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On May 25 2016 15:50 Pippah wrote:I recon that if you have a ladder, the ladder will be most fun and competetive if races are locked after match search. I feel like a racepicking mechaninc would be good to have for a "casual" playstyle. So two modes of play should be created when auto matchmaking. The only downside would be the potential for "not enough" players on either mode  If you just want casual play, why not just make custom games? 1v1/obs etc
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At this point I am just going to wait for the servers release, i'm sure all of these conversations / topics have already been discussed in Birdie's thread, hopefully this server is made into open beta before too long, announcing this then waiting till June or later is a waste of time though even at this point, the hype is there...
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I'm not against this proposed racepicking system in theory, but in practice most people racepick because they hate playing mirrors. No one plays random on ICCUP b/c they usually get booted, but on SC2 since you have automatchmaking, a decent amout of ppl play random. This means that even if you have a racepick vs random, you could still end up with a mirror which kind of makes the whole system pointless. So not only do you not eliminate mirrors, but ppl who want to practice them end up having to play custom games or play random and hope they get someone who racepicks their race vs random. The simplest version that Pippah mentions is probably the best. Further, SC2 proves that not having a racepick option doesn't necessarily turn off players (most of the new players brought in by SB will probly be SC2 players anyway) so we should probly just implement no racepicking at first and add it if enough people complain.
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On May 26 2016 08:38 f10eqq wrote:
but on SC2 since you have automatchmaking, a decent amout of ppl play random.
sc2 is a different game....
and even if you still want to use it as comparison, just a simple check online the % of players at diamond picking random is only <6%, its even much lower at masters/gm (which are the "serious" tier). thats not a decent amount by any means.
people picking random should never be a issue. they need to learn 9 matchups, they have to contend with having a chance to play something like TvT...if they want to play random kudos to them.
On May 26 2016 08:38 f10eqq wrote:
This means that even if you have a racepick vs random, you could still end up with a mirror which kind of makes the whole system pointless. So not only do you not eliminate mirrors, but ppl who want to practice them end up having to play custom games or play random and hope they get someone who racepicks their race vs random. The simplest version that Pippah mentions is probably the best. Further, SC2 proves that not having a racepick option doesn't necessarily turn off players (most of the new players brought in by SB will probly be SC2 players anyway) so we should probly just implement no racepicking at first and add it if enough people complain.
i imagine that with proper racepicking options, instead of having the 4 main race buttons, you have to select from the list of 9 different matchups (perhaps having at least 3 mandatory selections). whats the beauty of this is that i can pick more than 3, say i am a main Z but sometimes i like to play TvZ. this kind of racepicking system would allow me to do that.
when it comes to sc2 theres only the official blizz servers, so people can only play there and just have to suck up. in BW alternatives exist in Fish/iccup where theres the lobby system.
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I don't understand the point of announcing that you are going to send invites if only the TL staffs and your friends are being invited.
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On May 26 2016 17:19 Skyblueone wrote:
I don't understand the point of announcing that you are going to send invites if only the TL staffs and your friends are being invited.
Maybe it's because they are seeking to expand their initial playerbase in closed beta and want to know who is interested among the people they know and trust while simultaneously making the project known to the general populace? Just because you didn't get into a closed beta doesn't mean you should be butthurt and judgmental towards the people who will be providing you with a service -_-;
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We'll try to keep the closed beta period as short as possible, so we can open our server to everyone who wishes to play this beautiful game, hassle-free.
If you are not planning on doing something, don't say that you are going to do it.
And you are the guy who seems butthurted by my comment while being judgmental.
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On May 26 2016 18:32 Skyblueone wrote:Show nested quote +We'll try to keep the closed beta period as short as possible, so we can open our server to everyone who wishes to play this beautiful game, hassle-free.
If you are not planning on doing something, don't say that you are going to do it. And you are the guy who seems butthurted by my comment while being judgmental.
How have they violated the statement that you've quoted?
Lol?
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More information would certainly reduce the amount of disappointed/angry posts. It would be nice for example if the amount of people signing up for the beta would be publicly known and how many users have been admitted so far.
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On May 26 2016 17:58 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2016 17:19 Skyblueone wrote:
I don't understand the point of announcing that you are going to send invites if only the TL staffs and your friends are being invited. Maybe it's because they are seeking to expand their initial playerbase in closed beta and want to know who is interested among the people they know and trust while simultaneously making the project known to the general populace? Just because you didn't get into a closed beta doesn't mean you should be butthurt and judgmental towards the people who will be providing you with a service -_-;
Are you serious?? WHO IS INTERESTED? Have you read Birdie's thread? Give me a break....
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In my humble opinion, I think they're handling this quite poorly even though I agree with Jealous. Something as simple as inviting 10 "random" outsiders and proclaiming the lucky few could appease all the angry and impatient people.
Else, they should have just waited another month or two and let the open beta accompany their pronouncement.
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On May 27 2016 02:02 GGzerG wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2016 17:58 Jealous wrote:On May 26 2016 17:19 Skyblueone wrote:
I don't understand the point of announcing that you are going to send invites if only the TL staffs and your friends are being invited. Maybe it's because they are seeking to expand their initial playerbase in closed beta and want to know who is interested among the people they know and trust while simultaneously making the project known to the general populace? Just because you didn't get into a closed beta doesn't mean you should be butthurt and judgmental towards the people who will be providing you with a service -_-; Are you serious?? WHO IS INTERESTED? Have you read Birdie's thread? Give me a break....
I know that you are mad desperate to be in the closed beta too, as evidenced by the many posts you have in this thread, so perhaps your feelings are overcoming logic. Of course many people are interested. However, how would they know who is interested if they never went public and never had a sign-up process? What would they do, just give access to random people who may or may not have time or interest in playing StarCraft or a new server? No.
I'm not involved with the process, but I am going to guess it is something like this: they gave access to a handful of people, most of whom are involved with the project or TeamLiquid I'm guessing. Now that they are ready to expand their operations, they posted a sign-up form. Let's say 500 people signed up, but they were only looking to expand to about 100, because there is still more testing to be done. They let the additional ~40-60 new people in to make a total of 100, and the rest are now waiting for the next opportunity when SB wants to expand.
In the meantime, people are acting like entitled brats and whiny kids. It's pretty fucking pathetic. It's like there is a permanent level of toxicity in Brood War forums and whenever someone who provides a service to the playerbase doesn't meet some expectations that some people had, whether that expectation is reasonable or not, those people instantly start shitting up the thread. People losing their fucking minds over it lol. People in here demanding to see statistics and "full transparency" or whatever, how much more entitled can you be? You don't have some sort of fundamental human right to know the inner workings of SB and get facts and figures. Wouldn't you rather they be working on the project and thus potentially put it in your hands sooner rather than have them waste time compiling statistics and answering silly questions in the thread?
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On May 27 2016 02:16 Jealous wrote:
In the meantime, people are acting like entitled brats and whiny kids. It's pretty fucking pathetic. It's like there is a permanent level of toxicity in Brood War forums and whenever someone who provides a service to the playerbase doesn't meet some expectations that some people had, whether that expectation is reasonable or not, those people instantly start shitting up the thread. People losing their fucking minds over it lol.
+1, The famous BW elitism
Just give the project time, recheck in 1/2 year when it's apparent it's basically still in alpha/not for the public masses. It's not like the old ways to play bw are gone, you know ....
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I know that you are mad desperate to be in the closed beta too, as evidenced by the many posts you have in this thread, so perhaps your feelings are overcoming logic.
Go fuck yourself with your condescending tone.
User was banned for this post.
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On May 27 2016 02:16 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2016 02:02 GGzerG wrote:On May 26 2016 17:58 Jealous wrote:On May 26 2016 17:19 Skyblueone wrote:
I don't understand the point of announcing that you are going to send invites if only the TL staffs and your friends are being invited. Maybe it's because they are seeking to expand their initial playerbase in closed beta and want to know who is interested among the people they know and trust while simultaneously making the project known to the general populace? Just because you didn't get into a closed beta doesn't mean you should be butthurt and judgmental towards the people who will be providing you with a service -_-; Are you serious?? WHO IS INTERESTED? Have you read Birdie's thread? Give me a break.... However, how would they know who is interested if they never went public and never had a sign-up process? What would they do, just give access to random people who may or may not have time or interest in playing StarCraft or a new server? No.
How would they know who is interested? By the previous thread where Birdie was "making a server to save BW" etc as I stated before, there is practically 0 difference in these two threads. The way you talk is pretty hilarious as well Jealous, thank god we have someone that is omniscient in the scene, to always let us know what is truly going on and guide us with you're infallible logic.
Please, just stop while you are ahead. Who do you think you are lol.
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Canada11316 Posts
Patience people. There's no need to tear each other apart in the interim.
The fundamental difference between the two threads is there is already a product that people are playing on (that has been streamed.)
However, while SB has beta testers and will need more soon TM, it just might not be on your timeline.
As a side note.
I have zero control or influence on who gets let into beta, but personally, if I had some say in process, I don't think I would be altogether that motivated to let harriers and hostile whiners in the early waves. As far as I can tell, we kind of need people with patience that won't mind playing on an unfinished project.
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On May 27 2016 03:37 Falling wrote:
Patience people. There's no need to tear each other apart in the interim.
The fundamental difference between the two threads is there is already a product that people are playing on (that has been streamed.)
However, while SB has beta testers and will need more soon TM, it just might not be on your timeline.
As a side note.
I have zero control or influence on who gets let into beta, but personally, if I had some say in process, I don't think I would be altogether that motivated to let harriers and hostile whiners in the early waves. As far as I can tell, we kind of need people with patience that won't mind playing on an unfinished project.
The other thing which I think is noteworthy is that they have already said that the timeline for allowing more people is to fix the things that have already come up in the closed beta (or so I remember reading something along those lines from 2pac).
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Croatia9489 Posts
On May 27 2016 03:41 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2016 03:37 Falling wrote:
Patience people. There's no need to tear each other apart in the interim.
The fundamental difference between the two threads is there is already a product that people are playing on (that has been streamed.)
However, while SB has beta testers and will need more soon TM, it just might not be on your timeline.
As a side note.
I have zero control or influence on who gets let into beta, but personally, if I had some say in process, I don't think I would be altogether that motivated to let harriers and hostile whiners in the early waves. As far as I can tell, we kind of need people with patience that won't mind playing on an unfinished project. The other thing which I think is noteworthy is that they have already said that the timeline for allowing more people is to fix the things that have already come up in the closed beta (or so I remember reading something along those lines from 2pac).
Yes, this is true. There is no point in inviting more people, only to have them report to us the same bug(s) that the people who already have access reported to us. On the bright side, we did indeed fix some of the annoying bugs that were very hard to track down and we're very close to finishing one part that will be integral to the project overall. With that done, we'll need a lot of testing after the next update, so expect the first wave of invites to go around that time as well.
The reason why we're not giving any specific dates/ETAs/timelines/whatever is because we're working on this project in our free time, which is very limited. So it's very hard to give an accurate estimate since it all depends on how much time we have to invest in it, day to day. And we rather not concern ourselves with calculating an accurate estimation of when things will be done, and instead just work on them.
On May 27 2016 02:16 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2016 02:02 GGzerG wrote:On May 26 2016 17:58 Jealous wrote:On May 26 2016 17:19 Skyblueone wrote:
I don't understand the point of announcing that you are going to send invites if only the TL staffs and your friends are being invited. Maybe it's because they are seeking to expand their initial playerbase in closed beta and want to know who is interested among the people they know and trust while simultaneously making the project known to the general populace? Just because you didn't get into a closed beta doesn't mean you should be butthurt and judgmental towards the people who will be providing you with a service -_-; Are you serious?? WHO IS INTERESTED? Have you read Birdie's thread? Give me a break.... Wouldn't you rather they be working on the project and thus potentially put it in your hands sooner rather than have them waste time compiling statistics and answering silly questions in the thread?
This is the gist of it. We're not sitting on our asses doing nothing while watching you all grow more and more impatient. It's been two weeks since we announced the project and so far we're keeping with our schedule, internally. Soon you'll be able to see the fruits of our labor and all will be well in the world. Or will it? 
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Okay I understand, I will try to control myself until it is possible to play on SB, gl hf to all the "Beta Testers".
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