Legends the most popular game in the world? Isn't it free to play? How are they able to do it?
LoL does have barriers to its matchmaking. Level 30 and 20(?) champions owned to join ranked, so at least most people can't just spam multiple new accounts into ranked whenever they want.
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not to mention, Starcraft 2's matchmaking is behind a paywall as well. Free version gets you basically everything except 1v1 matchmaking (and the campaign)
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On July 06 2017 10:39 Flameling wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2017 10:13 Lazare1969 wrote:Posted by Pete Stilwell:
As a result, Matchmaking and Ladder are exclusive to Remastered. We believe this is the best way to preserve the integrity of the play experience. We want to encourage a healthy, competitive ecosystem for StarCraft, and this measure will limit griefing of new and lower-level players Isn't League of Legends the most popular game in the world? Isn't it free to play? How are they able to do it? LoL does have barriers to its matchmaking. Level 30 and 20(?) champions owned to join ranked, so at least most people can't just spam multiple new accounts into ranked whenever they want.
you could easily set a minimum number of games before laddering like 100 or something. Doing this exclusive thing has more potential to split the community than anything else, esp with Fish being manual (and the presence of shield battery to some extent too). I dont get how having a ladder exclusive to SC R makes it any different for new and lower player unless the goal is to actually prevent older (better?) players to join?
Let s say we all buy SC R and start laddering, most of us here would totally smash any truly new players even if they play a 100 games series. They ll get 100 losses unless they play against other real beginners.
Any news on a 2v2 matchmaking? (bumping a question from someone else in this thread that unfortunately got lost in the flaming of a certain user)
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On July 05 2017 12:19 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2017 11:50 blade55555 wrote:
If you think Blizzard made SCR for the money, well I hate to tell you this, but they didn't. It Blizzard was truly only doing this for money, this game would never have been remade. Seriously, I guarantee that SCR is going to be very very very low on their money making list. I bet you Hearthstone/Overwatch/etc will make more this year for Blizzard then SCR.
I mean Blizzard could make a Diablo 4, Warcraft 4, WoW 2 and those would be far far more profitable then SCR will ever be. Anyone who thinks that Blizzard is making SCR just for the money isn't thinking clearly. There are far better ways to make a lot more money then remaking Broodwar in HD. By not giving consent to Afreeca and forcing them to wait for SC:R release, forcing them to play 1.18 even when progamers were complaining about it, it is evident they are trying to push their profit lines and not their product, so to speak. This is very much a way for them to reclaim control of their game and most importantly, the profitability of said game.
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I didn't realize the case. I'm sure many remember clearly how Blizzard mustered a lot of manpower to try and destroy competitive BW in Korea to make way for their shiny new product. They did everything short of deploying brownshirts to smash every CD, computer, and server with the binary install files. After basically going to war with KeSPA, I guess maybe they are just back to their old tactics of trying to have complete control over the entire scene like they did with SCII, which ironically made it a non-starter in Korea, because BW was made great as a competitive game mostly through the work of the community.
I was conceptualizing it as mostly out of recognition for their own history that they decided to do Remastered, but you're right; the timing makes it look like they realized BW was going to succeed in Korea no matter how hard they opposed it, so they just decided that they might as well have control over it if it does.
I guess maybe 100 years from now or whenever BW is in the public domain, it can finally flourish unfettered.
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On July 06 2017 11:31 Ancestral wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2017 12:19 Jealous wrote:On July 05 2017 11:50 blade55555 wrote:
If you think Blizzard made SCR for the money, well I hate to tell you this, but they didn't. It Blizzard was truly only doing this for money, this game would never have been remade. Seriously, I guarantee that SCR is going to be very very very low on their money making list. I bet you Hearthstone/Overwatch/etc will make more this year for Blizzard then SCR.
I mean Blizzard could make a Diablo 4, Warcraft 4, WoW 2 and those would be far far more profitable then SCR will ever be. Anyone who thinks that Blizzard is making SCR just for the money isn't thinking clearly. There are far better ways to make a lot more money then remaking Broodwar in HD. By not giving consent to Afreeca and forcing them to wait for SC:R release, forcing them to play 1.18 even when progamers were complaining about it, it is evident they are trying to push their profit lines and not their product, so to speak. This is very much a way for them to reclaim control of their game and most importantly, the profitability of said game. :/ I didn't realize the case. I'm sure many remember clearly how Blizzard mustered a lot of manpower to try and destroy competitive BW in Korea to make way for their shiny new product. They did everything short of deploying brownshirts to smash every CD, computer, and server with the binary install files. After basically going to war with KeSPA, I guess maybe they are just back to their old tactics of trying to have complete control over the entire scene like they did with SCII, which ironically made it a non-starter in Korea, because BW was made great as a competitive game mostly through the work of the community. I was conceptualizing it as mostly out of recognition for their own history that they decided to do Remastered, but you're right; the timing makes it look like they realized BW was going to succeed in Korea no matter how hard they opposed it, so they just decided that they might as well have control over it if it does. I guess maybe 100 years from now or whenever BW is in the public domain, it can finally flourish unfettered.
Fresh from the press. Thought you might find it relevant.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/522899-asl-team-battle-season-2?page=7#140
Say it ain't so.
EDIT: Just want to clarify that in my earlier post, all I stipulated was that Blizzard had not (yet?) given consent to Afreeca to run ATB. Now they have flat-out rejected it, according to K.J.H., who in my eyes has been a reliable source for Korean scene information as of late.
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On July 06 2017 10:13 Lazare1969 wrote:Show nested quote +Posted by Pete Stilwell:
As a result, Matchmaking and Ladder are exclusive to Remastered. We believe this is the best way to preserve the integrity of the play experience. We want to encourage a healthy, competitive ecosystem for StarCraft, and this measure will limit griefing of new and lower-level players Isn't League of Legends the most popular game in the world? Isn't it free to play? How are they able to do it?
cause they charge outrageous for minor cosmetic effects basically. and ofc people buy it
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On July 06 2017 12:33 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2017 11:31 Ancestral wrote:On July 05 2017 12:19 Jealous wrote:On July 05 2017 11:50 blade55555 wrote:
If you think Blizzard made SCR for the money, well I hate to tell you this, but they didn't. It Blizzard was truly only doing this for money, this game would never have been remade. Seriously, I guarantee that SCR is going to be very very very low on their money making list. I bet you Hearthstone/Overwatch/etc will make more this year for Blizzard then SCR.
I mean Blizzard could make a Diablo 4, Warcraft 4, WoW 2 and those would be far far more profitable then SCR will ever be. Anyone who thinks that Blizzard is making SCR just for the money isn't thinking clearly. There are far better ways to make a lot more money then remaking Broodwar in HD. By not giving consent to Afreeca and forcing them to wait for SC:R release, forcing them to play 1.18 even when progamers were complaining about it, it is evident they are trying to push their profit lines and not their product, so to speak. This is very much a way for them to reclaim control of their game and most importantly, the profitability of said game. :/ I didn't realize the case. I'm sure many remember clearly how Blizzard mustered a lot of manpower to try and destroy competitive BW in Korea to make way for their shiny new product. They did everything short of deploying brownshirts to smash every CD, computer, and server with the binary install files. After basically going to war with KeSPA, I guess maybe they are just back to their old tactics of trying to have complete control over the entire scene like they did with SCII, which ironically made it a non-starter in Korea, because BW was made great as a competitive game mostly through the work of the community. I was conceptualizing it as mostly out of recognition for their own history that they decided to do Remastered, but you're right; the timing makes it look like they realized BW was going to succeed in Korea no matter how hard they opposed it, so they just decided that they might as well have control over it if it does. I guess maybe 100 years from now or whenever BW is in the public domain, it can finally flourish unfettered. Fresh from the press. Thought you might find it relevant. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/522899-asl-team-battle-season-2?page=7#140Say it ain't so. EDIT: Just want to clarify that in my earlier post, all I stipulated was that Blizzard had not (yet?) given consent to Afreeca to run ATB. Now they have flat-out rejected it, according to K.J.H., who in my eyes has been a reliable source for Korean scene information as of late.
I actually legitimately wish on this one point SK would take a page out of China's playbook and say "fuck your intellectual property rights."
The law is obviously broken. If you buy a game, you should be able to have tournaments with whatever prize pool you want to your hearts desire. It makes no sense that Blizzard can have this kind of tyrannical control.
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On July 06 2017 10:13 Lazare1969 wrote:Show nested quote +Posted by Pete Stilwell:
As a result, Matchmaking and Ladder are exclusive to Remastered. We believe this is the best way to preserve the integrity of the play experience. We want to encourage a healthy, competitive ecosystem for StarCraft, and this measure will limit griefing of new and lower-level players Isn't League of Legends the most popular game in the world? Isn't it free to play? How are they able to do it?
for a new account u have to play hours, for most people WEEKS until u reach teh rank where ur able to play ranked again
so thats like saying u can only play matchmaking in starcraft after 100 1n1 wins xD
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On July 06 2017 11:31 Ancestral wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2017 12:19 Jealous wrote:On July 05 2017 11:50 blade55555 wrote:
If you think Blizzard made SCR for the money, well I hate to tell you this, but they didn't. It Blizzard was truly only doing this for money, this game would never have been remade. Seriously, I guarantee that SCR is going to be very very very low on their money making list. I bet you Hearthstone/Overwatch/etc will make more this year for Blizzard then SCR.
I mean Blizzard could make a Diablo 4, Warcraft 4, WoW 2 and those would be far far more profitable then SCR will ever be. Anyone who thinks that Blizzard is making SCR just for the money isn't thinking clearly. There are far better ways to make a lot more money then remaking Broodwar in HD. By not giving consent to Afreeca and forcing them to wait for SC:R release, forcing them to play 1.18 even when progamers were complaining about it, it is evident they are trying to push their profit lines and not their product, so to speak. This is very much a way for them to reclaim control of their game and most importantly, the profitability of said game. :/ I didn't realize the case. I'm sure many remember clearly how Blizzard mustered a lot of manpower to try and destroy competitive BW in Korea to make way for their shiny new product. They did everything short of deploying brownshirts to smash every CD, computer, and server with the binary install files. After basically going to war with KeSPA, I guess maybe they are just back to their old tactics of trying to have complete control over the entire scene like they did with SCII, which ironically made it a non-starter in Korea, because BW was made great as a competitive game mostly through the work of the community. I was conceptualizing it as mostly out of recognition for their own history that they decided to do Remastered, but you're right; the timing makes it look like they realized BW was going to succeed in Korea no matter how hard they opposed it, so they just decided that they might as well have control over it if it does. I guess maybe 100 years from now or whenever BW is in the public domain, it can finally flourish unfettered.
Blizzard's decisions are so bad that I can't actually believe it's true. But probably there will still be fanboys defending this mess
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This thread is formal fallacy in a nutshell... The total lack of deductive reasoning gets more hilarious by the day...
It's the munera for the populus Team Liquidus, so let's build a Coliseum and fight to the death!
"Ave Caesar, morituri te salutant!" (finally those greek/roman history classes paid off)
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There's something gone terribly wrong with your Greek history classes.
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On July 06 2017 18:32 thePunGun wrote:This thread is formal fallacy in a nutshell... The total lack of deductive reasoning gets more hilarious by the day... It's the munera for the populus Team Liquidus, so let's build a Coliseum and fight to the death! "Ave Caesar, morituri te salutant!" (finally those greek/roman history classes paid off)
You're pulling an ldv where you show up and say "you're all wrong and stupet stupet" and don't really explain where there is a dearth of logic or what fallacy you're citing. An amazing way to sound pedantic with very little effort. I salute your prowess.
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On July 06 2017 12:33 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2017 11:31 Ancestral wrote:On July 05 2017 12:19 Jealous wrote:On July 05 2017 11:50 blade55555 wrote:
If you think Blizzard made SCR for the money, well I hate to tell you this, but they didn't. It Blizzard was truly only doing this for money, this game would never have been remade. Seriously, I guarantee that SCR is going to be very very very low on their money making list. I bet you Hearthstone/Overwatch/etc will make more this year for Blizzard then SCR.
I mean Blizzard could make a Diablo 4, Warcraft 4, WoW 2 and those would be far far more profitable then SCR will ever be. Anyone who thinks that Blizzard is making SCR just for the money isn't thinking clearly. There are far better ways to make a lot more money then remaking Broodwar in HD. By not giving consent to Afreeca and forcing them to wait for SC:R release, forcing them to play 1.18 even when progamers were complaining about it, it is evident they are trying to push their profit lines and not their product, so to speak. This is very much a way for them to reclaim control of their game and most importantly, the profitability of said game. :/ I didn't realize the case. I'm sure many remember clearly how Blizzard mustered a lot of manpower to try and destroy competitive BW in Korea to make way for their shiny new product. They did everything short of deploying brownshirts to smash every CD, computer, and server with the binary install files. After basically going to war with KeSPA, I guess maybe they are just back to their old tactics of trying to have complete control over the entire scene like they did with SCII, which ironically made it a non-starter in Korea, because BW was made great as a competitive game mostly through the work of the community. I was conceptualizing it as mostly out of recognition for their own history that they decided to do Remastered, but you're right; the timing makes it look like they realized BW was going to succeed in Korea no matter how hard they opposed it, so they just decided that they might as well have control over it if it does. I guess maybe 100 years from now or whenever BW is in the public domain, it can finally flourish unfettered. Fresh from the press. Thought you might find it relevant. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/522899-asl-team-battle-season-2?page=7#140Say it ain't so. EDIT: Just want to clarify that in my earlier post, all I stipulated was that Blizzard had not (yet?) given consent to Afreeca to run ATB. Now they have flat-out rejected it, according to K.J.H., who in my eyes has been a reliable source for Korean scene information as of late.
Oh god, not again. Fuck Blizzard seriously. If they are going to destroy the BW scene a second time I hope from the bottom of my heart that they will go bankrupt as soon as possible.
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