Thanks for posting, OP! (And thanks to iopq for pointing out that Larva is actually performing better than the field against top players in some instances.)

You've got to respect that practice ethic! Losing again and again is hard. Go Larva!

purakushi

United States3302 Posts

May 08 2017 22:04 GMT

#23

Love this guy.

outscar

2832 Posts

May 08 2017 22:06 GMT

#24

Larva is god! Back then from B teamer to ro32/24 solid and top 5 Afreeca player. Let him to become bonjwa after all his efforts.

FyRe_DragOn

Canada2056 Posts

May 09 2017 00:02 GMT

#25

does the thumbs down gesture have a different meaning in korea than in the west? Ive seen it before from korean pros and found it odd. In Canada it means no or bad, thumbs up is yes or good.

Also i have a ton of respect for larvas resilience in practice, just wish he would play better on stage

Shinokuki

United States923 Posts

May 09 2017 00:25 GMT

#26

On May 09 2017 09:02 FyRe_DragOn wrote:
does the thumbs down gesture have a different meaning in korea than in the west? Ive seen it before from korean pros and found it odd. In Canada it means no or bad, thumbs up is yes or good.

Also i have a ton of respect for larvas resilience in practice, just wish he would play better on stage

hes pointing that finger toward Last lol

Shalashaska_123

United States142 Posts

May 09 2017 04:08 GMT

#27

Holy jeez, I didn't realize so many Larva fans were around. I guess this thread is dedicated to you guys.

On May 09 2017 04:43 thedeadhaji wrote:
He's definitely improved vs Bisu.

But for Last/Flash, if you take away the first 2 datapoints for each, the slope looks statistically insignificant and within error bounds so far. (I'm not a statistician so I can't comment on how much data you need for a >95% confidence interval, but I don't think we're there yet).

That being said I definitely hope for continued improvement. IIRC he was one of the "Gods of the Practice Room" right?

Haha, you have a good point. From the graphs we can see that against Last and FlaSh, Larva pretty much has the same win ratio now as he did 7 months ago. The only thing that's changed is his win ratio against Bisu, which I think is a good thing. It'd suck if he got better vs. P and his skills vs. T suffered as a result. I feel like the opposite happened in the first 3 months: his win ratio against terran shot up but he lost 0:16 to Bisu, which made his win ratio vs. P plummet.

Anyways, I can't wait to see what happens next. From what people are saying, Larva seems to be crushing Terrans now, so I don't expect his vs. T win ratio to stay the same much longer. We'll see.

Netto.

Poland523 Posts

May 09 2017 08:19 GMT

#28

Yeah I think after Jaedong he is my favourite zerg player and as you mentioned he is very inspiring. What I like about him is that maybe he is not the most talented out there, but he is definitely a very hard worker. Right now he got beaten by Bisu 3-0. After that the standard 1 minute mental breakdown followed and he immediately asked Bisu for another set of games.

He keeps playing those best guys no matter how many times he loses and his winrates are slowly going up and up each month... and man some of those games vs Flash or Last are so brilliant that I think even Effort or Jaedong aren't capable of playing like that.

I wish one day he will be able to perform like this in offline tournament and join the top guys.

sickkungen

Sweden179 Posts

May 09 2017 13:29 GMT

#29

Hong9 just allkilled Shine, Bisu and Best 3-0 in a team battle between players who didn't qualify vs players who did ^^

BigFan

TLADT24920 Posts

May 09 2017 13:52 GMT

#30

Nice thread, I love Larva! As mentioned, he seems to only do well off stream. His best result was back in the SSL days where he made the finals but lost to Killer. He's also beaten quite a bit of players and has been improving a lot. Hope he becomes a beast in offline because he deserves it!

toriak

Slovakia477 Posts

May 11 2017 10:26 GMT

#31

If u like watching ZvT along with Larva i recommend Effort.
It feels like he uses some new kind of muta micro technique which gives his mutas some extra range.
He has an insane ZvT record lately and the highest APM around.

noname_

466 Posts

May 11 2017 11:35 GMT

#32

Maybe it feels like it, but there is no micro technique which would give you extra range (apart from the goons vs bunker scenario - that issue is because the bunker`s target area is an imperfect circle-like area). My bet is that he is plain and simply better at it than others / or he improved.
PS.: Does the sunken bug still works?

sickkungen

Sweden179 Posts

May 11 2017 11:40 GMT

#33

On May 11 2017 19:26 toriak wrote:
If u like watching ZvT along with Larva i recommend Effort.
It feels like he uses some new kind of muta micro technique which gives his mutas some extra range.
He has an insane ZvT record lately and the highest APM around.

It is the move-command technique that Jaedong needs to improve on. Larva is really good with this aswell.

ScaN has a tutorial on how to do it somewhere

blade55555

United States17423 Posts

May 11 2017 13:40 GMT

#34

Curious, was that a known technique back in 09-2010? I don't remember ever hearing about an extra range technique for mutas, would be curious if this was known since then as well or if that was a newer thing.

sickkungen

Sweden179 Posts

May 11 2017 14:06 GMT

#35

Not sure if it was known or not but I don't think it was used that much. Doesn't give extra range, just the ability to target fire at max range if applied correctly. Much like a targetted patrol attack.

duke91

Germany1458 Posts

May 11 2017 14:30 GMT

#36

You just a-click BEHIND the marine instead of in front of it, which makes muta micro feel smoother. I think it has something to do with mutas decelerating right before arriving, which a-click behind the target avoids because you basically command it to fly a longer distance.

This I observed around when Effort started streaming, how he always a-clicks behind marines which doesn't seem effective to me but for some reason, mutas instantly shoot (and more importantly always shoot, while a-click before the marine may prompt mutas to not shoot at all before you retreat), which because it is more reliable way to do it you can be 'more' greedy with pulling back, hence it 'appears' as if efforts mutas have longer range. Definitely a little harder to pull off since you have to travel a little bit longer with the mouse.

Example: For instance you are already near a marine with your mutas, but your mutas have to reangle if you are close and not facing the marine. Usually here they decelerate a little which is hard to see. This happens if you a-click before the marine. Instead you should a-click behind the marine so they won't decelerate.

edit: Though Effort also uses it with hold command. So he right click move command his mutas way behind the marine ball, and when he feels has enough distance to shoot against marines, he hold commands. This is effective if you feel like or need to kill a marine ball fast enough. For picking up single marines a-click behind

ii.blitzkrieg

Canada1122 Posts

May 11 2017 15:00 GMT

#37

idk if Larva was one of the practice gods, maybe you're thinking of magma from estro? I think larva was a sought after semi pro though, iirc he had the best record in one of those kespa rookie drafts (i could be recalling this incorrectly lol)