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Feature Preview: Profiles
2 hours ago | Blizzard Entertainment
Another exciting new feature in StarCraft: Remastered is making its debut. Profiles will be home to multiplayer statistics, replays, ladder ranks (for the new matchmaking system), and more!
The Summary tab is your base camp. Create a personalized message and see an overview of your StarCraft: Remastered career:
![[image loading]](https://bnetcmsus-a.akamaihd.net/cms/gallery/QU2DR31S9J6W1495732083647.jpg)
Stats lets you dive into data. Sweet, sweet data . . . Sometimes you just need to know your lifetime total resources collected.
![[image loading]](https://bnetcmsus-a.akamaihd.net/cms/gallery/PHXC2GZZ8RW21495732082074.jpg)
Cloud saves keep your replays a click away on any computer. Access an overview or rewatch the action!
![[image loading]](https://bnetcmsus-a.akamaihd.net/cms/gallery/IT8710TUHPYB1495732083766.jpg)
The Seasons tab helps you stay on top of your rank, view past standings, and reminisce about your greatest achievements:
![[image loading]](https://bnetcmsus-a.akamaihd.net/cms/gallery/BM17TZ7E03ZM1495732091478.jpg)
Collections houses your spoils of war. Unlock unique portraits for your race, and wear them proudly to intimidate opponents on the field of battle:
![[image loading]](https://bnetcmsus-a.akamaihd.net/cms/gallery/U3PJ16TCLHS81495732092446.jpg)
Head over to the StarCraft: Remastered forums to share your thoughts and feedback: https://us.battle.net/forums/en/starcraft/topic/20754937500#1
source:https://starcraft.com/en-us/articles/20814255
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These look really sick  Would be nice to have some representation for Random players as well!
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I'm getting pumped. Really stoked for matchmaking.
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Is there anyone who does not support this? I mean if you don't support this something is wrong with you.
This is exactly what I wanted blizzard to do. This is so awesome
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That looks better than what sc2 got on release, and some of it is even better than what sc2 has now.
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This looks awesome. Really can't wait for remastered!
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why silver bronze gold and not F rank - S Rank. Im sad
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On May 27 2017 06:40 yestaiga wrote:
why silver bronze gold and not F rank - S Rank. Im sad
They ain't iccup. They'll probably use a similar system to the ladders in popular games nowadays.
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Looks really awesome, hopefully won't discourage the new generation of players who socialized on new generation of games which don't even show losses anymore, just wins.
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Looks great. Only thing I would add is maybe map statistics / map vetos like SC2 has (assuming there's an official map pool).
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On May 27 2017 07:04 f10eqq wrote:
Looks great. Only thing I would add is maybe map statistics / map vetos like SC2 has (assuming there's an official map pool).
Also support for match-pickers would be really good I think. You get to pre-select what race you want to play vs. what opponent race. That's pretty key IMO for a lot of Terrans and Zergs.
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Looks great! Can't wait to try it out
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I haven't kept up too much recently, and this may be a dumb question, but ... I see hashtag codes. Are we going to be stuck with only one in game profile per region?
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17 Billion gas collected 
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On May 27 2017 07:49 Elairec wrote:
I haven't kept up too much recently, and this may be a dumb question, but ... I see hashtag codes. Are we going to be stuck with only one in game profile per region?
I wouldn't be surprised if they did. That would be on par for their other games.
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On May 27 2017 07:54 JungleTerrain wrote:17 Billion gas collected
That's what happens when you feed Zergs too much chili... 
As for the profiles, I like them. Very clean design.
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This looks amazing.... the most intricate Battle.net profile I have seen yet, really stoked... I guess Match Making will not be announced and or previewed until a later date, because this was the last update on the battle.net website, but I am not completely sure.
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On May 27 2017 08:34 GGzerG wrote:
This looks amazing.... the most intricate Battle.net profile I have seen yet, really stoked... I guess Match Making will not be announced and or previewed until a later date, because this was the last update on the battle.net website, but I am not completely sure.
They've appended more news before, so I'd expect something up on Monday, That being said, it's really cool to see sophisticated profiles.
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Coach eon, your English has dramatically improved!
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2v2 on heartbreak ridge?
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On May 27 2017 10:05 killer1nz wrote:2v2 on heartbreak ridge?
Players vs Observers!
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Not ganna lie, pretty upset at seeing some weird Bronze symbol in there instead of A-F.
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looks s i c k
On May 27 2017 12:07 TibbersCute wrote:
Not ganna lie, pretty upset at seeing some weird Bronze symbol in there instead of A-F.
Why? Pretty sure points = ladder rating right? As long as they give your exact rating and server rank i dont really care if the "ladder groupings" are F to S or Bronze to GM. All i care about is my rating and server rank.
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this pic makes me think that theres gonna be team game matchamking as well, which would be sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeet.
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On May 27 2017 12:45 TT1 wrote:looks s i c k Show nested quote +On May 27 2017 12:07 TibbersCute wrote:
Not ganna lie, pretty upset at seeing some weird Bronze symbol in there instead of A-F. Why? Pretty sure points = ladder rating right? As long as they give your exact rating and server rank i dont really care if the "ladder groupings" are F to S or Bronze to GM. All i care about is my rating and server rank.
Ever heard the phrase: give an inch and they will take a mile? Same concept.
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On May 27 2017 13:27 TibbersCute wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2017 12:45 TT1 wrote:looks s i c k On May 27 2017 12:07 TibbersCute wrote:
Not ganna lie, pretty upset at seeing some weird Bronze symbol in there instead of A-F. Why? Pretty sure points = ladder rating right? As long as they give your exact rating and server rank i dont really care if the "ladder groupings" are F to S or Bronze to GM. All i care about is my rating and server rank. Ever heard the phrase: give an inch and they will take a mile? Same concept.
Ah so SC2 ranks today, MBS and smartcast tomorrow.. gotcha 
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On May 27 2017 13:49 TT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2017 13:27 TibbersCute wrote:On May 27 2017 12:45 TT1 wrote:looks s i c k On May 27 2017 12:07 TibbersCute wrote:
Not ganna lie, pretty upset at seeing some weird Bronze symbol in there instead of A-F. Why? Pretty sure points = ladder rating right? As long as they give your exact rating and server rank i dont really care if the "ladder groupings" are F to S or Bronze to GM. All i care about is my rating and server rank. Ever heard the phrase: give an inch and they will take a mile? Same concept. Ah so SC2 ranks today, MBS and smartcast tomorrow.. gotcha
Nothing wrong with disliking SC2. I wouldn't expect a lazy player to understand.
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On May 27 2017 14:28 TibbersCute wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2017 13:49 TT1 wrote:On May 27 2017 13:27 TibbersCute wrote:On May 27 2017 12:45 TT1 wrote:looks s i c k On May 27 2017 12:07 TibbersCute wrote:
Not ganna lie, pretty upset at seeing some weird Bronze symbol in there instead of A-F. Why? Pretty sure points = ladder rating right? As long as they give your exact rating and server rank i dont really care if the "ladder groupings" are F to S or Bronze to GM. All i care about is my rating and server rank. Ever heard the phrase: give an inch and they will take a mile? Same concept. Ah so SC2 ranks today, MBS and smartcast tomorrow.. gotcha Nothing wrong with disliking SC2. I wouldn't expect a lazy player to understand.
what, lazy? i mean everyone's entitled to their opinion, even if yours isn't a very logical one. the classics team already stated that they wouldnt touch anything gameplay related. also i'm pretty sure that they're not a balance team anyways, they wouldn't be allowed to make any gameplay related changes.
you're complaining about BW getting bonus features (and you're pretty much the only person doing so), do you realize how dumb that is?
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Speaking of illogical... "Ah so SC2 ranks today, MBS and smartcast tomorrow.. gotcha" is a straw-man. Seems a little silly to call others dumb coming from your position.
On May 27 2017 14:53 TT1 wrote:
The classics team already stated that they wouldnt touch anything gameplay related
You mean like in-gameplay hotkeys?
On May 27 2017 14:53 TT1 wrote:
you're complaining about BW getting bonus features (and you're pretty much the only person doing so)
They asked for feedback, that's my feedback. Look at yourself! Called my opinion dumb, illogical, and are trying to say I'm alone in my opinion? Yeah, my opinion looks completely alone.
Edit: Oh hey, another one a couple minutes after I posted: https://us.battle.net/forums/en/starcraft/topic/20754937500?page=4#post-67
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Looks nice but pretty useless, all in all. Anyway, as long as they don't mess the gameplay, eyecandy in off-game time is welcome.
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On May 27 2017 15:07 TibbersCute wrote:Speaking of illogical... "Ah so SC2 ranks today, MBS and smartcast tomorrow.. gotcha" is a straw-man. Seems a little silly to call others dumb coming from your position. Show nested quote +On May 27 2017 14:53 TT1 wrote:
The classics team already stated that they wouldnt touch anything gameplay related You mean like in-gameplay hotkeys? Show nested quote +On May 27 2017 14:53 TT1 wrote:
you're complaining about BW getting bonus features (and you're pretty much the only person doing so) They asked for feedback, that's my feedback. Look at yourself! Called my opinion dumb, illogical, and are trying to say I'm alone in my opinion? Yeah, my opinion looks completely alone.
wait, you gave feedback.. did i read that right? feedback on what, exactly? you being paranoid about the dev team adding SC2 gameplay features like MBS and smartcast (by giving an inch!) has nothing to do with giving feedback on the new profiles, it's you being paranoid.
also by gameplay changes i meant changing unit stats/the game's mechanics (they stated that they didn't add rebinds for f keys and control groups because they didn't want to touch the games mechanics). keep wearing that tin foil hat of yours tho, wouldn't want to ruin your fun.
im hoping people like you will be able to relax once the launch happens and nothing ends up changing, god knows you need it.
edit: and just to be clear i don't really have an issue with you wanting F - S ranks. what i have an issue with is your "give an inch, take a mile" statement, that's a terrible mindset to have.
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lol TT1 nobody said anything about MBS and smartcast except you, that's sort of what straw-man means. I know you're a pretty lazy player, but at least try not to be so lazy with your vocabulary too. Here's a link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
Please try to be nicer to people posting. It's really annoying when some thug comes up and starts bashing your opinion for god knows what reason
Edit: I dont even know what MBS is
User was warned for this post
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On May 27 2017 15:19 TT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2017 15:07 TibbersCute wrote:Speaking of illogical... "Ah so SC2 ranks today, MBS and smartcast tomorrow.. gotcha" is a straw-man. Seems a little silly to call others dumb coming from your position. On May 27 2017 14:53 TT1 wrote:
The classics team already stated that they wouldnt touch anything gameplay related You mean like in-gameplay hotkeys? On May 27 2017 14:53 TT1 wrote:
you're complaining about BW getting bonus features (and you're pretty much the only person doing so) They asked for feedback, that's my feedback. Look at yourself! Called my opinion dumb, illogical, and are trying to say I'm alone in my opinion? Yeah, my opinion looks completely alone. wait, you gave feedback.. did i read that right? feedback on what, exactly? you being paranoid about the dev team adding SC2 gameplay features like MBS and smartcast (by giving an inch!) has nothing to do with giving feedback on the new profiles, it's you being paranoid. also by gameplay changes i meant changing unit stats/the game's mechanics (they stated that they didn't add rebinds for f keys and control groups because they didn't want to touch the games mechanics). keep wearing that tin foil hat of yours tho, wouldn't want to ruin your fun. im hoping people like you will be able to relax once the launch happens and nothing ends up changing, god knows you need it.
better to just ignore low post count new date users imo.
usually come to troll the fuck out of the threads and be morons basically.
features look nice though
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On May 27 2017 15:22 TibbersCute wrote:lol TT1 nobody said anything about MBS and smartcast except you, that's sort of what straw-man means. I know you're a pretty lazy player, but at least try not to be so lazy with your vocabulary too. Here's a link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_manPlease try to be nicer to people posting. It's really annoying when some thug comes up and starts bashing your opinion for god knows what reason
when you say "give an inch take a mile" you're implying that more SC2 features will be implemented (in the context of what we were talking about), so what exactly were you referring to? seemed like you had your panties in a bunch over something so i assumed you were talking about gameplay related stuff (which imo is a reasonable assumption to make.. because why else would you get "upset" over any of this?).
Edit: Please tell me EXACTLY what you're referring to when you say "give an inch take a mile", let's get to the bottom of this bro.
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It would be really cool if they kept the rankings F-S but it doesn't change anything. The rank names could be different types of cheese and I wouldn't care as long as they had an MMR. Of all the things for people to get upset about the rank names makes the least amount of sense to me.
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LOL ok, I mean Blizzard has a pretty bad history with coming into starcraft and fucking shit up. Here I'm referring to the dev of SC2 while dismantling Kespa and professional BW circa 2010. Basically Blizzard used a lot of money to invest in getting Koreans to attempt a massive swap. They wanted to make money on Korea. They wouldn't even let LAN play happen because they wanted to make money in Korea. So greedy.
Blizzard also has a super bad habit of implementing complete shit and relying on community feedback to find solutions. This happens sort of in general; Blizzard won't fix something unless a ton of community backlash occurs. That's why they have Blizzard forums with tons of whiny posts. Edit: Some examples: SC2 balance was fuckin aweful, and still is. Bnet 2.0 was fuckin aweful, and for all I know it probably still is. Didn't even have chat channels when it launched? Like come on. That's some god aweful development. Like how do you screw something up people got right in the 90's when the internet was actually new? No LAN-play? This fucked up a bunch of tournament matches due to latency or drop problems. Took them FOREVER to implement the replay feature, where the game could start from a replay. This solved the drop-problems for tournaments. But it's still a fuckin band-aid solution. The hype is lost when a match is paused and reloaded. Also why didn't they actually implemented this replay feature in the beginning, and why did it take SO LONG to implement? "too hard to implement"? What a joke. Some random college student hacked together an example and posted here on teamliquid. Without the fucking source code of sc2. A college student. Then Blizzard finally took their fingers out their ass and got in the replay thing. But don't forget, this was all a problem because no LAN play, which is a retarded and greedy decision to begin with.
So now here we are, and the same kind of dev-process and disrespect of brood war can be seen in some of the SC:R development. It's natural to get pissy considering the longer history. It's a valid opinion to be annoyed at Blizzard touching Brood War.
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man this bw elitist paranoia is hilarious
should be fun playing all this
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I was never a fan of such stuff and really disliked the bloated profile/achievement stuff in sc2.
Actually I would have been happy with the old profile and additionally statistics like:
- played race
- played map
- average apm
- average gametime
Well at the end of the day i wont bother much with this but it could be nice for some old players and some new players expect such minigames (unlock avaters etc) like drug addicts nowadays
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On May 27 2017 15:35 TibbersCute wrote:+ Show Spoiler +LOL ok, I mean Blizzard has a pretty bad history with coming into starcraft and fucking shit up. Here I'm referring to the dev of SC2 while dismantling Kespa and professional BW circa 2010. Basically Blizzard used a lot of money to invest in getting Koreans to attempt a massive swap. They wanted to make money on Korea. They wouldn't even let LAN play happen because they wanted to make money in Korea. So greedy.
Blizzard also has a super bad habit of implementing complete shit and relying on community feedback to find solutions. This happens sort of in general; Blizzard won't fix something unless a ton of community backlash occurs. That's why they have Blizzard forums with tons of whiny posts. Edit: Some examples: SC2 balance was fuckin aweful, and still is. Bnet 2.0 was fuckin aweful, and for all I know it probably still is. Didn't even have chat channels when it launched? Like come on. That's some god aweful development. Like how do you screw something up people got right in the 90's when the internet was actually new? No LAN-play? This fucked up a bunch of tournament matches due to latency or drop problems. Took them FOREVER to implement the replay feature, where the game could start from a replay. This solved the drop-problems for tournaments. But it's still a fuckin band-aid solution. The hype is lost when a match is paused and reloaded. Also why didn't they actually implemented this replay feature in the beginning, and why did it take SO LONG to implement? "too hard to implement"? What a joke. Some random college student hacked together an example and posted here on teamliquid. Without the fucking source code of sc2. A college student. Then Blizzard finally took their fingers out their ass and got in the replay thing. But don't forget, this was all a problem because no LAN play, which is a retarded and greedy decision to begin with.
So now here we are, and the same kind of dev-process and disrespect of brood war can be seen in some of the SC:R development. It's natural to get pissy considering the longer history. It's a valid opinion to be annoyed at Blizzard touching Brood War.
Tibbers. If you had come out and said THAT instead of your dumb pseudo mystery inch/mile crap you would not be making such a fool of yourself. You called TT1 a lazy player and continued to insult one of the oldest and in some people's opinions one of the best foreign Protoss players in history with your disrespect. Your whole posting in JUST this thread makes you look extremely foolish. Just come out and say what you want to say up front and quit being a jerk.
THAT BEING SAID.
The whole gold/silver/bronze rankings falls in line with ALL their other games in terms of rankings. This is NOT new. Ranks E - S was devised by Koreans/Fish/Abyss and while it's what most of us BW players grew up with, we need to acknowledge that with the face lift to the game, B.Net is getting it as well. This is not a change that will break the game and I feel it is amazingly cool to see all the different stats. I would LOVE to get to know my gaming history better.
New profiles are cool. The improvements to this game are good although it's been abit rocky, they keep going in a good direction as opposed to what happened with Diablo/HOTS/SC2 and currently OverWatch (As in, they are fucking ruining those games for no god damn reason other than they have idiots running those games).
I'd say, they finally have ONE department doing something RIGHT for once. I wish they had gone with ShieldBattery as the platform but I can respect them wanting to use their own thing.
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On May 27 2017 15:35 TibbersCute wrote:
LOL ok, I mean Blizzard has a pretty bad history with coming into starcraft and fucking shit up. Here I'm referring to the dev of SC2 while dismantling Kespa and professional BW circa 2010. Basically Blizzard used a lot of money to invest in getting Koreans to attempt a massive swap. They wanted to make money on Korea. They wouldn't even let LAN play happen because they wanted to make money in Korea. So greedy.
Blizzard also has a super bad habit of implementing complete shit and relying on community feedback to find solutions. This happens sort of in general; Blizzard won't fix something unless a ton of community backlash occurs. That's why they have Blizzard forums with tons of whiny posts. Edit: Some examples: SC2 balance was fuckin aweful, and still is. Bnet 2.0 was fuckin aweful, and for all I know it probably still is. Didn't even have chat channels when it launched? Like come on. That's some god aweful development. Like how do you screw something up people got right in the 90's when the internet was actually new?
So now here we are, and the same kind of dev-process and disrespect of brood war can be seen in some of the SC:R development. It's natural to get pissy considering the longer history. It's a valid opinion to be annoyed at Blizzard touching Brood War.
I can respect that point of view even tho it's an elitist view, i don't have anything against loyalist BW supporters who've invested a lot of time into the game and love it. Personally i'm not worried about them "fucking up the game" because they have to answer to Korea. They won't let them mess up the project, Blizzard has nothing to gain by doing so (they'd just destroy their reputation in Korea and lose a ton of supporters, it would just be a terrible business move).
Everything that the dev team has done and said so far leads me to think that SC:R is heading in the right path.. and like i said Korea isn't gonna let them mess this up. If they're not happy with the final product they'll just stick to 1.16 until Blizzard gets it right, it's as simple as that. 1.16 isn't going anywhere and Blizzard has too much invested into the project to have it fail.
That said, we're in a thread talking about the new profiles.. and well they look sweet  . If you'd like them to implement F - S ranks thats fine too, i have no issue with that. I just wanted to understand your thought process because "ladder groupings" mean very little in reality.
Imo the only thing that really matters is your rank and rating, everything else is just useless fluff. Fish has ladder ranks to make it easier for people to ladder and rank up (they don't have a matchmaking system, it's manual ladder). Blizzard's ladder (matchmaking) is a completely different system and F - S ranks (even Bronze to GM) aren't really relevant/needed, like i said it's just fluff.
Anywho, glad we could clarify all that shiet ^_^
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On May 27 2017 15:56 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:
Tibbers. If you had come out and said THAT instead of your dumb pseudo mystery inch/mile crap you would not be making such a fool of yourself. You called TT1 a lazy player and continued to insult one of the oldest and in some people's opinions one of the best foreign Protoss players in history with your disrespect. Your whole posting in JUST this thread makes you look extremely foolish. Just come out and say what you want to say up front and quick being a jerk.
I've seen him play for over a decade. I know who he is, and I know he thinks he's lazy too. He told me himself the other day in Scan's twitch chat. Also yeah he's a totally good Protoss, but he also called my opinion dumb and illogical. The way you and him engage with me makes us all look foolish. I just wanted to chime in about the A-F rank thing, and now look where we are.
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You fired the first shots. And quit talking like you got history here. Post on your main, not your alt. Otherwise you have NONE in my eyes and no respect either. And don't group me in with YOUR foolishness.
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On May 27 2017 16:06 TibbersCute wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2017 15:56 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:
Tibbers. If you had come out and said THAT instead of your dumb pseudo mystery inch/mile crap you would not be making such a fool of yourself. You called TT1 a lazy player and continued to insult one of the oldest and in some people's opinions one of the best foreign Protoss players in history with your disrespect. Your whole posting in JUST this thread makes you look extremely foolish. Just come out and say what you want to say up front and quick being a jerk. I've seen him play for over a decade. I know who he is, and I know he thinks he's lazy too. He told me himself the other day in Scan's twitch chat. Also yeah he's a totally good Protoss, but he also called my opinion dumb and illogical. The way you and him engage with me makes us all look foolish. I just wanted to chime in about the A-F rank thing, and now look where we are.
to be fair i didnt know what your opinion was, you were being vague (give an inch, take a mile!.. in regards to what?!) and i just assumed you were talking about gameplay related stuff. all i wanted to know was why you want them to implement F to S ranks as opposed to Bronze to GM because that's honestly not a very big deal (i explained why in previous posts).
and most of the things i say on ppl's stream is me trying to avoid giving a direct answer, i dont really like answering questions when im on other ppl's stream. i dont really remember our conversation but if i said i was "lazy" it probably has to do with me streaming, which is true
only 3 more hours to kill before Shine vs Bisu starts.. :D
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On May 27 2017 16:10 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:
You fired the first shots.
This was the first shot. It's making implications like what I'm saying is dumb, outlandish.
@TT1 All good, to be honest I was teasing you about lazy because I like your play and want to see more. Edit: Oh and about relaxing, eeeehhhh. I was pretty relaxed at original SC2 release, and wasted way too much time trying to play it like a real Brood War successor. Sometimes being skeptical is a good thing.
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why wasn't none of this added to sc2? looks great
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United States12240 Posts
On May 27 2017 12:45 TT1 wrote:looks s i c k Show nested quote +On May 27 2017 12:07 TibbersCute wrote:
Not ganna lie, pretty upset at seeing some weird Bronze symbol in there instead of A-F. Why? Pretty sure points = ladder rating right? As long as they give your exact rating and server rank i dont really care if the "ladder groupings" are F to S or Bronze to GM. All i care about is my rating and server rank.
I actually disagree that "points = ladder rating". Internally, Blizzard has always used "rating" to refer to a skill rating. "Points" are reserved for a parallel, player-facing ranking system. They've also shown an affinity toward separate "internal" and "external" ratings and I don't think this will be any different. Points will probably be partially driven by activity like always (this doesn't mean the return of the bonus pool, but perhaps some decay for higher-level players, as in Overwatch/WoW/HotS?).
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On May 27 2017 16:24 TibbersCute wrote:This was the first shot. It's making implications like what I'm saying is dumb, outlandish.
Whatever helps you sleep at night.
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This makes me excited thinking what would come to Warcraft III soon with the PTR. Awesome
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side question: does anyone know the possible minimal computer configuration for BWR ? I'm starting to get worried as my current one is an old shit from 2007.
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No worries ppp87. It's the same engine so anything from early 2000's will run the game just fine. Even if it looks shiny, it's not going to break any records. A PC from 2007 should have no problems.... Unless it's LITERALLY a potato computer.
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They said it will be close requirements to Hearthstone with is:
Recomended: Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 2.2 GHz/AMD Athlon 64 X2 2.6 GHz, 4 GB RAM, graphic 512 MB GeForce 8800 GT/Radeon HD or better
Minimal: Intel Pentium D 2 GHz/AMD Athlon 64 X2 2 GHz, 2 GB RAM, graphic 256 MB GeForce 6800/Radeon X1600 Pro lor better
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No matter how cool anything BW related looks, I am not interested until official announcement of automatic matchmaking and Ladder.
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HYPE
Haven't felt real hype since jesus was born. here's to hoping we get some sweet matchmaking and some sweet reminiscing.
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On May 27 2017 06:47 eviltomahawk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2017 06:40 yestaiga wrote:
why silver bronze gold and not F rank - S Rank. Im sad They ain't iccup. They'll probably use a similar system to the ladders in popular games nowadays.
but they are fish, which highly surprises me that they seem to implement metal rankings... i highly dislike this sc2 content T_T
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On May 27 2017 15:35 TibbersCute wrote:
LOL ok, I mean Blizzard has a pretty bad history with coming into starcraft and fucking shit up. Here I'm referring to the dev of SC2 while dismantling Kespa and professional BW circa 2010. Basically Blizzard used a lot of money to invest in getting Koreans to attempt a massive swap. They wanted to make money on Korea. They wouldn't even let LAN play happen because they wanted to make money in Korea. So greedy.
Blizzard also has a super bad habit of implementing complete shit and relying on community feedback to find solutions. This happens sort of in general; Blizzard won't fix something unless a ton of community backlash occurs. That's why they have Blizzard forums with tons of whiny posts. Edit: Some examples: SC2 balance was fuckin aweful, and still is. Bnet 2.0 was fuckin aweful, and for all I know it probably still is. Didn't even have chat channels when it launched? Like come on. That's some god aweful development. Like how do you screw something up people got right in the 90's when the internet was actually new? No LAN-play? This fucked up a bunch of tournament matches due to latency or drop problems. Took them FOREVER to implement the replay feature, where the game could start from a replay. This solved the drop-problems for tournaments. But it's still a fuckin band-aid solution. The hype is lost when a match is paused and reloaded. Also why didn't they actually implemented this replay feature in the beginning, and why did it take SO LONG to implement? "too hard to implement"? What a joke. Some random college student hacked together an example and posted here on teamliquid. Without the fucking source code of sc2. A college student. Then Blizzard finally took their fingers out their ass and got in the replay thing. But don't forget, this was all a problem because no LAN play, which is a retarded and greedy decision to begin with.
So now here we are, and the same kind of dev-process and disrespect of brood war can be seen in some of the SC:R development. It's natural to get pissy considering the longer history. It's a valid opinion to be annoyed at Blizzard touching Brood War.
yea
why should be tolerated that people who are responsibe for al the "sc"2 shit are touching my game
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i cant wait to see sc2 grand masters in bronze league !!!
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On May 27 2017 18:28 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
i cant wait to see sc2 grand masters in bronze league !!!
oh god ME TOO. It will be like a divine justice of some kind
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I dont mind any of the features per se, but the whole interface looks a little...sc2 ish to me. Icky.
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France1920 Posts
On May 27 2017 18:28 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
i cant wait to see sc2 grand masters in bronze league !!!
ahah
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Hmm it is a bit SC2-ish. I do feel for the devs though. It's a really hard job to try and work on something set in stone for so long. Especially with a really old community. It can be really hard to relate to an old community.
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I like this, pretty awesome. If we could bring the old bnet channels into sc2 it would be awesome. Surely one of the main reason one sc2 felt appart.
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Wow, it looks amazing!
On May 27 2017 18:28 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
i cant wait to see sc2 grand masters in bronze league !!!
oh lul !!
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On May 27 2017 07:32 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2017 07:04 f10eqq wrote:
Looks great. Only thing I would add is maybe map statistics / map vetos like SC2 has (assuming there's an official map pool). Also support for match-pickers would be really good I think. You get to pre-select what race you want to play vs. what opponent race. That's pretty key IMO for a lot of Terrans and Zergs.
Jealous I respect you but those race traitors need to learn and play the manly matchup TvT <3
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Why is the average APM so important to be shown this big on one of the main pages of the profile?
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On May 27 2017 20:15 AbouSV wrote:
Why is the average APM so important to be shown this big on one of the main pages of the profile?
big apm = big penis
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On May 27 2017 20:15 AbouSV wrote:
Why is the average APM so important to be shown this big on one of the main pages of the profile?
I am afraid to say that low APM players will never understand it 
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I haven't seen anyone mention this.
"Cloud saves keep your replays a click away on any computer. Access an overview or rewatch the action!"
That's pretty cool, and something SC2 doesn't even have.
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On May 27 2017 18:13 RedW4rr10r wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2017 06:47 eviltomahawk wrote:On May 27 2017 06:40 yestaiga wrote:
why silver bronze gold and not F rank - S Rank. Im sad They ain't iccup. They'll probably use a similar system to the ladders in popular games nowadays. but they are fish, which highly surprises me that they seem to implement metal rankings... i highly dislike this sc2 content T_T
yeah me too. I highly dislike the "metal rankings". I think this sort of modern ranking system is designed to be non-transparent. You are presented with a multitude of different graphs that show a lot of irrelevant stuff. Total mining rate across all games. Achievements unlocked. Dear god i hope the don't haver achievements.
Biggest problem is that there's an internal rating and a external rating/ rank connected to a certain number of points. In Starcraft 2, as long as i followed those discussions, ranking was opaque at best. The fact that internal ratings decay and you had this "bonus pool" thing in Sc2 made it very unappealing to me.
My intuition towards Sc2 ranks was, that it's meant to appease the Ego of us gamers. Being "solid D+" on ICCup sounds the way it is. You're a beginner, nothing fancy. Being a top 4 of Division 32 Diamond player and having all those fancy decals and achievements leaves a different impression.
That being said, i don't mind if ranking serve our e-phalli, but i do mind if i have no clear impression of where i'm at. Im very much aware that there are issues with the ranking system's of ICCup/FISH too, but at least they are straight forward.
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Looks great, and informative plus the about me section is always welcome
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I expect 8 out of 10 games to be vP matchups in the start kek
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Seems like Bliz really trying to do a good job from the beginning.
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Looks cool but I abhor the fact that it seems like they're sticking with bronze to grand master leagues. In my short time of playing this game F-S has become this highly respected status symbol. I want to keep climbing and eventually reach the top of the top ranks (as far as foreigners goes..).
Blizzard disbanding the 1.16 ladder was the first blow, while not giving me a working alternative (yes unfortunately I still have a lot of issues on my PC* with 1.18) so I could keep playing and climbing. This will be the second one. And yes I take this game very seriously.
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On May 27 2017 20:39 Cele wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2017 18:13 RedW4rr10r wrote:On May 27 2017 06:47 eviltomahawk wrote:On May 27 2017 06:40 yestaiga wrote:
why silver bronze gold and not F rank - S Rank. Im sad They ain't iccup. They'll probably use a similar system to the ladders in popular games nowadays. but they are fish, which highly surprises me that they seem to implement metal rankings... i highly dislike this sc2 content T_T yeah me too. I highly dislike the "metal rankings". I think this sort of modern ranking system is designed to be non-transparent. You are presented with a multitude of different graphs that show a lot of irrelevant stuff. Total mining rate across all games. Achievements unlocked. Dear god i hope the don't haver achievements. Biggest problem is that there's an internal rating and a external rating/ rank connected to a certain number of points. In Starcraft 2, as long as i followed those discussions, ranking was opaque at best. The fact that internal ratings decay and you had this "bonus pool" thing in Sc2 made it very unappealing to me. My intuition towards Sc2 ranks was, that it's meant to appease the Ego of us gamers. Being "solid D+" on ICCup sounds the way it is. You're a beginner, nothing fancy. Being a top 4 of Division 32 Diamond player and having all those fancy decals and achievements leaves a different impression. That being said, i don't mind if ranking serve our e-phalli, but i do mind if i have no clear impression of where i'm at. Im very much aware that there are issues with the ranking system's of ICCup/FISH too, but at least they are straight forward.
Hello,
since... I don't really remember when, but sc2 had an update that implemented showing actual MMR. This was because many felt like you do, so nobody really cares about points anymore, only your MMR vs opponent MMR.
Blizzard were scared that casual players would be put off by a shown MMR. Not sure if they were right or not, but I'm hoping they will let us see our actual MMR in SC:R and not a fictional point system. We don't know yet though, what they call "points" could be our actual MMR. Let's wait for the announcements before we make any conclusions!
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i did talk with fish admin and he said fish will not have MM,so u will have F-S on fish.from my perspective .F and S has only real value on Fish with the skill lvl there is.iccup system is f*cked,anyone can reach A-.
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Wow it looks cool! Way better than the previous one!
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No MM on fish seems sad, i think many casual koreans will switch to other servers, except is no another asia server jet lol and yes, iccup system is trash now, every C can be A- rank. Its like real ladder starts from A- now lol.
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On May 27 2017 18:28 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
i cant wait to see sc2 grand masters in bronze league !!!
I know this is a tongue in cheek comment, but they will do fine, if they want. It may be unpopular among some posters here but as far as the foreign scene goes the highest echelon is more competitive in Sc2 with most of the best bw players switching, most Wc3 pros from EU switching and a lot of good players from other RTS also. The players who will really struggle with a switch are players below masters in Sc2 who never played bw before. Sc2 is just more casual friendly compared to bw, but then again so is pretty much every other game..
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I don't understand what the difference is between Bronze to Masters and F-S. Honestly, it's exactly the same system, but the ranks have a different name.
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sc2 players can just pick protoss and get gold instead ^ ^
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Pretty Nice to see. I hope it comes out soon. Im really excited
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On May 27 2017 21:08 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
i did talk with fish admin and he said fish will not have MM,so u will have F-S on fish.from my perspective .F and S has only real value on Fish with the skill lvl there is.iccup system is f*cked,anyone can reach A-.
that's just not true. Yes, ranks have been inflated on ICCup, and you can get higher. But even if you abuse hardcore, you'll not get any higher then C maybe if your "true skill" is soild D. Other D ranks stop joining your game when you're C and higher, you know?
Not everybody has time to grind 600 ladder games to make A- either. This argument you're presenting was wrong when it first was brought up. And it's being repeated by players who have no idea what you can or can not achieve on lower skill levels.
@sd_andeh: yeah i dimly recall they changed it in LOTV. I hope it won't take em that long to have it the same way in SC:R tho. Ofc im hoping for visible MMR right of the bat, as most of us do.
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this only shows you have no idea then.iccup new system is trash.and for 2x2 is even worse,top 2v2 players that did work hard to get high ranks are watching how any noob is making the same ranks.At the same time the old system was obsolete with the lack of players there is.all in all you need a big crew to get something real.
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On May 28 2017 00:06 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
this only shows you have no idea then.iccup new system is trash.and for 2x2 is even worse,top 2v2 players that did work hard to get high ranks are watching how any noob is making the same ranks.At the same time the old system was obsolete with the lack of players there is.all in all you need a big crew to get something real.
I can name you 2 dozen people from the top of my head who can not reach A- in a season. Yet you claim im wrong. You are the one here who has a limited understanding of where a low skill (even middle) can get, when you don't have time to play THAT much. Yes new ICCup system has flaws but as you said yourself, old one wouldn't work with today's playerbase. What's worse? Players making A- who don't really deserve it or having 8 smurfs on C+ ?
For lower levels, having less smurfs on ladder was a good thing. Activity got up becoz of that change, not down. So what do you aim to say?
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well tell them they are doing it wrong,you can clearly reach A- playing d ranks.
about the smurfs.yeah good joke ,the sad part of everything is that the abusers stop playing when hit high ranks and back with new ids to do the same again...
and activity,i dont really know where the numbers are going.
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Looks pretty good. Does seem though like your ingame name will either be your battle.net account name (so you have to create a new b.net acc for each account) or will at least have to be unique from now on.
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koreans in ygosu think fish should die and go away. Everone should be mergng in one server on either asia or us west i heard
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On May 28 2017 00:37 Shinokuki wrote:
koreans in ygosu think fish should die and go away. Everone should be mergng in one server on either asia or us west i heard
Thank you for your repeatedly valuable insights into the state of mind of every korean. Maybe you're right, maybe you're not. For now I can't help but think about how Trump wouldn't even get out of the primaries.
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On May 27 2017 18:28 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
i cant wait to see sc2 grand masters in bronze league !!!
Maybe they will be in the beginning.
If they really try hard to improve they will quickly rise to the higher ranks in bw.
You may not like to hear it but the basics are very similar. If you have the fundamentals to be good at one RTS game you can be good at all of them.
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On May 28 2017 00:14 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
well tell them they are doing it wrong,you can clearly reach A- playing d ranks.
Difference is, you play this D rank and think he's slightly better then your average D rank, but crush him anyway. True D rank loses in a horrible fashion and wonders what happened, /w his opp "max rank????" after game. It flatters you, but you're too good to see differences in lower play levels. From the mountain, hills and valleys look like roughly the same height.
introducing SC2 Ranks (with hidden MMR, if that's what they are doing) is like fog all the way between the mountain top and the deepest valley. It makes people forget, how much there is to climb to get to the top. And i clearly would resent any ladder that works that way.
[/silly geographical analogy]
+ Show Spoiler +ASL Spoiler incoming. Don't click if you don't wanna read it! + Show Spoiler +Also im but-hurt bcoz Bisu lost to Shine. WHATTHEHELL?
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Does that mean a disconnect doesn't count as a loss? :O
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I like it, I'm looking forward to playing.
Also... it's amazing how people find a way to complain about even this.
Just don't buy it. Keep playing original bw, that's what you were doing anyway, nobody will take that from you.
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shouting matches about how blizzard might ruin BW:HD
won't regular BW still exist? just go play that like you've been doing for the past 20 years
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"Good" protoss players never need to hack. Ever. Once a cheater always a cheater.
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On May 28 2017 01:57 ShambhalaWar wrote:
I like it, I'm looking forward to playing.
Also... it's amazing how people find a way to complain about even this.
Just don't buy it. Keep playing original bw, that's what you were doing anyway, nobody will take that from you.
It's amazing how people find reason to complain about a discussion. If you don't like discussions, don't visit the forum and have your peace. Nobody will take that from you.
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On May 28 2017 00:00 Cele wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2017 21:08 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
i did talk with fish admin and he said fish will not have MM,so u will have F-S on fish.from my perspective .F and S has only real value on Fish with the skill lvl there is.iccup system is f*cked,anyone can reach A-. that's just not true. Yes, ranks have been inflated on ICCup, and you can get higher. But even if you abuse hardcore, you'll not get any higher then C maybe if your "true skill" is soild D. Other D ranks stop joining your game when you're C and higher, you know? Not everybody has time to grind 600 ladder games to make A- either. This argument you're presenting was wrong when it first was brought up. And it's being repeated by players who have no idea what you can or can not achieve on lower skill levels.
Although this is mostly true, take a look at this:
https://iccup.com/en/starcraft/matchlist/7960012/1x1.html
Lovely_kayoung 1x1 108W-1L
I understand this is most likely an outlying scenario, but still, you need to acknowledge this sort of stuff when it happens, ICCup has weaknesses as a server.
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On May 28 2017 02:37 JungleTerrain wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2017 00:00 Cele wrote:On May 27 2017 21:08 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
i did talk with fish admin and he said fish will not have MM,so u will have F-S on fish.from my perspective .F and S has only real value on Fish with the skill lvl there is.iccup system is f*cked,anyone can reach A-. that's just not true. Yes, ranks have been inflated on ICCup, and you can get higher. But even if you abuse hardcore, you'll not get any higher then C maybe if your "true skill" is soild D. Other D ranks stop joining your game when you're C and higher, you know? Not everybody has time to grind 600 ladder games to make A- either. This argument you're presenting was wrong when it first was brought up. And it's being repeated by players who have no idea what you can or can not achieve on lower skill levels. Although this is mostly true, take a look at this: https://iccup.com/en/starcraft/matchlist/7960012/1x1.htmlLovely_kayoung 1x1 108W-1L I understand this is most likely an outlying scenario, but still, you need to acknowledge this sort of stuff when it happens, ICCup has weaknesses as a server.
yeah it has. Eon just exaggerated it i think. That dude is no D player btw. If you take a look through the matchhistory, he farmed D ranks mostly but also won against C ranks where he met him. The player you linked is probably a good bit better then D rank, perhaps not good enough to reach A- the hard way.
Compare it to this Account. Close to 250 games, D rank, 33% winratio. There's still legitimate competition on lower levels, i think some higher player just fail to see that. Well i disgress. I acknowledge the weaknesses current ICCup ladder has but think, it's way better then some people claim.
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On May 28 2017 02:45 Cele wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2017 02:37 JungleTerrain wrote:On May 28 2017 00:00 Cele wrote:On May 27 2017 21:08 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
i did talk with fish admin and he said fish will not have MM,so u will have F-S on fish.from my perspective .F and S has only real value on Fish with the skill lvl there is.iccup system is f*cked,anyone can reach A-. that's just not true. Yes, ranks have been inflated on ICCup, and you can get higher. But even if you abuse hardcore, you'll not get any higher then C maybe if your "true skill" is soild D. Other D ranks stop joining your game when you're C and higher, you know? Not everybody has time to grind 600 ladder games to make A- either. This argument you're presenting was wrong when it first was brought up. And it's being repeated by players who have no idea what you can or can not achieve on lower skill levels. Although this is mostly true, take a look at this: https://iccup.com/en/starcraft/matchlist/7960012/1x1.htmlLovely_kayoung 1x1 108W-1L I understand this is most likely an outlying scenario, but still, you need to acknowledge this sort of stuff when it happens, ICCup has weaknesses as a server. yeah it has. Eon just exaggerated it i think. That dude is no D player btw. If you take a look through the matchhistory, he farmed D ranks mostly but also won against C ranks where he met him. The player you linked is probably a good bit better then D rank, perhaps not good enough to reach A- the hard way. Compare it to this Account. Close to 250 games, D rank, 33% winratio. There's still legitimate competition on lower levels, i think some higher player just fail to see that. Well i disgress. I acknowledge the weaknesses current ICCup ladder has but think, it's way better then some people claim.
I honestly really like ICCup and it was so much fun back when i played and number of users hovered around 2000. Unfortunately the problems with the ladder seem to be external to the server, mostly because of a lack of activity. I personally also prefer the F to S ranks, the metallic ranks make me think of MOBA games or something like that and I think it's weird for BW, but eh, it's cosmetics.
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I am max C/C+ hit A- by playing another D/C ranks. Checkmate ggnore. Any chobo like me can do it if only have time to play 150-200 games with is not a big number if you have 3 months to do it. iCCup new system is trash if u think ranks reflect skillz, and its ok if u just wanna play for fun and dont care about is rank = skill. And 2v2 is even worse cuz now even D+ can hit A-. As i said, real ladder now on iccup starts from A-. Under A- u cant be sure, avs who are you playing cuz it canbe DCBA on any rank.
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On May 27 2017 21:08 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
i did talk with fish admin and he said fish will not have MM,so u will have F-S on fish.from my perspective .F and S has only real value on Fish with the skill lvl there is.iccup system is f*cked,anyone can reach A-.
Oh really? That sucks that they won't have MM. I would have been happy if they kept F-S, but also had match making. Guess it's not that big of a deal as it's very easy to get games on there. Was hoping Fish would have MM, but they would control the map lists/rankings.
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On May 28 2017 03:35 aFF]ZuluNAtion[ wrote:
I am max C/C+ hit A- by playing another D/C ranks. Checkmate ggnore. Any chobo like me can do it if only have time to play 150-200 games with is not a big number if you have 3 months to do it. iCCup new system is trash if u think ranks reflect skillz, and its ok if u just wanna play for fun and dont care about is rank = skill. And 2v2 is even worse cuz now even D+ can hit A-. As i said, real ladder now on iccup starts from A-. Under A- u cant be sure, avs who are you playing cuz it canbe DCBA on any rank.
https://iccup.com/en/starcraft/gamingprofile/aFF］ZuluNation.html You were making C+ with 75% winrate back in season 14. 25-0 C- Season 19. Clearly, you are not a noob? Yeah that's totally the same thing as the account i linked above. D rank with 250 games in Season 39 or something. ggnore.
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The matchmaking system looks to be pretty awesome. Makes me want to play again
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it looks amazing even though i dislike the bronze, silver, gold, bullshit. every game has that system now. i'm wondering how it'll translate. i think it'll be like this:
D-/D =Bronze
D+ =Silver
C-/C =Gold
C+/B- =Platinum
B/A- = Masters
A/olympic= Grand Master
Hopefully it'll be like that so getting a decent rank would be worth it and mean something, when i played SC2, i got platinum without knowing builds and just being a D+ iccup player
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Season 14 C+ was like D+ now... Im like C 150-150 now , when i play vs same rank but was able to make A- by stupidity of this new system.
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The Bronze-Master and A-F debate is real, lol.
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On May 28 2017 06:08 CecilSunkure wrote:
The Bronze-Master and A-F debate is real, lol.
I think the real reason is because it resembles SC2 and other popular games. That and the associated ideas that come with bringing BW into the limelight. I think it's understandable in the context that people have stuck with this game for so long and they have definitely attached to it, through thick and thin.
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On May 28 2017 05:43 RaNgeD wrote:
The matchmaking system looks to be pretty awesome. Makes me want to play again
Holy shit son. Welcome back.
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If only they would be useing F - S ranks
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On May 27 2017 20:24 Netto. wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2017 20:15 AbouSV wrote:
Why is the average APM so important to be shown this big on one of the main pages of the profile? I am afraid to say that low APM players will never understand it
I not low APM. I'm incredibly low APY (action per year). Especially the 10 last years.
But I see that it's not really worth asking stuff around :/
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Hyped. This looked super cool
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Looks good overall, but don't like the CC in the background. Not only is it taking up lots of wasted screen space, but the windows are transparent.
I don't have much faith in Blizzard after bnet 2.0, so lets hope other people are in charge of this...
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On May 28 2017 08:00 Hotshot wrote:
Looks good overall, but don't like the CC in the background. Not only is it taking up lots of wasted screen space, but the windows are transparent.
I don't have much faith in Blizzard after bnet 2.0, so lets hope other people are in charge of this...
The windows don't look transparent to me in the pics...
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On May 28 2017 08:10 eviltomahawk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2017 08:00 Hotshot wrote:
Looks good overall, but don't like the CC in the background. Not only is it taking up lots of wasted screen space, but the windows are transparent.
I don't have much faith in Blizzard after bnet 2.0, so lets hope other people are in charge of this... The windows don't look transparent to me in the pics...
Not sure why you can't see it, because almost every background of any interface (even the buttons, chat window, header, etc) are all transparent. It's possible you are either thinking of something else, or perhaps you have a very low end TN monitor that can't produce the colors??
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On May 28 2017 09:05 Hotshot wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2017 08:10 eviltomahawk wrote:On May 28 2017 08:00 Hotshot wrote:
Looks good overall, but don't like the CC in the background. Not only is it taking up lots of wasted screen space, but the windows are transparent.
I don't have much faith in Blizzard after bnet 2.0, so lets hope other people are in charge of this... The windows don't look transparent to me in the pics... Not sure why you can't see it, because almost every background of any interface (even the buttons, chat window, header, etc) are all transparent. It's possible you are either thinking of something else, or perhaps you have a very low end TN monitor that can't produce the colors??
Oh i see it now. The lighting wasn't very good for me when I took a look the last time on my phone. I personally think the transparency is opaque enough that the background isn't too distracting.
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lol please none of that bullshit mmr promotion/demotion system
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Lol at people complaining about the completely arbitrary rank names. Not only is it completely meaningless, but you could argue that the three tiered system used in sc2 nowadays (masters 1, masters 2, masters 3, etc.) is closer to the old WGT/Gamei system since they had A1,A2,A3 instead of A-/A/A+. Also, everyone compared ratings not the arbitrary rank groupings.
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On May 27 2017 20:35 InfCereal wrote:
I haven't seen anyone mention this.
"Cloud saves keep your replays a click away on any computer. Access an overview or rewatch the action!"
That's pretty cool, and something SC2 doesn't even have.
Yep.
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Bad: SC:R is missing league tiers. Leagues will be too big, like they were before SC2 added league tiers.
Good: There's no bonus pool. No division rank. Both should be removed from SC2 or at the least deprioritized by making it less prominent and MMR more prominent.
Points better be MMR.
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On May 28 2017 07:02 AbouSV wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2017 20:24 Netto. wrote:On May 27 2017 20:15 AbouSV wrote:
Why is the average APM so important to be shown this big on one of the main pages of the profile? I am afraid to say that low APM players will never understand it I not low APM. I'm incredibly low APY (action per year). Especially the 10 last years. But I see that it's not really worth asking stuff around :/
Cause pride over your APM has always been a thing in Broodwar especially, nothing more impressive than say watching at least on the old days, Bisu for example having like 400+ apm or around there and being everywhere at once or Nada/July for other races, just a big number thing i think.
Atleast for me I only hit C on iccup(old system ages ago) but always have 250-300 which is just fun to see really
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On May 28 2017 12:04 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2017 07:02 AbouSV wrote:On May 27 2017 20:24 Netto. wrote:On May 27 2017 20:15 AbouSV wrote:
Why is the average APM so important to be shown this big on one of the main pages of the profile? I am afraid to say that low APM players will never understand it I not low APM. I'm incredibly low APY (action per year). Especially the 10 last years. But I see that it's not really worth asking stuff around :/ Cause pride over your APM has always been a thing in Broodwar especially, nothing more impressive than say watching at least on the old days, Bisu for example having like 400+ apm or around there and being everywhere at once or Nada/July for other races, just a big number thing i think. Atleast for me I only hit C on iccup(old system ages ago) but always have 250-300 which is just fun to see really
Oh, ok, thanks!
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It would be nice to add a tab to see your friend's profile!
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On May 28 2017 09:42 f10eqq wrote:
Lol at people complaining about the completely arbitrary rank names. Not only is it completely meaningless, but you could argue that the three tiered system used in sc2 nowadays (masters 1, masters 2, masters 3, etc.) is closer to the old WGT/Gamei system since they had A1,A2,A3 instead of A-/A/A+. Also, everyone compared ratings not the arbitrary rank groupings.
They are only arbitrary in your mind. To me they represent a status symbol and a well-ingrained metric that gets most of its value out of the fact that it has been the norm for almost 2 decades. It allows players to go back and compare themselves to iconic players of the past. It gives them clear, understandable goals to work towards.
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I wish they abolish that useless tab named Popular Games.
Ranks would be nice to have iCCup or Fish classes. Avoiding SC2 comparison would be better.
Also, I always found the division system in SC2 uncalled for. Having a global rank is better than a useless and meaningless standalone rank. People would argue "oh whats the point to know im ranked 71.645th??? Id rather be 15th in my division". Well, the point is: you are the 71.645th best playa in da worl. It holds more value than saying you are 15th in your division.
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Imagine actually caring about letter grade ranks over "metal" ranks.
One is a letter and one is shiny, both say the same shit. Find another battle to fight to show how much you hate sc2 or whatever lol. I think this looks pretty sick.
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On May 29 2017 01:13 B-royal wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2017 09:42 f10eqq wrote:
Lol at people complaining about the completely arbitrary rank names. Not only is it completely meaningless, but you could argue that the three tiered system used in sc2 nowadays (masters 1, masters 2, masters 3, etc.) is closer to the old WGT/Gamei system since they had A1,A2,A3 instead of A-/A/A+. Also, everyone compared ratings not the arbitrary rank groupings. They are only arbitrary in your mind. To me they represent a status symbol and a well-ingrained metric that gets most of its value out of the fact that it has been the norm for almost 2 decades. It allows players to go back and compare themselves to iconic players of the past. It gives them clear, understandable goals to work towards.
If they did letter ranks in SC:R, I don't think it'll be that meaningful to compare those ranks to the ones in past systems because the distributions for the letter ranks can ultimately be different in SC:R.
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On May 29 2017 01:13 B-royal wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2017 09:42 f10eqq wrote:
Lol at people complaining about the completely arbitrary rank names. Not only is it completely meaningless, but you could argue that the three tiered system used in sc2 nowadays (masters 1, masters 2, masters 3, etc.) is closer to the old WGT/Gamei system since they had A1,A2,A3 instead of A-/A/A+. Also, everyone compared ratings not the arbitrary rank groupings. They are only arbitrary in your mind. To me they represent a status symbol and a well-ingrained metric that gets most of its value out of the fact that it has been the norm for almost 2 decades. It allows players to go back and compare themselves to iconic players of the past. It gives them clear, understandable goals to work towards.
I don't understand this point of view. In the really old days, the bnet interface had a ladder screen with rankings, and the ratings only had a numerical value, e.g. 1500. Your ladder score also replaced the five stars next to your name in the chat channel. The first big ladder for non-Koreans (gamei was almost exclusively Korean) was WGT, which first used the lettering system but in a different way. You started at C6, then C5, C4...C0. After C0 came B6, all the way to B0 and then A. Next came PGT which, unlike WGT, had its own server and modified the letter ranks to use pluses and minuses. You started at D, then D+, C-, all the way to A+ which was 12,000 points. After that they made an olympic rank at 20,000 points (Bisu was the first one to get there). Now it seems like Fish uses a simplified version of that, with E-A and then S.
In my experience there hasn't been a single norm for almost two decades. It has been constantly evolving and an SC2-like system will just be the next step.
I never thought I'd play BW again but I can't resist! We just need clan wars and nation wars now.
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People will always find a reason to complain, I for one am grateful this is happening and thank Blizzard for doing this for BW.
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Except PGT and iCCup using same system from 2004 so its like 13-14 years
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On May 29 2017 02:37 aFF]ZuluNAtion[ wrote:Except PGT and iCCup using same system from 2004 so its like 13-14 years
So? The player pool and relative skill level change from season to season. Jumping on iccup right now isn't like playing on iccup in 2009. Pulling up a random PGT ladder ranking from archive.org shows zero non-Korean flags in the top 50. Compare that to iccup in 2017...can you say that the ladder ranks carry the same significance? This idea of reaching a certain rank and comparing yourself to "iconic players of the past" is a bit silly. Why not just enjoy the first built-in BW ladder system in 15 or 16 years?
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On May 29 2017 02:36 GGzerG wrote:
People will always find a reason to complain, I for one am grateful this is happening and thank Blizzard for doing this for BW.
I don't really get why this happens on forums, every time. Criticizing about a feature that asked for feedback is normal. It's expected. What's the purpose of criticizing people criticizing? Is the forums supposed to 100% agreeable at all times, just to your personal liking?
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Personally I wish they used different names than bronze gold etc. I just find that a bit boring and played out, its the nomenclature they use every game. It's fine, its just not...I dont know, it doesnt fit the aesthetic I had of broodwar. I'm a diamond protoss player! It just seems foreign.
That said at the end of the day what the rank is called is about as meaningless as you can get.
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I enjoy, i dont care what new ladder will work if only will be good. Just talking like the systems of pgt/icc was totaly different is bullshit. I played it 14 years ago on palying it now, these systems was pretty same.
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Once again they have found something to whine about :D
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On May 29 2017 03:32 CecilSunkure wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2017 02:36 GGzerG wrote:
People will always find a reason to complain, I for one am grateful this is happening and thank Blizzard for doing this for BW. I don't really get why this happens on forums, every time. Criticizing about a feature that asked for feedback is normal. It's expected. What's the purpose of criticizing people criticizing? Is the forums supposed to 100% agreeable at all times, just to your personal liking?
There are discussions and then there are stupid discussions/complaints that really shouldn't happen. No matter what Blizzard does the same people complain and can't like any of it.
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On May 29 2017 05:04 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2017 03:32 CecilSunkure wrote:On May 29 2017 02:36 GGzerG wrote:
People will always find a reason to complain, I for one am grateful this is happening and thank Blizzard for doing this for BW. I don't really get why this happens on forums, every time. Criticizing about a feature that asked for feedback is normal. It's expected. What's the purpose of criticizing people criticizing? Is the forums supposed to 100% agreeable at all times, just to your personal liking? There are discussions and then there are stupid discussions/complaints that really shouldn't happen. No matter what Blizzard does the same people complain and can't like any of it.
If a Discussion is stupid or pointless OR somebody is just a negative nancy and "hates" every announcement regardless of it's content, moderation takes care of such issues here.People are having a civil debate about the merit's of different ranking systems. I don't know what it has to do with blizzard doing it. I would think the same way about it if FISH switched to this out of their own effort.
Someone earlier suggested "people who disagree should not buy the game". Guess what im gonna buy the game and still say my piece about what could have been done better. I see no problem in that.
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On May 29 2017 05:04 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2017 03:32 CecilSunkure wrote:On May 29 2017 02:36 GGzerG wrote:
People will always find a reason to complain, I for one am grateful this is happening and thank Blizzard for doing this for BW. I don't really get why this happens on forums, every time. Criticizing about a feature that asked for feedback is normal. It's expected. What's the purpose of criticizing people criticizing? Is the forums supposed to 100% agreeable at all times, just to your personal liking? There are discussions and then there are stupid discussions/complaints that really shouldn't happen. No matter what Blizzard does the same people complain and can't like any of it.
You're definitely right there, on principle. But the thing is a lot of the people "complaining" (read: criticizing) about the system actually have reasons and some merit. To me it feels like a couple older members here really just dislike disagreeable posts and want an air of agreeableness in the forums. It's totally fine to have that sort of preference, but it's really pretty rude to imply others aren't grateful, or others always whine just to whine.
Me personally, I heavily prefer A-F because I think A-F is cool, and fits the already defined Brood War aesthetic. A-F is like a symbol of Brood War lasted for years and years, sticking out while many modern games fade as the hype subsides.
Anyways, it just rubs me wrong when there's pressure to post with a certain style. Just because one does not like a certain kind of post doesn't mean one should go around pressuring others to abide by personal preferences without bringing anything of value to the table. So maybe it would be better to join in the discussion or ask people why they have certain opinions, instead of making assumptions and negative implications.
It's like, who are you to assume they "shouldn't happen". Rude.
Edit: Take TT1 earlier in this thread for example. He had the same exact kind of assumptions, then got borderline trolled, but then explicitly asked those "why" questions, and some interesting discussion came up from both sides.
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If they do letter ranks again, they should do S-E instead of A-F. The F rank just carries too much of a bad connotation with failure, and that's only slightly more merciful to a noob than the game telling them to straight-up uninstall.
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Yeah you know I've always thought the same thing. At least for American culture, F is really harsh. It's off-putting.
But then Korean culture must be a bit different. Aren't they a lot more studious and take huge care to achieve great letter grades? Maybe they view the F rank as sort of a community driven challenge. Like a goal, something to be proud of overcoming.
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On May 29 2017 06:22 eviltomahawk wrote:
If they do letter ranks again, they should do S-E instead of A-F. The F rank just carries too much of a bad connotation with failure, and that's only slightly more merciful to a noob than the game telling them to straight-up uninstall. This is the mentality that worries me about the medal grading system in the first place. People start worrying about the message its sending. People get offended. I'm silver? Thats a mean metal, it doesnt imply im good. Poor me. Maybe we should change? Is the game failing because newbies are upset about being bronze? Whats a fluffier name than bronze?
Anyone who's actually concerned with the "feeling" of a rank is missing the point of broodwar, and has missed the boat entirely on what keeps anyone in a game.
That goes to the people whining about how A-F rank "just feels like broodwar to them". No, you associate it with broodwar because thats how broodwar has been up until now. Things change!
edit: if you felt degraded about being F rank in a video game, you might have self esteem issues...
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Stupid post
User was warned for this post
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On May 29 2017 10:44 JungleTerrain wrote:
Stupid post
User was warned for this post
Fuck, You can't delete posts? What do you do if you want to "delete" your own post? I meant my own post was stupid.
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United States12240 Posts
No you can't delete posts. Sorry :[ I misinterpreted.
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On May 29 2017 10:53 JungleTerrain wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2017 10:44 JungleTerrain wrote:
Stupid post
User was warned for this post Fuck, You can't delete posts? What do you do if you want to "delete" your own post? I meant my own post was stupid.
Can't delete but when you edit, just write "Edit:" in front, so it's easier to understand what you meant. Like:
"Edit: Sorry. my post was stupid."
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It's weird how people automatically assume that the rankings will be based on the same (small) player pool BW previously had, when obviously this release will inflate ranks heavily.
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
Why Blizzard, why. Do you want to make me spend another couple of years playing BW?
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What kind of profiles will non remastered players have access to?
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On May 29 2017 15:41 oOOoOphidian wrote:
It's weird how people automatically assume that the rankings will be based on the same (small) player pool BW previously had, when obviously this release will inflate ranks heavily.
Not everyone is going to play on Eu/NA/whatever. Most likely all the really good players will stick to Fish, it's where the korean pro's and semi-pros will most likely keep on playing. And I was under the assumption that Fish would also adopt bronze-grandmaster, but eon mentioned otherwise? That's great news.
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That's amazing genuinely happy about that, no complaints
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On May 29 2017 07:01 Dazed_Spy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2017 06:22 eviltomahawk wrote:
If they do letter ranks again, they should do S-E instead of A-F. The F rank just carries too much of a bad connotation with failure, and that's only slightly more merciful to a noob than the game telling them to straight-up uninstall. This is the mentality that worries me about the medal grading system in the first place. People start worrying about the message its sending. People get offended. I'm silver? Thats a mean metal, it doesnt imply im good. Poor me. Maybe we should change? Is the game failing because newbies are upset about being bronze? Whats a fluffier name than bronze? Anyone who's actually concerned with the "feeling" of a rank is missing the point of broodwar, and has missed the boat entirely on what keeps anyone in a game. That goes to the people whining about how A-F rank "just feels like broodwar to them". No, you associate it with broodwar because thats how broodwar has been up until now. Things change! edit: if you felt degraded about being F rank in a video game, you might have self esteem issues...
Pretty much, it's a huge non-complaint
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Ridiculous how people are stupidly haggling over whether the labels Bronze to GM or the labels F to A should be used, while ignoring the substantive debate of whether or not the ranking is based on MMR or meaningless SC2-type points.
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I only hope that they'll keep commands such as /f m /f l, etc.
Everything looks really great but as the times goes on I become more worried about the chat in 1.18 - respectively in SC:R
P.S. After all we can run away from these stupid meaningless MMR shit and the 'awesomely idiotic" bronze to master ranking.
FISH FTW
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I hope by changing from D-S to metals doesn't signal that they also want to implement matchmaking. In my experience it totally depersonalizes finding a match, makes the community antisocial, and keeps you from facing a more diverse range of opponents. My other favorite game Team Fortress 2 died to this mistake of feature, and it's one of the reasons I believe SC2 never took off when it should have. LoL was 'successful' with matchmaking but it's a team game and I hope no one wants the Broodwar community to be like theirs.
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The whole point of the new system IS matchmaking. Matchmaking has been expected from the day of the Remastered announcement.
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On May 30 2017 06:41 Marl wrote:
I hope by changing from D-S to metals doesn't signal that they also want to implement matchmaking. In my experience it totally depersonalizes finding a match, makes the community antisocial, and keeps you from facing a more diverse range of opponents. My other favorite game Team Fortress 2 died to this mistake of feature, and it's one of the reasons I believe SC2 never took off when it should have. LoL was 'successful' with matchmaking but it's a team game and I hope no one wants the Broodwar community to be like theirs.
Alright go play on iccup then no ones forcing you to play remastered.
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On May 29 2017 22:21 paralleluniverse wrote:
Ridiculous how people are stupidly haggling over whether the labels Bronze to GM or the labels F to A should be used, while ignoring the substantive debate of whether or not the ranking is based on MMR or meaningless SC2-type points.
SC2 has rankings based on MMR now so it's safe to assume SC:R does too.
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On May 30 2017 06:41 Marl wrote:
I hope by changing from D-S to metals doesn't signal that they also want to implement matchmaking. In my experience it totally depersonalizes finding a match, makes the community antisocial, and keeps you from facing a more diverse range of opponents. My other favorite game Team Fortress 2 died to this mistake of feature, and it's one of the reasons I believe SC2 never took off when it should have. LoL was 'successful' with matchmaking but it's a team game and I hope no one wants the Broodwar community to be like theirs.
I mean they could make chat channel like BW and have ladder button right left of u so u click and u go ladder..
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Honestly as a person who use to play over 1K games a season on Iccup, I think matchmaking is going to be for the best. One thing i have learned from playing on iccup is that getting wrecked and not having a fair chance is very discouraging, and at the same time winning one sided is not rewarding. But with this being said its really important to keep player retention because without that we will be back to having a meaningless point system.
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On May 30 2017 07:01 emeraldgreenforest wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2017 06:41 Marl wrote:
I hope by changing from D-S to metals doesn't signal that they also want to implement matchmaking. In my experience it totally depersonalizes finding a match, makes the community antisocial, and keeps you from facing a more diverse range of opponents. My other favorite game Team Fortress 2 died to this mistake of feature, and it's one of the reasons I believe SC2 never took off when it should have. LoL was 'successful' with matchmaking but it's a team game and I hope no one wants the Broodwar community to be like theirs. Alright go play on iccup then no ones forcing you to play remastered.
Alright go play sc2 then no ones forcing you to touch our holy grail.
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On May 30 2017 10:19 LordOfDabu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2017 22:21 paralleluniverse wrote:
Ridiculous how people are stupidly haggling over whether the labels Bronze to GM or the labels F to A should be used, while ignoring the substantive debate of whether or not the ranking is based on MMR or meaningless SC2-type points. SC2 has rankings based on MMR now so it's safe to assume SC:R does too.
Nope. SC2 has MMR. But ranking is not based on MMR.
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i wonder how maps will be chosen for mapmaking?? is it community based or blizzard based? can i only play FS if i feel like it? can i pick MUs? will GM only have an arbitrary 200 people in it regardless of mmr so i have to wait for people to be inactive before i can get in or spam games at the start of a season? lots of questions about bnet .20 being retroactively put into broodwar
the profiles are okay as long as they can be fully hidden based on user discretion. otherwise people will tease me about only having 80apm
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On May 30 2017 21:56 Endymion wrote:
i wonder how maps will be chosen for mapmaking?? is it community based or blizzard based? can i only play FS if i feel like it? can i pick MUs? will GM only have an arbitrary 200 people in it regardless of mmr so i have to wait for people to be inactive before i can get in or spam games at the start of a season? lots of questions about bnet .20 being retroactively put into broodwar
the profiles are okay as long as they can be fully hidden based on user discretion. otherwise people will tease me about only having 80apm
I used to play with a Zerg player who had 80ish APM in n.stOp) (Reaper was his name I think) and he was B-. I still don't understand how.
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On May 30 2017 21:56 Endymion wrote:
i wonder how maps will be chosen for mapmaking?? is it community based or blizzard based? can i only play FS if i feel like it? can i pick MUs? will GM only have an arbitrary 200 people in it regardless of mmr so i have to wait for people to be inactive before i can get in or spam games at the start of a season? lots of questions about bnet .20 being retroactively put into broodwar
the profiles are okay as long as they can be fully hidden based on user discretion. otherwise people will tease me about only having 80apm
wondering about this as well. i assume theres gonna be a map pool with downvotes but a lot of players only play on FS and CB..
On May 30 2017 21:59 Qikz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2017 21:56 Endymion wrote:
i wonder how maps will be chosen for mapmaking?? is it community based or blizzard based? can i only play FS if i feel like it? can i pick MUs? will GM only have an arbitrary 200 people in it regardless of mmr so i have to wait for people to be inactive before i can get in or spam games at the start of a season? lots of questions about bnet .20 being retroactively put into broodwar
the profiles are okay as long as they can be fully hidden based on user discretion. otherwise people will tease me about only having 80apm I used to play with a Zerg player who had 80ish APM in n.stOp) (Reaper was his name I think) and he was B-. I still don't understand how.
In TSL2 i hit A rank (but then dropped down to ~10k A-) with ~150 apm, so i can definitely see players hitting B- (especially now that iccup ranks are inflated) with 100 apm. I didn't know about F-keys back then which is unfortunate, post SC2 my apm is 300 mostly because i use F-keys very actively (which forces good habits).
If you have a good mind for the game and use the minimap/your mouse efficiently you can reach a decent rank with relatively low apm.
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On May 31 2017 01:29 TT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2017 21:56 Endymion wrote:
i wonder how maps will be chosen for mapmaking?? is it community based or blizzard based? can i only play FS if i feel like it? can i pick MUs? will GM only have an arbitrary 200 people in it regardless of mmr so i have to wait for people to be inactive before i can get in or spam games at the start of a season? lots of questions about bnet .20 being retroactively put into broodwar
the profiles are okay as long as they can be fully hidden based on user discretion. otherwise people will tease me about only having 80apm wondering about this as well. i assume theres gonna be a map pool with downvotes but a lot of players only play on FS and CB.. Hopefully its similar to sc2, where you have far less downvotes than the map pool. We as a community need to move pass this map spam bullshit. Theres more to the game than fs or cb.
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On May 31 2017 01:32 Dazed_Spy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2017 01:29 TT1 wrote:On May 30 2017 21:56 Endymion wrote:
i wonder how maps will be chosen for mapmaking?? is it community based or blizzard based? can i only play FS if i feel like it? can i pick MUs? will GM only have an arbitrary 200 people in it regardless of mmr so i have to wait for people to be inactive before i can get in or spam games at the start of a season? lots of questions about bnet .20 being retroactively put into broodwar
the profiles are okay as long as they can be fully hidden based on user discretion. otherwise people will tease me about only having 80apm wondering about this as well. i assume theres gonna be a map pool with downvotes but a lot of players only play on FS and CB.. Hopefully its similar to sc2, where you have far less downvotes than the map pool. We as a community need to move pass this map spam bullshit. Theres more to the game than fs or cb.
Completely agreed. What is your stance on picking matchups, so probably like TvZ while playing zerg in the other matchups.
I read that some people want that to be a thing, imo it's kinda ridiculous though.
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On May 31 2017 01:32 Dazed_Spy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2017 01:29 TT1 wrote:On May 30 2017 21:56 Endymion wrote:
i wonder how maps will be chosen for mapmaking?? is it community based or blizzard based? can i only play FS if i feel like it? can i pick MUs? will GM only have an arbitrary 200 people in it regardless of mmr so i have to wait for people to be inactive before i can get in or spam games at the start of a season? lots of questions about bnet .20 being retroactively put into broodwar
the profiles are okay as long as they can be fully hidden based on user discretion. otherwise people will tease me about only having 80apm wondering about this as well. i assume theres gonna be a map pool with downvotes but a lot of players only play on FS and CB.. Hopefully its similar to sc2, where you have far less downvotes than the map pool. We as a community need to move pass this map spam bullshit. Theres more to the game than fs or cb.
I disagree. Lot of koreans still spam fs or circuit rven though Bluestorm gives double the point. Come on man setilusly playerd wont play in unbalanced maps. You think zerg is going to play terran on camelot?
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On May 31 2017 01:57 Shinokuki wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2017 01:32 Dazed_Spy wrote:On May 31 2017 01:29 TT1 wrote:On May 30 2017 21:56 Endymion wrote:
i wonder how maps will be chosen for mapmaking?? is it community based or blizzard based? can i only play FS if i feel like it? can i pick MUs? will GM only have an arbitrary 200 people in it regardless of mmr so i have to wait for people to be inactive before i can get in or spam games at the start of a season? lots of questions about bnet .20 being retroactively put into broodwar
the profiles are okay as long as they can be fully hidden based on user discretion. otherwise people will tease me about only having 80apm wondering about this as well. i assume theres gonna be a map pool with downvotes but a lot of players only play on FS and CB.. Hopefully its similar to sc2, where you have far less downvotes than the map pool. We as a community need to move pass this map spam bullshit. Theres more to the game than fs or cb. I disagree. Lot of koreans still spam fs or circuit rven though Bluestorm gives double the point. Come on man setilusly playerd wont play in unbalanced maps. You think zerg is going to play terran on camelot?
The solution to that is balanced maps, not playing on only 2 maps.
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On May 31 2017 01:57 Shinokuki wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2017 01:32 Dazed_Spy wrote:On May 31 2017 01:29 TT1 wrote:On May 30 2017 21:56 Endymion wrote:
i wonder how maps will be chosen for mapmaking?? is it community based or blizzard based? can i only play FS if i feel like it? can i pick MUs? will GM only have an arbitrary 200 people in it regardless of mmr so i have to wait for people to be inactive before i can get in or spam games at the start of a season? lots of questions about bnet .20 being retroactively put into broodwar
the profiles are okay as long as they can be fully hidden based on user discretion. otherwise people will tease me about only having 80apm wondering about this as well. i assume theres gonna be a map pool with downvotes but a lot of players only play on FS and CB.. Hopefully its similar to sc2, where you have far less downvotes than the map pool. We as a community need to move pass this map spam bullshit. Theres more to the game than fs or cb. I disagree. Lot of koreans still spam fs or circuit rven though Bluestorm gives double the point. Come on man setilusly playerd wont play in unbalanced maps. You think zerg is going to play terran on camelot? Is it a good thing that koreans spam one map? Should we foreigners seek to emulate that going into the future? Why? There are plenty of maps that are more balanced than camelot, and plenty of fun to be had with map variations. Broodwar has always been a game of map variation, its only the last few years that everyone has become so paralyzed by concerns of balance that we only play two maps, both of which are nearly identical to one another in design.
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I think it would be pretty cool if APM included fkeys. I make pretty good use of them. SC2 I recall I was very happy with my apm, and I play faster in BW for sure (by necessity) but my apm is lower than I'm happy with. Suspect F-Keys is major part.
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Non-RE version will still have match-maker.
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Russian Federation481 Posts
I would like map pool system will be like in sc2 (pool of maps, you can downvote some). In bw I always played on 1 map (as everyone else), and coming to sc2 it was 1 of the big improvements over broodwar for me (along with never having lags). It was like a breath of fresh air to play on different maps, so much diversity. But when I returned to bw, I play 1 map again (as everyone does).
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On May 30 2017 06:57 Chris_Havoc wrote:
The whole point of the new system IS matchmaking. Matchmaking has been expected from the day of the Remastered announcement.
Yea, matchmaking is probably the biggest addition to the BW:Remastered announcement, I agree.
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On May 31 2017 02:22 Dazed_Spy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2017 01:57 Shinokuki wrote:On May 31 2017 01:32 Dazed_Spy wrote:On May 31 2017 01:29 TT1 wrote:On May 30 2017 21:56 Endymion wrote:
i wonder how maps will be chosen for mapmaking?? is it community based or blizzard based? can i only play FS if i feel like it? can i pick MUs? will GM only have an arbitrary 200 people in it regardless of mmr so i have to wait for people to be inactive before i can get in or spam games at the start of a season? lots of questions about bnet .20 being retroactively put into broodwar
the profiles are okay as long as they can be fully hidden based on user discretion. otherwise people will tease me about only having 80apm wondering about this as well. i assume theres gonna be a map pool with downvotes but a lot of players only play on FS and CB.. Hopefully its similar to sc2, where you have far less downvotes than the map pool. We as a community need to move pass this map spam bullshit. Theres more to the game than fs or cb. I disagree. Lot of koreans still spam fs or circuit rven though Bluestorm gives double the point. Come on man setilusly playerd wont play in unbalanced maps. You think zerg is going to play terran on camelot? Is it a good thing that koreans spam one map? Should we foreigners seek to emulate that going into the future? Why? There are plenty of maps that are more balanced than camelot, and plenty of fun to be had with map variations. Broodwar has always been a game of map variation, its only the last few years that everyone has become so paralyzed by concerns of balance that we only play two maps, both of which are nearly identical to one another in design.
idk i think balance could be affected a lot if you switch up maps
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On May 31 2017 04:17 Shinokuki wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2017 02:22 Dazed_Spy wrote:On May 31 2017 01:57 Shinokuki wrote:On May 31 2017 01:32 Dazed_Spy wrote:On May 31 2017 01:29 TT1 wrote:On May 30 2017 21:56 Endymion wrote:
i wonder how maps will be chosen for mapmaking?? is it community based or blizzard based? can i only play FS if i feel like it? can i pick MUs? will GM only have an arbitrary 200 people in it regardless of mmr so i have to wait for people to be inactive before i can get in or spam games at the start of a season? lots of questions about bnet .20 being retroactively put into broodwar
the profiles are okay as long as they can be fully hidden based on user discretion. otherwise people will tease me about only having 80apm wondering about this as well. i assume theres gonna be a map pool with downvotes but a lot of players only play on FS and CB.. Hopefully its similar to sc2, where you have far less downvotes than the map pool. We as a community need to move pass this map spam bullshit. Theres more to the game than fs or cb. I disagree. Lot of koreans still spam fs or circuit rven though Bluestorm gives double the point. Come on man setilusly playerd wont play in unbalanced maps. You think zerg is going to play terran on camelot? Is it a good thing that koreans spam one map? Should we foreigners seek to emulate that going into the future? Why? There are plenty of maps that are more balanced than camelot, and plenty of fun to be had with map variations. Broodwar has always been a game of map variation, its only the last few years that everyone has become so paralyzed by concerns of balance that we only play two maps, both of which are nearly identical to one another in design. idk i think balance could be affected a lot if you switch up maps
i mean... idc if we're playing on kespa maps but once blizzard introduces bloodbath to the mix...+ Show Spoiler +i'll only be playing bloodbath because that map is even better than 투혼!
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On May 31 2017 04:17 Shinokuki wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2017 02:22 Dazed_Spy wrote:On May 31 2017 01:57 Shinokuki wrote:On May 31 2017 01:32 Dazed_Spy wrote:On May 31 2017 01:29 TT1 wrote:On May 30 2017 21:56 Endymion wrote:
i wonder how maps will be chosen for mapmaking?? is it community based or blizzard based? can i only play FS if i feel like it? can i pick MUs? will GM only have an arbitrary 200 people in it regardless of mmr so i have to wait for people to be inactive before i can get in or spam games at the start of a season? lots of questions about bnet .20 being retroactively put into broodwar
the profiles are okay as long as they can be fully hidden based on user discretion. otherwise people will tease me about only having 80apm wondering about this as well. i assume theres gonna be a map pool with downvotes but a lot of players only play on FS and CB.. Hopefully its similar to sc2, where you have far less downvotes than the map pool. We as a community need to move pass this map spam bullshit. Theres more to the game than fs or cb. I disagree. Lot of koreans still spam fs or circuit rven though Bluestorm gives double the point. Come on man setilusly playerd wont play in unbalanced maps. You think zerg is going to play terran on camelot? Is it a good thing that koreans spam one map? Should we foreigners seek to emulate that going into the future? Why? There are plenty of maps that are more balanced than camelot, and plenty of fun to be had with map variations. Broodwar has always been a game of map variation, its only the last few years that everyone has become so paralyzed by concerns of balance that we only play two maps, both of which are nearly identical to one another in design. idk i think balance could be affected a lot if you switch up maps Not talking about getting rid of FS or cb, but just putting existing maps that are used within the pro circuit and scene generally, into the match maker. Ofc balance will be affected, not even fs or cb are actually racially balanced. But there are degrees of imbalance that are more than acceptable, and we have plenty of under utilized maps that fit that description.
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On May 31 2017 04:45 Dazed_Spy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2017 04:17 Shinokuki wrote:On May 31 2017 02:22 Dazed_Spy wrote:On May 31 2017 01:57 Shinokuki wrote:On May 31 2017 01:32 Dazed_Spy wrote:On May 31 2017 01:29 TT1 wrote:On May 30 2017 21:56 Endymion wrote:
i wonder how maps will be chosen for mapmaking?? is it community based or blizzard based? can i only play FS if i feel like it? can i pick MUs? will GM only have an arbitrary 200 people in it regardless of mmr so i have to wait for people to be inactive before i can get in or spam games at the start of a season? lots of questions about bnet .20 being retroactively put into broodwar
the profiles are okay as long as they can be fully hidden based on user discretion. otherwise people will tease me about only having 80apm wondering about this as well. i assume theres gonna be a map pool with downvotes but a lot of players only play on FS and CB.. Hopefully its similar to sc2, where you have far less downvotes than the map pool. We as a community need to move pass this map spam bullshit. Theres more to the game than fs or cb. I disagree. Lot of koreans still spam fs or circuit rven though Bluestorm gives double the point. Come on man setilusly playerd wont play in unbalanced maps. You think zerg is going to play terran on camelot? Is it a good thing that koreans spam one map? Should we foreigners seek to emulate that going into the future? Why? There are plenty of maps that are more balanced than camelot, and plenty of fun to be had with map variations. Broodwar has always been a game of map variation, its only the last few years that everyone has become so paralyzed by concerns of balance that we only play two maps, both of which are nearly identical to one another in design. idk i think balance could be affected a lot if you switch up maps Not talking about getting rid of FS or cb, but just putting existing maps that are used within the pro circuit and scene generally, into the match maker. Ofc balance will be affected, not even fs or cb are actually racially balanced. But there are degrees of imbalance that are more than acceptable, and we have plenty of under utilized maps that fit that description.
well, a lot of the balance is MU specific too.. like, no terran ever wants to play tvz on blue storm but they don't care playing tvt or tvp, you know? so who knows if they'll have MU picking as a feature
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On May 30 2017 06:41 Marl wrote:
I hope by changing from D-S to metals doesn't signal that they also want to implement matchmaking. In my experience it totally depersonalizes finding a match, makes the community antisocial, and keeps you from facing a more diverse range of opponents. My other favorite game Team Fortress 2 died to this mistake of feature, and it's one of the reasons I believe SC2 never took off when it should have. LoL was 'successful' with matchmaking but it's a team game and I hope no one wants the Broodwar community to be like theirs.
Lots of incorrect stuff in here duderino. SC2 did take off, and matchmaking helped it and other games do so.
If you want Brood War to shrivel up back to its small "elite" community you won't want matchmaking. If you want it to thrive you won't kick it in the nuts by having its find match feature left in 1998. There is literally nothing stopping you from socializing otherwise within b.net.
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Would be better if they had A - F instead of sc2 rankings.
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On June 01 2017 01:18 esdf wrote:
Would be better if they had A - F instead of sc2 rankings.
No it wouldn't be "better", just different
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On June 01 2017 01:22 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2017 01:18 esdf wrote:
Would be better if they had A - F instead of sc2 rankings. No it wouldn't be "better", just different
I think it'd be better as S - A - F is somewhat synonymous with brood war, specially S
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Damn those look AMAZING very exciting addition, I'll have fun customizing my blurb again.
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On June 01 2017 01:22 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2017 01:18 esdf wrote:
Would be better if they had A - F instead of sc2 rankings. No it wouldn't be "better", just different
Yes, "better" is the correct word there.
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How dare you express an opinion on something purely stylistic. You should acknowledge that all stylistic choices are meaningless and only the objective truth of how the system works matters. Please cleanse yourself and repent.
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I think it is likely that Blizzard will use their own distribution through the ranks rather than what we are familiar with. Most users end up in the middle with few at the bottom and few at the top. In that case most users would be C or B rank when they would have been struggling to make it out of D+ or F in the other systems. I don't know how I would feel about that.
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On June 01 2017 01:18 esdf wrote:
Would be better if they had A - F instead of sc2 rankings.
Its the exact same
they could use circle triangle square hexagon octagon
and it'd be the exact same
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On June 01 2017 13:11 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2017 01:18 esdf wrote:
Would be better if they had A - F instead of sc2 rankings. Its the exact same they could use circle triangle square hexagon octagon and it'd be the exact same
rectangle hater
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On June 01 2017 13:11 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2017 01:18 esdf wrote:
Would be better if they had A - F instead of sc2 rankings. Its the exact same they could use circle triangle square hexagon octagon and it'd be the exact same
How about this instead...
Grandmaster S. Blaster!
Amaster
Biamond
Clatinum
Dolg
Eilver
Fronze
It makes both sides happy with the added bonus of confusing the hell out of everyone.
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On June 01 2017 13:42 Chris_Havoc wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2017 13:11 arb wrote:On June 01 2017 01:18 esdf wrote:
Would be better if they had A - F instead of sc2 rankings. Its the exact same they could use circle triangle square hexagon octagon and it'd be the exact same How about this instead... Grandmaster S. Blaster! Amaster Biamond Clatinum Dolg Eilver Fronze It makes both sides happy with the added bonus of confusing the hell out of everyone.
Made me lol.
I propose:
Fresh Meat
Super Rare
Rare
Medium Rare
Medium Well
Well Done
Burnt
Charcoal
Shit
On a more serious note, I still prefer the S-F ranks and I think it would be awesome if they implemented them. I don't necessarily want metal ranks because it makes me think of SC2 and League of Legends... I also agree with what somebody earlier said about F ranks and the negative connotation it has because it is associated with "failure".
I am interested in how they are going to do rankings. Hopefully they say something soon!
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On June 01 2017 13:18 TT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2017 13:11 arb wrote:On June 01 2017 01:18 esdf wrote:
Would be better if they had A - F instead of sc2 rankings. Its the exact same they could use circle triangle square hexagon octagon and it'd be the exact same rectangle hater
truthfully i forgot some shapes but
you get the idea, right
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Just points 0 - xyK and letters. ty
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On June 01 2017 13:42 Chris_Havoc wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2017 13:11 arb wrote:On June 01 2017 01:18 esdf wrote:
Would be better if they had A - F instead of sc2 rankings. Its the exact same they could use circle triangle square hexagon octagon and it'd be the exact same How about this instead... Grandmaster S. Blaster! Amaster Biamond Clatinum Dolg Eilver Fronze It makes both sides happy with the added bonus of confusing the hell out of everyone.
Made me lol, too xD
Dolg and Fronze are my fav :D
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On May 28 2017 05:47 MymSlorm wrote:
it looks amazing even though i dislike the bronze, silver, gold, bullshit. every game has that system now. i'm wondering how it'll translate. i think it'll be like this:
D-/D =Bronze
D+ =Silver
C-/C =Gold
C+/B- =Platinum
B/A- = Masters
A/olympic= Grand Master
Hopefully it'll be like that so getting a decent rank would be worth it and mean something, when i played SC2, i got platinum without knowing builds and just being a D+ iccup player
I'm really doubting that. I'm not sure what the rank divisions are in SC2, but when ICCUP was at full steam back in 2009 C-/C border was around top 30%. B rank was top 1% of the player-base.
I wouldn't be opposed, but I doubt they will make 70% of their players Bronze/Silver or the equivalent. Based on numbers I'd expect to see something like
E/Keyboard =Bronze
D- =Silver
D/LowD+ =Gold
D+/C- =Platinum
C/C+ =Diamond
B-/B/B+ = Masters
A-/A/A+/Oly = GM
If they did something similar to SC2, as I *think* I understand it, a player in the bottom 25% would be low silver, a player in 50% skill would be around Gold, a player in the top 25% approaching diamond, a player in the top 3-5% masters, and top 0.5% or so would be in GM, which maps out closely to what I listed above.
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Bottom 4%? Bronze is literally like the 8 yr olds division then.
Either way, based on that LOTV target it looks like you would have:
Little Kids + People on a touch-pad = Bronze
CPU Rank/D-/Low D = Silver
D/D+ = Gold
C-/C = Platinum
C/C+ = Diamond
B-/B/B+/maybe A- = Master
A/A+/Oly = Grandmaster
This going by percentage breakdown's from what I remember from ICCup back in the days of high activity with a decent number of koreans playing. If Korea was seperate and/or there was an NA server that might move up ever so slightly.
Was wishing I could go check old ladder archives to see the breakdown for sure, but those don't seem to exist
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Based on that and on current actual SC2 distributions (source http://sc2unmasked.com/Stats ):
A to A+ = Grandmaster (0.5%)
top of B- to A- = Master (5.2%)
top of C- to B- = Diamond (24.6%)
C- = Platinum (21.5%)
Top half of D+ = Gold (20.3%)
Bottom half of D+ = Silver (20.9%)
D- to D = Bronze/Unranked (7%)
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On June 02 2017 13:22 oOOoOphidian wrote:Based on that and on current actual SC2 distributions (source http://sc2unmasked.com/Stats ): A to A+ = Grandmaster (0.5%) top of B- to A- = Master (5.2%) top of C- to B- = Diamond (24.6%) C- = Platinum (21.5%) Top half of D+ = Gold (20.3%) Bottom half of D+ = Silver (20.9%) D- to D = Bronze/Unranked (7%)
That I think is using the initial assumptions, which is basically looking only at D+ and above, but that's already a pretty selected group. D rank players certainly make up a sizeable portion of the playerbase.
From what he looked at about 50% of the D ranks had a 1/3 winning rate, suggestive of true D. About 50% did not. If we assume (and I suspect this would over-inflate skill) that of those 50% with a winning record they were distributed similar to the ladder; then you would add about 20k to D, and distrubte the rest to other groups.
So of the ignored 40k:
22,008 to D
11,004 to D+
5,502 to C-
2,751 to C
1,376 to C+
688 to B-
344 to B
178 to B+
approx 200 to A- and up
Which leaves:
22,008 D-/D
20,485 to D+
10,438 to C-
4,849 to C
2,580 to C+
1,562 to B-
652 to B
486 to B+
336 A- or better
These yield an estimated breakdown of
34.7% D-/D
32.3% D+
16.5% C-
7.7% C
4.1% C+
2.5% B-
1% B
.7% B+
.5% A- or better
From a top down perspective:
A- is top .5%
B+ is top 1.3%
B is top 2.3%
B- is top 4.8%
C+ is top 8.9%
C is top 16%
C- is top 32%
D+ is top 65%
D is top unknown percent (amount D vs D- is unknown)
Then from a percentile breakdown:
A- is top 99th percentile
B+ is 98th percentile
B is 97th percentile
B- is 95th percentile
C+ is 91st percentile
C is 83rd percentile
C- is 67th percentile
D+ is 34th percentile
D-/D spawn 1st to 33rd percentiles
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feelsgood, aiming for A, there is no other option left again.
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Pretty sure I could stroke it to those screens. Very slick and sexy.
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looks awesome, can't wait for remastered
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oh god. It is blizzard math time again
300-100 = 83% winrate
its like they arent able to display accurate stats in any of their games ^^ (SC2, OW and now SC:R)
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On June 02 2017 21:58 404AlphaSquad wrote:
oh god. It is blizzard math time again
300-100 = 83% winrate
its like they arent able to display accurate stats in any of their games ^^ (SC2, OW and now SC:R)
Ranks are never accurate imo. The only ranking system that comes close near to being accurate I'd argue is ELO from Chess. MMR is literally just a number and goes up when you win and down if you lose, it's entirely pointless because depending on who you play (see people B rank and above on iCCUP by just grinding games vs D players) then it's never going to be accurate.
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On May 27 2017 15:19 TT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2017 15:07 TibbersCute wrote:Speaking of illogical... "Ah so SC2 ranks today, MBS and smartcast tomorrow.. gotcha" is a straw-man. Seems a little silly to call others dumb coming from your position. On May 27 2017 14:53 TT1 wrote:
The classics team already stated that they wouldnt touch anything gameplay related You mean like in-gameplay hotkeys? On May 27 2017 14:53 TT1 wrote:
you're complaining about BW getting bonus features (and you're pretty much the only person doing so) They asked for feedback, that's my feedback. Look at yourself! Called my opinion dumb, illogical, and are trying to say I'm alone in my opinion? Yeah, my opinion looks completely alone. wait, you gave feedback.. did i read that right? feedback on what, exactly? you being paranoid about the dev team adding SC2 gameplay features like MBS and smartcast (by giving an inch!) has nothing to do with giving feedback on the new profiles, it's you being paranoid. also by gameplay changes i meant changing unit stats/the game's mechanics (they stated that they didn't add rebinds for f keys and control groups because they didn't want to touch the games mechanics). keep wearing that tin foil hat of yours tho, wouldn't want to ruin your fun. im hoping people like you will be able to relax once the launch happens and nothing ends up changing, god knows you need it. edit: and just to be clear i don't really have an issue with you wanting F - S ranks. what i have an issue with is your "give an inch, take a mile" statement, that's a terrible mindset to have.
120% agree, some people just cant stop crying
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is there any need for % of players per rank?? it would be natural that there would be a number of people within a rank being the consequence of their win and losses with a given point system? I wonder about the point system, and if we will know about how it works. Is Fish going to keep their system?
On June 22 2017 15:03 Qikz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2017 21:58 404AlphaSquad wrote:
oh god. It is blizzard math time again
300-100 = 83% winrate
its like they arent able to display accurate stats in any of their games ^^ (SC2, OW and now SC:R) Ranks are never accurate imo. The only ranking system that comes close near to being accurate I'd argue is ELO from Chess. MMR is literally just a number and goes up when you win and down if you lose, it's entirely pointless because depending on who you play (see people B rank and above on iCCUP by just grinding games vs D players) then it's never going to be accurate.
Exactly and I agree ELO from Chess seems good something similar or identical was used on old blizz ladder which seemed disfunctional for other reasons like hacks/bots and slow speed.
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Is there any news on when SC:R gets released?
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On June 23 2017 02:39 thezanursic wrote:
Is there any news on when SC:R gets released?
Nope. No date. No date announcement. Nothing.
Blizzard themselves may not know the date yet with all the issues coming from 1.18 development.
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It seems development is going slowly right now. I had a dream they released version 3.18, and had a shitload of features. Completely skipped 2.0. It was just a dream.
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Does anyone know what happened to these features? The cloud replay thing sounds amazing. I just want to know my matchup stats since i play random.
Also is there a way to view bnet profiles via your browser? I am using starlog.gg now but i am sure they are getting their data from somewhere...
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Forgotten maybe... I dunno... it kinda is getting embarrassing with the whole buggy/laggy UI
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I think Blizzard wanted us to forget these previews
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On October 19 2017 13:22 aLt)nirvana wrote:
Does anyone know what happened to these features? The cloud replay thing sounds amazing. I just want to know my matchup stats since i play random.
Also is there a way to view bnet profiles via your browser? I am using starlog.gg now but i am sure they are getting their data from somewhere...
or even viewing your stats through your phone. (Kind of like how Halo did with Halo Waypoint)
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On October 19 2017 13:22 aLt)nirvana wrote:
Does anyone know what happened to these features? The cloud replay thing sounds amazing. I just want to know my matchup stats since i play random.
Also is there a way to view bnet profiles via your browser? I am using starlog.gg now but i am sure they are getting their data from somewhere...
Cloud replays are actually sort of in game. There is no official way to access them however. I found this out by going to https://starlog.gg/en/leaderboard then signing in and if you click on your profile and go to match history you can download all of your replays.
So replays are all currently being saved to the "cloud" it seems. But blizzard doesn't give us direct access to them yet.
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On October 20 2017 07:06 jimminy_kriket wrote:Cloud replays are actually sort of in game. There is no official way to access them however. I found this out by going to https://starlog.gg/en/leaderboard then signing in and if you click on your profile and go to match history you can download all of your replays. So replays are all currently being saved to the "cloud" it seems. But blizzard doesn't give us direct access to them yet.
omg that really works! Thanks haha.
It's sad the third party site has more features than the official site.
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