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On January 16 2016 17:41 molotow[eef] wrote:
I really like that those guys gonna cast it. Xkcd has the best voice on the planet, but both seem to have d-level understanding of the game and that really hurts their cast. Meanwhile tasteless talks about bw in pretty much every single one of his sc2 casts and both were passionate about bw to an admireable degree.
I have to agree with most of this. My opinions on people's voices aside, it is an inescapable fact that XKCD and BisuDagger are not strong players and more importantly never have been so their understanding is limited. This is true even when comparing with Tasteless/Artosis who have not been a "part of the scene" in years, as many people noted. This is part of the reason why I prefer Korean casts, despite not knowing any Korean - sometimes, the things said by lower-skilled players is just jarring. Also, Korean casters like Kim Carrier have made a legitimate professional career out of their voice and energy, as have Tasteless and Artosis; from what I know, this is not true for any other current English casters. XKCD and BisuDagger are probably students or people with other lives and careers. Let the casters cast, and any hype or exposure that brings to BW, all the better.
From what I understand of the situation, I can fully understand how it is hurtful to BD and XKCD, and for that I'm sorry. I know you guys will keep doing what you love, regardless of what anyone says in this thread or elsewhere, and that's a great thing. Keep your chin up. Also, glad to hear AfreecaTV treated you well despite appearances in this situation.
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On January 16 2016 12:45 Probemicro wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2016 12:33 Chef wrote:
but don't disrespect Tasteless and Artosis either just because they did SC2 for a number of years. its not because they "did sc2 for a number of years". Its about how this issue is ...unprofessionally handled. BD/xkcd volunteering on the basis of being promised exclusive casting rights to the whole of the tourney in the beginning and then halfway through, suddenly being chucked to one corner for the big dogs. no one in bd/xkcd shoes would not be pissed by that. and also no matter how much they seem dedicated or passionate towards BW in the past, its plain obvious their current casting quality and passion have declined, with one even lashing out on tumblr about "strategically sc2>BW yo"! then out of the blue they barge in to cast the BW semi/finals that have been promised to some other duo, because, $$$. (i really love that your posts mostly seem to dwell in the past and almost completely ignore the present) yeah thats respect all right.
Where are you getting this idea that they were promised exclusive rights? Using the word 'right' here at all is incorrect, because that implies a contract which if it were broken would have real repercussions. It's hard to take your word for it when BisuDagger's first two posts in this thread do not mention anything about that. That would seem to be pertinent information, but what he's saying is he gets some Afreeca money, which could mean a number of things.
I'm so mad at you if all these two were told was that they have permission to cast and re-stream the games. And that is really the sound of it, with the relatively playful response by xkcd on page 2, despite the temporary meltdown BisuDagger had (which was so 'you don't have to make that decision now dude!' but understandable as an initial reaction).
And if that's the case, then put together a thread to shit on Vant, because that has nothing to do with Tastosis. But get some basis for these accusations, there's no discussion if we can't agree on the premise. I'll agree it's shady if someone told them they can be the only English casters allowed, but I have a hard time imagining they'd have any reason to say that to some amateurs doing it for fun. That's far out bizarre and a mistake if they did.
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I'm really glad Bisudagger had a change of heart/mind. BW is growing and there's plenty of opportunity to cast games.
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On January 17 2016 06:23 Chef wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2016 12:45 Probemicro wrote:On January 16 2016 12:33 Chef wrote:
but don't disrespect Tasteless and Artosis either just because they did SC2 for a number of years. its not because they "did sc2 for a number of years". Its about how this issue is ...unprofessionally handled. BD/xkcd volunteering on the basis of being promised exclusive casting rights to the whole of the tourney in the beginning and then halfway through, suddenly being chucked to one corner for the big dogs. no one in bd/xkcd shoes would not be pissed by that. and also no matter how much they seem dedicated or passionate towards BW in the past, its plain obvious their current casting quality and passion have declined, with one even lashing out on tumblr about "strategically sc2>BW yo"! then out of the blue they barge in to cast the BW semi/finals that have been promised to some other duo, because, $$$. (i really love that your posts mostly seem to dwell in the past and almost completely ignore the present) yeah thats respect all right. Where are you getting this idea that they were promised exclusive rights? Using the word 'right' here at all is incorrect, because that implies a contract which if it were broken would have real repercussions. It's hard to take your word for it when BisuDagger's first two posts in this thread do not mention anything about that. That would seem to be pertinent information, but what he's saying is he gets some Afreeca money, which could mean a number of things. I'm so mad at you if all these two were told was that they have permission to cast and re-stream the games. And that is really the sound of it, with the relatively playful response by xkcd on page 2, despite the temporary meltdown BisuDagger had (which was so 'you don't have to make that decision now dude!' but understandable as an initial reaction). And if that's the case, then put together a thread to shit on Vant, because that has nothing to do with Tastosis. But get some basis for these accusations, there's no discussion if we can't agree on the premise. I'll agree it's shady if someone told them they can be the only English casters allowed, but I have a hard time imagining they'd have any reason to say that to some amateurs doing it for fun. That's far out bizarre and a mistake if they did.
We are paid as professional casters. Hence the NDA and we cannot discuss this any further. There may be a time down the road where we can clear this up, until then accusations toward anyone are best left out.
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On January 17 2016 03:46 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2016 17:41 molotow[eef] wrote:
I really like that those guys gonna cast it. Xkcd has the best voice on the planet, but both seem to have d-level understanding of the game and that really hurts their cast. Meanwhile tasteless talks about bw in pretty much every single one of his sc2 casts and both were passionate about bw to an admireable degree. I have to agree with most of this. My opinions on people's voices aside, it is an inescapable fact that XKCD and BisuDagger are not strong players and more importantly never have been so their understanding is limited. This is true even when comparing with Tasteless/Artosis who have not been a "part of the scene" in years, as many people noted. This is part of the reason why I prefer Korean casts, despite not knowing any Korean - sometimes, the things said by lower-skilled players is just jarring. Also, Korean casters like Kim Carrier have made a legitimate professional career out of their voice and energy, as have Tasteless and Artosis; from what I know, this is not true for any other current English casters. XKCD and BisuDagger are probably students or people with other lives and careers. Let the casters cast, and any hype or exposure that brings to BW, all the better. From what I understand of the situation, I can fully understand how it is hurtful to BD and XKCD, and for that I'm sorry. I know you guys will keep doing what you love, regardless of what anyone says in this thread or elsewhere, and that's a great thing. Keep your chin up. Also, glad to hear AfreecaTV treated you well despite appearances in this situation. I'm hyped for some Brood War, I don't know about all of you
First of all: Some "D/C-Level" understand the game pretty well but can't put time into the game to get their mechanics up. They won't know little details for most of the timings but a lot can be learned by just obeserving pro games if the person has an analytical type of mind.
Aside from that, I think what you said about xkcd and BD is true. However, I don't know why you think this will be any better with Tastosis. Especially Tasteless has never been known as the guy with a good understanding of the game, neither in SC2 nor in BW.
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On January 17 2016 01:06 Probemicro wrote:
@cele "won't mind" is not the same as "strongly encourage". and nowhere in any posts i mention i strongly oppose tastosis casting, merely voiced some criticism. but i guess their fanboys are coming out now, no negative feedback or opinions allowed!!! ok fine fine.
do you do your work to attract all the LoL fans over? dota2 fans? some of these people would might vomit at the instant sight of aged graphics and refuse to play? or balk at how they can only control 12 units and have to manually click on units to cast spells? when tastosis cast how many people would actually switch over and stick around? only a tiny percent would. just being realistic its a aged RTS its not gonna ever blow up and become the next LoL/Dota, you must be high if you think something really significant will happen (also read your banned compatriot gecko final post too, a very nice true passion post and
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i don't imagine BW to be the next CS:GO, Lol or Dota 2. But a server where i log on with 200 viewers playing (iCCUP) needs every fresh face it can get. And i've seen a couple new faces in the last year, mostly people dissatisfied with how sc2 developed who were looking for a good RTS. So yeah i have moderate hope, that some more people might BW give a try, though i agree with you the aged graphics are a big deterrent to many.
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The original gods cast the game that started it all, of course, it'll be fun!
BisuDagger and amazingxkcd, your efforts are appreciated, not forgotten.
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I've listened to BD and axkcd, you guys are awesome but can't deny I'm super stoked to see Tastosis on BW... :D I just wish Tastosis could have casted that FvJ game on Tau cross in WCG...
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On January 17 2016 07:19 Miragee wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2016 03:46 Jealous wrote:On January 16 2016 17:41 molotow[eef] wrote:
I really like that those guys gonna cast it. Xkcd has the best voice on the planet, but both seem to have d-level understanding of the game and that really hurts their cast. Meanwhile tasteless talks about bw in pretty much every single one of his sc2 casts and both were passionate about bw to an admireable degree. I have to agree with most of this. My opinions on people's voices aside, it is an inescapable fact that XKCD and BisuDagger are not strong players and more importantly never have been so their understanding is limited. This is true even when comparing with Tasteless/Artosis who have not been a "part of the scene" in years, as many people noted. This is part of the reason why I prefer Korean casts, despite not knowing any Korean - sometimes, the things said by lower-skilled players is just jarring. Also, Korean casters like Kim Carrier have made a legitimate professional career out of their voice and energy, as have Tasteless and Artosis; from what I know, this is not true for any other current English casters. XKCD and BisuDagger are probably students or people with other lives and careers. Let the casters cast, and any hype or exposure that brings to BW, all the better. From what I understand of the situation, I can fully understand how it is hurtful to BD and XKCD, and for that I'm sorry. I know you guys will keep doing what you love, regardless of what anyone says in this thread or elsewhere, and that's a great thing. Keep your chin up. Also, glad to hear AfreecaTV treated you well despite appearances in this situation. I'm hyped for some Brood War, I don't know about all of you First of all: Some "D/C-Level" understand the game pretty well but can't put time into the game to get their mechanics up. They won't know little details for most of the timings but a lot can be learned by just obeserving pro games if the person has an analytical type of mind. Aside from that, I think what you said about xkcd and BD is true. However, I don't know why you think this will be any better with Tastosis. Especially Tasteless has never been known as the guy with a good understanding of the game, neither in SC2 nor in BW.
i agree. Understanding the game and being able to execute it on a higher level are two different things. I'd never turn down the opinion of an good player on ingame stuff, but stating that "you are a noob -> you don't get the game" is also an oversimplification.
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On January 17 2016 03:46 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2016 17:41 molotow[eef] wrote:
I really like that those guys gonna cast it. Xkcd has the best voice on the planet, but both seem to have d-level understanding of the game and that really hurts their cast. Meanwhile tasteless talks about bw in pretty much every single one of his sc2 casts and both were passionate about bw to an admireable degree. I have to agree with most of this. My opinions on people's voices aside, it is an inescapable fact that XKCD and BisuDagger are not strong players and more importantly never have been so their understanding is limited. This is true even when comparing with Tasteless/Artosis who have not been a "part of the scene" in years, as many people noted. This is part of the reason why I prefer Korean casts, despite not knowing any Korean - sometimes, the things said by lower-skilled players is just jarring. Also, Korean casters like Kim Carrier have made a legitimate professional career out of their voice and energy, as have Tasteless and Artosis; from what I know, this is not true for any other current English casters. XKCD and BisuDagger are probably students or people with other lives and careers. Let the casters cast, and any hype or exposure that brings to BW, all the better. From what I understand of the situation, I can fully understand how it is hurtful to BD and XKCD, and for that I'm sorry. I know you guys will keep doing what you love, regardless of what anyone says in this thread or elsewhere, and that's a great thing. Keep your chin up. Also, glad to hear AfreecaTV treated you well despite appearances in this situation. I'm hyped for some Brood War, I don't know about all of you
your idea that a D level player has no insight on the game is just plain wrong. I'm sorry if I seem a bit upset by your comment but it's because I am. Many people consistently go off on myself, xkcd, and bisudagger simply because we aren't the best players. Being good at the game =/= understanding the game. Sure, it helps to be good because you obviously know the intricacies by nature, since that's kind of what you need to be good. But at the same time, there are bad players (such as myself), who aren't good at the game, but I understand the intricacies to the game. Which is why we do analysis instead of playing.
Take for example League of Legends. Montecristo isn't a good player by any means. He's like Plat on Korean servers so not very good. But he's arguably one of the best analysts that League has. But people don't talk about how shit Monte is and how it hurts him. Don't bash on their commentary because you have this notion that D levels don't know the game. I've casted with both, and both have good understanding of the game.
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Some Korean casters are not good players either...
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As much as it pains me that our close knit broodwar scene is expanding to the point where it needs to make cold, professional calculated decisions like upending BisuDagger for more mainstream casters, I can't help but feel super hyped about the casting Archon finally returning to Broodwar. Nerdchills, as they would say.
I have much sympathy for BisuDagger and xkcd. I also try to make creative content on the side while also maintaining a full time job, and I know how difficult it can be. The sacrifices you have to make sometimes. And maybe because of that they were physically unable to match the production quality that the whole GOM team can bring (sometimes). I can only hope broodwar expands to the point where it can support 2 teams of professional casters instead of it just being something that'll split the community.
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Hey Bisudagger, how supportive/FURIOUS would the missus be, if you quit the programming career and decides to go to Korea to live the e-sports life?
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On January 18 2016 17:30 lestye wrote:
Hey Bisudagger, how supportive/FURIOUS would the missus be, if you quit the programming career and decides to go to Korea to live the e-sports life?
First they'd have to pay me better the Boeing. :D
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On January 18 2016 18:07 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2016 17:30 lestye wrote:
Hey Bisudagger, how supportive/FURIOUS would the missus be, if you quit the programming career and decides to go to Korea to live the e-sports life? First they'd have to pay me better the Boeing. :D
You wouldn't do it for the money! The passion!
Then again....with military industrial complex money.... yeah.... How passionate can I possibly expect a human to be.
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On January 18 2016 18:07 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2016 17:30 lestye wrote:
Hey Bisudagger, how supportive/FURIOUS would the missus be, if you quit the programming career and decides to go to Korea to live the e-sports life? First they'd have to pay me better the Boeing. :D
Hey I work at Boeing too. Did they transfer you to South Carolina as well.
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On January 18 2016 18:34 Arkaim wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2016 18:07 BisuDagger wrote:On January 18 2016 17:30 lestye wrote:
Hey Bisudagger, how supportive/FURIOUS would the missus be, if you quit the programming career and decides to go to Korea to live the e-sports life? First they'd have to pay me better the Boeing. :D Hey I work at Boeing too. Did they transfer you to South Carolina as well.
I work on simulation projects for the 737NG, MAX, and 787 at the moment down in Jacksonville, Fl.
On January 18 2016 18:13 lestye wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2016 18:07 BisuDagger wrote:On January 18 2016 17:30 lestye wrote:
Hey Bisudagger, how supportive/FURIOUS would the missus be, if you quit the programming career and decides to go to Korea to live the e-sports life? First they'd have to pay me better the Boeing. :D You wouldn't do it for the money! The passion! Then again....with military industrial complex money.... yeah.... How passionate can I possibly expect a human to be.
Haha, gotta do it for the money if I want to self-support my casting lol. Plus if I save enough I can just re-invest it into the foreign scene which is always the pipe-dream.
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tbh bisudagger and xkcd should have finished the remaining tour, I mean, it's ot cool to change the casters just before the climax!
edit: Oh there's actually two streams and four english casters, awesome!
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