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Essbee
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada2371 Posts
May 19 2017 02:22 GMT
#81
Seeing LARVA, of all zergs, coming up with such a brilliant playstyle is why I am so happy to still be able to watch high level bw in 2017. It's seriously crazy that he's able to make queens appear to be an op unit. How he's sniping the goliaths and then coming in with mutas is so awesome lol, tanks can't do anything.
REDBLUEGREEN
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Germany1904 Posts
May 19 2017 04:02 GMT
#82
The game really nicely displays Larva dynamically changing his composition.

Right at the start of late mech T is usually on 1 machine shop just going mass vult and mining the map: At this point larva makes quite a lot of hydras to clear the mines and take on vult groups with the help of speed ovis and plague while lurker, ling, dark swarm keep the remaining m&m in check.

Later when the T adds more machine shops and more tanks come out he waits for his queens to have energy while fighting mostly with ling defiler and some hydras and lurks.

After he reduced the vessel count he plays the muta switch.

After the mutas killed a lot of the tanks and cleared a lot of the mines in the mid of the map and T's composition is increasingly goliath heavy, Larva starts building ultras.

Really nice game!
LocoBolon
Profile Joined June 2012
Argentina243 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-20 08:21:07
May 19 2017 06:30 GMT
#83
On May 19 2017 13:02 REDBLUEGREEN wrote:
The game really nicely displays Larva dynamically changing his composition.

Right at the start of late mech T is usually on 1 machine shop just going mass vult and mining the map: At this point larva makes quite a lot of hydras to clear the mines and take on vult groups with the help of speed ovis and plague while lurker, ling, dark swarm keep the remaining m&m in check.

Later when the T adds more machine shops and more tanks come out he waits for his queens to have energy while fighting mostly with ling defiler and some hydras and lurks.

After he reduced the vessel count he plays the muta switch.

After the mutas killed a lot of the tanks and cleared a lot of the mines in the mid of the map and T's composition is increasingly goliath heavy, Larva starts building ultras.

Really nice game!


Yes, it is very sweet to see how he twist the army composition to match what terran has at the differents stages of the game. Hydras vs early vult mine was very cool to see and worked perfectly in this game but the queen usage is the most balance breaking innovation this game features, and it does it in such a grapic manner. This game just ilustrates so well what the impact the queen does in this match up is: it just doesnt metter how big terran economy is, how many factories he has and how good/fast/or-close-to reinforcements his push is, when T loses 10/15 tanks all at once, Terran's push just ceases to exist.
Other aspect to this build I see is that this style relies heavily on where and wether Terran can build turrets on the maps or not, they could really complicate that kind of queen abuse
Standard Queens
Essbee
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada2371 Posts
May 19 2017 07:53 GMT
#84
On May 19 2017 15:30 LocoBolon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2017 13:02 REDBLUEGREEN wrote:
The game really nicely displays Larva dynamically changing his composition.

Right at the start of late mech T is usually on 1 machine shop just going mass vult and mining the map: At this point larva makes quite a lot of hydras to clear the mines and take on vult groups with the help of speed ovis and plague while lurker, ling, dark swarm keep the remaining m&m in check.

Later when the T adds more machine shops and more tanks come out he waits for his queens to have energy while fighting mostly with ling defiler and some hydras and lurks.

After he reduced the vessel count he plays the muta switch.

After the mutas killed a lot of the tanks and cleared a lot of the mines in the mid of the map and T's composition is increasingly goliath heavy, Larva starts building ultras.

Really nice game!


Other aspect to this build I see is that this style relies heavily on where and wether Terran can build turrets on the maps or not, they could really complicate that kind of queen abuse


Very good point.
infinity2k17
Profile Joined May 2017
22 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-19 10:20:39
May 19 2017 10:13 GMT
#85
That Larva game is insane, I have not seen such good anti-mech play especially with the queen usage and tech switches. Flash even tried to combine MnM in at one point because of the unit composition that kept changing.

Does anyone think that although it seems counter-intuitive having the Terran right at your front bases on Camelot or any map is actually adventurous for the Z due to closeness to hatches.. as opposed to trying to engage over the entire width of a map like FS. Every new macro round Flash reinforced was countered so he could not build up enough units in one place - Larva can utilize a variety of units straight into the battle.

Also check Larva's supply count, keeping it so high all of the time. Little micro skills in the midst of battle such as overlords to draw fire away from queens.

I was wondering if in future Z might try Queens and ensnare vs the bio before the mech switch to slow it down and start the queen count up for broodling in later game. But i'm not sure if the timings work out that way. At least with this style its not a single reveal and single broodling attack to beat a push.
Cryoc
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany911 Posts
May 19 2017 12:01 GMT
#86
The game on Camelot was very interesting, especially the muta switch after he already built queens was very surprising to me, seeing that Flash still had a considerable amount of vessels and some bio. But it worked out. Still the more important part was probably that he was able to go 3 hatch on 3 bases with Flash knowing but unable to counter it. Otherwise Larva would have never been able to get such a good economy and build so many queens and mutas without dieing.
http://www.twitch.tv/cryoc
Eleonora
Profile Joined April 2017
29 Posts
May 19 2017 12:12 GMT
#87
Afreeca Clan League is live, currently Moo (JD, Last, Best, Rain, Soulkey, Mind) vs NeOx (Flash, Stork, Effort, Hero, Larva, Shuttle).

Opening match is Larva vs Last, watch Sea stream for obs or Larva himself.



JungleTerrain
Profile Joined January 2012
Chile799 Posts
May 19 2017 12:17 GMT
#88
On May 19 2017 21:01 Cryoc wrote:
The game on Camelot was very interesting, especially the muta switch after he already built queens was very surprising to me, seeing that Flash still had a considerable amount of vessels and some bio. But it worked out. Still the more important part was probably that he was able to go 3 hatch on 3 bases with Flash knowing but unable to counter it. Otherwise Larva would have never been able to get such a good economy and build so many queens and mutas without dieing.


Yes I forgot to mention this, actually forgot it happened at all, but can someone explain how he was able to do this? I can't check right now but it seemed like he went 3 hatch before pool unless I'm remembering it wrong. I mean, if the forward rax and marine/scv/bunker push is so strong, why would he even opt to go for an exposed third hatch like this in the first place?
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outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
May 19 2017 14:04 GMT
#89
Wow, that game vs. Last on ACL was sick. Larva did what JD couldn't and shut down Last with non stop attacks and swarming.
sunbeams are never made like me...
valaki
Profile Joined June 2009
Hungary2476 Posts
May 19 2017 14:45 GMT
#90
It was nice by Last to counter Queens and Mutas with Valks, it worked too. They even survived a plague, however his army was too immobile and couldn't withstand the continuous 2 pronged attack of Larva without doing any damage to his economy.
ggaemo fan
Essbee
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada2371 Posts
May 19 2017 15:25 GMT
#91
another insanely good game vs last
ShloobeR
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Korea (South)3820 Posts
May 19 2017 15:25 GMT
#92
And Larva beats last again.

Man he has really figured this out, Jd is watching his stream and is just constantly ':o'
: o )
duke91
Profile Joined April 2014
Germany1458 Posts
May 19 2017 15:26 GMT
#93
Last lost this by getting his valkyres plagued over and over again. So many times his control group of valks were hit by plagues
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)STYLE START SBENU( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Netto.
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Poland523 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-19 15:28:32
May 19 2017 15:27 GMT
#94
Yeah he Last tries to use valkyries more, but it just doesn't seem to work. Now terrans have problems beating Larva :D Who would have thought that it will be Larva who figures terrans out and beat them consistently...

Now playing vs Flash, lets see.
Be the change you want to see in the world.
Essbee
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada2371 Posts
May 19 2017 15:30 GMT
#95
On May 20 2017 00:27 Netto. wrote:
Yeah he Last tries to use valkyries more, but it just doesn't seem to work. Now terrans have problems beating Larva :D Who would have thought that it will be Larva who figures terrans out and beat them consistently...

Now playing vs Flash, lets see.


You sure? I'm seeing flash playing vs a P atm.
Netto.
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Poland523 Posts
May 19 2017 15:32 GMT
#96
Ah you are right, my mistake :D
Be the change you want to see in the world.
duke91
Profile Joined April 2014
Germany1458 Posts
May 19 2017 15:33 GMT
#97
I would like to see more ENSNARE vs valkyries. making it easier to take down valks with scourges
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)STYLE START SBENU( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
May 19 2017 15:50 GMT
#98
Effort was using queens quite a bit a year or two ago, but that went out of favor with him.

Anyone know why, and what Larva is now doing differently to have better luck with them?
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
May 19 2017 16:12 GMT
#99
Larva just lost twice to last but first game was close, second was quite rough. He's able to get a third gas easier though which is great and I love his aggressive style!
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Netto.
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Poland523 Posts
May 19 2017 16:16 GMT
#100
Another loss, he got frustrated again
Be the change you want to see in the world.
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