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On May 29 2017 03:32 CecilSunkure wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2017 02:36 GGzerG wrote:
People will always find a reason to complain, I for one am grateful this is happening and thank Blizzard for doing this for BW. I don't really get why this happens on forums, every time. Criticizing about a feature that asked for feedback is normal. It's expected. What's the purpose of criticizing people criticizing? Is the forums supposed to 100% agreeable at all times, just to your personal liking?
There are discussions and then there are stupid discussions/complaints that really shouldn't happen. No matter what Blizzard does the same people complain and can't like any of it.
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On May 29 2017 05:04 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2017 03:32 CecilSunkure wrote:On May 29 2017 02:36 GGzerG wrote:
People will always find a reason to complain, I for one am grateful this is happening and thank Blizzard for doing this for BW. I don't really get why this happens on forums, every time. Criticizing about a feature that asked for feedback is normal. It's expected. What's the purpose of criticizing people criticizing? Is the forums supposed to 100% agreeable at all times, just to your personal liking? There are discussions and then there are stupid discussions/complaints that really shouldn't happen. No matter what Blizzard does the same people complain and can't like any of it.
If a Discussion is stupid or pointless OR somebody is just a negative nancy and "hates" every announcement regardless of it's content, moderation takes care of such issues here.People are having a civil debate about the merit's of different ranking systems. I don't know what it has to do with blizzard doing it. I would think the same way about it if FISH switched to this out of their own effort.
Someone earlier suggested "people who disagree should not buy the game". Guess what im gonna buy the game and still say my piece about what could have been done better. I see no problem in that.
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On May 29 2017 05:04 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2017 03:32 CecilSunkure wrote:On May 29 2017 02:36 GGzerG wrote:
People will always find a reason to complain, I for one am grateful this is happening and thank Blizzard for doing this for BW. I don't really get why this happens on forums, every time. Criticizing about a feature that asked for feedback is normal. It's expected. What's the purpose of criticizing people criticizing? Is the forums supposed to 100% agreeable at all times, just to your personal liking? There are discussions and then there are stupid discussions/complaints that really shouldn't happen. No matter what Blizzard does the same people complain and can't like any of it.
You're definitely right there, on principle. But the thing is a lot of the people "complaining" (read: criticizing) about the system actually have reasons and some merit. To me it feels like a couple older members here really just dislike disagreeable posts and want an air of agreeableness in the forums. It's totally fine to have that sort of preference, but it's really pretty rude to imply others aren't grateful, or others always whine just to whine.
Me personally, I heavily prefer A-F because I think A-F is cool, and fits the already defined Brood War aesthetic. A-F is like a symbol of Brood War lasted for years and years, sticking out while many modern games fade as the hype subsides.
Anyways, it just rubs me wrong when there's pressure to post with a certain style. Just because one does not like a certain kind of post doesn't mean one should go around pressuring others to abide by personal preferences without bringing anything of value to the table. So maybe it would be better to join in the discussion or ask people why they have certain opinions, instead of making assumptions and negative implications.
It's like, who are you to assume they "shouldn't happen". Rude.
Edit: Take TT1 earlier in this thread for example. He had the same exact kind of assumptions, then got borderline trolled, but then explicitly asked those "why" questions, and some interesting discussion came up from both sides.
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If they do letter ranks again, they should do S-E instead of A-F. The F rank just carries too much of a bad connotation with failure, and that's only slightly more merciful to a noob than the game telling them to straight-up uninstall.
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Yeah you know I've always thought the same thing. At least for American culture, F is really harsh. It's off-putting.
But then Korean culture must be a bit different. Aren't they a lot more studious and take huge care to achieve great letter grades? Maybe they view the F rank as sort of a community driven challenge. Like a goal, something to be proud of overcoming.
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On May 29 2017 06:22 eviltomahawk wrote:
If they do letter ranks again, they should do S-E instead of A-F. The F rank just carries too much of a bad connotation with failure, and that's only slightly more merciful to a noob than the game telling them to straight-up uninstall. This is the mentality that worries me about the medal grading system in the first place. People start worrying about the message its sending. People get offended. I'm silver? Thats a mean metal, it doesnt imply im good. Poor me. Maybe we should change? Is the game failing because newbies are upset about being bronze? Whats a fluffier name than bronze?
Anyone who's actually concerned with the "feeling" of a rank is missing the point of broodwar, and has missed the boat entirely on what keeps anyone in a game.
That goes to the people whining about how A-F rank "just feels like broodwar to them". No, you associate it with broodwar because thats how broodwar has been up until now. Things change!
edit: if you felt degraded about being F rank in a video game, you might have self esteem issues...
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Stupid post
User was warned for this post
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On May 29 2017 10:44 JungleTerrain wrote:
Stupid post
User was warned for this post
Fuck, You can't delete posts? What do you do if you want to "delete" your own post? I meant my own post was stupid.
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United States12247 Posts
No you can't delete posts. Sorry :[ I misinterpreted.
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On May 29 2017 10:53 JungleTerrain wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2017 10:44 JungleTerrain wrote:
Stupid post
User was warned for this post Fuck, You can't delete posts? What do you do if you want to "delete" your own post? I meant my own post was stupid.
Can't delete but when you edit, just write "Edit:" in front, so it's easier to understand what you meant. Like:
"Edit: Sorry. my post was stupid."
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It's weird how people automatically assume that the rankings will be based on the same (small) player pool BW previously had, when obviously this release will inflate ranks heavily.
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Bearded Elder29904 Posts
Why Blizzard, why. Do you want to make me spend another couple of years playing BW?
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What kind of profiles will non remastered players have access to?
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On May 29 2017 15:41 oOOoOphidian wrote:
It's weird how people automatically assume that the rankings will be based on the same (small) player pool BW previously had, when obviously this release will inflate ranks heavily.
Not everyone is going to play on Eu/NA/whatever. Most likely all the really good players will stick to Fish, it's where the korean pro's and semi-pros will most likely keep on playing. And I was under the assumption that Fish would also adopt bronze-grandmaster, but eon mentioned otherwise? That's great news.
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That's amazing genuinely happy about that, no complaints
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On May 29 2017 07:01 Dazed_Spy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2017 06:22 eviltomahawk wrote:
If they do letter ranks again, they should do S-E instead of A-F. The F rank just carries too much of a bad connotation with failure, and that's only slightly more merciful to a noob than the game telling them to straight-up uninstall. This is the mentality that worries me about the medal grading system in the first place. People start worrying about the message its sending. People get offended. I'm silver? Thats a mean metal, it doesnt imply im good. Poor me. Maybe we should change? Is the game failing because newbies are upset about being bronze? Whats a fluffier name than bronze? Anyone who's actually concerned with the "feeling" of a rank is missing the point of broodwar, and has missed the boat entirely on what keeps anyone in a game. That goes to the people whining about how A-F rank "just feels like broodwar to them". No, you associate it with broodwar because thats how broodwar has been up until now. Things change! edit: if you felt degraded about being F rank in a video game, you might have self esteem issues...
Pretty much, it's a huge non-complaint
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Ridiculous how people are stupidly haggling over whether the labels Bronze to GM or the labels F to A should be used, while ignoring the substantive debate of whether or not the ranking is based on MMR or meaningless SC2-type points.
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I only hope that they'll keep commands such as /f m /f l, etc.
Everything looks really great but as the times goes on I become more worried about the chat in 1.18 - respectively in SC:R
P.S. After all we can run away from these stupid meaningless MMR shit and the 'awesomely idiotic" bronze to master ranking.
FISH FTW
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I hope by changing from D-S to metals doesn't signal that they also want to implement matchmaking. In my experience it totally depersonalizes finding a match, makes the community antisocial, and keeps you from facing a more diverse range of opponents. My other favorite game Team Fortress 2 died to this mistake of feature, and it's one of the reasons I believe SC2 never took off when it should have. LoL was 'successful' with matchmaking but it's a team game and I hope no one wants the Broodwar community to be like theirs.
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The whole point of the new system IS matchmaking. Matchmaking has been expected from the day of the Remastered announcement.
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