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On May 30 2017 06:41 Marl wrote:
I hope by changing from D-S to metals doesn't signal that they also want to implement matchmaking. In my experience it totally depersonalizes finding a match, makes the community antisocial, and keeps you from facing a more diverse range of opponents. My other favorite game Team Fortress 2 died to this mistake of feature, and it's one of the reasons I believe SC2 never took off when it should have. LoL was 'successful' with matchmaking but it's a team game and I hope no one wants the Broodwar community to be like theirs.
Alright go play on iccup then no ones forcing you to play remastered.
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On May 29 2017 22:21 paralleluniverse wrote:
Ridiculous how people are stupidly haggling over whether the labels Bronze to GM or the labels F to A should be used, while ignoring the substantive debate of whether or not the ranking is based on MMR or meaningless SC2-type points.
SC2 has rankings based on MMR now so it's safe to assume SC:R does too.
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On May 30 2017 06:41 Marl wrote:
I hope by changing from D-S to metals doesn't signal that they also want to implement matchmaking. In my experience it totally depersonalizes finding a match, makes the community antisocial, and keeps you from facing a more diverse range of opponents. My other favorite game Team Fortress 2 died to this mistake of feature, and it's one of the reasons I believe SC2 never took off when it should have. LoL was 'successful' with matchmaking but it's a team game and I hope no one wants the Broodwar community to be like theirs.
I mean they could make chat channel like BW and have ladder button right left of u so u click and u go ladder..
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Honestly as a person who use to play over 1K games a season on Iccup, I think matchmaking is going to be for the best. One thing i have learned from playing on iccup is that getting wrecked and not having a fair chance is very discouraging, and at the same time winning one sided is not rewarding. But with this being said its really important to keep player retention because without that we will be back to having a meaningless point system.
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On May 30 2017 07:01 emeraldgreenforest wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2017 06:41 Marl wrote:
I hope by changing from D-S to metals doesn't signal that they also want to implement matchmaking. In my experience it totally depersonalizes finding a match, makes the community antisocial, and keeps you from facing a more diverse range of opponents. My other favorite game Team Fortress 2 died to this mistake of feature, and it's one of the reasons I believe SC2 never took off when it should have. LoL was 'successful' with matchmaking but it's a team game and I hope no one wants the Broodwar community to be like theirs. Alright go play on iccup then no ones forcing you to play remastered.
Alright go play sc2 then no ones forcing you to touch our holy grail.
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On May 30 2017 10:19 LordOfDabu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2017 22:21 paralleluniverse wrote:
Ridiculous how people are stupidly haggling over whether the labels Bronze to GM or the labels F to A should be used, while ignoring the substantive debate of whether or not the ranking is based on MMR or meaningless SC2-type points. SC2 has rankings based on MMR now so it's safe to assume SC:R does too.
Nope. SC2 has MMR. But ranking is not based on MMR.
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i wonder how maps will be chosen for mapmaking?? is it community based or blizzard based? can i only play FS if i feel like it? can i pick MUs? will GM only have an arbitrary 200 people in it regardless of mmr so i have to wait for people to be inactive before i can get in or spam games at the start of a season? lots of questions about bnet .20 being retroactively put into broodwar
the profiles are okay as long as they can be fully hidden based on user discretion. otherwise people will tease me about only having 80apm
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On May 30 2017 21:56 Endymion wrote:
i wonder how maps will be chosen for mapmaking?? is it community based or blizzard based? can i only play FS if i feel like it? can i pick MUs? will GM only have an arbitrary 200 people in it regardless of mmr so i have to wait for people to be inactive before i can get in or spam games at the start of a season? lots of questions about bnet .20 being retroactively put into broodwar
the profiles are okay as long as they can be fully hidden based on user discretion. otherwise people will tease me about only having 80apm
I used to play with a Zerg player who had 80ish APM in n.stOp) (Reaper was his name I think) and he was B-. I still don't understand how.
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On May 30 2017 21:56 Endymion wrote:
i wonder how maps will be chosen for mapmaking?? is it community based or blizzard based? can i only play FS if i feel like it? can i pick MUs? will GM only have an arbitrary 200 people in it regardless of mmr so i have to wait for people to be inactive before i can get in or spam games at the start of a season? lots of questions about bnet .20 being retroactively put into broodwar
the profiles are okay as long as they can be fully hidden based on user discretion. otherwise people will tease me about only having 80apm
wondering about this as well. i assume theres gonna be a map pool with downvotes but a lot of players only play on FS and CB..
On May 30 2017 21:59 Qikz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2017 21:56 Endymion wrote:
i wonder how maps will be chosen for mapmaking?? is it community based or blizzard based? can i only play FS if i feel like it? can i pick MUs? will GM only have an arbitrary 200 people in it regardless of mmr so i have to wait for people to be inactive before i can get in or spam games at the start of a season? lots of questions about bnet .20 being retroactively put into broodwar
the profiles are okay as long as they can be fully hidden based on user discretion. otherwise people will tease me about only having 80apm I used to play with a Zerg player who had 80ish APM in n.stOp) (Reaper was his name I think) and he was B-. I still don't understand how.
In TSL2 i hit A rank (but then dropped down to ~10k A-) with ~150 apm, so i can definitely see players hitting B- (especially now that iccup ranks are inflated) with 100 apm. I didn't know about F-keys back then which is unfortunate, post SC2 my apm is 300 mostly because i use F-keys very actively (which forces good habits).
If you have a good mind for the game and use the minimap/your mouse efficiently you can reach a decent rank with relatively low apm.
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On May 31 2017 01:29 TT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2017 21:56 Endymion wrote:
i wonder how maps will be chosen for mapmaking?? is it community based or blizzard based? can i only play FS if i feel like it? can i pick MUs? will GM only have an arbitrary 200 people in it regardless of mmr so i have to wait for people to be inactive before i can get in or spam games at the start of a season? lots of questions about bnet .20 being retroactively put into broodwar
the profiles are okay as long as they can be fully hidden based on user discretion. otherwise people will tease me about only having 80apm wondering about this as well. i assume theres gonna be a map pool with downvotes but a lot of players only play on FS and CB.. Hopefully its similar to sc2, where you have far less downvotes than the map pool. We as a community need to move pass this map spam bullshit. Theres more to the game than fs or cb.
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On May 31 2017 01:32 Dazed_Spy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2017 01:29 TT1 wrote:On May 30 2017 21:56 Endymion wrote:
i wonder how maps will be chosen for mapmaking?? is it community based or blizzard based? can i only play FS if i feel like it? can i pick MUs? will GM only have an arbitrary 200 people in it regardless of mmr so i have to wait for people to be inactive before i can get in or spam games at the start of a season? lots of questions about bnet .20 being retroactively put into broodwar
the profiles are okay as long as they can be fully hidden based on user discretion. otherwise people will tease me about only having 80apm wondering about this as well. i assume theres gonna be a map pool with downvotes but a lot of players only play on FS and CB.. Hopefully its similar to sc2, where you have far less downvotes than the map pool. We as a community need to move pass this map spam bullshit. Theres more to the game than fs or cb.
Completely agreed. What is your stance on picking matchups, so probably like TvZ while playing zerg in the other matchups.
I read that some people want that to be a thing, imo it's kinda ridiculous though.
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On May 31 2017 01:32 Dazed_Spy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2017 01:29 TT1 wrote:On May 30 2017 21:56 Endymion wrote:
i wonder how maps will be chosen for mapmaking?? is it community based or blizzard based? can i only play FS if i feel like it? can i pick MUs? will GM only have an arbitrary 200 people in it regardless of mmr so i have to wait for people to be inactive before i can get in or spam games at the start of a season? lots of questions about bnet .20 being retroactively put into broodwar
the profiles are okay as long as they can be fully hidden based on user discretion. otherwise people will tease me about only having 80apm wondering about this as well. i assume theres gonna be a map pool with downvotes but a lot of players only play on FS and CB.. Hopefully its similar to sc2, where you have far less downvotes than the map pool. We as a community need to move pass this map spam bullshit. Theres more to the game than fs or cb.
I disagree. Lot of koreans still spam fs or circuit rven though Bluestorm gives double the point. Come on man setilusly playerd wont play in unbalanced maps. You think zerg is going to play terran on camelot?
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On May 31 2017 01:57 Shinokuki wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2017 01:32 Dazed_Spy wrote:On May 31 2017 01:29 TT1 wrote:On May 30 2017 21:56 Endymion wrote:
i wonder how maps will be chosen for mapmaking?? is it community based or blizzard based? can i only play FS if i feel like it? can i pick MUs? will GM only have an arbitrary 200 people in it regardless of mmr so i have to wait for people to be inactive before i can get in or spam games at the start of a season? lots of questions about bnet .20 being retroactively put into broodwar
the profiles are okay as long as they can be fully hidden based on user discretion. otherwise people will tease me about only having 80apm wondering about this as well. i assume theres gonna be a map pool with downvotes but a lot of players only play on FS and CB.. Hopefully its similar to sc2, where you have far less downvotes than the map pool. We as a community need to move pass this map spam bullshit. Theres more to the game than fs or cb. I disagree. Lot of koreans still spam fs or circuit rven though Bluestorm gives double the point. Come on man setilusly playerd wont play in unbalanced maps. You think zerg is going to play terran on camelot?
The solution to that is balanced maps, not playing on only 2 maps.
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On May 31 2017 01:57 Shinokuki wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2017 01:32 Dazed_Spy wrote:On May 31 2017 01:29 TT1 wrote:On May 30 2017 21:56 Endymion wrote:
i wonder how maps will be chosen for mapmaking?? is it community based or blizzard based? can i only play FS if i feel like it? can i pick MUs? will GM only have an arbitrary 200 people in it regardless of mmr so i have to wait for people to be inactive before i can get in or spam games at the start of a season? lots of questions about bnet .20 being retroactively put into broodwar
the profiles are okay as long as they can be fully hidden based on user discretion. otherwise people will tease me about only having 80apm wondering about this as well. i assume theres gonna be a map pool with downvotes but a lot of players only play on FS and CB.. Hopefully its similar to sc2, where you have far less downvotes than the map pool. We as a community need to move pass this map spam bullshit. Theres more to the game than fs or cb. I disagree. Lot of koreans still spam fs or circuit rven though Bluestorm gives double the point. Come on man setilusly playerd wont play in unbalanced maps. You think zerg is going to play terran on camelot? Is it a good thing that koreans spam one map? Should we foreigners seek to emulate that going into the future? Why? There are plenty of maps that are more balanced than camelot, and plenty of fun to be had with map variations. Broodwar has always been a game of map variation, its only the last few years that everyone has become so paralyzed by concerns of balance that we only play two maps, both of which are nearly identical to one another in design.
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I think it would be pretty cool if APM included fkeys. I make pretty good use of them. SC2 I recall I was very happy with my apm, and I play faster in BW for sure (by necessity) but my apm is lower than I'm happy with. Suspect F-Keys is major part.
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Non-RE version will still have match-maker.
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I would like map pool system will be like in sc2 (pool of maps, you can downvote some). In bw I always played on 1 map (as everyone else), and coming to sc2 it was 1 of the big improvements over broodwar for me (along with never having lags). It was like a breath of fresh air to play on different maps, so much diversity. But when I returned to bw, I play 1 map again (as everyone does).
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On May 30 2017 06:57 Chris_Havoc wrote:
The whole point of the new system IS matchmaking. Matchmaking has been expected from the day of the Remastered announcement.
Yea, matchmaking is probably the biggest addition to the BW:Remastered announcement, I agree.
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On May 31 2017 02:22 Dazed_Spy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2017 01:57 Shinokuki wrote:On May 31 2017 01:32 Dazed_Spy wrote:On May 31 2017 01:29 TT1 wrote:On May 30 2017 21:56 Endymion wrote:
i wonder how maps will be chosen for mapmaking?? is it community based or blizzard based? can i only play FS if i feel like it? can i pick MUs? will GM only have an arbitrary 200 people in it regardless of mmr so i have to wait for people to be inactive before i can get in or spam games at the start of a season? lots of questions about bnet .20 being retroactively put into broodwar
the profiles are okay as long as they can be fully hidden based on user discretion. otherwise people will tease me about only having 80apm wondering about this as well. i assume theres gonna be a map pool with downvotes but a lot of players only play on FS and CB.. Hopefully its similar to sc2, where you have far less downvotes than the map pool. We as a community need to move pass this map spam bullshit. Theres more to the game than fs or cb. I disagree. Lot of koreans still spam fs or circuit rven though Bluestorm gives double the point. Come on man setilusly playerd wont play in unbalanced maps. You think zerg is going to play terran on camelot? Is it a good thing that koreans spam one map? Should we foreigners seek to emulate that going into the future? Why? There are plenty of maps that are more balanced than camelot, and plenty of fun to be had with map variations. Broodwar has always been a game of map variation, its only the last few years that everyone has become so paralyzed by concerns of balance that we only play two maps, both of which are nearly identical to one another in design.
idk i think balance could be affected a lot if you switch up maps
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On May 31 2017 04:17 Shinokuki wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2017 02:22 Dazed_Spy wrote:On May 31 2017 01:57 Shinokuki wrote:On May 31 2017 01:32 Dazed_Spy wrote:On May 31 2017 01:29 TT1 wrote:On May 30 2017 21:56 Endymion wrote:
i wonder how maps will be chosen for mapmaking?? is it community based or blizzard based? can i only play FS if i feel like it? can i pick MUs? will GM only have an arbitrary 200 people in it regardless of mmr so i have to wait for people to be inactive before i can get in or spam games at the start of a season? lots of questions about bnet .20 being retroactively put into broodwar
the profiles are okay as long as they can be fully hidden based on user discretion. otherwise people will tease me about only having 80apm wondering about this as well. i assume theres gonna be a map pool with downvotes but a lot of players only play on FS and CB.. Hopefully its similar to sc2, where you have far less downvotes than the map pool. We as a community need to move pass this map spam bullshit. Theres more to the game than fs or cb. I disagree. Lot of koreans still spam fs or circuit rven though Bluestorm gives double the point. Come on man setilusly playerd wont play in unbalanced maps. You think zerg is going to play terran on camelot? Is it a good thing that koreans spam one map? Should we foreigners seek to emulate that going into the future? Why? There are plenty of maps that are more balanced than camelot, and plenty of fun to be had with map variations. Broodwar has always been a game of map variation, its only the last few years that everyone has become so paralyzed by concerns of balance that we only play two maps, both of which are nearly identical to one another in design. idk i think balance could be affected a lot if you switch up maps
i mean... idc if we're playing on kespa maps but once blizzard introduces bloodbath to the mix...+ Show Spoiler +i'll only be playing bloodbath because that map is even better than 투혼!
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