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On January 16 2016 16:02 Falling wrote:
Furthermore, even when SC2 was at its height, Tasteless was trying BW side projects, casting with Jason on old BW games. I'm not sure why it wasn't more publicized at the time as it got linked to us after it got closed down. However, it seems to me that BW never truly left the heart of Tasteless and I'm glad to see him back.
where do u find news about this? were any vods published?
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Canada11375 Posts
Unfortunately Arirang TV took down their entire archive. You could still view them in 2011, but by 2013 it was all gone
Tasteless and Jason Lee casting BW on Arirang TV
This was the original thread that brought our attention to it with one video that got uploaded to youtube, but that's the only surviving piece it seems.  Really too bad.
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I don't care about tasteless/artosis, and I actually like bisudagger/amazingxkcd. Meh, maybe I'll actually skip this one.
Would be really sad if BD/Amazing retired
Please no, I love your cast!
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I really like that those guys gonna cast it. Xkcd has the best voice on the planet, but both seem to have d-level understanding of the game and that really hurts their cast. Meanwhile tasteless talks about bw in pretty much every single one of his sc2 casts and both were passionate about bw to an admireable degree.
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On January 14 2016 13:43 rabidch wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2016 11:35 NiGoL wrote:On January 14 2016 08:43 Freezard wrote:On January 14 2016 08:30 NiGoL wrote:On January 14 2016 08:22 Freezard wrote:
Haven't watched BW since it all died off, would defo watch BW again if Tasteless and/or Artosis returns. Tried to find VODs for the VNSL tournament that is going on currently but there doesn't seem to be any small VOD thread like there used to be. Anyway, I don't care much about SC2 anymore, I only watch the really big events and even then I mostly have it on in the background... it just never was as exciting to watch (or play) as BW was. Hopefully BW can return once LotV fades off and the modern BW version is released. I've been talking to a few pros and they think that LotV is way better than the previous expansion. It's fast paced and everything is just better. But the fact that sc2 imo is a very bad game compared to broodwar might be enough for LotV to die as a game. Just watch the viewers count on twitch and it says a lot. even tho it might get higher with LotV. I have watched some LotV and yes it's definitely an improvement, but like you said I think it's a little bit too late. SC2 is still SC2 and LotV is what it should have been on release (many pros also said this). I like that LotV is more micro oriented because that's the fun part when it comes to spectating, although it's still just a group of units vs another group of units with some shooting back and forth. It's not impossible that BW returns because BW died because of SC2, and if SC2 dies... well, why not bring back the game whose scene just abruptly ended? Of course I'm talking about some kind of HD version of BW being released as well for it to happen, it wouldn't be the first time people go back to an old game that was modernized. On January 14 2016 08:38 tanngard wrote:On January 14 2016 08:22 Freezard wrote:
Haven't watched BW since it all died off, would defo watch BW again if Tasteless and/or Artosis returns. Tried to find VODs for the VNSL tournament that is going on currently but there doesn't seem to be any small VOD thread like there used to be. Anyway, I don't care much about SC2 anymore, I only watch the really big events and even then I mostly have it on in the background... it just never was as exciting to watch (or play) as BW was. Hopefully BW can return once LotV fades off and the modern BW version is released. No small VOD thread? Just look at the tournament section and you will find small VOD thread 2.0. We got everything on there. Ah thanks! I've been away too long from these forums, I was looking in the general thread  Now I'll watch some BW for sure, especially since I saw Bisu was playing :D HD version of BW? You mean some type of BW Remake or a new expansion with better graphics and same playstyle? Yeah if that happens IT MIGHT happen. But they haven't announced anything close to that happening. Yes BW died because SC2 was released. Also because BW foreign scene had almost no competitive tournaments left except teamliquids own tournament. Which affects every pro player to play this game. No money no motivation anymore. The thing that made BW so good even before the money came to the scene was that people played it with passion/love for the game. StarCraft2 never had that because it started with tournament winnings/salaries and streaming. The passion is not there anymore for people who played BW. The only reason pros would pick BW over any popular game these days if the game was PUMPED with money and tournaments offline/online and companies supporting . I can't see that happening at all. And another type of BW coming out wont happen either, I'm pretty sure of that. And i think i read some statement from the blizzard employees that it wont. I'm not 100% sure of this but I think I've seen it somewhere before SC2 came out. People still love BW and plays it occasionally under smurf nicks. agree that bw for foreigners is dead. an hd remake would be awesome but i dont have faith in blizzard to pull it off correctly (unless theres a lot of positive signs with overwatch). another hope would be a fan clone but that would defend on blizzard holding back their legal power
Odds are a BW remake would be fantastic, but the question/problem, what audience would it be made for? A perfect 1:1 remake would turn off a lot of people who are used to the quality of life features from Warcraft III and SC2. Plus, any small bug or AI behavior they would or could change, no matter how small, would turn off most of the classic BW audience , and if you're going to turn off the BW audience you might as well make appeal to the mainstream audience. And at that point it's an abomination in your eyes. There's too many Catch 22s with every decision.
On January 14 2016 08:35 amazingxkcd wrote:
haha people clamoring for tasteless and artosis to cast brood war. I'm all for more interest into brood war but now me and bisudagger got stiff competition to prove that we are the better casting archon :D
That's the spirit!
On January 13 2016 21:58 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2016 21:50 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:On January 13 2016 21:23 BisuDagger wrote:
If they return, I'll retire as a caster. There's really no point in casting anymore if they come back. I've casted the game the past 4 years because I love the game and did this with a full time job. To them, casting is a full time job and another way for them to make money. I can't and won't compete with that. it doesnt make any sense.should we all retire cuz old school players re coming back ? I'd focus more on writing news article and helping with foreign BW events to be honest. But my casting schedule is best fit for korean tournaments because I can cast from 4am-8am and then go in to work. edit: To add perspective, I get paid for afreecaTV. Yes, I finally get paid for casting BW. This is the equivalent to you winning the TLS/TLC. Except for me, if I cast past 7am I've actually lost money at this point cause it cuts into my work hours. There is the potential I actually lost $150-$200 a week depending on how long a cast goes and if I don't get the opportunity to work a 42+ hour work week to recoup the cost. So since the start of VNSL I've lost close to $800 just to cast this league. Which, who cares about the money, I get to cast VNSL! Look, my perspective is entirely selfish. Tastosis returning to Brood War would be amazing for the scene. I would welcome them and offer them any help I could and their return is probably one of the best things possible. But for me personally, it just really really sucks.
Eh, that's awsome that your passion to quantifiable. But I would honestly hold off on the retirement. Tasteless and Artosis are known to never cast anything for free. and I highly doubt, even if you got a decent viewing, it's worth paying for. Well.... I could at least imagine them casting like Ro8 and beyond. But there's going to be plenty of Brood War that will be need to be casted!!
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Everyone thank you for your support the past few pages. I just want everyone to know while I am upset with how things transpired my first few posts were really extreme. I want you to know I have no plans to retire. I stuck with Brood War through Savior match fixing, Kespa to SC2, and Bisu retiring. Life is all about how we handle adversity. Unfortunately I handled it really poorly, but here's our opportunity to do better. AmazingXKCD and are more motivated then ever to grow our knowledge of Starcraft and improve as casters. We will never stop finding tournaments to cast be it KSL, SSL, 41SL, TTSL, KCM LM, or PianoSL, there's truly more SC1 then we can keep up with. So despite all the negative, after this post let's sweep everything bad under the rug.
As far as Tastosis is concerned, let's not say anything else bad about Tasteless and Artosis. They are caster professionals. Watching their vods is a great way for XKCD and I to see what about their cast worked well so we can improve ours. Also, they are just out right good people. Regardless of where the passion lies, not person who knows them walks around saying their arrogant punks. They are legit caring and want the best for competitive gaming.
Secondly, let's not take it out on Afreeca either. Sometimes a situation bears forgiving even without the full story. We cannot give you that full store, but Mr. Chae is a standup guy and Afreeca had treated us extremely well from start to end. If we want AfreecaTV to have money to sponsor more VNSL's and make a site that can be coded on to TL, then we need as much support as possible. So fill out those surveys! :D
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On January 16 2016 10:43 Probemicro wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2016 10:18 feckless wrote:On January 16 2016 09:44 Befree wrote:
Hopefully just a vocal minority here with the bitterness. Ridiculous reactions from some people.
Wonderful news people have been asking for for 6 years. Clearly a positive step forward for Brood War. It will surely bring back some viewers who had left long ago.
edit: But wow did Wolf seem to not remotely comprehend the importance of what Tasteless was saying during that announcement. He interrupted him to read a sign in the crowd lol. Here's how I see it: we have two amazing members of the BW community who have contributed and put time in an otherwise "dead game" (as many call it). Seems to me that strengthening the existing, and die-hard, community of fans was reward in itself. But they get an even bigger reward when they finally got hired on to cast a the premier BW tournament. Now, I don't know what the terms of the contract were and all the goings-on behind-the-scenes, but I'm going to assume that they were hired to cast the entire tournament. Then suddenly, two other guys, the "big dogs", come calling around. These are two guys who left BW for the "greener pastures" of SC2. On the other hand, it seems to be pretty clear how passionate BD/xkcd are. But the "big dogs" are, well, the "big dogs". So they unceremoniously kick out the guys they originally hired and then bring in the "big dogs" to cast the last few matches? What the hell is that? To me it seems very distasteful (tasteless, even). From a strictly business and/or professional point-of-view, it seems very unsavory. This is regardless of casting quality. I apologize in advance if you think that that is a "ridiculous reaction". Also, I'm not saying it's not a "positive step" for BW. But some people need to take this in stride. Will they stick around? Will they cast these last few matches and then go away again? Will the people who "return" to watch BW stick around, as well? Or are they just following the casters? On the other side, I have no doubt that BD/xkcd are going to stick around. finally a sensible post not to mention a certain "big dog" has even dissed BW, on tumblr (lol) of all places, of how sc2 is more "strategically" better than BW. so i guess now hes gonna a 180 on this cast and call BW beautiful and best game of all time. superficial sellout guy through and through. bandwagon-ners will still lap it up all the same.
so if he sincerely thinks SC2 has more strategy to it - then what? Do we not "allow" that? How ridiculous is that? Don't create drama where there's none. Besides, who knows if there's gonna be another proper Starleague (Yellow is our last hope now without Sonic and LoveTV) and I'd much rather see the last big Broodwar match casted by Tastosis, because let's be honest - Tastosis are miles ahead of BD/xkcd when it comes to casting.
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On January 16 2016 21:46 BisuDagger wrote: Everyone thank you for your support the past few pages. I just want everyone to know while I am upset with how things transpired my first few posts were really extreme. I want you to know I have no plans to retire. I stuck with Brood War through Savior match fixing, Kespa to SC2, and Bisu retiring. Life is all about how we handle adversity. Unfortunately I handled it really poorly, but here's our opportunity to do better. AmazingXKCD and are more motivated then ever to grow our knowledge of Starcraft and improve as casters. We will never stop finding tournaments to cast be it KSL, SSL, 41SL, TTSL, KCM LM, or PianoSL, there's truly more SC1 then we can keep up with. So despite all the negative, after this post let's sweep everything bad under the rug. As far as Tastosis is concerned, let's not say anything else bad about Tasteless and Artosis. They are caster professionals. Watching their vods is a great way for XKCD and I to see what about their cast worked well so we can improve ours. Also, they are just out right good people. Regardless of where the passion lies, not person who knows them walks around saying their arrogant punks. They are legit caring and want the best for competitive gaming. Secondly, let's not take it out on Afreeca either. Sometimes a situation bears forgiving even without the full story. We cannot give you that full store, but Mr. Chae is a standup guy and Afreeca had treated us extremely well from start to end. If we want AfreecaTV to have money to sponsor more VNSL's and make a site that can be coded on to TL, then we need as much support as possible. So fill out those surveys! :D https://twitter.com/PatrickWitte/status/688342804771270656
well said, im glad you see it that way now Patrick. If you run out of quality korean tours to cast, we have some slots open for you when it comes to foreign broodwar (;
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On January 16 2016 13:39 Probemicro wrote:
btw true fans won't mind BW staying "pure and small", BW is a old 16+ years old game, nobody has any expectations that this game will become massive anymore.
If you are trying to say, that "true fans" are happy with having Broodwar slowly die off because we reject people from the outside such as Tastosis for prior casting Sc2, then: sorry no that's utter nonsense. Think about it, why do you think people who actively contribute a lot and put in a lot of work like staff people on TL, ICCup, editors on Liquipedia, Casters like BD&XKCD do that? For their own ego or for some misjudged form of "purity"? No. We do it coz we want the game to do well, even in 2016, coz we want it to be awesome and attractive to many fans.
If Broodwar (very unrealistic) get's back into a place, where we have professionalism, i'd gladly drop my Pen and Microphone and focus on just being a fan. And i'd give no second thought about the "purity" of Tastosis or whoever. What an absurd term to begin with! I have sympathy for BD&XKCD being treated in an unfair way in this, but i have no sympathy for people who hate on BW's chance to get more exposure, when it means drawing professionals in like Tastosis. It's unhealthy for or scene and not the way to go.
Let's be open and happy about this, let us embrace our moment in the spotlight.
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Im willing to bet there is going to be an exchange that will go something like this ....
Tasteless: You know zvz is known to be a very volatile matchup in BW, it really is almost coin flippy at times.
Artosis: Indeed Tasteless, that was the case for a very long time, and then of course Jaedong came along and showed people how to play this match up and how to be dominant at it
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50586 Posts
On January 16 2016 23:37 CrayonPopChoa wrote:
Im willing to bet there is going to be an exchange that will go something like this ....
Tasteless: You know zvz is known to be a very volatile matchup in BW, it really is almost coin flippy at times.
Artosis: Indeed Tasteless, that was the case for a very long time, and then of course Jaedong came along and showed people how to play this match up and how to be dominant at it
I think we could make a drinking game off this kind of stuff.
Take a shot every time artosis brings up his media days.
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Actually I'm excited to watch a ZvZ again in BW, it was one of my favorite matchups. On the other hand I absolutely hate ZvZ in SC2 - watching Roaches shoot at other Roaches is as boring as it gets. I take BW ling vs ling and muta/scourge vs muta battles any day.
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Kids, kids, let's just all agree that both BW and SC2 ZvZ is just awful, awful stuff
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@cele "won't mind" is not the same as "strongly encourage". and nowhere in any posts i mention i strongly oppose tastosis casting, merely voiced some criticism. but i guess their fanboys are coming out now, no negative feedback or opinions allowed!!! ok fine fine.
do you do your work to attract all the LoL fans over? dota2 fans? some of these people would might vomit at the instant sight of aged graphics and refuse to play? or balk at how they can only control 12 units and have to manually click on units to cast spells? when tastosis cast how many people would actually switch over and stick around? only a tiny percent would. just being realistic its a aged RTS its not gonna ever blow up and become the next LoL/Dota, you must be high if you think something really significant will happen (also read your banned compatriot gecko final post too, a very nice true passion post and
relevant)
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Extremely relevant:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/7aYD16F.png)
WILL WE LET THIS HAPPEN AGAIN?! /s
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true, zero did to get RELATIVELY more games to hive.
hope we get one.
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On January 17 2016 00:26 Heartland wrote:
Kids, kids, let's just all agree that both BW and SC2 ZvZ is just awful, awful stuff
i like bw zvz (
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