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TheNewEra
Germany3128 Posts
On July 06 2017 23:51 K.H.J wrote: Did you remember ACL guys? BJ Ginyuda will make Online ATB instead. It is not enough for ours, but this is the best in this situation. AfreecaTV will support Prize. And they don't need approval for that? | ||
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_Animus_
Bulgaria1064 Posts
From now everything blizzard - middle finger, im not going to buy a SCR or anything blizzard involved. GG | ||
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Chris_Havoc
United States600 Posts
After Remastered is released I'm expecting a flood of events from Afreeca, SPOtv, maybe OGN and others for many months. Think of this a lull before the excitement of the Remastered events. On July 06 2017 19:38 Ansibled wrote: Blizzard has generally been supportive of ASL right? What reasons would they have to change this? To generate maximum hype by having as many Remastered events as possible post-release. The trade-off is forcing everyone to wait several weeks and not communicating to Afreeca or the community. | ||
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Ancestral
United States3230 Posts
It doesn't compete with the source material itself: people aren't going to not buy SC:R because they watched a tournament. In fact, it's exactly the opposite many times. The fact that Blizzard can wave a magic wand and cancel a tournament honestly seems like it's overstepping their copyright to me, and if such language is in the EULA, it should be unenforceable. The most they should be able to say is tournaments should require valid game keys for any copies used, and that they cannot present the work in a defamatory way, e.g., replacing unit quotations with Hitler quotations. Someone get Leonard French to talk about this LOL. | ||
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K.H.J
Korea (South)769 Posts
Online league doesnt need approval. This is the reason why they choose online. | ||
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Bijan
United States286 Posts
On July 06 2017 22:11 BisuDagger wrote: I'm okay with remaining calm, but whoever is in charge of the SC:R PR is making a huge mistake by not communicating with the community. Even by saying "I know this sucks, but please be patient and we promise BW tournaments will run soon". This is really my biggest gripe with the situation. It's really shitty to miss out on a tournament because they think for some reason that it will be better to have more tournaments right after release, but it's really not that long of a wait and it's not going to put a damper on the BW scene at this point. Blizzard has made many improvements with how they communicate with fans but they really don't seem to fully understand the desires of their most loyal fanbase. Sure, there are plenty of people that just hate Blizzard for past transgressions and will never get over that (and they have that right), but that just means they need to communicate all the more, even if it falls on a few deaf ears. On July 07 2017 00:01 Ancestral wrote: Can someone explain to me how tournaments aren't a simple fair use copyright issue? It's a transformative work; it uses the source material, StarCraft Broodwar, to facilitate high-level competitive multiplayer gameplay. It doesn't compete with the source material itself: people aren't going to not buy SC:R because they watched a tournament. In fact, it's exactly the opposite many times. The fact that Blizzard can wave a magic wand and cancel a tournament honestly seems like it's overstepping their copyright to me, and if such language is in the EULA, it should be unenforceable. The most they should be able to say is tournaments should require valid game keys for any copies used, and that they cannot present the work in a defamatory way, e.g., replacing unit quotations with Hitler quotations. Someone get Leonard French to talk about this LOL. This is definitely an interesting question. I don't think it's as simple as saying it's a transformative work because each game is designed to be an interactive and unique experience. And it's not an abstract set of rules like soccer, you can't play Starcraft without using their code. If we compare it to transformative works in the field of music, you have to make significant enough changes to justify something being truly your own work. How much of a video game match is truly your own work? It's hard to say. I also disagree that tournaments won't have an effect on sales. A badly organized tournament can potentially give the impression that the game isn't fit to be a sport, and you could argue that it could turn away potential customers who are interested primarily in esports. I'm not saying these are amazing and definitive points, just that this is really uncharted territory. Maybe there should be a period of time where Blizzard can exercise more control before it enters a "public domain". Most sales happen right after release anyway. I honestly don't know what the right answer is, I think this is a very interesting topic. | ||
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Little-Chimp
Canada951 Posts
On July 06 2017 17:15 raff100 wrote: I hate Activision Blizzard Ya we know dude, still butthurt about the 15 dollars eh That being said this is pretty dumb PR, seems like it wasn't communicated very well. | ||
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Heyjoray
240 Posts
On July 06 2017 23:55 _Animus_ wrote: lol, pure assholes. They didnt changed a bit, killed proscene once, for their fail sc2, now they do the same. From now everything blizzard - middle finger, im not going to buy a SCR or anything blizzard involved. GG By the way: The korean proscene killed themself. Matchfixing anyone? | ||
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Jealous
10420 Posts
On July 07 2017 01:09 Little-Chimp wrote: Ya we know dude, still butthurt about the 15 dollars eh That being said this is pretty dumb PR, seems like it wasn't communicated very well. Can people stop bringing up the $15 like it's the crux of the issue? I have yet to hear anyone say that it is the cost of the game that is their major concern. | ||
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
On July 07 2017 03:10 Heyjoray wrote: By the way: The korean proscene killed themself. Matchfixing anyone? I'm pretty sure I remember there being a BW pro scene after match fixing. | ||
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
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gngfn
United States1726 Posts
On July 07 2017 00:01 Ancestral wrote: Can someone explain to me how tournaments aren't a simple fair use copyright issue? It's a transformative work; it uses the source material, StarCraft Broodwar, to facilitate high-level competitive multiplayer gameplay. It doesn't compete with the source material itself: people aren't going to not buy SC:R because they watched a tournament. In fact, it's exactly the opposite many times. The fact that Blizzard can wave a magic wand and cancel a tournament honestly seems like it's overstepping their copyright to me, and if such language is in the EULA, it should be unenforceable. The most they should be able to say is tournaments should require valid game keys for any copies used, and that they cannot present the work in a defamatory way, e.g., replacing unit quotations with Hitler quotations. Someone get Leonard French to talk about this LOL. It's not clear that Blizzard has the rights they assert, but it is clear that Blizzard has more than enough money to bury anyone who challenges them in legal fees. So practically speaking it doesn't matter if they're correct or not. | ||
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DSK
England1110 Posts
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Little-Chimp
Canada951 Posts
On July 07 2017 03:23 Jealous wrote: Can people stop bringing up the $15 like it's the crux of the issue? I have yet to hear anyone say that it is the cost of the game that is their major concern. Go on and explain the issue then dude, other than obvious bad PR by Blizzard by having their blue poster say it'd be free and not communicating with Afreeca well. | ||
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Ancestral
United States3230 Posts
On July 07 2017 04:27 Little-Chimp wrote: Go on and explain the issue then dude, other than obvious bad PR by Blizzard by having their blue poster say it'd be free and not communicating with Afreeca well. Have you even read the thread title? Blizzard forbade ATB2 from occurring because they want to hype SC:R, proving they have no interest in the unfettered procession of the BW competitive scene and rather just want some of the sweet sweet cash from it's return. This thread is about ATB2. | ||
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Little-Chimp
Canada951 Posts
On July 07 2017 04:30 Ancestral wrote: Have you even read the thread title? Blizzard forbade ATB2 from occurring because they want to hype SC:R, proving they have no interest in the unfettered procession of the BW competitive scene and rather just want some of the sweet sweet cash from it's return. This thread is about ATB2. Nice victim complex. I aknowledged that was a dumb move by blizz PR wise, even though they're trying to generate hype. Let's assume blizzard is the devil itself and killed your parents and is trying to create a strong scene with starcraft remastered JUST for money (whoah). Shouldn't we hope they succeed anyways? | ||
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gngfn
United States1726 Posts
On July 07 2017 04:46 Little-Chimp wrote: Nice victim complex. I aknowledged that was a dumb move by blizz PR wise, even though they're trying to generate hype. Let's assume blizzard is the devil itself and killed your parents and is trying to create a strong scene with starcraft remastered JUST for money (whoah). Shouldn't we hope they succeed anyways? no, because blizzard would rather control 100% of a $1m scene than 49% of a $2m scene | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
Total non-communication, then cancellation of the event, apparently without even an explanation (even if we all have a pretty good suspicion of what that reason is). No statement, no reasoning, just a blanket "nope, not now boyz". If they would immediately said "Hey, we are releasing SC: R in 4 weeks, can you guys start your tournament then", I wouldn't have been thrilled, but I could have understood and at least accepted that the company wants to maximize the hype and profit from their game. The lack of communication turns a irritating but understandable decision into a total fuck you type situation. What's most shocking to me though is why blizzard continues to do this. It seems like one of those things where you're only going to hurt your bottom line and fanbase going this route, whereas communicating well you're going to gain support and fan graces; which likely translates into extra publicity and more sales. All of this at the cost of one employing drafing a press release for maybe 5 minutes. All upside, no downside. Must be something about marketing I don't know though, because blizzard is far from the only company to act this way. The only good thing is that at least the BW: R dev team is pretty cool. We'd be so fucked right now if the people at Blizz making these kind of decisions were also the one making SC: R design designs | ||
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Little-Chimp
Canada951 Posts
On July 07 2017 04:54 gngfn wrote: no, because blizzard would rather control 100% of a $1m scene than 49% of a $2m scene What's the scene where SC Remastered doesn't exist? 50g? Anyways if this is only about blizzards questionable tourney scene control we can safely accuse them of trying to take sc2 behind the old shed as well. | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On July 07 2017 04:46 Little-Chimp wrote: Nice victim complex. I aknowledged that was a dumb move by blizz PR wise, even though they're trying to generate hype. Let's assume blizzard is the devil itself and killed your parents and is trying to create a strong scene with starcraft remastered JUST for money (whoah). Shouldn't we hope they succeed anyways? Nope. Especially because of the way blizzard tries to control their scenes. They routinely make decisions that don't make for a better scene, either actively hurting the scene itself, the user experience, or both. Rushing beta's, bad interfaces (S2 BNET for a loonngggg time, etc.). In other words if what blizzard does get's more viewership for tournaments and more revenue generation, but also results in lots of potential canceled events, bad changes to the game, obnoxious restrictions, etc...that isn't necessarily worth more people watching the game. A similar argument would be if, hypothetically, blizzard knew putting in unlimited selection would increase the player-base by an order of magnitude. This would be fantastic for the scene and for making $$...but would absolutely impact the gaming experience for the worse, and it's a situation most would be unhappy worth. As a rule, a bigger scene and playerbase is a good thing; but the costs that can come with it must be weighed...and there are definitely some big potential costs that come with a blizzard overlord peeking in overhead. | ||
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