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TT1
Canada10105 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
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On April 16 2017 09:40 Jealous wrote: Or how about starting with the same hotkeys that everyone started with, and learn those, so that it doesn't matter to you if the hotkeys are implemented or not? Why is this not an option for so many people? I already answered this. Because a lot of people come from sc2 and want to keep playing that game. Two different hotkey setups are simply annoying to deal with. | ||
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Jealous
10415 Posts
On April 16 2017 12:02 The_Red_Viper wrote: I already answered this. Because a lot of people come from sc2 and want to keep playing that game. Two different hotkey setups are simply annoying to deal with. "Because a lot of people come from sc2 and want to keep playing that game" This is a different game though? | ||
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Meepman
Canada610 Posts
On April 16 2017 13:24 Jealous wrote: "Because a lot of people come from sc2 and want to keep playing that game" This is a different game though? D: do you really think two different hot key setups for these games won't throw people off? | ||
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Intari
31 Posts
On April 16 2017 13:24 Jealous wrote: "Because a lot of people come from sc2 and want to keep playing that game" This is a different game though? He means people want to bounce between BW and SC2 and it really messes with the muscle memory. Got to agree there. I tried changing my Pylons and Probes over to the E key but my hand kept reaching for the P key lol | ||
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Jealous
10415 Posts
On April 16 2017 13:30 Meepman wrote: D: do you really think two different hot key setups for these games won't throw people off? Switch SC2 keys to Classic, problem solved ^^ | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
The simple fact is that people who wanna play both games will have ot way harder when there is no custom hotkeys. You might think that's not a good reason ofc. But it is a reason for people to be upset. Especially when the old hotkeys are sometimes placed idiotically to begin with, but hey apparently that makes it "like playing a music instrument" or something. Like i will play it no matter what because i like the gameplay, but it will definitely be annoying to press o,m and other badly placed keys instead of reasonable ones. On April 16 2017 13:32 Jealous wrote: Switch SC2 keys to Classic, problem solved ^^ Yeah that is reasonable ofc , well no | ||
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Meepman
Canada610 Posts
On April 16 2017 13:32 Jealous wrote: Switch SC2 keys to Classic, problem solved ^^ .... fair enough. wp. | ||
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jca2
France52 Posts
On April 15 2017 16:22 shakigami wrote: how do we analyze replays now? bwchart doesnt work with 1.18 rep see http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/520807-118-replay-format-compression at the end  | ||
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Jealous
10415 Posts
On April 16 2017 18:40 jca2 wrote: see http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/520807-118-replay-format-compression at the end Boss! Thank you! | ||
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Crueger
Sweden73 Posts
Haven't played for years before this, guess i should check out Iccup. | ||
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Deleted User 26513
2376 Posts
On April 16 2017 13:24 Jealous wrote: "Because a lot of people come from sc2 and want to keep playing that game" This is a different game though? Yes it is different game, with horrible hotkey placement. I can't see a reason to not include hotkey remapping - it's pretty much required feature by today's standards for games. If I want to play with just the Numpad (or with my 20 button mouse), I should be able to do it. It doesn't change the game mechanics in any way so I can't see the issue. | ||
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Lorch
Germany3711 Posts
On April 19 2017 00:04 Crueger wrote: Did they mention anything about when they'd bring the PTR back up? Haven't played for years before this, guess i should check out Iccup. It's still up. Seems like most people think it's down though, so the population has decreased quiet a bit. I'm guessing it'll eventually go down once 1.18 drops. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12973 Posts
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Crueger
Sweden73 Posts
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On April 19 2017 01:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm loving the opportunity to play some good old fashioned ums again. Bounds, cannon defense, mini games, RPG's, great times. Shit, that's right. :O :O | ||
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Jealous
10415 Posts
On April 19 2017 00:57 Pr0wler wrote: Yes it is different game, with horrible hotkey placement. I can't see a reason to not include hotkey remapping - it's pretty much required feature by today's standards for games. If I want to play with just the Numpad (or with my 20 button mouse), I should be able to do it. It doesn't change the game mechanics in any way so I can't see the issue. It changes the dexterity requirement for the game when you can make all abilities for each race Q W and E. I feel that the dexterity requirement is part of what makes Brood War challenging, and is part of the experience that has been a standard for all players for nearly two decades. Changing it just so that new players with low tolerance for dexterity challenges might have a slightly easier time getting bopped before they quit and move on to a new game is not a priority in my eyes. Anyone who can't learn the mechanics required for a specific game and want to make the game conform to them and their prior experience with SC2 and not the other way around are unlikely to stand the test of time or contribute much of anything to the community, because in reality, what will a D- noob contribute? In my lengthy experience with Brood War and on TL, history says that D- noobs contribute three things: 1. Easy stepping stone on ladder. 2. D-rank oriented tournaments, events, etc., which is great and commendable. I think this is an important part of the foreign community. 3. Shit posts on TL/Battle.net/reddit, wherever. Because what can a person who doesn't know shit contribute to a real-time strategy game? Pretty much nothing positive outside of what I mentioned in #2, which is very insular for people of the same low skill level, like the NHFFA community (which is admittedly great and fun, but as I said, very insular). Similarly, a person who is unwilling to learn the game as it was made and played for nearly 20 years is unlikely to progress past the first few skill-checks that will present themselves in a game that has a veteran playerbase. I'm not entirely against implementing hotkey remapping, in the sense that I won't throw a hissy fit or quit just because Blizzard made the game easier for noobs. They are still noobs. And mechanics at the pro level are more or less secondary at this point, so I don't expect it to change the only competition that really matters. I do, however, think that it is a manifestation of the entitled, spoonfed, low-effort, low-risk high-reward, casual gaming mentality that should be kept contained to the UMS, Fastest, and 3v3 BGH sectors of the game, which should have no say about what should or should not be in the competitive scene, including hotkey remapping. An analogy: A bunch of migrants enter your country and start pushing for legislation that is more favorable towards migrants while ignoring the fact that the laws have been the same for a long time and have worked well for the established citizens. The migrants only care about having an easier time in the country they just came to, without having to conform to the status quo. They try to make it so that the official language does not actually need to be learned, that their cultural norms should be enforced upon all, simply because they arrived hastily and in vast numbers. Then, after a few years, when a different country seems to offer a better grazing ground for them, they will depart en masse anew and not give two shits about the country they had recently come into, forced change upon, and effectively bent to their will simply because they shouted the loudest and angriest at the way things had been for well over a decade because it didn't fit their imagination of that country. | ||
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Lorch
Germany3711 Posts
On April 19 2017 03:51 Jealous wrote: [...] I do, however, think that it is a manifestation of the entitled, spoonfed, low-effort, low-risk high-reward, casual gaming mentality [...] Is a true joy to read. Kudos to you Jealous! Amazing post! | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
edit: the truth is that you are against change in general because in your mind you can make every single change look bad. Comparing custom hotkeys to immigrants wanting to change everything about your country, like do you even read what you write? Do you actually think that pressing e instead of p makes it that much easier so you "don't need dexterity" anymore? Really? Like using another hotkey is magically doing all the work for you? It's a bit easier to reach it, that's it. You still need just as many actions and making it a bit easier to reach the key will maybe increase your apm a tiny bit. Buhu. I mean you try to explain your stance so that is already better than most other guys, but it's still so extreme in its pov that it doesn't really matter. To also use a bad analogy: Extremists (no matter what form) also have the ability to phrase their believes in a way to seem more reasonable. That's what you do. Under all of it there is the notion that bw is exactly perfect as it is and any change, no matter how tiny it is will be fought against. Also arguing that new players are basically meaningless in the grand scheme of things is laughable as well. New players is exactly what bw needs, both in the foreign and korean scene. | ||
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Jealous
10415 Posts
On April 19 2017 04:04 The_Red_Viper wrote: Yeah amazing post showcasing yet again how close minded you guys are I have yet to see you present a reasonable, well-written argument about anything, ever. All I've seen you do is inflate your post count with non-sequitur or bleeding heart, poor syntax and grammar, low-effort comments. I'm sorry if you don't agree with me, but disagreeing with me here is the same as disagreeing with the way the game has been played since 1998 and which has more or less given birth to modern competitive gaming as a career choice. I even said I'm not entirely against hotkey remapping. I think that it won't break the game. I just think that implementing it is a "yea, whatever," move as opposed to "WE MUST HAVE THIS" as a lot of newcomers make it seem to be. I internally laugh and cry at the posts that say "I won't play without remapping." I'm like, "Great, I can play just fine without you." Look at avilo's post that says that without remapping, people should invest their money elsewhere. Fucking L O L. Avilo played the same cancer style Terran in Brood War before he switched to SC2 and did the same thing. Should avilo have a say about how Brood War, or SC2, are to be played by everyone else? Plz no. And the other people commenting about this are often even less qualified than him, which is saying something. | ||
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