this means you cannot play 'pvt only', but does it mean you cannot race pick? I must honestly say that I have a hard time seeing myself play any ladder that forces me to play a mirror matchup one third of the time. ;p

Jealous

10163 Posts

May 22 2016 17:37 GMT

#643

On May 23 2016 02:26 Liquid`Drone wrote:
this means you cannot play 'pvt only', but does it mean you cannot race pick? I must honestly say that I have a hard time seeing myself play any ladder that forces me to play a mirror matchup one third of the time. ;p

True, just realized that might be a problem x_x Hopefully that's not the case. I've been racepicking and playing Random way too much recently, I would hate to give it up.

BLinD-RawR

ALLEYCAT BLUES50196 Posts

May 22 2016 17:39 GMT

#644

Indeed I see your point, could it not be something like match an opponent of similar rank and then pick race instead of pick a race and then match opponent? Surely it would account for everyone.

Liquid`Drone

Norway28675 Posts

May 22 2016 17:47 GMT

#645

I'm no programmer so I don't know the feasibility of this, but I'm immediately thinking that the race selection screen (and preferably this isn't something you have to select every time you play) should have four different selections? Like instead of just picking 'protoss', you pick what you're going to play vs protoss, vs terran, vs zerg and vs random. Then in the event of colliding players (say, both select playing pvt pvz zvp), randomly make one of them zerg and one of them protoss.

For me that would mean that I would rather than select zerg, I'd select zvt, zvp, pvz, rvr. and then I'd get to play zvt and zvp but I wouldn't have to deal with zvz, and I'd be super happy. I imagine this is actually a fairly big deal for any race picker - for me it is pretty integral.

Jealous

10163 Posts

May 22 2016 17:51 GMT

#646

On May 23 2016 02:39 BLinD-RawR wrote:

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Indeed I see your point, could it not be something like match an opponent of similar rank and then pick race instead of pick a race and then match opponent? Surely it would account for everyone.

But then you run into that game of footsies where both you and your opponent will be switching race during the countdown or whatnot. Example: We match up neutral. You are Terran and I am Protoss. However, you prefer Zerg vs. Protoss, so you switch. Then I switch to Terran vs. Zerg because that's what I prefer. You don't know this match-up so you switch to Protoss vs Terran because you don't like mirrors. I switch to Zerg vs. Protoss because my Terran vs. Protoss sucks. So on and so forth.

I think the much better option would be to have your race pre-set in your profile somewhere, or in the matchmaking tab. Have it be like four drop-down menus:

[?] v P
[?] v Z
[?] v T
[?] v R

(you get to pick P, T, Z or R for each ? in a drop-down)

And you can't leave any of them blank/empty in an effort to dodge a specific race. THAT is the optimal way imo.

EDIT: Oh shit, Liquid`Drone sniped me ;-;

B-royal

Belgium1330 Posts

May 22 2016 19:42 GMT

#647

I don't think any type of implementation of race picking or arranged matches should be a high priority goal.

Since if your goal is to practice one match-up, I believe you should just play custom games.

I do agree however that when it comes to a game like brood war, allowing people to make detailed choices relating to somewhat trivial preferences such as the types of match-ups they want to play, is the way to go.

It should however be prespecified which match-ups you would like to play, no switching upon seeing someone's race to avoid situations where both players want to switch and can't reach a compromise.

If you want to ladder, you have to abide by its rules.

Espers

United Kingdom606 Posts

May 22 2016 20:26 GMT

#648

can't there just be a alternative race for mirror-matchups that you can select? if there's a clash then between two ZvP/PvZers then just have one picked one at random

ZvZ is bullshit and one of the best parts of iCCup is that I can just play PvZ

Jealous

10163 Posts

May 22 2016 20:58 GMT

#649

On May 23 2016 04:42 B-royal wrote:
I don't think any type of implementation of race picking or arranged matches should be a high priority goal.

Since if your goal is to practice one match-up, I believe you should just play custom games.

I do agree however that when it comes to a game like brood war, allowing people to make detailed choices relating to somewhat trivial preferences such as the types of match-ups they want to play, is the way to go.

It should however be prespecified which match-ups you would like to play, no switching upon seeing someone's race to avoid situations where both players want to switch and can't reach a compromise.

If you want to ladder, you have to abide by its rules.

I would hardly say that the types of match-ups you play are "trivial," as they are a core aspect of what this game is lol

HaN-

France1920 Posts

May 22 2016 23:25 GMT

#650

I uploaded Sayle's presentation of ShieldBattery on Youtube.

+ Show Spoiler +

xboi209

United States1173 Posts

May 22 2016 23:36 GMT

#651

On May 23 2016 08:25 HaN- wrote:
I uploaded Sayle's presentation of ShieldBattery on Youtube.

+ Show Spoiler +

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuGlBn5G8Gs

I thought it was already on youtube o.O

pebble444

Italy2497 Posts

May 22 2016 23:55 GMT

#652

On May 23 2016 08:25 HaN- wrote:
I uploaded Sayle's presentation of ShieldBattery on Youtube.

+ Show Spoiler +

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuGlBn5G8Gs

Thanks for posting that. This looks fantastic. I just wish they would give me a key too. Can' t wait to try this out for myself

ArmadA[NaS]

United States347 Posts

May 23 2016 00:13 GMT

#653

No racepicking imo- maybe more foreigners will finally learn mirror matchups.

Skyblueone

Belgium155 Posts

May 23 2016 00:54 GMT

#654

Is there a date for when new invites are going to be send?

Probemicro

3708 Posts

May 23 2016 01:06 GMT

#655

On May 23 2016 09:13 f10eqq wrote:
No racepicking imo- maybe more foreigners will finally learn mirror matchups.

you can talk about "manning up" or whatever, but truth is in the current scene everyone that now still plays BW do it pretty much for fun, theres no incentive for anyone to be professionally competitive anymore unlike sc2 (even the incentive of the latter is poor in itself anyway..)

so people should be given racepick options and not be forced to play something they don't like.

Hesmyrr

Canada5776 Posts

May 23 2016 01:13 GMT

#656

Yeah, if it's not too difficult to implement, I think racepick system suggested above would be important in maintaining the server population.