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On April 20 2017 22:29 blueslobster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2017 22:02 Eridanus wrote:
You cannot use how inconvenient it is for you to play with classic hotkeys as an argument as to why it is not cheating to hack the SC BW hotkeys. You can just use a fully programmable keyboard like the GH60. No hacking necessary. Under the assumption that Blizzard wants to maximize the number of people playing SC:R, it makes sense for them to offer exactly the same degree of hotkey customization that SC2 has. Otherwise it is hard for people to transition from one game to the other.
How you achieve it is just semantics. In principle, you can also maphack by setting up a camera in your opponent's room, avoiding the need of directly hacking the game. You are still cheating.
Blizzard offers what they offer. SC BW will be hard to play. That's why it is more fun than SC2 by far. I don't see the issue, as SC BW has always been much much easier to learn than SC2. Easier to just install with no knowledge of games at all, and instantly start playing. And easier to learn in the sense that there is much more to improve upon, so learning more and improving is easy.
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That example requires you to have physical access of your opponent's play area, unlikely to be the case.
Unless someone stands behind you and physically confirms that you are not motioning to classic hotkey locations, there is no current way to tell.
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i tried a bit but i missed like 200 probes because i spam E ...
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On April 20 2017 20:52 TT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2017 20:51 MKStyles wrote:On April 20 2017 20:46 mdb wrote:
Quit bitching about hotkeys and play like a real man.
for real? im a new player and i play on the ptr with my own hotkeys and now i should play again with new ones all across the keybord? git gud and hit the gym, train your body so it can handle the stress of playing bw
THATS the problem, i aint wanna have stress anymore i aint 20 anymore
i would play again with decent hotkeys but its not rly worth the effort to play without
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On April 20 2017 22:39 mishimaBeef wrote:
That example requires you to have physical access of your opponent's play area, unlikely to be the case.
And that makes cheating not cheating, how?
Unless someone stands behind you and physically confirms that you are not motioning to classic hotkey locations, there is no current way to tell.
Ok, so if you don't get caught, it is not cheating? So have you ever been caught maphacking?
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On April 20 2017 22:38 Eridanus wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2017 22:29 blueslobster wrote:On April 20 2017 22:02 Eridanus wrote:
You cannot use how inconvenient it is for you to play with classic hotkeys as an argument as to why it is not cheating to hack the SC BW hotkeys. You can just use a fully programmable keyboard like the GH60. No hacking necessary. Under the assumption that Blizzard wants to maximize the number of people playing SC:R, it makes sense for them to offer exactly the same degree of hotkey customization that SC2 has. Otherwise it is hard for people to transition from one game to the other. How you achieve it is just semantics. In principle, you can also maphack by setting up a camera in your opponent's room, avoiding the need of directly hacking the game. You are still cheating. Blizzard offers what they offer. SC BW will be hard to play. That's why it is more fun than SC2 by far. I don't see the issue, as SC BW has always been much much easier to learn than SC2. Easier to just install with no knowledge of games at all, and instantly start playing. And easier to learn in the sense that there is much more to improve upon, so learning more and improving is easy.
I only wish you would have told me this before I bought this keyboard. I was planning on programming the left key to «1» and the right key to «a».
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Look, my point is this: I have to wonder whether people are using OS or Keyboard Hardware rebinding because they don't have a KeSPA agent behind them. I would rather know I am getting defeated by my opponents who are using the same tools as me, not getting crushed because I'm too noble to use an OS or Hardware rebinding when they don't care about that noble virtue.
I just want the ladder to be as transparent as possible, and seeing as how there is no way to detect client side OS or Hardware rebinding, just put it in the game.
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Russian Federation104 Posts
How is that suppose to work? even no hotkeys options in 2017, man I see no reasons for newcommers to occur, it's exatly the same 1.16. All that hype lol
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blueslobster, so you response to the promotion of cheating is to make a joke out of it?
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From my perspective, cheating is anything that views/modifies game files in ways the designers didn't include. Otherwise it is a limitation imposed by (tournament) organizers, not game designers.
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On April 20 2017 22:41 Drake wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2017 20:52 TT1 wrote:On April 20 2017 20:51 MKStyles wrote:On April 20 2017 20:46 mdb wrote:
Quit bitching about hotkeys and play like a real man.
for real? im a new player and i play on the ptr with my own hotkeys and now i should play again with new ones all across the keybord? git gud and hit the gym, train your body so it can handle the stress of playing bw THATS the problem, i aint wanna have stress anymore i aint 20 anymore i would play again with decent hotkeys but its not rly worth the effort to play without
Playing BW is a work out. Start jogging, do some finger exercises, eat egg whites, listen to the rocky soundtrack.. im hitting the gym 4 times a week now so i can play BW efficiently.
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On April 20 2017 22:41 Drake wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2017 20:52 TT1 wrote:On April 20 2017 20:51 MKStyles wrote:On April 20 2017 20:46 mdb wrote:
Quit bitching about hotkeys and play like a real man.
for real? im a new player and i play on the ptr with my own hotkeys and now i should play again with new ones all across the keybord? git gud and hit the gym, train your body so it can handle the stress of playing bw THATS the problem, i aint wanna have stress anymore i aint 20 anymore i would play again with decent hotkeys but its not rly worth the effort to play without
Then go back to SC2 or other of your effortless games, simple like that, right?
Seriously people, if little things like this make you to not want to play the game, dont play the game.
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After all your working out and jogging, you might get stomped on the ladder. Then remember these words "I wonder if he had the balls to rebind his keys with OS or hardware".
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but you'd still get all the gurlz, win win
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I still get the OpenGL error, can't even launch it lol.
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On April 20 2017 22:41 Drake wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2017 20:52 TT1 wrote:On April 20 2017 20:51 MKStyles wrote:On April 20 2017 20:46 mdb wrote:
Quit bitching about hotkeys and play like a real man.
for real? im a new player and i play on the ptr with my own hotkeys and now i should play again with new ones all across the keybord? git gud and hit the gym, train your body so it can handle the stress of playing bw THATS the problem, i aint wanna have stress anymore i aint 20 anymore i would play again with decent hotkeys but its not rly worth the effort to play without
If you don't want stress hit the money maps 4v4 bro, 1v1 starcraft is like the most stressful thing you can play
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On April 20 2017 22:48 mishimaBeef wrote:
From my perspective, cheating is anything that views/modifies game files in ways the designers didn't include. Otherwise it is a limitation imposed by (tournament) organizers, not game designers.
So if there is a bnet ladder and ladder positions decide who gets a spot in a real tournament with the more elaborate rules against cheating, then it is not cheating if I pay my opponent to lose on purpose 'because you didn't change the game files', so I get the no.1 spot. But when I do the same thing inside the Kespa tournament, it is cheating?
In the same way, key rebinding in some software layer is completely legal, as it doesn't modify the game files or game state. But doing the exact same key rebinding in another software layer, namely the game files, is cheating?
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Russian Federation104 Posts
Those people saying that it's harder to play with default keys and thus it's better and more fun than in sc2 are hillarious. How is that harder? it's just uncomfortable. Why don't you just play without keyboard at all? its harder than using the noobie keyboard hotkeys and more fun and skilled, lmao
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On April 20 2017 22:49 fabiano wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2017 22:41 Drake wrote:On April 20 2017 20:52 TT1 wrote:On April 20 2017 20:51 MKStyles wrote:On April 20 2017 20:46 mdb wrote:
Quit bitching about hotkeys and play like a real man.
for real? im a new player and i play on the ptr with my own hotkeys and now i should play again with new ones all across the keybord? git gud and hit the gym, train your body so it can handle the stress of playing bw THATS the problem, i aint wanna have stress anymore i aint 20 anymore i would play again with decent hotkeys but its not rly worth the effort to play without Then go back to SC2 or other of your effortless games, simple like that, right? Seriously people, if little things like this make you to not want to play the game, dont play the game.
cmon calling SC2 effortless is kinda stupid. I Love both games but going back to Broodwar you are fighting more against the game itself and clunky engine than anything else, feels pretty outdated. Still love it anyway.
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