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United Kingdom1709 Posts
On July 08 2017 01:12 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Way to overreact, why not just see what happens after the remastered launch? There are rumors of OGN creating tournaments, etc.
Maybe even blizzard will support the korean scene a bit.
Yes it sucks that this was handled poorly, but right now it's just that. A poorly handled situation
Me, a few minutes ago:
We had relative independence. That was valuable. Now we don't.
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On July 08 2017 01:44 RealityIsKing wrote:
It doesn't make sense, more tournaments just means more exposure to their product.
Maybe it is because pros dont want to play on 1.18.
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On July 08 2017 02:03 toriak wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2017 01:44 RealityIsKing wrote:
It doesn't make sense, more tournaments just means more exposure to their product.
Maybe it is because pros dont want to play on 1.18.
I don't think Blizzard should cancel tournaments because they use the wrong patch, or the wrong graphics, or the use Acer monitors instead of HP, or whatever.
The tournament organizers did nothing wrong and Blizzard intervened merely because they for some reason think their launch will be affected.
But! The scene has triumphed thanks to the energy and enthusiasm of its members. I applaud them for coming up with a consolation which will be every bit as entertaining, if slightly more of a headache.
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On July 08 2017 02:45 Ancestral wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2017 02:03 toriak wrote:On July 08 2017 01:44 RealityIsKing wrote:
It doesn't make sense, more tournaments just means more exposure to their product.
Maybe it is because pros dont want to play on 1.18. I don't think Blizzard should cancel tournaments because they use the wrong patch, or the wrong graphics, or the use Acer monitors instead of HP, or whatever. The tournament organizers did nothing wrong and Blizzard intervened merely because they for some reason think their launch will be affected. But! The scene has triumphed thanks to the energy and enthusiasm of its members. I applaud them for coming up with a consolation which will be every bit as entertaining, if slightly more of a headache.
This is why I think this is a bit of an overreaction. Blizzard has done far worse to fuck the BW scene when SC2 came out. I honestly don't believe it was with malicious intent either, they are just very out of touch with a core base of their fans. Here they made a decision that they believed was important to their business interests, but BW fans have faithfully kept their game alive through sheer force of will, the game will never truly die as long as people care as much as they do.
The irony is that the game will survive because fans are so passionate, so I can't tell people not to be upset or up in arms about Blizzard's actions, even if I think this situation is nothing to worry about.
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On July 08 2017 01:44 RealityIsKing wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2017 01:12 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Way to overreact, why not just see what happens after the remastered launch? There are rumors of OGN creating tournaments, etc.
Maybe even blizzard will support the korean scene a bit.
Yes it sucks that this was handled poorly, but right now it's just that. A poorly handled situation Answer me this. Why would Blizzard stop SC tournaments of any kind from happening? It doesn't make sense, more tournaments just means more exposure to their product. If it is "Just because they can", then dick moves by them.
They probably wanted to delay it until remaster was out to maximize hype. Sounds like the way they did it was sloppy though. Bad PR
Oh wait I mean Blizzard hates the fans and just wants our 15 dollars bwa hahahaha haha AHAHAHA
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On July 08 2017 03:59 Little-Chimp wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2017 01:44 RealityIsKing wrote:On July 08 2017 01:12 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Way to overreact, why not just see what happens after the remastered launch? There are rumors of OGN creating tournaments, etc.
Maybe even blizzard will support the korean scene a bit.
Yes it sucks that this was handled poorly, but right now it's just that. A poorly handled situation Answer me this. Why would Blizzard stop SC tournaments of any kind from happening? It doesn't make sense, more tournaments just means more exposure to their product. If it is "Just because they can", then dick moves by them. They probably wanted to delay it until remaster was out to maximize hype. Sounds like the way they did it was sloppy though. Bad PR Oh wait I mean Blizzard hates the fans and just wants our 15 dollars bwa hahahaha haha AHAHAHA
dont know if i understand you correctly but actually yes for blizzard SC:R could turn out an insane profit, since bw sold almost 10million copies..
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On July 08 2017 03:59 Little-Chimp wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2017 01:44 RealityIsKing wrote:On July 08 2017 01:12 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Way to overreact, why not just see what happens after the remastered launch? There are rumors of OGN creating tournaments, etc.
Maybe even blizzard will support the korean scene a bit.
Yes it sucks that this was handled poorly, but right now it's just that. A poorly handled situation Answer me this. Why would Blizzard stop SC tournaments of any kind from happening? It doesn't make sense, more tournaments just means more exposure to their product. If it is "Just because they can", then dick moves by them. They probably wanted to delay it until remaster was out to maximize hype. Sounds like the way they did it was sloppy though. Bad PR Oh wait I mean Blizzard hates the fans and just wants our 15 dollars bwa hahahaha haha AHAHAHA
Here, maybe this will help. I said it in response to your last zero-effort meme about $15, which literally no one aside from you is even talking about in this thread.
Have you even read the thread title? Blizzard forbade ATB2 from occurring because they want to hype SC:R, proving they have no interest in the unfettered procession of the BW competitive scene and rather just want some of the sweet sweet cash from it's return. This thread is about ATB2.
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On July 08 2017 03:59 Little-Chimp wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2017 01:44 RealityIsKing wrote:On July 08 2017 01:12 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Way to overreact, why not just see what happens after the remastered launch? There are rumors of OGN creating tournaments, etc.
Maybe even blizzard will support the korean scene a bit.
Yes it sucks that this was handled poorly, but right now it's just that. A poorly handled situation Answer me this. Why would Blizzard stop SC tournaments of any kind from happening? It doesn't make sense, more tournaments just means more exposure to their product. If it is "Just because they can", then dick moves by them. They probably wanted to delay it until remaster was out to maximize hype. Sounds like the way they did it was sloppy though. Bad PR Oh wait I mean Blizzard hates the fans and just wants our 15 dollars bwa hahahaha haha AHAHAHA
I dont see what is wrong here, it is a company, it seeks above all the profits of course, it is not charity, but it'salso a fan service.
And having a tournament with the best players in the world could make an incredible publicity for a counterpart that's not huge, only a small postponement.
So the organizers may have more viewer (due to that) and SC: R receives an ad, it's really a win-win situation for the BW scene.
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On July 08 2017 04:07 Ancestral wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2017 03:59 Little-Chimp wrote:On July 08 2017 01:44 RealityIsKing wrote:On July 08 2017 01:12 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Way to overreact, why not just see what happens after the remastered launch? There are rumors of OGN creating tournaments, etc.
Maybe even blizzard will support the korean scene a bit.
Yes it sucks that this was handled poorly, but right now it's just that. A poorly handled situation Answer me this. Why would Blizzard stop SC tournaments of any kind from happening? It doesn't make sense, more tournaments just means more exposure to their product. If it is "Just because they can", then dick moves by them. They probably wanted to delay it until remaster was out to maximize hype. Sounds like the way they did it was sloppy though. Bad PR Oh wait I mean Blizzard hates the fans and just wants our 15 dollars bwa hahahaha haha AHAHAHA Here, maybe this will help. I said it in response to your last zero-effort meme about $15, which literally no one aside from you is even talking about in this thread. Show nested quote +Have you even read the thread title? Blizzard forbade ATB2 from occurring because they want to hype SC:R, proving they have no interest in the unfettered procession of the BW competitive scene and rather just want some of the sweet sweet cash from it's return. This thread is about ATB2.
Yeah it was a joke. Basically at people's expense like you who have a severe victim complex with Blizzard because Brood War lost popularity for a while while SC2 was a big thing.
As for a response to your quote, obviously Blizzard has interest in both cash and a competitive BW scene. When you work with a company like Blizzard, there's going to be positives and negatives. The positives is that tournaments will be sponsored by blizzbucks which is nice for players, and sc remastered will generate a lot of hype for these things (especially with foreigners). The negatives include sometimes having to do what they tell you and shitty things like this. I already said they managed this situation poorly by not explaining themselves.
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On July 08 2017 04:18 Little-Chimp wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2017 04:07 Ancestral wrote:On July 08 2017 03:59 Little-Chimp wrote:On July 08 2017 01:44 RealityIsKing wrote:On July 08 2017 01:12 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Way to overreact, why not just see what happens after the remastered launch? There are rumors of OGN creating tournaments, etc.
Maybe even blizzard will support the korean scene a bit.
Yes it sucks that this was handled poorly, but right now it's just that. A poorly handled situation Answer me this. Why would Blizzard stop SC tournaments of any kind from happening? It doesn't make sense, more tournaments just means more exposure to their product. If it is "Just because they can", then dick moves by them. They probably wanted to delay it until remaster was out to maximize hype. Sounds like the way they did it was sloppy though. Bad PR Oh wait I mean Blizzard hates the fans and just wants our 15 dollars bwa hahahaha haha AHAHAHA Here, maybe this will help. I said it in response to your last zero-effort meme about $15, which literally no one aside from you is even talking about in this thread. Have you even read the thread title? Blizzard forbade ATB2 from occurring because they want to hype SC:R, proving they have no interest in the unfettered procession of the BW competitive scene and rather just want some of the sweet sweet cash from it's return. This thread is about ATB2. Yeah it was a joke. Basically at people's expense like you who have a severe victim complex with Blizzard because Brood War lost popularity for a while while SC2 was a big thing. As for a response to your quote, obviously Blizzard has interest in both cash and a competitive BW scene. When you work with a company like Blizzard, there's going to be positives and negatives. The positives is that tournaments will be sponsored by blizzbucks which is nice for players, and sc remastered will generate a lot of hype for these things (especially with foreigners). The negatives include sometimes having to do what they tell you and shitty things like this. I already said they managed this situation poorly by not explaining themselves.
Nice personal attack. I don't feel like a victim, and you got the history completely wrong. Also, Blizzard wants fees; they don't give money to tournament organizers. So, 0/3. But at least you got right that they're terrible at PR sometimes.
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On July 08 2017 04:24 Ancestral wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2017 04:18 Little-Chimp wrote:On July 08 2017 04:07 Ancestral wrote:On July 08 2017 03:59 Little-Chimp wrote:On July 08 2017 01:44 RealityIsKing wrote:On July 08 2017 01:12 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Way to overreact, why not just see what happens after the remastered launch? There are rumors of OGN creating tournaments, etc.
Maybe even blizzard will support the korean scene a bit.
Yes it sucks that this was handled poorly, but right now it's just that. A poorly handled situation Answer me this. Why would Blizzard stop SC tournaments of any kind from happening? It doesn't make sense, more tournaments just means more exposure to their product. If it is "Just because they can", then dick moves by them. They probably wanted to delay it until remaster was out to maximize hype. Sounds like the way they did it was sloppy though. Bad PR Oh wait I mean Blizzard hates the fans and just wants our 15 dollars bwa hahahaha haha AHAHAHA Here, maybe this will help. I said it in response to your last zero-effort meme about $15, which literally no one aside from you is even talking about in this thread. Have you even read the thread title? Blizzard forbade ATB2 from occurring because they want to hype SC:R, proving they have no interest in the unfettered procession of the BW competitive scene and rather just want some of the sweet sweet cash from it's return. This thread is about ATB2. Yeah it was a joke. Basically at people's expense like you who have a severe victim complex with Blizzard because Brood War lost popularity for a while while SC2 was a big thing. As for a response to your quote, obviously Blizzard has interest in both cash and a competitive BW scene. When you work with a company like Blizzard, there's going to be positives and negatives. The positives is that tournaments will be sponsored by blizzbucks which is nice for players, and sc remastered will generate a lot of hype for these things (especially with foreigners). The negatives include sometimes having to do what they tell you and shitty things like this. I already said they managed this situation poorly by not explaining themselves. Nice personal attack. I don't feel like a victim, and you got the history completely wrong. Also, Blizzard wants fees; they don't give money to tournament organizers. So, 0/3. But at least you got right that they're terrible at PR sometimes.
Go ahead and explain the history then (this time with actual evidence). And you sure act like a victim to me duderino.
Maybe I was wrong about Blizz sponsoring tourneys though, admittedly I haven't looked into the financial aspect. I just assume they would help out like with WCS.
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Wow I'm pretty much shocked. First they waste their and our time with not saying a shit about that and then boom - they cancel it like they own it. Disappointed. Like I said if they allowed ATB long ago it could end before release date of SC:R and they could play ASL4 on Remastered.
Go fuck yourselves... we don't even know what/who else Blizz will screw up, it's only beginning.
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I wonder if we can tweet Mike Morhaime about this.
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On July 08 2017 04:24 Ancestral wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2017 04:18 Little-Chimp wrote:On July 08 2017 04:07 Ancestral wrote:On July 08 2017 03:59 Little-Chimp wrote:On July 08 2017 01:44 RealityIsKing wrote:On July 08 2017 01:12 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Way to overreact, why not just see what happens after the remastered launch? There are rumors of OGN creating tournaments, etc.
Maybe even blizzard will support the korean scene a bit.
Yes it sucks that this was handled poorly, but right now it's just that. A poorly handled situation Answer me this. Why would Blizzard stop SC tournaments of any kind from happening? It doesn't make sense, more tournaments just means more exposure to their product. If it is "Just because they can", then dick moves by them. They probably wanted to delay it until remaster was out to maximize hype. Sounds like the way they did it was sloppy though. Bad PR Oh wait I mean Blizzard hates the fans and just wants our 15 dollars bwa hahahaha haha AHAHAHA Here, maybe this will help. I said it in response to your last zero-effort meme about $15, which literally no one aside from you is even talking about in this thread. Have you even read the thread title? Blizzard forbade ATB2 from occurring because they want to hype SC:R, proving they have no interest in the unfettered procession of the BW competitive scene and rather just want some of the sweet sweet cash from it's return. This thread is about ATB2. Yeah it was a joke. Basically at people's expense like you who have a severe victim complex with Blizzard because Brood War lost popularity for a while while SC2 was a big thing. As for a response to your quote, obviously Blizzard has interest in both cash and a competitive BW scene. When you work with a company like Blizzard, there's going to be positives and negatives. The positives is that tournaments will be sponsored by blizzbucks which is nice for players, and sc remastered will generate a lot of hype for these things (especially with foreigners). The negatives include sometimes having to do what they tell you and shitty things like this. I already said they managed this situation poorly by not explaining themselves. Nice personal attack. I don't feel like a victim, and you got the history completely wrong. Also, Blizzard wants fees; they don't give money to tournament organizers. So, 0/3. But at least you got right that they're terrible at PR sometimes.
...you know Blizzard bankrolls multiple esports games that make zero sense from a balance sheet perspective, right?
you know they've been giving the ASL money, right?
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On July 08 2017 04:41 eviltomahawk wrote:
I wonder if we can tweet Mike Morhaime about this.
Not a bad idea, he seems like a pretty chill dude who likes Starcraft from the few interviews he's done. I imagine it'll just get ignored though.
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On July 08 2017 05:03 eviltomahawk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2017 04:50 Little-Chimp wrote:On July 08 2017 04:41 eviltomahawk wrote:
I wonder if we can tweet Mike Morhaime about this. Not a bad idea, he seems like a pretty chill dude who likes Starcraft from the few interviews he's done. I imagine it'll just get ignored though. He did tweet about helping out Sonic Starleague sort out one of its licensing debacles.Although this ASL Team Battle is a much smaller profile tournament, so it'll be harder to get a similar response.
That thread is pretty neat. It's like this one on steroids but 5 years ago.
"Fuck blizzard!!!"
And then everything turned out okay in the end
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On July 08 2017 04:48 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2017 04:24 Ancestral wrote:On July 08 2017 04:18 Little-Chimp wrote:On July 08 2017 04:07 Ancestral wrote:On July 08 2017 03:59 Little-Chimp wrote:On July 08 2017 01:44 RealityIsKing wrote:On July 08 2017 01:12 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Way to overreact, why not just see what happens after the remastered launch? There are rumors of OGN creating tournaments, etc.
Maybe even blizzard will support the korean scene a bit.
Yes it sucks that this was handled poorly, but right now it's just that. A poorly handled situation Answer me this. Why would Blizzard stop SC tournaments of any kind from happening? It doesn't make sense, more tournaments just means more exposure to their product. If it is "Just because they can", then dick moves by them. They probably wanted to delay it until remaster was out to maximize hype. Sounds like the way they did it was sloppy though. Bad PR Oh wait I mean Blizzard hates the fans and just wants our 15 dollars bwa hahahaha haha AHAHAHA Here, maybe this will help. I said it in response to your last zero-effort meme about $15, which literally no one aside from you is even talking about in this thread. Have you even read the thread title? Blizzard forbade ATB2 from occurring because they want to hype SC:R, proving they have no interest in the unfettered procession of the BW competitive scene and rather just want some of the sweet sweet cash from it's return. This thread is about ATB2. Yeah it was a joke. Basically at people's expense like you who have a severe victim complex with Blizzard because Brood War lost popularity for a while while SC2 was a big thing. As for a response to your quote, obviously Blizzard has interest in both cash and a competitive BW scene. When you work with a company like Blizzard, there's going to be positives and negatives. The positives is that tournaments will be sponsored by blizzbucks which is nice for players, and sc remastered will generate a lot of hype for these things (especially with foreigners). The negatives include sometimes having to do what they tell you and shitty things like this. I already said they managed this situation poorly by not explaining themselves. Nice personal attack. I don't feel like a victim, and you got the history completely wrong. Also, Blizzard wants fees; they don't give money to tournament organizers. So, 0/3. But at least you got right that they're terrible at PR sometimes. ...you know Blizzard bankrolls multiple esports games that make zero sense from a balance sheet perspective, right?
Just to be equitable, [citation needed]. Show me the balance sheets that were approved that showed negative projected profit.
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On July 08 2017 06:14 Ancestral wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2017 04:48 Waxangel wrote:On July 08 2017 04:24 Ancestral wrote:On July 08 2017 04:18 Little-Chimp wrote:On July 08 2017 04:07 Ancestral wrote:On July 08 2017 03:59 Little-Chimp wrote:On July 08 2017 01:44 RealityIsKing wrote:On July 08 2017 01:12 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Way to overreact, why not just see what happens after the remastered launch? There are rumors of OGN creating tournaments, etc.
Maybe even blizzard will support the korean scene a bit.
Yes it sucks that this was handled poorly, but right now it's just that. A poorly handled situation Answer me this. Why would Blizzard stop SC tournaments of any kind from happening? It doesn't make sense, more tournaments just means more exposure to their product. If it is "Just because they can", then dick moves by them. They probably wanted to delay it until remaster was out to maximize hype. Sounds like the way they did it was sloppy though. Bad PR Oh wait I mean Blizzard hates the fans and just wants our 15 dollars bwa hahahaha haha AHAHAHA Here, maybe this will help. I said it in response to your last zero-effort meme about $15, which literally no one aside from you is even talking about in this thread. Have you even read the thread title? Blizzard forbade ATB2 from occurring because they want to hype SC:R, proving they have no interest in the unfettered procession of the BW competitive scene and rather just want some of the sweet sweet cash from it's return. This thread is about ATB2. Yeah it was a joke. Basically at people's expense like you who have a severe victim complex with Blizzard because Brood War lost popularity for a while while SC2 was a big thing. As for a response to your quote, obviously Blizzard has interest in both cash and a competitive BW scene. When you work with a company like Blizzard, there's going to be positives and negatives. The positives is that tournaments will be sponsored by blizzbucks which is nice for players, and sc remastered will generate a lot of hype for these things (especially with foreigners). The negatives include sometimes having to do what they tell you and shitty things like this. I already said they managed this situation poorly by not explaining themselves. Nice personal attack. I don't feel like a victim, and you got the history completely wrong. Also, Blizzard wants fees; they don't give money to tournament organizers. So, 0/3. But at least you got right that they're terrible at PR sometimes. ...you know Blizzard bankrolls multiple esports games that make zero sense from a balance sheet perspective, right? Just to be equitable, [citation needed]. Show me the balance sheets that were approved that showed negative projected profit.
show us the opposite?
I think to Waxs point we only need to look at Heroes of the Storms HGC, however that's an assumption. Wax works with these people and writes about them professionally, I'd say he's got a better idea than most of us.
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On July 08 2017 05:28 Little-Chimp wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2017 05:03 eviltomahawk wrote:On July 08 2017 04:50 Little-Chimp wrote:On July 08 2017 04:41 eviltomahawk wrote:
I wonder if we can tweet Mike Morhaime about this. Not a bad idea, he seems like a pretty chill dude who likes Starcraft from the few interviews he's done. I imagine it'll just get ignored though. He did tweet about helping out Sonic Starleague sort out one of its licensing debacles.Although this ASL Team Battle is a much smaller profile tournament, so it'll be harder to get a similar response. That thread is pretty neat. It's like this one on steroids but 5 years ago. "Fuck blizzard!!!" And then everything turned out okay in the end
The licensing debacle IS the bit that's not ok- that because of a big lawsuit everything has to jump through extra hoops and be at the behest of a company who are not, fundamentally about the long-term good of the scene.
Further, this is the issue with losing autonomy entirely. It's not that Blizzard are evil, but that they have a different set of interests and skew the balance of power massively away from fans, players and fan-led organisations, and into the realm of corporate profit. Again, I'm not saying this is evil, it's fine for what it is, but that it's a model which has led to boom and bust in other esports such as SC2, rather than what has let Broodwar survive. Blizzard have, and can exert a level of control that we haven't seen before, concentrated in the hands of one organisation, and have greater ooportunity to profit directly from the game by orders of magnitude, I would say, than any other organisation before.
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