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Larva's Progress Report

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Shalashaska_123
Profile Blog Joined July 2013
United States142 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-08 06:43:52
May 08 2017 06:35 GMT
#1
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Look who's finally impressed.


Hello, Teamliquid.

After reading classicyellow83's post about the top 5 players in April, I noticed that Larva performed quite well relative to other Zerg players against the top 5. That made me curious to see how he has improved since classicyellow83 began making these posts. I went back and checked his monthly results against Bisu, Last, and FlaSh in particular from June 2016 to now (April 2017). Below in the first spoiler are the data I collected. For each month the number of games Larva won is on the left, and the number of games each of the top players won is on the right.

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June 2016

Bisu 1:6
Last 2:10
Flash 1:11

July 2016

Bisu 3:15
Last 0:1
Flash 4:6

August 2016

Bisu 1:7
Last 4:4
Flash 3:8

September 2016

Bisu 0:16
Last 2:10
Flash 4:8

October 2016

Bisu 4:2
Last 5:6
Flash 3:11

November 2016

Bisu 5:4
Last 1:4
Flash 3:6

December 2016

Bisu 2:6
Last 0:1
Flash 2:4

January 2017

Bisu MISSING
Last 13:24
Flash 5:23

February 2017

Bisu MISSING
Last 12:56
Flash 5:21

March 2017

Bisu 4:8
Last MISSING
Flash 13:24

April 2017

Bisu 10:19
Last 5 : 9
Flash 16:35

Current Cumulative Win Ratio (Total Larva Wins/Total Games From June 2016 - April 2017)
Larva vs. Bisu: 30/113 = 0.265
Larva vs. Last: 44/169 = 0.260
Larva vs. FlaSh: 59/216 = 0.273

EDIT: I forgot to mention this means Larva wins roughly 1 game out of 4 against each of them on average.


If we plot the cumulative win ratio (CWR) versus month, we get the following graphs.

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Note that the x-axis represents months after June 2016, and the y-axis represents Larva's cumulative win ratio to that point since June 2016. Just to be clear,

0 - June 2016
1 - July 2016
2 - August 2016
3 - September 2016
4 - October 2016
5 - November 2016
6 - December 2016
7 - January 2017
8 - February 2017
9 - March 2017
10 - April 2017


As you can see, he has improved significantly against Bisu, Last, and FlaSh since June 2016. It appears he had a New Year's resolution to become really great because he's played many more games against them since the start of 2017. People in the community seem to bash him for inflating the top players' stats, saying he'll never be that good, but I think he's seriously trying hard to improve. Despite constantly losing to these guys and getting frustrated, he never gives up and continues to get better. Honestly I think he is an inspiration. I'll update this post later when more data becomes available.

Sincerely,
Shalashaska_123
ShloobeR
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Korea (South)3820 Posts
May 08 2017 07:01 GMT
#2
I don't know if Larva will ever get that jump from good to great, but it will certainly not be from lack of trying. Dude is always trying super hard
: o )
iopq
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1068 Posts
May 08 2017 07:04 GMT
#3
It's funny, at first he was inflating people's stats, but now he's actually making them worse. He's by going 10-19 he lowered Bisu's PvZ winrate. By going 16-35 against Flash, he made Flash's TvZ the lowest winrate matchup.

Sure, he has a losing record against all of the top players, but he's losing less to them than the field. I noticed this trend too, so I started watching his VODs.
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6183 Posts
May 08 2017 07:05 GMT
#4
I'm so sad Larva dropped at ASL group stages, I like his play and really wanted to see him in boX match. I wonder if he had done better if he was feeling better. Sometimes his ZvT is phenomenal and joy to watch, tho sometimes it's the opposite :D
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4140 Posts
May 08 2017 07:18 GMT
#5
I was watching some of Larva's games vs Last on CB and there was one game where he completely smashed Last with his first 11 mutas + zerglings. And the next game was a long macro game which he won with queens+ultra/ling+defliers. This guy is much better than people give him credit for.
Esp1noza
Profile Joined September 2003
Russian Federation481 Posts
May 08 2017 07:22 GMT
#6
It seems Larva play much worse at the stage.
BroodWar forever
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10310 Posts
May 08 2017 07:30 GMT
#7
Dude that face is too much LOL I died laughing.

On a more serious note, truly is an inspiration. Makes me feel so dumb for internally raging at some B- player who whooped my ass and playing like 10 games a week wondering why I'm still shit rofl.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
onlystar
Profile Joined March 2015
United States971 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-08 19:38:46
May 08 2017 07:31 GMT
#8
Larva is great at practicing vs better players in a sense that he will find ways to improve and ultimately come up with a better gameplay vs that practice partner.

This was very clean when Bisu joined afreeca hè would crush larva 16-1 +/- larva kept fightingNd improved, later than on afreeca Bisu showed weakness in his pvz mu he dropped like 5 games vs a C level zerg Who splits the map and Will turtle hard until defiler is out only then to fight under darkswarm, Bisu at that time did all the wrong things to handle that type of zerg play ( taking center and investing into cannons ) while the center is an easy target for darkswarm 3-3 lurk ling defiler.

Around that time alot of epic 40min close games were played. Between larva & bisu where larva would adjust his style and always 4base split map vs Bisu in the end larva would win Some Bo3s even evening out scores more than before, not bad for a B-teamer vs the godly protoss
2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9530 Posts
May 08 2017 07:47 GMT
#9
Larva is currently my favorite player and the first stream I open whenever I see him streaming. Massing games like no one, plays on incredibly high level, and his after-the-game antics are fun as hell (basically, way, way watered down version of TerrOr).

I really wish he would do well in official tournaments as well, but he never seems to play as good as he plays on his stream.
Moderator"We're a community of geniuses because we've found how to extract 95% of the feeling of doing something amazing without actually doing anything." - Chill
RWLabs
Profile Joined March 2017
Korea (South)273 Posts
May 08 2017 07:50 GMT
#10
It's really weird. When I first saw Larva on ASL season 1 and 2 I was wondering how he got through. Then I found that he was actually a great player online with a bad case of stage nerves.

Now we wait for Larva to morph into an Ultralisk.
Aldaris was the good guy of Brood War.
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4478 Posts
May 08 2017 08:30 GMT
#11
So this means we now have a true underdog to root for. Big goals, great work ethic, significant improvement. Exciting
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
toriak
Profile Joined December 2008
Slovakia477 Posts
May 08 2017 09:30 GMT
#12
im really rooting for larva since start of this year
this is when his zvt became a great joy to watch

i think all pros are doing pretty bad on the stage but he is an extreme case
sickkungen
Profile Joined July 2012
Sweden179 Posts
May 08 2017 19:05 GMT
#13
hong9 is crushing the decent players
currently up 6-0 vs Mong tonight,
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10700 Posts
May 08 2017 19:24 GMT
#14
FlaSh's face lol so funny, I always loved Larva[S.G], gosu Zerg
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-08 19:44:37
May 08 2017 19:43 GMT
#15
He's definitely improved vs Bisu.

But for Last/Flash, if you take away the first 2 datapoints for each, the slope looks statistically insignificant and within error bounds so far. (I'm not a statistician so I can't comment on how much data you need for a >95% confidence interval, but I don't think we're there yet).

That being said I definitely hope for continued improvement. IIRC he was one of the "Gods of the Practice Room" right?
iamho
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3347 Posts
May 08 2017 19:44 GMT
#16
Who is the terran he is playing right now (Chicken)?
sickkungen
Profile Joined July 2012
Sweden179 Posts
May 08 2017 19:48 GMT
#17
7-1 final score vs Mong who had some mental breakdown moments like when hong9 plays vs Last/Flash
onlystar
Profile Joined March 2015
United States971 Posts
May 08 2017 20:39 GMT
#18
the picture is so brilliant of larva giving the tumps down and flash smilingly approving larvas inner darkswarm beast
onlystar
Profile Joined March 2015
United States971 Posts
May 08 2017 20:40 GMT
#19
On May 09 2017 04:48 sickkungen wrote:
7-1 final score vs Mong who had some mental breakdown moments like when hong9 plays vs Last/Flash


this screams for a clip o god mong is so funny when he is mad
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
May 08 2017 20:45 GMT
#20
On May 09 2017 04:44 iamho wrote:
Who is the terran he is playing right now (Chicken)?


Mong
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