• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 07:36
CEST 13:36
KST 20:36
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2914Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12
Community News
Neeb returns to progaming; rejoins ONSYDE8Weekly Cups (July 20-26): Early returns on 5.0.16b7IntoTheTV X SOOP SC2 League : Weekly & Monthly4Clem: "I don't have that much hope in Blizzard"7ZeroSpace Early Access is Now Live!41
StarCraft 2
General
Terran or Protoss Neeb returns to progaming; rejoins ONSYDE Weekly Cups (July 20-26): Early returns on 5.0.16b 3kb/s downloading patch..... are we back to 1998? Daily SC2 Player Grid - feedback wanted
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament IntoTheTV X SOOP SC2 League : Weekly & Monthly INu's Battles#18 - Cure, herO, Rogue & ByuN
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Industrial Park New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate
External Content
Mutation # 536 Railroad Switch The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 535 Assembly of Vengeance Mutation # 534 Burning Evacuation
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion screpdb: new Starcraft reporting tool ASL22 General Discussion ASL 22 Proposed Map Pool Klaucher discontinued / in-game color settings
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues 2v2v2v2 Tournament Star Con San Diego 2026 Escore Tournament - Season 3
Strategy
Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers PvT advise for noobs
Other Games
General Games
ZeroSpace Early Access is Now Live! Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Artificial Intelligence Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread How to buy a book - shipping from Korea to Europe
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2026-27 Football Thread placeholder 2024 - 2026 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop
TL Community
Northern Ireland Global Starcraft The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Games, Hormones, and "Dark" …
TrAiDoS
Hello guys!
LIN1s
ASL S22 English Commentary…
namkraft
Poker (part 2)
Nebuchad
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 4033 users

Map: C.A.S development thread

Forum Index > BW General
Post a Reply
1 2 3 4 5 Next All
Jukado
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
805 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-30 17:36:01
September 24 2016 22:10 GMT
#1
A darkened room, a monitor glowing
Under the desk, a tower is humming
On the surface, a mouse is clicking

A vehicle passes and light seeps in through the blind
Revealing the outline of a figure infront of the computer
Composed, concentrating, creating

Meanwhile a rival’s curiosity grows
The usual comm channels are suspiciously quiet
Is a new project underway?
Unscrupulous methods of investigation are set in motion

Run Icewall Cracker…
Accessing files…
32 jpegs found…
Assembling…

GIF
+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]
Star Tale Public Domain project. Maps: (2)Gates Of Memphis, (2)Marshmallow Toast, (4)Bubbles, (4)Clay Fields, (6)Numbskull Desert. Also the Vaylu Public Domain Tileset. Also Ramp Palettes, Brood War guides and some fun stuff. Links in my profile
Jukado
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
805 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-30 17:36:49
September 24 2016 22:10 GMT
#2
Hmm, so a new brood war map is being made, intriguing. It seems to be similar to Fighting Spirit but:

-the top left nat is rotated in the other direction

-there are 2 bridges per spawn

Perhaps I will take a look at the raw file in detail later, the cracker thinks:
Master Blueprint (can view in SCMDraft2, not playable ingame)

But what is the name of the map? The eyes flit back and forth, speed reading, searching for a name. However, the only information is an acronym and what seems like it might be a cryptic clue.

C.A.S
Get a head, get a hat
Wand in hand, on thrones they sat


I wonder what C.A.S stands for?

Overview

[image loading]
Star Tale Public Domain project. Maps: (2)Gates Of Memphis, (2)Marshmallow Toast, (4)Bubbles, (4)Clay Fields, (6)Numbskull Desert. Also the Vaylu Public Domain Tileset. Also Ramp Palettes, Brood War guides and some fun stuff. Links in my profile
-NegativeZero-
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2142 Posts
September 24 2016 22:24 GMT
#3
it's "cardinal allin sucks", right?
vibeo gane,
joust85
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada53 Posts
September 24 2016 22:34 GMT
#4
On September 25 2016 07:24 -NegativeZero- wrote:
it's "cardinal allin sucks", right?


Haha :p

The wonky symmetry is odd. Very FS-like but would like to see it finished.
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-24 22:55:19
September 24 2016 22:49 GMT
#5
Haha, CA is really on good mood lately. I like that idea. How about instead of vertical center ( ) make 'em horizontal, I mean opposite rotation so it will be a bit different from FS? Also why only top left but not also bottom right, now it looks funny.

And I wanted to ask: Is there a way you will try to make a Space Fighting Spirit since we already have Badlands, Ice, Desert and Twilight ones. I'll be really glad to see it.

CardinalAllinSpirit new ladder map incoming...
sunbeams are never made like me...
RoomOfMush
Profile Joined March 2015
1296 Posts
September 24 2016 23:49 GMT
#6
So the map has no symmetry at all it seems?
-NegativeZero-
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2142 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-25 00:30:49
September 25 2016 00:29 GMT
#7
On September 25 2016 08:49 RoomOfMush wrote:
So the map has no symmetry at all it seems?

well it's half rotational, half reflectional "symmetry" like lost temple and r-point

isn't the rush distance between the top 2 spawns a little too short though?
vibeo gane,
c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11306 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-25 01:17:42
September 25 2016 00:55 GMT
#8
On September 25 2016 09:29 -NegativeZero- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2016 08:49 RoomOfMush wrote:
So the map has no symmetry at all it seems?

well it's half rotational, half reflectional "symmetry" like lost temple and r-point

isn't the rush distance between the top 2 spawns a little too short though?

An idea (a stupid one):
Put ridges or some destructible buildings/mineral lines ala Blitz X in the middle area between 11 o'clock and 1 o'clock

Edit - acronym: Cardinal's Asymmetrical Symmetry
WriterMovie, 진영화 : "StarCraft will never die".
LaStScan
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)1289 Posts
September 25 2016 01:58 GMT
#9
Can we possibly have a 3 player map?
Too much similar maps imo(4 player maps)
Trying my best for ASL, ASTL
Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8093 Posts
September 25 2016 04:08 GMT
#10
Nice map, would like to see a couple more mineral patches though
Loda talked about the fun counter, it's AdmiralBulldog on his natures prophet
halomonian
Profile Joined January 2012
Brazil255 Posts
September 25 2016 04:25 GMT
#11
top and bottom left "third" seem against the grain on the simmetry. Also, would love a mineral only nat!
thoughts in chaos | enjOy[dream]
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10806 Posts
September 25 2016 04:52 GMT
#12
Amazing work sir, as always.
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
zobz
Profile Joined November 2005
Canada2175 Posts
September 25 2016 05:26 GMT
#13
That looks really nice, and I wonder how it would play out.
"That's not gonna be good for business." "That's not gonna be good for anybody."
Freakling
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany1534 Posts
September 25 2016 14:07 GMT
#14
On September 25 2016 10:58 LaStScan wrote:
Can we possibly have a 3 player map?
Too much similar maps imo(4 player maps)


I second this suggestion. Please stop cloning FS and make a 3 player map, Cardinal :D

How about this one (I even have my own + Show Spoiler [gif] +
[image loading]
;D )?
3FFA
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States3931 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-25 17:03:16
September 25 2016 17:02 GMT
#15
On September 25 2016 23:07 Freakling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2016 10:58 LaStScan wrote:
Can we possibly have a 3 player map?
Too much similar maps imo(4 player maps)


I second this suggestion. Please stop cloning FS and make a 3 player map, Cardinal :D

How about this one (I even have my own + Show Spoiler [gif] +
[image loading]
;D )?

I third this suggestion. It's a nice job and all but 4 player maps are all we see now a days.

Am I the only one that wish there were more maps like blue storm?

Hi Cardinal! :D
"As long as it comes from a pure place and from a honest place, you know, you can write whatever you want."
B-royal
Profile Joined May 2015
Belgium1330 Posts
September 25 2016 17:06 GMT
#16
or a 5 player map
new BW-player (~E rank fish) twitch.tv/crispydrone || What plays 500 games a season but can't get better? => http://imgur.com/a/pLzf9 <= ||
Freakling
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany1534 Posts
September 25 2016 17:38 GMT
#17
On September 26 2016 02:06 B-royal wrote:
or a 5 player map
+ Show Spoiler [Doable!] +

[image loading]

Jukado
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
805 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-27 12:19:52
September 26 2016 16:52 GMT
#18
On September 25 2016 07:24 -NegativeZero- wrote:
it's "cardinal allin sucks", right?


Fair enough, I guess I asked for that lol.

On September 25 2016 07:49 outscar wrote:
How about instead of vertical center, make 'em horizontal, so it will be a bit different from FS? Also why only top left but not also bottom right, now it looks funny.

And I wanted to ask: Is there a way you will try to make a Space Fighting Spirit since we already have Badlands, Ice, Desert and Twilight ones.


Nice idea, Ive actually played with it already and it would work ok. There will be a base there, and horizontal mineral lines plus gas are not as space efficient and I think are less attractive too, so will probably keep it vertical. The middle will have lots of rocks and trees to micro around.

The plan was always to only rotate the top left nat, to give lots of variety.
Theres already a space tileset FS too.

On September 25 2016 08:49 RoomOfMush wrote:
So the map has no symmetry at all it seems?


The top bases are shifted to the right, and the left bases are shifted up. The top right nat is lower than the top left nat. So the map is made without the symmetry tool or anything but yeah like -NegativeZero- said it’s a mix; a rotational map with 1 spawn in the other direction or an axial map with 1 spawn in the other direction or however you want to describe it. But technically that means no there isnt any symmetry (even if the mirror tool had been used for 3 of the spawns).

On September 25 2016 09:29 -NegativeZero- wrote:
isn't the rush distance between the top 2 spawns a little too short though?


Its currently 20 seconds from the nat entrance to the nat entrance. Its an area Im looking at.

On September 25 2016 09:55 c3rberUs wrote:
An idea (a stupid one):
Put ridges or some destructible buildings/mineral lines ala Blitz X in the middle area between 11 o'clock and 1 o'clock


No thats not a stupid idea, see above its something Im looking at.
Also, all ideas are welcomed. Showing the map at this stage is to get thoughts.

On September 25 2016 10:58 LaStScan wrote:
Can we possibly have a 3 player map?
Too much similar maps imo(4 player maps)


Im going to finish this map, and I don’t have a plan for after that. 4 player maps with this kind of layout are uncommon. And there aren’t that many 4 player maps with nats that have air gaps around them like FS (which is a thing that is more common on 3 player maps). This map has the slightly irregular feeling that a 3 player map has, while still having a familiar feeling to the most popular map.

On September 25 2016 13:25 halomonian wrote:
top and bottom left "third" seem against the grain on the simmetry. Also, would love a mineral only nat!


I would like them to have a bit of variation but still be roughly the same size (16 tiles wide x 18 tiles high). I think they are shaping up ok but the shape of terrain in general is not finished yet, so nothing is final.
The nats will have gas in though.

@Freakling: The reason Im making a 4 player map is partly so it can be used for 2v2.

@3FFA: Hiya
@GGzerG, zobz, Scaramanga: Thankyou

And no C.A.S doesn’t stand for
Cardinal's Asymmetrical Symmetry or
CardinalAllinSpirit either haha.
Star Tale Public Domain project. Maps: (2)Gates Of Memphis, (2)Marshmallow Toast, (4)Bubbles, (4)Clay Fields, (6)Numbskull Desert. Also the Vaylu Public Domain Tileset. Also Ramp Palettes, Brood War guides and some fun stuff. Links in my profile
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10529 Posts
September 26 2016 17:30 GMT
#19
needs symetry :c
Writer#1 KT and FlaSh Fanboy || Woo Jung Ho Never Forget || Teamliquid Political Decision Desk
TL+ Member
Freakling
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany1534 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-27 11:49:16
September 26 2016 21:14 GMT
#20
Well, the problem with this map idea is that you end up with poor positional balance due to a vary uneven distribution of expansions and unequal rush distances. Picking FS with it's inherent rotational variety and already relatively short rushing distances only aggravates those problems. You'd be much better off doing a through-and through asymmetrical layout that is actually accommodated to what you want to do (i.e. a map with one asymmetrical spawn). Most importantly you really need to space out the topmost two nats more, not only to increase the rushing distance but also to create space for a proper gas expansion at 12 o'clock. Maybe you can make the left side more like CB top/bottom with some mineral onlies. In general I think throwing in some mineral onlies instead of a central gas expansion will give you a lot more adaptability to make the layout work as a whole,
1 2 3 4 5 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Kung Fu Cup
11:00
2026 Week 17
WardiTV256
TKL 114
SteadfastSC39
LiquipediaDiscussion
The PondCast
10:00
Episode 103
CranKy Ducklings20
CranKy Ducklings SOOP8
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Lowko327
TKL 114
ProTech79
Rex 53
SteadfastSC 39
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 7543
Shuttle 3380
Horang2 758
Zeus 676
firebathero 535
Snow 210
Larva 206
EffOrt 206
Soulkey 194
Stork 193
[ Show more ]
Light 186
actioN 145
Last 132
Dewaltoss 120
Rush 110
Hyun 94
ggaemo 64
sorry 63
ZerO 61
Free 58
ToSsGirL 57
hero 54
Mind 51
Killer 40
[sc1f]eonzerg 30
Sacsri 29
scan(afreeca) 25
soO 23
Sharp 22
Hm[arnc] 21
JYJ 17
yabsab 15
SilentControl 13
Sexy 10
Barracks 6
Mong 1
Dota 2
Dendi396
Pyrionflax185
Counter-Strike
kRYSTAL_45
Other Games
FrodaN1372
singsing1201
B2W.Neo438
crisheroes246
DeMusliM194
Mew2King130
XaKoH 112
Fuzer 79
Liquid`LucifroN76
ZerO(Twitch)7
Organizations
StarCraft 2
IntoTheiNu 528
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 85
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV397
League of Legends
• Jankos1574
Upcoming Events
Patches Events
4h 25m
Replay Cast
21h 25m
CrankTV Team League
23h 25m
OSC
1d 1h
OSC
1d 5h
Replay Cast
1d 12h
Escore
1d 22h
CrankTV Team League
1d 23h
OSC
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
[ Show More ]
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
ByuN vs SHIN
Solar vs Lambo
WardiTV Summer Champion…
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Clem vs Serral
herO vs Rogue
WardiTV Summer Champion…
4 days
WardiTV Weekly
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
PiGosaur Cup
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Kung Fu Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-07-28
SCTL 2026 Spring
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale

Ongoing

CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W5
ASL Season 22: Qualifier #1
ASL Season 22: Qualifier #2
Acropolis #5
Escore Tournament S3: W6
Escore Tournament S3: W7
Escore Tournament S3: W8
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
Light Tournament 2026
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
Logitech G Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.