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XERX
85 Posts
On July 07 2017 13:06 GTR wrote: Blizzard far richer than KeSPA? You do realise that KeSPA is made up of members of some of the richest companies in the world, including Samsung, SK and Hanjin right? Except all those companies won't waste their time and money for Kespa. | ||
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Stax736
United States119 Posts
On July 07 2017 13:06 GTR wrote: Blizzard far richer than KeSPA? You do realise that KeSPA is made up of members of some of the richest companies in the world, including Samsung, SK and Hanjin right? The strange thing is they catered to Blizzard's so called intellectual property. This is why the term limit for copyright should be like 12 years at most. And S.Korea wasn't really violating copyright. I believe the only you can violate a copyright is through illegal distribution (ie piracy). S.Korea was broadcasting legitimately bought Starcraft games. It's odd how the copyright laws are these days, that broadcasting a game is the same as illegally distributing a game. | ||
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1030xxx
Australia62 Posts
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Stax736
United States119 Posts
On July 06 2017 13:23 K.H.J wrote: Well, i understand this decision. but one thing i cant understand is that why they didnt mention it earlier? Im really worried Sponsor of this ATB.(Same corp. in last season). So many fans, sponsor, AfreecaTV had been looked Blizzard's mouse for 4 weeks..... When a corporation has some government law backing them up (copyright) it's not really surprising they behave like this. This is also called corporate power. All large tech firms and video game companies will defend their so called intellectual property even if it goes against consumer interest. Why do you think Nintendo has gotten so much hate recently? How to prevent these companies from behaving this like? You get rid of their power which is copyright. I wouldn't go as far and say that copyright should be abolished, but there are a lot of things that needs to be reduced and abolished. The term limit should be like 12 years at most. The current copyright duration is a lifetime + 75 years which is unjust and actually unconstitutional (see the eighth amendment). The DMCA and international ip laws shouldn't even exist. What Blizzard is doing is clearly wrong, but copyright gives Blizzard the power to do this. I know everyone here believes in copyright because you guys are probably thinking without copyright how can content creators be rewarded for their work, but you clearly are seeing the problems when copyright is extended for far too long. | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12041 Posts
On July 07 2017 10:08 Ancestral wrote: I invite you to post what law you think it is that says every frame of a video game generated by anyone is under the sole ownership of the owner of the videogame. Because in that case, you cannot even record yourself playing legally, even if you don't share it with anyone. I'm not being snarky or sarcastic - I'm not familiar with the law and the specific part that states that unambiguously. So please post it, since you seem to be aware of it. It's got nothing to do with the fact that the game is being recorded, it's the fact they're benefitting monetarily without giving any royalties or money to the people who actually own the rights to the game. It's the same reason you don't see random channels broadcasting something like football, because channels have to pay the people who own the rights of said game to broadcast it. | ||
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NickHotS
United States105 Posts
On July 07 2017 13:06 GTR wrote: Blizzard far richer than KeSPA? You do realise that KeSPA is made up of members of some of the richest companies in the world, including Samsung, SK and Hanjin right? KeSPA is an eSports association made up by those companies, but that doesn't mean it shares their wealth. It is but a small venture for them. Yes, Blizzard is much richer and more influential than KeSPA, and can strong arm any organization infringing on their IP rights. | ||
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K.H.J
Korea (South)769 Posts
7/16 7/18 7/19 7/21 : Ro8 7/25 7/26 : Ro4 Prize : 1st 5,000$ 2nd 3,000$ Team : same | ||
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Jealous
10336 Posts
On July 07 2017 19:16 K.H.J wrote: Ginewda's Team battle 7/16 7/18 7/19 7/21 : Ro8 7/25 7/26 : Ro4 Prize : 1st 5,000$ 2nd 3,000$ Team : same Big props to Ginewda and Afreeca for setting this up with such short notice. Looking forward to the games regardless! Thank you K.H.J for these updates!! They are very much appreciated. | ||
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shizzz
Australia127 Posts
On July 07 2017 12:44 Waxangel wrote: This is what KeSPA tried to go to court with against Blizzard a long time ago. The fact that they eventually dropped the case and kowtowed to Blizzard (changing their tone 180 degrees, releasing a statement that explicitly ceded all rights belong 100% to Blizzard), combined with the fact that no esports organization in the entire world has tried to challenge any publisher on the copyright to tournament broadcast, leads me to believe they have been advised by credible IP experts/lawyers that there is no chance in hell of winning such a case. (Completely open to being corrected here) Did KeSPA ever do that though? I thought the KeSPA/Blizz court situation ended due to reaching an agreement, with Blizzard's original demands being found unreasonable and KeSPA's rights solidified (to host tournaments as they saw fit, but with a licencing fee, which is what they always wanted). | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5221 Posts
Can't wait to see the teams go at it. | ||
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1030xxx
Australia62 Posts
On July 07 2017 19:16 K.H.J wrote: Ginewda's Team battle 7/16 7/18 7/19 7/21 : Ro8 7/25 7/26 : Ro4 Prize : 1st 5,000$ 2nd 3,000$ Team : same When is the final? Or the final will be played on 7/26? Looks like this will be the last big match for classic BW, and 7/30 remaster will be released. | ||
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RealityIsKing
613 Posts
On July 07 2017 21:35 shizzz wrote: (Completely open to being corrected here) Did KeSPA ever do that though? I thought the KeSPA/Blizz court situation ended due to reaching an agreement, with Blizzard's original demands being found unreasonable and KeSPA's rights solidified (to host tournaments as they saw fit, but with a licencing fee, which is what they always wanted). That and at that point Kespa gave up because of LoL. They probably did a cost and benefit analysis of using money to fight against Blizzard vs using the same money to develop LoL proscene. | ||
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K.H.J
Korea (South)769 Posts
He get partnerBJ recently.(Because of ACL) CEO Kevin order him to hold this team battle. Because of Approval problem, They choose online and diminish prize pool. And this prize will be given by AfreecaTV. Final date and place are not arranged now. They want offline final, and it needs time. | ||
c3rberUs
Japan11286 Posts
Much appreciation to those involved! | ||
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Chef
10810 Posts
The more Blizzard gets their fingers in people's pies, the less people are gonna feel like making them. It's one thing for them to benefit indirectly from people loving their game, it's another to basically use people as free labour because they are monsters. | ||
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Bijan
United States286 Posts
On July 07 2017 15:16 Qikz wrote: It's the same reason you don't see random channels broadcasting something like football, because channels have to pay the people who own the rights of said game to broadcast it. Do they have to pay to broadcast the game or do they pay to broadcast the league? I don't think traditional sports can be used as a good comparison. On a separate note, is there any difference between Let's Plays/streaming and Broadcasting a tournament? I would say tournaments are far more transformative and I would be worried about the type of precedent set for video games as a whole if Blizzard were to win such a case about IP rights and tournament broadcasting. It seems to me like legally this is a road we don't want to go down. It seems like it should be within their right to control such a thing even if it would be in their best interest to not. It would be a can of worms we wouldn't be able to close again. | ||
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BossPurple
Sweden65 Posts
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ImbaTosS
United Kingdom1717 Posts
All you who came out with "Aww how nice Blizzard are remastering Brood War, why should we be against it if the product is decent?", I point you to... exactly this kind of thing. Blizzard getting their mittens deep into the tournament scene, and screwing the fans. We had relative independence. That was valuable. Now we don't. A lot of things have failed to kill BW, but Blizzard swanning in with some funky graphics to rinse cash out out could well be what does it. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
Maybe even blizzard will support the korean scene a bit. Yes it sucks that this was handled poorly, but right now it's just that. A poorly handled situation | ||
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RealityIsKing
613 Posts
On July 08 2017 01:12 The_Red_Viper wrote: Way to overreact, why not just see what happens after the remastered launch? There are rumors of OGN creating tournaments, etc. Maybe even blizzard will support the korean scene a bit. Yes it sucks that this was handled poorly, but right now it's just that. A poorly handled situation Answer me this. Why would Blizzard stop SC tournaments of any kind from happening? It doesn't make sense, more tournaments just means more exposure to their product. If it is "Just because they can", then dick moves by them. | ||
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