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On July 08 2017 06:50 SchAmToo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2017 06:14 Ancestral wrote:On July 08 2017 04:48 Waxangel wrote:On July 08 2017 04:24 Ancestral wrote:On July 08 2017 04:18 Little-Chimp wrote:On July 08 2017 04:07 Ancestral wrote:On July 08 2017 03:59 Little-Chimp wrote:On July 08 2017 01:44 RealityIsKing wrote:On July 08 2017 01:12 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Way to overreact, why not just see what happens after the remastered launch? There are rumors of OGN creating tournaments, etc.
Maybe even blizzard will support the korean scene a bit.
Yes it sucks that this was handled poorly, but right now it's just that. A poorly handled situation Answer me this. Why would Blizzard stop SC tournaments of any kind from happening? It doesn't make sense, more tournaments just means more exposure to their product. If it is "Just because they can", then dick moves by them. They probably wanted to delay it until remaster was out to maximize hype. Sounds like the way they did it was sloppy though. Bad PR Oh wait I mean Blizzard hates the fans and just wants our 15 dollars bwa hahahaha haha AHAHAHA Here, maybe this will help. I said it in response to your last zero-effort meme about $15, which literally no one aside from you is even talking about in this thread. Have you even read the thread title? Blizzard forbade ATB2 from occurring because they want to hype SC:R, proving they have no interest in the unfettered procession of the BW competitive scene and rather just want some of the sweet sweet cash from it's return. This thread is about ATB2. Yeah it was a joke. Basically at people's expense like you who have a severe victim complex with Blizzard because Brood War lost popularity for a while while SC2 was a big thing. As for a response to your quote, obviously Blizzard has interest in both cash and a competitive BW scene. When you work with a company like Blizzard, there's going to be positives and negatives. The positives is that tournaments will be sponsored by blizzbucks which is nice for players, and sc remastered will generate a lot of hype for these things (especially with foreigners). The negatives include sometimes having to do what they tell you and shitty things like this. I already said they managed this situation poorly by not explaining themselves. Nice personal attack. I don't feel like a victim, and you got the history completely wrong. Also, Blizzard wants fees; they don't give money to tournament organizers. So, 0/3. But at least you got right that they're terrible at PR sometimes. ...you know Blizzard bankrolls multiple esports games that make zero sense from a balance sheet perspective, right? Just to be equitable, [citation needed]. Show me the balance sheets that were approved that showed negative projected profit. show us the opposite? I think to Waxs point we only need to look at Heroes of the Storms HGC, however that's an assumption. Wax works with these people and writes about them professionally, I'd say he's got a better idea than most of us.
To be fair, Wax is making a concrete claim and requires others to post solid evidence, as is his prerogative of course. If he's able to make this claim and genuinely has the connections and info to back it up, then posting at least a decent summary of how he came to know it isn't a particularly onerous or unreasonable request.
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On July 08 2017 06:50 SchAmToo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2017 06:14 Ancestral wrote:On July 08 2017 04:48 Waxangel wrote:On July 08 2017 04:24 Ancestral wrote:On July 08 2017 04:18 Little-Chimp wrote:On July 08 2017 04:07 Ancestral wrote:On July 08 2017 03:59 Little-Chimp wrote:On July 08 2017 01:44 RealityIsKing wrote:On July 08 2017 01:12 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Way to overreact, why not just see what happens after the remastered launch? There are rumors of OGN creating tournaments, etc.
Maybe even blizzard will support the korean scene a bit.
Yes it sucks that this was handled poorly, but right now it's just that. A poorly handled situation Answer me this. Why would Blizzard stop SC tournaments of any kind from happening? It doesn't make sense, more tournaments just means more exposure to their product. If it is "Just because they can", then dick moves by them. They probably wanted to delay it until remaster was out to maximize hype. Sounds like the way they did it was sloppy though. Bad PR Oh wait I mean Blizzard hates the fans and just wants our 15 dollars bwa hahahaha haha AHAHAHA Here, maybe this will help. I said it in response to your last zero-effort meme about $15, which literally no one aside from you is even talking about in this thread. Have you even read the thread title? Blizzard forbade ATB2 from occurring because they want to hype SC:R, proving they have no interest in the unfettered procession of the BW competitive scene and rather just want some of the sweet sweet cash from it's return. This thread is about ATB2. Yeah it was a joke. Basically at people's expense like you who have a severe victim complex with Blizzard because Brood War lost popularity for a while while SC2 was a big thing. As for a response to your quote, obviously Blizzard has interest in both cash and a competitive BW scene. When you work with a company like Blizzard, there's going to be positives and negatives. The positives is that tournaments will be sponsored by blizzbucks which is nice for players, and sc remastered will generate a lot of hype for these things (especially with foreigners). The negatives include sometimes having to do what they tell you and shitty things like this. I already said they managed this situation poorly by not explaining themselves. Nice personal attack. I don't feel like a victim, and you got the history completely wrong. Also, Blizzard wants fees; they don't give money to tournament organizers. So, 0/3. But at least you got right that they're terrible at PR sometimes. ...you know Blizzard bankrolls multiple esports games that make zero sense from a balance sheet perspective, right? Just to be equitable, [citation needed]. Show me the balance sheets that were approved that showed negative projected profit. show us the opposite? I think to Waxs point we only need to look at Heroes of the Storms HGC, however that's an assumption. Wax works with these people and writes about them professionally, I'd say he's got a better idea than most of us.
I respect his knowledge of privileged facts. But it's laughable to think he's privy to what the accounting department knows, even if someone from Blizzard says "you know this is a money-losing deal."
I've said it already - I don't think Blizzard is evil. But I do think, in fact know, that the truth is between their PR justificatons and people who think they're totally Machiavellian.
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Let's just hope that this is but an overreaction. The Koreans have some kind of magic when it comes to BW that the game and the pro scene was born and still continues to get revived even now. Match-fixing, Sc2, Sonic -SBENU, through all the ups and downs the BW pro scene are now getting put back up together by the Koreans, this time with Afreeca. Yes, we have the game on offline broadcasting stage again but we also have lost so much, the OSL, MSL, Proleague, professional team with team house, coaching staff support, B teams, Courage league and most of all, we still have the 80s, 90s-born pro gamers but there are no 2000s-born. It is revived, but it is fragile.
Last time, SC2 was released for quite some time thus Blizzard put to rest the whole BW pro scene against its own will. This time, SC:R is not even released yet, and a potential Proleague in the making was canceled. Blizzard's words speak for their propaganda/marketing, but their actions show their agenda and it is eerily déjà vu. This whole time we are here due to the Koreans' magic over BW and again, Blizzard seemingly want to own it and somehow cast it itself.
Like me, who have followed the game and the scene for more or less half of my life and hopefully more in the future, some people are sensitive when it comes to BW pro scene since we love to see it flourish, but we are dreaded that this is the last burst of magic there is in the Koreans and there are no next time.
Let's just hope that this is but an overreaction. 
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On July 08 2017 04:18 Little-Chimp wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2017 04:07 Ancestral wrote:On July 08 2017 03:59 Little-Chimp wrote:On July 08 2017 01:44 RealityIsKing wrote:On July 08 2017 01:12 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Way to overreact, why not just see what happens after the remastered launch? There are rumors of OGN creating tournaments, etc.
Maybe even blizzard will support the korean scene a bit.
Yes it sucks that this was handled poorly, but right now it's just that. A poorly handled situation Answer me this. Why would Blizzard stop SC tournaments of any kind from happening? It doesn't make sense, more tournaments just means more exposure to their product. If it is "Just because they can", then dick moves by them. They probably wanted to delay it until remaster was out to maximize hype. Sounds like the way they did it was sloppy though. Bad PR Oh wait I mean Blizzard hates the fans and just wants our 15 dollars bwa hahahaha haha AHAHAHA Here, maybe this will help. I said it in response to your last zero-effort meme about $15, which literally no one aside from you is even talking about in this thread. Have you even read the thread title? Blizzard forbade ATB2 from occurring because they want to hype SC:R, proving they have no interest in the unfettered procession of the BW competitive scene and rather just want some of the sweet sweet cash from it's return. This thread is about ATB2. Yeah it was a joke. Basically at people's expense like you who have a severe victim complex with Blizzard because Brood War lost popularity for a while while SC2 was a big thing. As for a response to your quote, obviously Blizzard has interest in both cash and a competitive BW scene. When you work with a company like Blizzard, there's going to be positives and negatives. The positives is that tournaments will be sponsored by blizzbucks which is nice for players, and sc remastered will generate a lot of hype for these things (especially with foreigners). The negatives include sometimes having to do what they tell you and shitty things like this. I already said they managed this situation poorly by not explaining themselves.
SC:BW didn't popularity though.
During the last full BW ProLeague, there were way more people showing up than SC2 PL ever did.
And the viewership for BW was consistent in the millions for just a regular PL game in the end of Kespa era.
The thing is that have Blizzard not forced all the players to switch to SC2, PL and OSL would 100% have persisted.
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On July 08 2017 12:48 RealityIsKing wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2017 04:18 Little-Chimp wrote:On July 08 2017 04:07 Ancestral wrote:On July 08 2017 03:59 Little-Chimp wrote:On July 08 2017 01:44 RealityIsKing wrote:On July 08 2017 01:12 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Way to overreact, why not just see what happens after the remastered launch? There are rumors of OGN creating tournaments, etc.
Maybe even blizzard will support the korean scene a bit.
Yes it sucks that this was handled poorly, but right now it's just that. A poorly handled situation Answer me this. Why would Blizzard stop SC tournaments of any kind from happening? It doesn't make sense, more tournaments just means more exposure to their product. If it is "Just because they can", then dick moves by them. They probably wanted to delay it until remaster was out to maximize hype. Sounds like the way they did it was sloppy though. Bad PR Oh wait I mean Blizzard hates the fans and just wants our 15 dollars bwa hahahaha haha AHAHAHA Here, maybe this will help. I said it in response to your last zero-effort meme about $15, which literally no one aside from you is even talking about in this thread. Have you even read the thread title? Blizzard forbade ATB2 from occurring because they want to hype SC:R, proving they have no interest in the unfettered procession of the BW competitive scene and rather just want some of the sweet sweet cash from it's return. This thread is about ATB2. Yeah it was a joke. Basically at people's expense like you who have a severe victim complex with Blizzard because Brood War lost popularity for a while while SC2 was a big thing. As for a response to your quote, obviously Blizzard has interest in both cash and a competitive BW scene. When you work with a company like Blizzard, there's going to be positives and negatives. The positives is that tournaments will be sponsored by blizzbucks which is nice for players, and sc remastered will generate a lot of hype for these things (especially with foreigners). The negatives include sometimes having to do what they tell you and shitty things like this. I already said they managed this situation poorly by not explaining themselves. SC:BW didn't popularity though. During the last full BW ProLeague, there were way more people showing up than SC2 PL ever did. And the viewership for BW was consistent in the millions for just a regular PL game in the end of Kespa era. The thing is that have Blizzard not forced all the players to switch to SC2, PL and OSL would 100% have persisted.
From things I was able to gather, both from player/insider streams talking about old days and talking to some of them myself, popularity of BW did not correlate with the sponsorship that they were getting at that point. To quote Best, (citation: 10/19/15 stream but can't find the VOD), there were 3 sponsors waiting to sponsor Starleague, but then they all decided to not sponsor starleague after the matchfixing incident.
the move was seen as moving away from BW to SC2 at the 'right time' (they solved their issues and had a chance to transfer over from BW to SC2) so that they can keep things going, i.e. sponsorship issues.
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i hope still with 2vs2 but NOT hunters again xD
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On July 08 2017 13:16 supernovamaniac wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2017 12:48 RealityIsKing wrote:On July 08 2017 04:18 Little-Chimp wrote:On July 08 2017 04:07 Ancestral wrote:On July 08 2017 03:59 Little-Chimp wrote:On July 08 2017 01:44 RealityIsKing wrote:On July 08 2017 01:12 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Way to overreact, why not just see what happens after the remastered launch? There are rumors of OGN creating tournaments, etc.
Maybe even blizzard will support the korean scene a bit.
Yes it sucks that this was handled poorly, but right now it's just that. A poorly handled situation Answer me this. Why would Blizzard stop SC tournaments of any kind from happening? It doesn't make sense, more tournaments just means more exposure to their product. If it is "Just because they can", then dick moves by them. They probably wanted to delay it until remaster was out to maximize hype. Sounds like the way they did it was sloppy though. Bad PR Oh wait I mean Blizzard hates the fans and just wants our 15 dollars bwa hahahaha haha AHAHAHA Here, maybe this will help. I said it in response to your last zero-effort meme about $15, which literally no one aside from you is even talking about in this thread. Have you even read the thread title? Blizzard forbade ATB2 from occurring because they want to hype SC:R, proving they have no interest in the unfettered procession of the BW competitive scene and rather just want some of the sweet sweet cash from it's return. This thread is about ATB2. Yeah it was a joke. Basically at people's expense like you who have a severe victim complex with Blizzard because Brood War lost popularity for a while while SC2 was a big thing. As for a response to your quote, obviously Blizzard has interest in both cash and a competitive BW scene. When you work with a company like Blizzard, there's going to be positives and negatives. The positives is that tournaments will be sponsored by blizzbucks which is nice for players, and sc remastered will generate a lot of hype for these things (especially with foreigners). The negatives include sometimes having to do what they tell you and shitty things like this. I already said they managed this situation poorly by not explaining themselves. SC:BW didn't popularity though. During the last full BW ProLeague, there were way more people showing up than SC2 PL ever did. And the viewership for BW was consistent in the millions for just a regular PL game in the end of Kespa era. The thing is that have Blizzard not forced all the players to switch to SC2, PL and OSL would 100% have persisted. From things I was able to gather, both from player/insider streams talking about old days and talking to some of them myself, popularity of BW did not correlate with the sponsorship that they were getting at that point. To quote Best, (citation: 10/19/15 stream but can't find the VOD), there were 3 sponsors waiting to sponsor Starleague, but then they all decided to not sponsor starleague after the matchfixing incident. the move was seen as moving away from BW to SC2 at the 'right time' (they solved their issues and had a chance to transfer over from BW to SC2) so that they can keep things going, i.e. sponsorship issues.
SNM oh shit whattup
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There are some member change.
Tyson out / ggaemo in
Briteney out / Hyuk in
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ALLEYCAT BLUES51716 Posts
ahh this is online though.
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On July 10 2017 19:41 BLinD-RawR wrote:
ahh this is online though.
Yeah...this is the only way to hold tournament without Blizzard's approval.
CEO command directly to BJ Ginewda.
AfreecaTV consider Offline Final now.
It is the reason why they cant decide final date.
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Well, it's a shame it has to be online, lads, but I for one will be looking forward to some awesome proleague-style action. So many late nights in my memories... I always get a little misty-eyed thinking back on all the good times I've had with this game! I hope there will be many more!
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On July 10 2017 19:46 K.H.J wrote:Yeah...this is the only way to hold tournament without Blizzard's approval. CEO command directly to BJ Ginewda. AfreecaTV consider Offline Final now. It is the reason why they cant decide final date.
At least we will get offline final for this match like Ajae League Season 2.
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Maps
Uzi sara
Salamander
Crossing field
FS
Gladiator
Montecristo
Neo Aztec
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Fuck yes, we get to see all three ASL nominee maps for this, although I question FS returning?
Also, I hope they don't mean Set 7 as the 'traditional' Ace match where two players are picked blindly for it, I hope. Would be pretty fucked up to have all-kill format for only the first 6 sets, only for a player who was killed earlier be revived just for that set.
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On July 11 2017 11:10 K.H.J wrote:
Maps
Uzi sara
Salamander
Crossing field
FS
Gladiator
Montecristo
Neo Aztec
nice, they are using all 3 new maps
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On July 11 2017 11:26 GTR wrote:
Fuck yes, we get to see all three ASL nominee maps for this, although I question FS returning?
Also, I hope they don't mean Set 7 as the 'traditional' Ace match where two players are picked blindly for it, I hope. Would be pretty fucked up to have all-kill format for only the first 6 sets, only for a player who was killed earlier be revived just for that set.
They just call 7set=Ace match.
It is winners format.
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On July 11 2017 11:10 K.H.J wrote:
Maps
Uzi sara
Salamander
Crossing field
FS
Gladiator
Montecristo
Neo Aztec
Can you please provide those three new maps for us to download? Combine them into one zip file would be great. Many thanks
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On July 11 2017 12:56 1030xxx wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2017 11:10 K.H.J wrote:
Maps
Uzi sara
Salamander
Crossing field
FS
Gladiator
Montecristo
Neo Aztec Can you please provide those three new maps for us to download? Combine them into one zip file would be great. Many thanks
http://m.blog.naver.com/kangkuyol/221043099991
You can download maps in this blog.
It is 910's official blog
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Can we get the member names for each team? I can't read Korean 
Thank you!
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There are two protoss players in team Ssak. I know one of them is Horang2, but who is the other one?
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