1.18 Public Test Realm - Now Available - Page 36

On April 19 2017 03:51 Jealous wrote:

It changes the dexterity requirement for the game when you can make all abilities for each race Q W and E. I feel that the dexterity requirement is part of what makes Brood War challenging, and is part of the experience that has been a standard for all players for nearly two decades. Changing it just so that new players with low tolerance for dexterity challenges might have a slightly easier time getting bopped before they quit and move on to a new game is not a priority in my eyes. Anyone who can't learn the mechanics required for a specific game and want to make the game conform to them and their prior experience with SC2 and not the other way around are unlikely to stand the test of time or contribute much of anything to the community, because in reality, what will a D- noob contribute? In my lengthy experience with Brood War and on TL, history says that D- noobs contribute three things:

1. Easy stepping stone on ladder.
2. D-rank oriented tournaments, events, etc., which is great and commendable. I think this is an important part of the foreign community.
3. Shit posts on TL/Battle.net/reddit, wherever.

Because what can a person who doesn't know shit contribute to a real-time strategy game? Pretty much nothing positive outside of what I mentioned in #2, which is very insular for people of the same low skill level, like the NHFFA community (which is admittedly great and fun, but as I said, very insular). Similarly, a person who is unwilling to learn the game as it was made and played for nearly 20 years is unlikely to progress past the first few skill-checks that will present themselves in a game that has a veteran playerbase.

I'm not entirely against implementing hotkey remapping, in the sense that I won't throw a hissy fit or quit just because Blizzard made the game easier for noobs. They are still noobs. And mechanics at the pro level are more or less secondary at this point, so I don't expect it to change the only competition that really matters. I do, however, think that it is a manifestation of the entitled, spoonfed, low-effort, low-risk high-reward, casual gaming mentality that should be kept contained to the UMS, Fastest, and 3v3 BGH sectors of the game, which should have no say about what should or should not be in the competitive scene, including hotkey remapping.

An analogy: A bunch of migrants enter your country and start pushing for legislation that is more favorable towards migrants while ignoring the fact that the laws have been the same for a long time and have worked well for the established citizens. The migrants only care about having an easier time in the country they just came to, without having to conform to the status quo. They try to make it so that the official language does not actually need to be learned, that their cultural norms should be enforced upon all, simply because they arrived hastily and in vast numbers. Then, after a few years, when a different country seems to offer a better grazing ground for them, they will depart en masse anew and not give two shits about the country they had recently come into, forced change upon, and effectively bent to their will simply because they shouted the loudest and angriest at the way things had been for well over a decade because it didn't fit their imagination of that country.

On April 19 2017 03:51 Jealous wrote:

It changes the dexterity requirement for the game when you can make all abilities for each race Q W and E. I feel that the dexterity requirement is part of what makes Brood War challenging, and is part of the experience that has been a standard for all players for nearly two decades. Changing it just so that new players with low tolerance for dexterity challenges might have a slightly easier time getting bopped before they quit and move on to a new game is not a priority in my eyes. Anyone who can't learn the mechanics required for a specific game and want to make the game conform to them and their prior experience with SC2 and not the other way around are unlikely to stand the test of time or contribute much of anything to the community, because in reality, what will a D- noob contribute? In my lengthy experience with Brood War and on TL, history says that D- noobs contribute three things:

1. Easy stepping stone on ladder.
2. D-rank oriented tournaments, events, etc., which is great and commendable. I think this is an important part of the foreign community.
3. Shit posts on TL/Battle.net/reddit, wherever.

Because what can a person who doesn't know shit contribute to a real-time strategy game? Pretty much nothing positive outside of what I mentioned in #2, which is very insular for people of the same low skill level, like the NHFFA community (which is admittedly great and fun, but as I said, very insular). Similarly, a person who is unwilling to learn the game as it was made and played for nearly 20 years is unlikely to progress past the first few skill-checks that will present themselves in a game that has a veteran playerbase.

I'm not entirely against implementing hotkey remapping, in the sense that I won't throw a hissy fit or quit just because Blizzard made the game easier for noobs. They are still noobs. And mechanics at the pro level are more or less secondary at this point, so I don't expect it to change the only competition that really matters. I do, however, think that it is a manifestation of the entitled, spoonfed, low-effort, low-risk high-reward, casual gaming mentality that should be kept contained to the UMS, Fastest, and 3v3 BGH sectors of the game, which should have no say about what should or should not be in the competitive scene, including hotkey remapping.

An analogy: A bunch of migrants enter your country and start pushing for legislation that is more favorable towards migrants while ignoring the fact that the laws have been the same for a long time and have worked well for the established citizens. The migrants only care about having an easier time in the country they just came to, without having to conform to the status quo. They try to make it so that the official language does not actually need to be learned, that their cultural norms should be enforced upon all, simply because they arrived hastily and in vast numbers. Then, after a few years, when a different country seems to offer a better grazing ground for them, they will depart en masse anew and not give two shits about the country they had recently come into, forced change upon, and effectively bent to their will simply because they shouted the loudest and angriest at the way things had been for well over a decade because it didn't fit their imagination of that country.

On April 19 2017 04:53 Jealous wrote:

Ignoring everything that isn't actually an argument for the cause and answering your "basic argument:"

Other languages do indeed have different hotkeys but no other language has been found to be universally superior to another, and KESPA enforced the use of the English keyboard and language in-game. No language keyboard is comparable to Grid or other customizable hotkeys like mouse button attack/patrol mapping, for example. It's a false dichotomy that you are constructing here, yet a perfect example of the "slippery slope" mentality that would lead to the defiling of this game imo.

~NegativeZero: This is a reasonable argument and why, as I said before, I'm not entirely against custom hotkeys.
I just don't feel they should be a requirement and think it is wholly unhealthy to think of them as such.

On April 19 2017 04:56 ortseam wrote:
While i agree with remapped hotkeys, keep in mind that most people in forums have been asking for rebindable control groups as well, aka infinite control groups. Whether this changes the gameplay (and the skill ceiling especially for zerg) should be obvious

On April 12 2017 23:58 SCC-Faust wrote:
Yes, admittedly they have made some decent progress.

I'm not trying to be negative but it is extremely jarring they thought it was okay to announce the release of 1.18 in its original state. It really makes you question if they have any idea what they are doing or if they tested it at all when you couldn't even get games to start 50% of the time. Not to mention they totally stripped a ton of features of the original battle.net and made the design more unintuitive. Despite that I'm ecstatic that they have listened to our feedback though and have been working hard on making things right. But what they did compares to showing up as a referee to a professional Volleyball game and giving them a deflated ball with holes poked in it and giving the players a nod and wink.