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Heartland
Sweden24578 Posts
Tasteless and Artosis will cast remaining semi-final and finals of VNSL. Tasteless said today that Afreeca is considering letting him and Artosis cast BW live. He encouraged people to tweet to @AfreecaTV_GL in order to show the interest in the English speaking world for this. So... do it! :D Poll: Would you watch Tasteless cast BW in English? Yes (863) No (62) 925 total votes Your vote: Would you watch Tasteless cast BW in English? 
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6504 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
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Endymion
United States3701 Posts
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RoomOfMush
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More english BW <=> More good times! | ||
FlaShFTW
United States10059 Posts
On January 13 2016 19:51 BLinD-RawR wrote: wait what? what about XKCD and BD? yeah i hope they keep those two on the team and maybe do a swap per day and stuff. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49507 Posts
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Endymion
United States3701 Posts
On January 13 2016 19:56 BLinD-RawR wrote: doesn't tasteless play on fish from time to time? he used to stream it, but it would be impossible to tell if you were playing him since he has a korean ip and speaks korean (i think?? i would assume he does by now) | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6192 Posts
On January 13 2016 19:52 Endymion wrote: didnt artosis say that sc2 was more strategically deep than scbw? lmfao, i hope tasteless comes back but tbh artosis just jumps where the money is... afreeca should get little 작은 수지 instead, if she wants to come back... Artosis said on GSL that he's still passionate about BW. On stream he said he'd want to stream BW as well but was waiting for GTR I think to set it up. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49507 Posts
On January 13 2016 20:07 RvB wrote: Artosis said on GSL that he's still passionate about BW. On stream he said he'd want to stream BW as well but was waiting for GTR I think to set it up. this is the first I'm hearing of this, got a source of that? | ||
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Essbee
Canada2371 Posts
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coolprogrammingstuff
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Piste
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49507 Posts
On January 13 2016 20:52 Piste wrote: Would be sick to hear tasteless+artosis combo on bw again, but I hope BD and xkcd finishes the ongoing Vant league.. because that would confirm another season right?  | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19158 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + If they return, I'll retire as a caster. There's really no point in casting anymore if they come back. I've casted the game the past 4 years because I love the game and did this with a full time job. To them, casting is a full time job and another way for them to make money. I can't and won't compete with that. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6504 Posts
On January 13 2016 21:23 BisuDagger wrote: If they return, I'll retire as a caster. There's really no point in casting anymore if they come back. I've casted the game the past 4 years because I love the game and did this with a full time job. To them, casting is a full time job and another way for them to make money. I can't and won't compete with that. it doesnt make any sense.should we all retire cuz old school players re coming back ? | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19158 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On January 13 2016 21:50 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: it doesnt make any sense.should we all retire cuz old school players re coming back ? I'd focus more on writing news article and helping with foreign BW events to be honest. But my casting schedule is best fit for korean tournaments because I can cast from 4am-8am and then go in to work. edit: To add perspective, I get paid for afreecaTV. Yes, I finally get paid for casting BW. This is the equivalent to you winning the TLS/TLC. Except for me, if I cast past 7am I've actually lost money at this point cause it cuts into my work hours. There is the potential I actually lost $150-$200 a week depending on how long a cast goes and if I don't get the opportunity to work a 42+ hour work week to recoup the cost. So since the start of VNSL I've lost close to $800 just to cast this league. Which, who cares about the money, I get to cast VNSL! Look, my perspective is entirely selfish. Tastosis returning to Brood War would be amazing for the scene. I would welcome them and offer them any help I could and their return is probably one of the best things possible. But for me personally, it just really really sucks. | ||
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DwD
Sweden8621 Posts
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seom
South Africa491 Posts
On January 13 2016 22:09 DwD wrote: Damn I wish BW would make a full blown comeback, daily broadcasts with a top league and sponsored teams. I'll watch the shit out of this if it happens. the dream | ||
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deus_073
Romania187 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49507 Posts
1 like....liked by tasteless! | ||
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Garrl
Scotland1970 Posts
but yea, would love to see the return, just hope its noticed if it is. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/288482-tasteless-and-jason-lee-casting-bw-on-arirang-tv | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24578 Posts
On January 13 2016 23:14 BLinD-RawR wrote: https://twitter.com/BLinDRawR/status/687226106236125184 1 like....liked by tasteless! haha omg | ||
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StarscreamG1
Portugal1652 Posts
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DeadMet
Sweden19 Posts
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Assault_1
Canada1950 Posts
On January 13 2016 23:58 StarscreamG1 wrote: I'm a broodwar die-hard fan, but if they could put the rally mining and the unlimited units/buildings control groups I think that wouldn't harm the classic players, and could increase a lot of newcomers that aren't enjoying SC2 anymore. no, go away | ||
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rebuffering
Canada2436 Posts
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riotjune
United States3392 Posts
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Lucumo
6850 Posts
Yep, that would be awful. | ||
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HyralGambit
2439 Posts
On January 14 2016 02:12 Lucumo wrote: The poll only says Tasteless, so that's a "yes". Yep, that would be awful. Very awful indeed. Pretty interesting turn of events. Maybe Afreeca will be more willing than OGN. | ||
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MaestroSC
United States2073 Posts
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iamho
United States3345 Posts
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iSometric
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Atom[Bomb]
Sweden108 Posts
I'd watch for sure. | ||
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Kittan
Poland3999 Posts
On January 13 2016 23:14 BLinD-RawR wrote: https://twitter.com/BLinDRawR/status/687226106236125184 1 like....liked by tasteless! You just won xD | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24578 Posts
how many Won? | ||
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purakushi
United States3300 Posts
SoonTM I wish. | ||
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Ghardo
Germany1685 Posts
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mca64Launcher_
Poland629 Posts
Draco vs Midas from WCG 2006 | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24578 Posts
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NiGoL
1868 Posts
 I could ask nick if he wants to do something on BW again he follows me on twitter. I doubt he will tho. | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10059 Posts
On January 13 2016 21:23 BisuDagger wrote: If they return, I'll retire as a caster. There's really no point in casting anymore if they come back. I've casted the game the past 4 years because I love the game and did this with a full time job. To them, casting is a full time job and another way for them to make money. I can't and won't compete with that. i wouldnt want you to leave :c you're practically my mentor/brother when i came onto the staff and tried to get me to cast more games and such. I would hate to see you retire. Maybe we can just do our stupid sc2 LotV casts and do some unofficial BW re-broadcasts or such. | ||
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duke91
Germany1458 Posts
On January 13 2016 19:52 Endymion wrote: didnt artosis say that sc2 was more strategically deep than scbw? lmfao, i hope tasteless comes back but tbh artosis just jumps where the money is... afreeca should get little 작은 수지 instead, if she wants to come back... typical instance of absolute vs comparative advantage. SC2 is comparatively more strategy focused, but BW is still strategically deeper. It is just that BW is even more mechanically demanding than strategically demanding. Doesn't imply that SC2 is more strategically demanding, but just more focused on that given its very weak demands on mechanics. | ||
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FFGenerations
7088 Posts
are kiantes casts all lost? nothing comes up here http://www.twitch.tv/kiante/profile ok there is some stuff under Highlights tab there are lots of games here https://www.youtube.com/user/TorenhireStarleague/videos is there gem league vods anywhere? or was gem league a 1 off thing | ||
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Miragee
8434 Posts
On January 14 2016 06:29 duke91 wrote: typical instance of absolute vs comparative advantage. SC2 is comparatively more strategy focused, but BW is still strategically deeper. It is just that BW is even more mechanically demanding than strategically demanding. Doesn't imply that SC2 is more strategically demanding, but just more focused on that given its very weak demands on mechanics. lol, this is very well formulated and on point. It's also the first time I read this in precise words like this and I'm here for quite a while now... On January 14 2016 06:34 FFGenerations wrote: i love kiante casts did he do anything in the last X years? are kiantes casts all lost? nothing comes up here http://www.twitch.tv/kiante/profile Yeah, Kiante is awesome! :D | ||
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plogamer
Canada3132 Posts
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
On January 13 2016 21:58 BisuDagger wrote: I'd focus more on writing news article and helping with foreign BW events to be honest. But my casting schedule is best fit for korean tournaments because I can cast from 4am-8am and then go in to work. edit: To add perspective, I get paid for afreecaTV. Yes, I finally get paid for casting BW. This is the equivalent to you winning the TLS/TLC. Except for me, if I cast past 7am I've actually lost money at this point cause it cuts into my work hours. There is the potential I actually lost $150-$200 a week depending on how long a cast goes and if I don't get the opportunity to work a 42+ hour work week to recoup the cost. So since the start of VNSL I've lost close to $800 just to cast this league. Which, who cares about the money, I get to cast VNSL! Look, my perspective is entirely selfish. Tastosis returning to Brood War would be amazing for the scene. I would welcome them and offer them any help I could and their return is probably one of the best things possible. But for me personally, it just really really sucks. Eh? Noway they'll cast all BW events! | ||
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Freezard
Sweden1005 Posts
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NiGoL
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On January 14 2016 08:22 Freezard wrote: Haven't watched BW since it all died off, would defo watch BW again if Tasteless and/or Artosis returns. Tried to find VODs for the VNSL tournament that is going on currently but there doesn't seem to be any small VOD thread like there used to be. Anyway, I don't care much about SC2 anymore, I only watch the really big events and even then I mostly have it on in the background... it just never was as exciting to watch (or play) as BW was. Hopefully BW can return once LotV fades off and the modern BW version is released. I've been talking to a few pros and they think that LotV is way better than the previous expansion. It's fast paced and everything is just better. But the fact that sc2 imo is a very bad game compared to broodwar might be enough for LotV to die as a game. Just watch the viewers count on twitch and it says a lot. even tho it might get higher with LotV. But people coming back to broodwar playing seriously/competitively wont ever happen. At least not for the foreign scene. Companies wont spend 1 cent on a game that has been dead for so many years now. And the amount of work and motivation the players need to make for this game to be competitive/active again is too much of a struggle. So even tho people love broodwar it wont be like it was years ago. Sorry to break it down to you. Well if "EVERY" big streamer came back and streamed BW on a daily basis that would help tho, but since the SC2 viewers count has been extremely low compared to the big games it wont do much i think. | ||
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DanceSC
United States751 Posts
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amazingxkcd
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Tufas
Austria2259 Posts
1) Are they good at liquibet (50+ right now) 2) Has tasteless finally found out what a "group" of Mutalisk is called (is it a flock ?? a gaggle ???) 3) Is SDM coming back 4) When are they starting 5) Why haven't they started already | ||
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tanngard
Norway1325 Posts
On January 14 2016 08:22 Freezard wrote: Haven't watched BW since it all died off, would defo watch BW again if Tasteless and/or Artosis returns. Tried to find VODs for the VNSL tournament that is going on currently but there doesn't seem to be any small VOD thread like there used to be. Anyway, I don't care much about SC2 anymore, I only watch the really big events and even then I mostly have it on in the background... it just never was as exciting to watch (or play) as BW was. Hopefully BW can return once LotV fades off and the modern BW version is released. No small VOD thread? Just look at the tournament section and you will find small VOD thread 2.0. We got everything on there. | ||
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Freezard
Sweden1005 Posts
On January 14 2016 08:30 NiGoL wrote: I've been talking to a few pros and they think that LotV is way better than the previous expansion. It's fast paced and everything is just better. But the fact that sc2 imo is a very bad game compared to broodwar might be enough for LotV to die as a game. Just watch the viewers count on twitch and it says a lot. even tho it might get higher with LotV. I have watched some LotV and yes it's definitely an improvement, but like you said I think it's a little bit too late. SC2 is still SC2 and LotV is what it should have been on release (many pros also said this). I like that LotV is more micro oriented because that's the fun part when it comes to spectating, although it's still just a group of units vs another group of units with some shooting back and forth. It's not impossible that BW returns because BW died because of SC2, and if SC2 dies... well, why not bring back the game whose scene just abruptly ended? Of course I'm talking about some kind of HD version of BW being released as well for it to happen, it wouldn't be the first time people go back to an old game that was modernized. On January 14 2016 08:38 tanngard wrote: No small VOD thread? Just look at the tournament section and you will find small VOD thread 2.0. We got everything on there. Ah thanks! I've been away too long from these forums, I was looking in the general thread  Now I'll watch some BW for sure, especially since I saw Bisu was playing :D | ||
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Boundz(DarKo)
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
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NiGoL
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On January 14 2016 08:43 Freezard wrote: I have watched some LotV and yes it's definitely an improvement, but like you said I think it's a little bit too late. SC2 is still SC2 and LotV is what it should have been on release (many pros also said this). I like that LotV is more micro oriented because that's the fun part when it comes to spectating, although it's still just a group of units vs another group of units with some shooting back and forth. It's not impossible that BW returns because BW died because of SC2, and if SC2 dies... well, why not bring back the game whose scene just abruptly ended? Of course I'm talking about some kind of HD version of BW being released as well for it to happen, it wouldn't be the first time people go back to an old game that was modernized. Ah thanks! I've been away too long from these forums, I was looking in the general thread Now I'll watch some BW for sure, especially since I saw Bisu was playing :DHD version of BW? You mean some type of BW Remake or a new expansion with better graphics and same playstyle? Yeah if that happens IT MIGHT happen. But they haven't announced anything close to that happening. Yes BW died because SC2 was released. Also because BW foreign scene had almost no competitive tournaments left except teamliquids own tournament. Which affects every pro player to play this game. No money no motivation anymore. The thing that made BW so good even before the money came to the scene was that people played it with passion/love for the game. StarCraft2 never had that because it started with tournament winnings/salaries and streaming. The passion is not there anymore for people who played BW. The only reason pros would pick BW over any popular game these days if the game was PUMPED with money and tournaments offline/online and companies supporting . I can't see that happening at all. And another type of BW coming out wont happen either, I'm pretty sure of that. And i think i read some statement from the blizzard employees that it wont. I'm not 100% sure of this but I think I've seen it somewhere before SC2 came out. People still love BW and plays it occasionally under smurf nicks. | ||
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Monochromatic
United States990 Posts
The first issue I have is that I don;t understand how things work. A good caster can fix this problem for me. The second problem is the low quality in many older vods. New casts would fix this problem. I'd love it if Tasteless started casting BW, if only because it would introduce me to the game. | ||
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NiGoL
1868 Posts
On January 14 2016 12:05 Monochromatic wrote: I'd love for tasteless to cast BW. I'd love to start watching the game, but there a couple things that have kept holding me back. The first issue I have is that I don;t understand how things work. A good caster can fix this problem for me. The second problem is the low quality in many older vods. New casts would fix this problem. I'd love it if Tasteless started casting BW, if only because it would introduce me to the game. Well i don't think there is any company that would pay Tasteless what he gets from casting SC2. That's the problem. Also he wouldn't cast a game that is already dead sadly ;_; That's what i think. | ||
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ggsimida
1125 Posts
ignore the game that started your career is disrespect imo ^ ^ especially dan... | ||
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rabidch
United States20288 Posts
On January 14 2016 11:35 NiGoL wrote: HD version of BW? You mean some type of BW Remake or a new expansion with better graphics and same playstyle? Yeah if that happens IT MIGHT happen. But they haven't announced anything close to that happening. Yes BW died because SC2 was released. Also because BW foreign scene had almost no competitive tournaments left except teamliquids own tournament. Which affects every pro player to play this game. No money no motivation anymore. The thing that made BW so good even before the money came to the scene was that people played it with passion/love for the game. StarCraft2 never had that because it started with tournament winnings/salaries and streaming. The passion is not there anymore for people who played BW. The only reason pros would pick BW over any popular game these days if the game was PUMPED with money and tournaments offline/online and companies supporting . I can't see that happening at all. And another type of BW coming out wont happen either, I'm pretty sure of that. And i think i read some statement from the blizzard employees that it wont. I'm not 100% sure of this but I think I've seen it somewhere before SC2 came out. People still love BW and plays it occasionally under smurf nicks. agree that bw for foreigners is dead. an hd remake would be awesome but i dont have faith in blizzard to pull it off correctly (unless theres a lot of positive signs with overwatch). another hope would be a fan clone but that would defend on blizzard holding back their legal power | ||
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dRaW
Canada5744 Posts
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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
On January 14 2016 01:56 riotjune wrote: Brood War HD? Yes, that'd be so awesome. Not increased area you can see, leave all game mechanics unchanged, just higher resolution sprites. Someone would have to actually do the new sprites though... Would add sooo much to the spectator experience. Right now sc:bw kindof hurts my eyes as I am used to more modern games. :/ Anyway it'd be really cool with some tastosis casting, and I'd happily return to watch a bit. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On January 13 2016 21:58 BisuDagger wrote: I'd focus more on writing news article and helping with foreign BW events to be honest. But my casting schedule is best fit for korean tournaments because I can cast from 4am-8am and then go in to work. edit: To add perspective, I get paid for afreecaTV. Yes, I finally get paid for casting BW. This is the equivalent to you winning the TLS/TLC. Except for me, if I cast past 7am I've actually lost money at this point cause it cuts into my work hours. There is the potential I actually lost $150-$200 a week depending on how long a cast goes and if I don't get the opportunity to work a 42+ hour work week to recoup the cost. So since the start of VNSL I've lost close to $800 just to cast this league. Which, who cares about the money, I get to cast VNSL! Look, my perspective is entirely selfish. Tastosis returning to Brood War would be amazing for the scene. I would welcome them and offer them any help I could and their return is probably one of the best things possible. But for me personally, it just really really sucks. You get paid now ? Really ? Congrats man ! Oh and don't give up if they come back. They are on contract for GSL and SSL (oh ! :p S2SL. Bw forum sorry  ).So it would mainlly be a one time thing or something like that. | ||
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BisuDagger
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palexhur
Colombia730 Posts
On January 13 2016 19:52 Endymion wrote: didnt artosis say that sc2 was more strategically deep than scbw? lmfao, i hope tasteless comes back but tbh artosis just jumps where the money is... afreeca should get little 작은 수지 instead, if she wants to come back... Well Artosis has to protect his income, is like one friend of mine who has been hired like for 5 different insurance companies in my country, anytime he is in a new one, he says to everybody that the actual is the best lol, you know he receives compensation bonus in his executive job, so it is the way to go. | ||
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NiGoL
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Esp1noza
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aRyuujin
United States5049 Posts
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
On January 15 2016 04:59 aRyuujin wrote: Like everyone I love tasteless but his sc2 casts are these days kind of lazy and I think the nostalgia may not be enough for his casts to be enjoyable now especially because he will be very outdated in terms of knowledge about the scene... Also I love amazingxkcd I love you too man <3 | ||
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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
On January 15 2016 04:59 aRyuujin wrote: Like everyone I love tasteless but his sc2 casts are these days kind of lazy and I think the nostalgia may not be enough for his casts to be enjoyable now especially because he will be very outdated in terms of knowledge about the scene... Also I love amazingxkcd Seeing how tasteless spends most of the time casting talking about game of thrones or pokemon, I don't think it should be a problem that he isn't up to date with BW. But yeah, I agree that the casts are lazy. Doesn't seem like they are watching the game always. If he comes to cast bw and does the usual story of not talking about the game I'll be disappointed. :/On the discussion about the current bw casters: I haven't really watched much sc:bw after hybrid proleague, can someone point me to some of the best (English cast) games to watch in recent time? Maybe the current sc:bw casters are following the game rather than pokemon? | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On January 15 2016 09:50 Cascade wrote: Seeing how tasteless spends most of the time casting talking about game of thrones or pokemon, I don't think it should be a problem that he isn't up to date with BW. But yeah, I agree that the casts are lazy. Doesn't seem like they are watching the game always. If he comes to cast bw and does the usual story of not talking about the game I'll be disappointed. :/On the discussion about the current bw casters: I haven't really watched much sc:bw after hybrid proleague, can someone point me to some of the best (English cast) games to watch in recent time? Maybe the current sc:bw casters are following the game rather than pokemon? Best option to see the current best casters is to watch the TLC casts or VANT ones in the small vod thread in BW tournaments section. | ||
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
On January 15 2016 09:54 BigFan wrote: Best option to see the current best casters is to watch the TLC casts or VANT ones in the small vod thread in BW tournaments section. you can also check out ICCup BW TV, Tournaments and showmatches casted, such as ICCup A/B Tours, End Season Tours, C -OSL 6, ESPB Nation Wars. | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19158 Posts
On January 15 2016 09:54 BigFan wrote: Best option to see the current best casters is to watch the TLC casts or VANT ones in the small vod thread in BW tournaments section. Here watch todays match: http://afreeca.tv/36846806/v/20598 Crank the volume as we had some sound issues to start off. We had a great cast though once the ball got rolling. :D | ||
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HerbMon
United States459 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
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GTR
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I'm on friendly terms with both Artosis and Tasteless, and I think the guys at Afreeca like me so its a chance I could make this a proper gig. Honestly its just a question of waiting and seeing now. | ||
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Heartland
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aike
United States1629 Posts
On January 15 2016 13:16 BLinD-RawR wrote: I wonder how many people voting here have listened to the existing english cast or have known of it, I mean I even made a feedback thread for it. I know of it and I watch every now and then, but seeing tasteless cast BW again would definitely make me want to watch more. He's what got me watching in the first place back in like 2007. Solo or with any co-caster he is just amazing, his excitement is contagious and his stories and jokes to fill the time are superb. The only thing that would make this better is if SuperDanielMan came back | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6192 Posts
edit: He said a semifinals + finals so I assume it's VANT starleague. | ||
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ClysmiC
United States2192 Posts
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Heartland
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49507 Posts
On January 15 2016 20:14 Heartland wrote: and with we I mean me. Bow down before your king peasants! good, now do me a favor and advertise our VNSL preview on the other side. | ||
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Duckvillelol
Australia1228 Posts
On January 15 2016 20:16 BLinD-RawR wrote: good, now do me a favor and advertise our VNSL preview on the other side. Just doing this on my Twitter, I'll also put up a few other posts Great preview | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24578 Posts
On January 15 2016 20:16 BLinD-RawR wrote: good, now do me a favor and advertise our VNSL preview on the other side. On the other side? | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19158 Posts
On January 15 2016 20:14 Heartland wrote: and with we I mean me. Bow down before your king peasants! 1. This thread and your tweets had no impact. This decision was actually made some time before this and I cannot discuss the details. 2. This could possibly mean that XKCD and I will not be able to return as casters for this tournament. Your loyalty here is to a brand instead of to people who are passionate about the game. It's completely a sellout. The conditions for them even getting to cast the last two games is disgusting and entirely unfair. I can't discuss what transgressed as long as I'm employed by Afeeca, but will make it clear they are a top notch company and their staff have been amazing throughout this situation. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49507 Posts
sc2 side, for those interested. | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24578 Posts
On January 15 2016 20:37 BisuDagger wrote: 1. This thread and your tweets had no impact. This decision was actually made some time before this and I cannot discuss the details. 2. This could possibly mean that XKCD and I will not be able to return as casters for this tournament. You're loyalty here is to a brand instead of to people who are passionate about the game. It's completely a sellout. The conditions for them even getting to cast the last two games is disgusting and entirely unfair. I can't discuss what transgressed as long as I'm employed by Afeeca, but will make it clear they are a top notch company and their staff have been amazing throughout this situation. I am really sorry if this caused you issues. It was never my intention :/ | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49507 Posts
On January 15 2016 20:43 Heartland wrote: I am really sorry if this caused you issues. It was never my intention :/ nah hes saying this was going to happen regardless if you made this thread or not. | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24578 Posts
On January 15 2016 20:46 BLinD-RawR wrote: nah hes saying this was going to happen regardless if you made this thread or not. Ah yeah. I am just being silly (with the bow down post, not with being sorry for any problems I might have caused) | ||
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Probemicro
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On January 15 2016 20:14 Heartland wrote: and with we I mean me. Bow down before your king peasants! I put bisudagger and amazingxck out of their jobs.  nice manners there attention seeker. | ||
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Duckvillelol
Australia1228 Posts
On January 15 2016 20:49 Probemicro wrote: is this just tasteless himself casting? nice manners there attention seeker. Tasteless just confirmed a little bit ago on the GSL stream that Artosis will be joining him. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6504 Posts
On January 15 2016 20:49 Probemicro wrote: is this just tasteless himself casting? nice manners there attention seeker. you are so sensitive,are you chinese ? i heard avengers 2 didnt had good numbers in China cuz all the bad mouth.and you always acting like the pope except when someone talk bad about your koreans .User was warned for this post | ||
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Probemicro
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On January 15 2016 20:51 Duckvillelol wrote: Tasteless just confirmed a little bit ago on the GSL stream that Artosis will be joining him. ah thanks. (since the OP title didnt mention artosis in the first place...) | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On January 15 2016 20:48 Duckvillelol wrote: So is it confirmed that it's VNSL though? Isn't it finishing up this weekend? Tasteless specifically said "next week"? Yes, on the 18th to be exact. | ||
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Duckvillelol
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Ahh okay - the dates on the Liquipedia for the finals must be wrong then. So I'm guessing the 3rd place match and grand final will be on the same day yeah? I can't see dates anywhere at the moment. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On January 15 2016 21:05 Duckvillelol wrote: Ahh okay - the dates on the Liquipedia for the finals must be wrong then. So I'm guessing the 3rd place match and grand final will be on the same day yeah? I can't see dates anywhere at the moment. its effort vs zero on Monday and then the finals on the 23rd | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19158 Posts
On January 15 2016 21:05 Duckvillelol wrote: Ahh okay - the dates on the Liquipedia for the finals must be wrong then. So I'm guessing the 3rd place match and grand final will be on the same day yeah? I can't see dates anywhere at the moment. The next semifinals match is next Monday. On Thursday the 3rd/4th place match will be played.. The Saturday following will be the finals.Tasteless and Artosis will be casting the semifinals and the finals, but not the third place match. On January 15 2016 20:43 Heartland wrote: I am really sorry if this caused you issues. It was never my intention :/ This thread caused me a hell out a lot of stress, but again, this is a situation that can't be controlled. Let me just put it this way, someone out there is forcing me to share what I consider the epitome of my involvement with Brood War. The only people I want to share this moment with is my co-caster AmazingXKCD and the small and incredibly hard working Brood War Staff. | ||
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Liquid`Zephyr
United States996 Posts
ill be tuning in for the first time in a few years with some friends and am v excited | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19158 Posts
On January 15 2016 21:37 Liquid`Zephyr wrote: ^its cool what youve done for the bw community and sry you got bone, really, but calling people who are coming back to bw fair weather fans, or for the first time in a while because of tastosis feels myopic, insulting and borderline obnoxious ill be tuning in for the first time in a few years with some friends and am v excited I take good advice when I see it. I fixed my post. I more meant, there are many people who actually helped contribute to the scene and get me to a point where I could professionally cast a tournament of this level. And I would gladly share the spotlight with any of them over two casters who have contributed nothing for the past 4-5 years. | ||
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hifriend
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mikedebo
Canada4341 Posts
On January 15 2016 21:49 BisuDagger wrote: I take good advice when I see it. I fixed my post. I more meant, there are many people who actually helped contribute to the scene and get me to a point where I could professionally cast a tournament of this level. And I would gladly share the spotlight with any of them over two casters who have contributed nothing for the past 4-5 years. Maybe we should instead consider that there probably wouldn't have been an english bw scene at all in the first place to draw a legacy from if it wasn't for them. Alternately, having the casting archon involved in this may give you and your co-casters a lot more attention and opportunity than what you had previously. Anyways I'm happy this thread exists because I didn't know any of this stuff was happening at all. Are there VODs of old matches so that I can try to catch up before this happens? | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On January 15 2016 22:49 mikedebo wrote: Maybe we should instead consider that there probably wouldn't have been an english bw scene at all in the first place to draw a legacy from if it wasn't for them. Alternately, having the casting archon involved in this may give you and your co-casters a lot more attention and opportunity than what you had previously. Anyways I'm happy this thread exists because I didn't know any of this stuff was happening at all. Are there VODs of old matches so that I can try to catch up before this happens? he specifically said over the last 5 years, but I see your point, although its pretty frustrating from his point of view too, you give your all to this league even for the sub 100 viewers that they got and then at the last minute get taken over by the big dogs. but you're right they could totally get more attention from this. | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19158 Posts
On January 15 2016 22:49 mikedebo wrote: Maybe we should instead consider that there probably wouldn't have been an english bw scene at all in the first place to draw a legacy from if it wasn't for them. Alternately, having the casting archon involved in this may give you and your co-casters a lot more attention and opportunity than what you had previously. Anyways I'm happy this thread exists because I didn't know any of this stuff was happening at all. Are there VODs of old matches so that I can try to catch up before this happens? I agree 100%. This would be the most awesome thing ever if they were announced the casters at the beginning of the tournament. But the difference is, we applied and we hired on as paid casters. We have been doing this cast since October. Now just two games left and we have to share this experience with them? It's like asking a player to share their 1st place trophy with someone else. I really want to be happy that Brood War is getting enough attention to bring back guys who contributed so much to building the international community and in fact I really am. But my pride has really been kicked to the curb because of how this transpired. | ||
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Zera
Lithuania716 Posts
On January 15 2016 21:20 BisuDagger wrote: The next semifinals match is next Tuesday. On Thursday the 3rd/4th place match will be played.. The Saturday following will be the finals.Tasteless and Artosis will be casting the semifinals and the finals, but not the third place match. Isn't it the next Monday?? Still hope to see your "boing boing" on camera. You promised!! | ||
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BisuDagger
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On January 15 2016 23:01 Zera wrote: Isn't it the next Monday?? Still hope to see your "boing boing" on camera. You promised!! Yes! Edited above post. And I will "boing" regardless of surveys filled out :D | ||
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amazingxkcd
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iloveav
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On January 15 2016 23:20 amazingxkcd wrote: guess the cat is out of the bag now. Me and bisudagger will still be casting so we still enjoy all the viewers that tune in to watch some epic brood war. Im not out of the bag dude, I love the bag! | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On January 15 2016 23:52 iloveav wrote: Im not out of the bag dude, I love the bag! oh you. | ||
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NiGoL
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also: https://twitter.com/CallMeTasteless/status/688011414276038656 and: https://twitter.com/CallMeTasteless/status/688011717067059201 I guess hes doing some casting for the BW community | ||
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amazingxkcd
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On January 15 2016 23:59 NiGoL wrote: https://twitter.com/CallMeTasteless/status/688012081891786753 also: https://twitter.com/CallMeTasteless/status/688011414276038656 and: https://twitter.com/CallMeTasteless/status/688011717067059201 I guess hes doing some casting for the BW community Fear mongering much? | ||
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Freezard
Sweden1005 Posts
On January 15 2016 22:58 BisuDagger wrote: I agree 100%. This would be the most awesome thing ever if they were announced the casters at the beginning of the tournament. But the difference is, we applied and we hired on as paid casters. We have been doing this cast since October. Now just two games left and we have to share this experience with them? It's like asking a player to share their 1st place trophy with someone else. I really want to be happy that Brood War is getting enough attention to bring back guys who contributed so much to building the international community and in fact I really am. But my pride has really been kicked to the curb because of how this transpired. It's not like this is something uncommon in casting. It happens in sports all the time that former professionals makes guest appearances at semi-finals/finals in tournaments and also in games, just look at the EU tournaments in Melee which were casted by "unknown" EU casters as well but then the star US casters took over when top 8 came around. You're talking as if Tasteless and Artosis would take over the whole BW scene when probably they'll only cast these games and that's it, it's not the end of your career. Tasteless was the one who actually got me interested in BW back when he casted WCG 2006, not only watching but he got me playing the game as well, and I know he did the same for a ton of other people. I have never heard you cast or anything but you're saying that you're happy about BW getting more attention but from your posts it's pretty obvious that you're not; you're selfish and you keep posting about a personal problem that isn't even shared with the community, because I'm sorry to tell you but the community wanted Tasteless and Artosis back to cast and that's what they got. I probably sound like an angry man but your posts are very disrespectful to the people who got me into the scene and have done a ton of work and that makes me upset. | ||
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Ribbon
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On January 15 2016 21:49 BisuDagger wrote: I take good advice when I see it. I fixed my post. I more meant, there are many people who actually helped contribute to the scene and get me to a point where I could professionally cast a tournament of this level. And I would gladly share the spotlight with any of them over two casters who have contributed nothing for the past 4-5 years. This is kind of the discussion the SC2 community had after LotV came out and all the SC2 people came running back from Hearthstone/Heroes of the Storm. I get why it chafes, but Artosis/Tasteless are big name casters, and having them be the casters for the English BW stream will draw more viewers than people who are mostly known in the BW scene. Brood War fans will watch Brood War regardless, but Tasteless and Artosis can bring in dozens, maybe hundreds of new viewers, some of whom will fall in love and stick around. That's nothing but good for the scene. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On January 16 2016 00:20 Freezard wrote: It's not like this is something uncommon in casting. It happens in sports all the time that former professionals makes guest appearances at semi-finals/finals in tournaments and also in games, just look at the EU tournaments in Melee which were casted by "unknown" EU casters as well but then the star US casters took over when top 8 came around. You're talking as if Tasteless and Artosis would take over the whole BW scene when probably they'll only cast these games and that's it, it's not the end of your career. Tasteless was the one who actually got me interested in BW back when he casted WCG 2006, not only watching but he got me playing the game as well, and I know he did the same for a ton of other people. I have never heard you cast or anything but you're saying that you're happy about BW getting more attention but from your posts it's pretty obvious that you're not; you're selfish and you keep posting about a personal problem that isn't even shared with the community, because I'm sorry to tell you but the community wanted Tasteless and Artosis back to cast and that's what they got. I probably sound like an angry man but your posts are very disrespectful to the people who got me into the scene and have done a ton of work and that makes me upset. actually he is happy and at the same time bitter about it, lets face it, BW is not a very popular game outside of korea, so any opportunity to promote it is going to make us happy even at some sacrifice, but thats kinda the point, sacrifice hurts, you're gonna wince in pain. it sounds selfish, but I guess they can be a little selfish considering the work they put in even if a lot of it went unnoticed. but regardless they still get to cast so if you're interested do catch their stream too. | ||
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Zera
Lithuania716 Posts
On January 16 2016 00:20 Freezard wrote: It's not like this is something uncommon in casting. It happens in sports all the time that former professionals makes guest appearances at semi-finals/finals in tournaments and also in games, just look at the EU tournaments in Melee which were casted by "unknown" EU casters as well but then the star US casters took over when top 8 came around. You're talking as if Tasteless and Artosis would take over the whole BW scene when probably they'll only cast these games and that's it, it's not the end of your career. Tasteless was the one who actually got me interested in BW back when he casted WCG 2006, not only watching but he got me playing the game as well, and I know he did the same for a ton of other people. I have never heard you cast or anything but you're saying that you're happy about BW getting more attention but from your posts it's pretty obvious that you're not; you're selfish and you keep posting about a personal problem that isn't even shared with the community, because I'm sorry to tell you but the community wanted Tasteless and Artosis back to cast and that's what they got. I probably sound like an angry man but your posts are very disrespectful to the people who got me into the scene and have done a ton of work and that makes me upset. You see, those star apperances are normaly discussed at the start of the season so it's not like a thunderstrike from a clear sky (native idiom). So I completely understand why that makes BD upset. As for upcoming cast- quality over quantity for me. They better be well prepared for the cast and I hope we won't be hearing "spine crawlers" throughout the games. | ||
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GeckoXp
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On January 16 2016 00:20 Freezard wrote: [...] but you're saying that you're happy about BW getting more attention but from your posts it's pretty obvious that you're not; you're selfish and you keep posting about a personal problem that isn't even shared with the community, because I'm sorry to tell you but the community wanted Tasteless and Artosis back to cast and that's what they got. I probably sound like an angry man but your posts are very disrespectful to the people who got me into the scene and have done a ton of work and that makes me upset. Regardless of what I think of BD's attitude about this and that, I can fully understand where he comes from, can respect him for being somewhat bitter, whereas you are the perfect symbol for everything that made most fan pages unreadable, unenjoyable and created an atmosphere of super hyped up artificial bullshit everytime a glimpse from the past is being discussed. Let's get a few things clear: I respect Artosis, I loved Tasteless back in the day, but they're gone. They're not around anymore. I don't mind them being back every once and again, and I don't think they are to blame. People like you on the other hand are. I don't give a rat's ass about "the community" and "the attention BW now gets". You follow two somewhat known people, that's it. You won't stick around for the leagues, you won't regularly turn in, you won't donate any money, you won't do jack shit to help Brood War, and - most importantly - you won't play the game. All you will do is sit down, participate in a discussion you do not belong in and go after a comment you know was written with emotions boiling over slightly. It was by no means disrespectful or coming from some outsider, but someone who faces a shitty situation, someone who at least tries to do some shit. He wasn't even being insulting. Again, I'm not anti-tasteless or oldschoolers, I'm against pathetic morons following them into our forums, where they feel entitled to press their crap opinions about how sisisisisiserious esportzzzz should work. If you would really care, like really, I would listen to you. But you don't, you'll be gone soon enough. Hence, keep your head up BD/XKCD, hf to those who'll enjoy the two hours of tasteless. To all hype trainer kids: go fuck yourselves. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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sabas123
Netherlands3122 Posts
On January 16 2016 00:20 Freezard wrote: you're selfish and you keep posting about a personal problem that isn't even shared with the community Why do you shit talk one of the biggest contributers to this forum as if he cannot state his reasons why he stopped doing things that lost him quite a bit of money?????? | ||
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iamho
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BLinD-RawR
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On January 16 2016 02:06 iamho wrote: First cast is ZvZ Yeah but its ZerO's ZvZ there potential for hive tech. | ||
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neptunusfisk
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Let's hope tasteless also does a good job so we all, hopefully you too, can enjoy watching the matches. | ||
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Freezard
Sweden1005 Posts
On January 16 2016 01:56 sabas123 wrote: Why do you shit talk one of the biggest contributers to this forum as if he cannot state his reasons why he stopped doing things that lost him quite a bit of money?????? Uh in what way am I shit talking him? If anything he is shit talking Tasteless/Artosis, saying they're only following the calls of the $$$. The last 4 pages I've read him (and his co-commentator) complain and post how bad this is for him, being bitter is fine but it's a personal problem that doesn't belong in this thread since this thread is about Tasteless coming back to cast BW and all he's been spreading is a negative tone to the whole thing. | ||
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ReMinD_
Croatia846 Posts
I'd watch Tastosis cast The Flowers of Robert Mapplethorpe for CD-i. | ||
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palexhur
Colombia730 Posts
On January 16 2016 02:11 Freezard wrote: Uh in what way am I shit talking him? If anything he is shit talking Tasteless/Artosis, saying they're only following the calls of the $$$. The last 4 pages I've read him (and his co-commentator) complain and post how bad this is for him, being bitter is fine but it's a personal problem that doesn't belong in this thread since this thread is about Tasteless coming back to cast BW and all he's been spreading is a negative tone to the whole thing. Well they are not coming back for the good will of BW only for sure. | ||
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iamho
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On January 16 2016 02:09 BLinD-RawR wrote: Yeah but its ZerO's ZvZ there potential for hive tech. Honestly, I've always thought hive tech ZvZ was pretty boring. Usually its both players turtling in base until one game ending engagement. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On January 16 2016 02:11 Freezard wrote: Uh in what way am I shit talking him? If anything he is shit talking Tasteless/Artosis, saying they're only following the calls of the $$$. The last 4 pages I've read him (and his co-commentator) complain and post how bad this is for him, being bitter is fine but it's a personal problem that doesn't belong in this thread since this thread is about Tasteless coming back to cast BW and all he's been spreading is a negative tone to the whole thing. Who said this was about money, this has nothing to do with money | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49507 Posts
On January 16 2016 02:18 iamho wrote: Honestly, I've always thought hive tech ZvZ was pretty boring. Usually its both players turtling in base until one game ending engagement. Then you've never seen ZerO vs great on Triathlon | ||
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
On January 16 2016 02:11 Freezard wrote: Uh in what way am I shit talking him? If anything he is shit talking Tasteless/Artosis, saying they're only following the calls of the $$$. The last 4 pages I've read him (and his co-commentator) complain and post how bad this is for him, being bitter is fine but it's a personal problem that doesn't belong in this thread since this thread is about Tasteless coming back to cast BW and all he's been spreading is a negative tone to the whole thing. I haven't said anything negative about this but I do admit that BD is quite affected by this. Now, I have my personal opinions but ultimately, this will net more viewers for Brood War and that's something that we all want to achieve together. | ||
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Kau
Canada3500 Posts
On January 16 2016 01:30 GeckoXp wrote: [...]People like you on the other hand are. I don't give a rat's ass about "the community" and "the attention BW now gets". You follow two somewhat known people, that's it. You won't stick around for the leagues, you won't regularly turn in, you won't donate any money, you won't do jack shit to help Brood War, and - most importantly - you won't play the game. All you will do is sit down, participate in a discussion you do not belong in and go after a comment you know was written with emotions boiling over slightly. It was by no means disrespectful or coming from some outsider, but someone who faces a shitty situation, someone who at least tries to do some shit. He wasn't even being insulting. Again, I'm not anti-tasteless or oldschoolers, I'm against pathetic morons following them into our forums, where they feel entitled to press their crap opinions about how sisisisisiserious esportzzzz should work. If you would really care, like really, I would listen to you. But you don't, you'll be gone soon enough. Hence, keep your head up BD/XKCD, hf to those who'll enjoy the two hours of tasteless. To all hype trainer kids: go fuck yourselves. How do you know he doesn't care about the community and the attention BW now gets? How do you know he won't play the game? Do you know how much time he has spent on the campaign? How can you say he doesn't belong in the discussion? If anyone is being disrespectful in this thread, it is you gecko. | ||
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iamho
United States3345 Posts
On January 16 2016 02:22 BLinD-RawR wrote: Then you've never seen ZerO vs great on Triathlon Watching it now, thanks for the rec + Show Spoiler + | ||
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On January 16 2016 02:38 iamho wrote: Watching it now, thanks for the rec + Show Spoiler + https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHqtmfIdmvE Hah they played again on the same map the next MSL too, which went to hive tech, but not as good a game as that one. Early to mid 2011 is what brought the hive tech hype. | ||
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e. Blind as a bat English will be on Jan 18 (Monday) at 19:00 KST | ||
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BisuDagger
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On January 16 2016 02:43 BLinD-RawR wrote: Hah they played again on the same map the next MSL too, which went to hive tech, but not as good a game as that one. Early to mid 2011 is what brought the hive tech hype. Honestly, a great person that discusses Hive ZvZ is Tasteless's bro Day9. He has a really good daily that breaks it down from sunken placements to late game upgrades. Its a really good watch. I'd link it but his vods are down. Blind-rawr is currently seeding the torrent for anyone hoping to learn more. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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www.afreeca.tv/NSL2 for tastosis Taken from chars post on reddit. | ||
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On January 16 2016 02:50 BisuDagger wrote: Honestly, a great person that discusses Hive ZvZ is Tasteless's bro Day9. He has a really good daily that breaks it down from sunken placements to late game upgrades. Its a really good watch. I'd link it but his vods are down. Blind-rawr is currently seeding the torrent for anyone hoping to learn more. The specific daily is #36 ZerO vs Type-b on match point And match point is in the pool for the tournament | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19158 Posts
On January 16 2016 02:54 BLinD-RawR wrote: The specific daily is #36 ZerO vs Type-b on match point And match point is in the pool for the tournament Which is quite cool cause we even saw at the start of this tournament a ZvZ on match point with a proxy hatchery in the opponents base. And July proxied on Fighting Spirit in the Ro16. The ZvZ's have not disappointed. | ||
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amazingxkcd
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On January 16 2016 02:58 BisuDagger wrote: Which is quite cool cause we even saw at the start of this tournament a ZvZ on match point with a proxy hatchery in the opponents base. And July proxied on Fighting Spirit in the Ro16. The ZvZ's have not disappointed. B-Dog had potential man :/. But the proxy hatchey was a thing of genius by july if only he accounted for overlord scouting patterns :D | ||
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On January 16 2016 03:03 nighcol wrote: One thing I've been wondering about is why the english stream for VNSL has never seemed to be in the TL stream list. Will Tastosis be? I'd imagine so... Due to Afreeca API issues it can not be on there. Its a coding issue that's being worked on. | ||
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
On January 16 2016 03:03 nighcol wrote: One thing I've been wondering about is why the english stream for VNSL has never seemed to be in the TL stream list. Will Tastosis be? I'd imagine so... afreecaTV global doesn't have a public API for TL to hook into. That is being worked on at the moment. Unfortunately, their stream alongside ours won't be tagged on the sidebar. You will have to go to the LR to see the stream links. Other option is signing up and follow the streams and get some balloons to go boing boing! | ||
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On January 16 2016 03:03 nighcol wrote: One thing I've been wondering about is why the english stream for VNSL has never seemed to be in the TL stream list. Will Tastosis be? I'd imagine so... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/website-feedback/498556-afreecatv-support Should answer your question, hopefully soon. | ||
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BisuDagger
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On January 16 2016 03:00 amazingxkcd wrote: B-Dog had potential man :/. But the proxy hatchey was a thing of genius by july if only he accounted for overlord scouting patterns :D That's a good point and something we should account for from Zero. During the KSL last year, In his kwanro versus zero series he 4 pooled with a 2-0 lead. I wouldn't be surprised if he got a lead and went for a similar strategy to July *pending map pool*. Honestly, Efforts best chance will be to end with lings in they was kwanro did. | ||
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At least the overall reception seems positive. I'm excited for this and hope it becomes a thing in a big way. Also at the risk of coming across as a bellend, BisuDagger your frustration, while not unreasonable, is very unsightly in this thread. I get how you must feel, and I get that maybe having respect for two legendary pillars of the community might not be your highest priority right now, but did you seriously, one hundred percent go into this expecting to do well despite being a super niche fucking thing? And also, it feels like a cop out to say this *now* but I'm pretty sure this has been in the works for a long time. At least I know Tasteless has been trying to do something like this for a couple of years. But yea feel free to respond or not, judging by the tone and entitlement of most of your posts in this thread, I will likely not argue any further, I feel like I've made my point. Not everyone can make a living doing what they love, even less so when it's this niche, so any entitlement just seems naive and severely lacking in foresight on your part. But whatever, I'm not here to judge some random dude's life, I'm here because I'm excited to see Tasteless casting BW again. ^^ | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19158 Posts
On January 16 2016 03:29 207aicila wrote: It's so surreal to me that five years ago people would have kissed the ground Tasteless walked on and now almost half the posts in this thread are so very negative and bitter even though it's very likely the man has more passion left for BW than SC2... admittedly half those posts are by like three people but still. At least the overall reception seems positive. I'm excited for this and hope it becomes a thing in a big way. Also at the risk of coming across as a bellend, BisuDagger your frustration, while not unreasonable, is very unsightly in this thread. I get how you must feel, and I get that maybe having respect for two legendary pillars of the community might not be your highest priority right now, but did you seriously, one hundred percent go into this expecting to do well despite being a super niche fucking thing? And also, it feels like a cop out to say this *now* but I'm pretty sure this has been in the works for a long time. At least I know Tasteless has been trying to do something like this for a couple of years. But yea feel free to respond or not, judging by the tone and entitlement of most of your posts in this thread, I will likely not argue any further, I feel like I've made my point. Not everyone can make a living doing what they love, even less so when it's this niche, so any entitlement just seems naive and severely lacking in foresight on your part. But whatever, I'm not here to judge some random dude's life, I'm here because I'm excited to see Tasteless casting BW again. ^^ I'm really sorry I come off in such a manner. I was hoping, by changing my posting tone it would show that I was past the negativity from earlier. That being said I will address you as best I can: Did you seriously, one hundred percent go into this expecting to do well despite being a super niche fucking thing? I work hard at everything I do in life and hope that because of this things will go well for me. I will agree that I am niche, but let's be honest Brood War is nearly 20 years old. It's a niche game with a small and fantastic community that I've been blessed to be a part of for nearly a decade. I've also been casting games for free for 4 years now, and when I finally got a paid opportunity I took as serious as my job at Boeing. I'm pretty sure this has been in the works for a long time. That is a false assumption. When afreeca hired XKCD and I on as casters, it was with the intent that we would be the sole casters for the entire tournament. So with that expectation, this does come as a surprise. However, due to NDAs, we cannot discuss the casting situation any further. Furthermore, this is just really bad timing. Had they been announced to take over VNSL for the next tournament I would have been extremely excited for their return. But it was the sudden manner of hey these two casters will be taking your spotlight that caused my reactions. I'm sorry if my posting left a bad taste in anyone's mouth, but I promise if you had been an active part of the community you would know I have years of positive posts and contributions to Brood War. I'm not going to edit out my posts from earlier, but please lets not turn this into a negative thing any longer. It is a moment to celebrate that Brood War is so strong that its bringing back some great contributors of the past. | ||
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mca64Launcher_
Poland629 Posts
On January 16 2016 03:05 amazingxkcd wrote: afreecaTV global doesn't have a public API for TL to hook into. That is being worked on at the moment. Unfortunately, their stream alongside ours won't be tagged on the sidebar. You will have to go to the LR to see the stream links. Other option is signing up and follow the streams and get some balloons to go boing boing! so how is possible that there are already streams from afreeca on tl sidebar | ||
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
On January 16 2016 04:12 mca64Launcher_ wrote: so how is possible that there are already streams from afreeca on tl sidebar those are for Afreeca Korea (and with a little bit of some hacks to scrap data from them) | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49507 Posts
On January 16 2016 04:12 mca64Launcher_ wrote: so how is possible that there are already streams from afreeca on tl sidebar Afreeca.TV is not afreeca.com The Korean website is different from the global one, why they chose not to use the same one is beyond me. | ||
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
On January 16 2016 04:16 BLinD-RawR wrote: Afreeca.TV is not afreeca.com The Korean website is different from the global one, why they chose not to use the same one is beyond me. Korean website would take way too much time and effort to make it work for international audiences so I understand why we have a new afreeca site | ||
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AncientSionX
21 Posts
If you actually listen to a cast of that duo, you will see that they dont know a lot, they always use superficial words and more and more superlatives and its basicly boring as fuck. I actually want more casts, but casted by REAL fans and good commentators. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24578 Posts
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Duckvillelol
Australia1228 Posts
On January 15 2016 21:20 BisuDagger wrote: The next semifinals match is next Monday. On Thursday the 3rd/4th place match will be played.. The Saturday following will be the finals.Tasteless and Artosis will be casting the semifinals and the finals, but not the third place match. This thread caused me a hell out a lot of stress, but again, this is a situation that can't be controlled. Let me just put it this way, someone out there is forcing me to share what I consider the epitome of my involvement with Brood War. The only people I want to share this moment with is my co-caster AmazingXKCD and the small and incredibly hard working Brood War Staff. Cheers for the confirmation BD. | ||
stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
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KameZerg
Sweden1748 Posts
On January 16 2016 04:28 AncientSionX wrote: I have to say im not thrilled about those two idiots returning to BW. They abandoned it for SC2. They should stay there. If you actually listen to a cast of that duo, you will see that they dont know a lot, they always use superficial words and more and more superlatives and its basicly boring as fuck. I actually want more casts, but casted by REAL fans and good commentators. Well its a job, so they cant really pick and choose if they want to have a successfull career in commentating but I dont think they would be prime choice for BW, i dont think they are still in par with it but maybe in the future if they keep doing commentaries if now afreeca decides to keep running english broadcasted BW games they'll come about eventually. Also they are the most well known english commentators for the sc2 audience so maybe they'll try to grab some views from the other side. But all in all im still excited, go tastie ! | ||
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Lightrush
Bulgaria164 Posts
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207aicila
1237 Posts
On January 16 2016 04:04 BisuDagger wrote: I work hard at everything I do in life and hope that because of this things will go well for me. I will agree that I am niche, but let's be honest Brood War is nearly 20 years old. It's a niche game with a small and fantastic community that I've been blessed to be a part of for nearly a decade. I've also been casting games for free for 4 years now, and when I finally got a paid opportunity I took as serious as my job at Boeing. I'm just saying, this isn't something that anyone should expect to do for a living without being a big established name to begin with. Obviously taking your job seriously is very much a commendable thing, I couldn't disagree there. On January 16 2016 04:04 BisuDagger wrote: That is a false assumption. When afreeca hired XKCD and I on as casters, it was with the intent that we would be the sole casters for the entire tournament. So with that expectation, this does come as a surprise. However, due to NDAs, we cannot discuss the casting situation any further. My bad I should've been more specific; basically I just remember Tasteless tweeting about the possibility of doing BW again back in like 2013-2014. So the intent had been announced for a long time even if only as a hypothetical. It's not like the guy said fuck it forever and now he's here to mess with people. But yeah I don't want to make you feel worse than you already do, that's not why I came to this thread. | ||
Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
On January 16 2016 04:35 stuchiu wrote: That first tweet by Tasteless doesnt make sense since I thought BW was appreciated and celebrated I think maybe he means done in English? That makes more sense to me. Awesome news though really excited for it. | ||
Peeano
Netherlands4692 Posts
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jimminy_kriket
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Peeano
Netherlands4692 Posts
I do think it's a bit unfair towards BD and XKCD, but if it improves the BW fan base you won't hear me complain. | ||
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sparklyresidue
United States5522 Posts
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Musicus
Germany23570 Posts
)? Because I don't think bringing Tastosis to cast this will do a lot in the long run. Only by bringing the stream to twitch would the foreign BW scene grow imo. They should just let BD and amazingxkcd cast this on twitch instead of bringing Tastosis to afreeca.tv if they want more english viewers. | ||
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
So while i perfectly understand your frustration and i agree you were treated in a unfair way, perhaps it's helps you knwoing you were in a lucky spot to begin with. | ||
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
This is super awesome, though, i really hope they'll cast more! | ||
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phfantunes
Brazil170 Posts
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
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arb
Noobville17920 Posts
On January 13 2016 19:52 Endymion wrote: didnt artosis say that sc2 was more strategically deep than scbw? lmfao, i hope tasteless comes back but tbh artosis just jumps where the money is... afreeca should get little 작은 수지 instead, if she wants to come back... artosis is a sell out and has been since sc2 came out tbh | ||
prech
United States2948 Posts
 Can very much empathize with being usurped, it really is a shame how things transpired so underhandedly... On January 16 2016 07:43 Musicus wrote: So is the VANT Starleague sponsored by Afreeca or what (besides VANT of course )? Because I don't think bringing Tastosis to cast this will do a lot in the long run. Only by bringing the stream to twitch would the foreign BW scene grow imo. They should just let BD and amazingxkcd cast this on twitch instead of bringing Tastosis to afreeca.tv if they want more english viewers.Afreeca seems to be subsidizing the VNSL quite a bit, from providing venue and casters to the broadcasting infrastructure and marketing (heavily, all throughout the Afreeca sites), etc. Twitch may indeed bring more viewers, but Afreeca has set its sights on expanding outside Korea, i.e. as a direct competitor to Twitch, so I don't envision them supporting BW events/casts being simul-streamed on Twitch... | ||
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Lucumo
6850 Posts
On January 16 2016 09:11 prech wrote: Twitch may indeed bring more viewers, but Afreeca has set its sights on expanding outside Korea, i.e. as a direct competitor to Twitch, so I don't envision them supporting BW events/casts being simul-streamed on Twitch... Won't happen. Twitch was popular when international streaming became mainstream and at this point, they are too big to fail (despite several missteps in the past two years). Big crouds attract a lot of streamers and a lot of streamers attract big crouds. Youtube can be the only worthy competitor if they do it right but I doubt it since they have several issues (no livestreaming on Youtube allowed in Germany for example). Local livestreaming services should pander only to the local people, everything else is wasted money. I told that the nico² people but they still tried and obviously failed. | ||
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pEcul!Ar
52 Posts
Anyways, if this would've happened 4 years ago, I might've (and probably would've) been excited, now I'm just wondering if they're actually going to be capable of commentating without fucking about more than usual just to cover up the lack of knowledge of the current scene and how the game's played nowadays. Awk well, probably not going to bother watching it, as I predict the commentary to be subpar in terms of knowledge. | ||
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CheAse
Canada919 Posts
I've missed Tasteless BW. Just hasn't been as good for me since sc2. Please please please keep doing more. | ||
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Befree
695 Posts
Wonderful news people have been asking for for 6 years. Clearly a positive step forward for Brood War. It will surely bring back some viewers who had left long ago. edit: But wow did Wolf seem to not remotely comprehend the importance of what Tasteless was saying during that announcement. He interrupted him to read a sign in the crowd lol. | ||
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neptunusfisk
2286 Posts
On January 16 2016 04:28 AncientSionX wrote: They abandoned it for SC2. They should stay there. just like bisu, zero, soulkey, piano, flash, jangbi and the other returning pros as well? traitors, scumbags, i was so pissed how bisu won a SSL after playing that scumbag game professionally because his employers wanted him to | ||
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palexhur
Colombia730 Posts
On January 16 2016 09:44 neptunusfisk wrote: just like bisu, zero, soulkey, piano, flash, jangbi and the other returning pros as well? traitors, scumbags, i was so pissed how bisu won a SSL after playing that scumbag game professionally because his employers wanted him to Well the didnt join an on going tournament and play only Finals or Semifinals, didnt they? | ||
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Musicus
Germany23570 Posts
On January 16 2016 09:11 prech wrote: Very much support BD and XKCD's continued efforts, persistently slogging it through the trenches with casting BW in recent years even as the foreign audience has continued to shrink. Can very much empathize with being usurped, it really is a shame how things transpired so underhandedly... Afreeca seems to be subsidizing the VNSL quite a bit, from providing venue and casters to the broadcasting infrastructure and marketing (heavily, all throughout the Afreeca sites), etc. Twitch may indeed bring more viewers, but Afreeca has set its sights on expanding outside Korea, i.e. as a direct competitor to Twitch, so I don't envision them supporting BW events/casts being simul-streamed on Twitch... Okay, thanks for the info. Just thought it might be possible, since the Afreeca GSL is also streamed on twitch. | ||
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NiGoL
1868 Posts
On January 16 2016 09:08 arb wrote: artosis is a sell out and has been since sc2 came out tbh Lol that is so false. Don't talk about people you don't know anything about | ||
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feckless
1099 Posts
On January 16 2016 09:44 Befree wrote: Hopefully just a vocal minority here with the bitterness. Ridiculous reactions from some people. Wonderful news people have been asking for for 6 years. Clearly a positive step forward for Brood War. It will surely bring back some viewers who had left long ago. edit: But wow did Wolf seem to not remotely comprehend the importance of what Tasteless was saying during that announcement. He interrupted him to read a sign in the crowd lol. Here's how I see it: we have two amazing members of the BW community who have contributed and put time in an otherwise "dead game" (as many call it). Seems to me that strengthening the existing, and die-hard, community of fans was reward in itself. But they get an even bigger reward when they finally got hired on to cast Then suddenly, two other guys, the "big dogs", come calling around. These are two guys who left BW for the "greener pastures" of SC2. On the other hand, it seems to be pretty clear how passionate BD/xkcd are. But the "big dogs" are, well, the "big dogs". So they unceremoniously kick out the guys they originally hired and then bring in the "big dogs" to cast the last few matches? What the hell is that? To me it seems very distasteful (tasteless, even). From a strictly business and/or professional point-of-view, it seems very unsavory. This is regardless of casting quality. I apologize in advance if you think that that is a "ridiculous reaction". Also, I'm not saying it's not a "positive step" for BW. But some people need to take this in stride. Will they stick around? Will they cast these last few matches and then go away again? Will the people who "return" to watch BW stick around, as well? Or are they just following the casters? On the other side, I have no doubt that BD/xkcd are going to stick around. | ||
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Mengmeng
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feckless
1099 Posts
On January 16 2016 09:50 palexhur wrote: Well the didnt join an on going tournament and play only Finals or Semifinals, didnt they? Exactly. This isn't about whether or not Tasteless and/or Artosis are "traitors". It's about how they decided to "return" and how the whole thing has been handled. | ||
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Probemicro
3708 Posts
On January 16 2016 10:18 feckless wrote: Here's how I see it: we have two amazing members of the BW community who have contributed and put time in an otherwise "dead game" (as many call it). Seems to me that strengthening the existing, and die-hard, community of fans was reward in itself. But they get an even bigger reward when they finally got hired on to cast Then suddenly, two other guys, the "big dogs", come calling around. These are two guys who left BW for the "greener pastures" of SC2. On the other hand, it seems to be pretty clear how passionate BD/xkcd are. But the "big dogs" are, well, the "big dogs". So they unceremoniously kick out the guys they originally hired and then bring in the "big dogs" to cast the last few matches? What the hell is that? To me it seems very distasteful (tasteless, even). From a strictly business and/or professional point-of-view, it seems very unsavory. This is regardless of casting quality. I apologize in advance if you think that that is a "ridiculous reaction". Also, I'm not saying it's not a "positive step" for BW. But some people need to take this in stride. Will they stick around? Will they cast these last few matches and then go away again? Will the people who "return" to watch BW stick around, as well? Or are they just following the casters? On the other side, I have no doubt that BD/xkcd are going to stick around. finally a sensible post not to mention a certain "big dog" has even dissed BW, on tumblr (lol) of all places, of how sc2 is more "strategically" better than BW. so i guess now hes gonna a 180 on this cast and call BW beautiful and best game of all time. superficial sellout guy through and through. bandwagon-ners will still lap it up all the same. | ||
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KameZerg
Sweden1748 Posts
On January 16 2016 09:08 arb wrote: artosis is a sell out and has been since sc2 came out tbh lol Artosis took on another style when he switched to sc2, Nick strikes me as a bit more genuine. | ||
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Probemicro
3708 Posts
On January 16 2016 10:43 ICanFlyLow wrote: lol Artosis took on another style when he switched to sc2 nice editing out "superficial" | ||
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KameZerg
Sweden1748 Posts
I thought maybe they're reading this thread and i dont want to be mean :D I have respect for them both as commentators, its not a easy job | ||
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Probemicro
3708 Posts
On January 16 2016 10:51 ICanFlyLow wrote: I thought maybe they're reading this thread and i dont want to be mean :D I have respect for them both as commentators, its not a easy job yes they have done a lot for the community in the past but its very obvious that their casting quality has dwindled over the years and at times you wonder if they are even passionate about starcraft in general anymore, that its another job for them despite what they say or do on social media/PR. If I were BD i would be pissed off too, a BW fan gets promised a rare opportunity to cast the finals that has his favorite player and allow him to showcase his true passion. and suddenly out of the blue, they are told they have to share it with these "big dogs". | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On January 16 2016 09:44 Befree wrote: Hopefully just a vocal minority here with the bitterness. Ridiculous reactions from some people. Wonderful news people have been asking for for 6 years. Clearly a positive step forward for Brood War. It will surely bring back some viewers who had left long ago. edit: But wow did Wolf seem to not remotely comprehend the importance of what Tasteless was saying during that announcement. He interrupted him to read a sign in the crowd lol. If viewers left a while ago, it means they were fans of the casters, not the game fyi. This also means that once the casters move on, they'll move on as well. Anyways, the post by feckless is pretty much on point aside from the fact that BD/amazingxkcd now have to share the cast of the semifinals and finals with tasteless/artosis (two steams now) when it should've just been them casting these important games: On January 16 2016 10:18 feckless wrote: Here's how I see it: we have two amazing members of the BW community who have contributed and put time in an otherwise "dead game" (as many call it). Seems to me that strengthening the existing, and die-hard, community of fans was reward in itself. But they get an even bigger reward when they finally got hired on to cast Then suddenly, two other guys, the "big dogs", come calling around. These are two guys who left BW for the "greener pastures" of SC2. On the other hand, it seems to be pretty clear how passionate BD/xkcd are. But the "big dogs" are, well, the "big dogs". So they unceremoniously kick out the guys they originally hired and then bring in the "big dogs" to cast the last few matches? What the hell is that? To me it seems very distasteful (tasteless, even). From a strictly business and/or professional point-of-view, it seems very unsavory. This is regardless of casting quality. I apologize in advance if you think that that is a "ridiculous reaction". Also, I'm not saying it's not a "positive step" for BW. But some people need to take this in stride. Will they stick around? Will they cast these last few matches and then go away again? Will the people who "return" to watch BW stick around, as well? Or are they just following the casters? On the other side, I have no doubt that BD/xkcd are going to stick around. | ||
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KameZerg
Sweden1748 Posts
On January 16 2016 10:59 Probemicro wrote: yes they have done a lot for the community in the past but its very obvious that their casting quality has dwindled over the years and at times you wonder if they are even passionate about starcraft in general anymore, that its another job for them despite what they say or do on social media/PR. If I were BD i would be pissed off too, a BW fan gets promised a rare opportunity to cast the finals that has his favorite player and allow him to showcase his true passion. and suddenly out of the blue, they are told they have to share it with these "big dogs". I agree, its rly unfair considering what BD and Amazing has done and for us the fans the passion they have put into it, the way Nick and fartosis can jump in and take a share of the scene BD and Amazing had been one of the pillers for without a whim of BW for the past 6 years and the sudden "leave and forget" type of attitude when sc2 came out. But I guess the networks plan is to take onboard some sc2 viewers since they are hosting both leauges, and they might want familiar faces for that (Assuming Tastosis are casting for Afreeca SC2 i have no idea i dont follow the scene). So it might be a both good & bad type of thing but nevertheless I know which stream ill be tuning in to Edit: no actually i take that back, its not a good and bad type of ordeal its actually just mainly bad. They way they are conflicting with exisiting foreign bw community figures and they have no consideration for the work they put in and how they are suddenly gonna take their share of that now shows they are just unproffesional, they could have atleast let them finished the tournament. And this is just a one time type of cast to my impression i dont think they have any plans to keep doing it. | ||
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StarscreamG1
Portugal1652 Posts
On January 13 2016 22:09 DwD wrote: Damn I wish BW would make a full blown comeback, daily broadcasts with a top league and sponsored teams. I'll watch the shit out of this if it happens. | ||
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Chef
10810 Posts
Am I wrong, are BisuDagger and AmazingXKCD somehow bigger than moletrap / diggity etc English castors? Like lots of people enjoyed those guys too, but Tasteless and Artosis are going to bring a much more interesting perspective than just fans who never played at a top level. Add into that years of professional experience... I really don't like to show any disrespect to BisuDagger and Amazing for what they do, or any of the writers on TL or people who put effort into keeping BW being a thing on TL, but don't disrespect Tasteless and Artosis either just because they did SC2 for a number of years. Especially Artosis, that guy quit his job every year to practice for WCG lol. And especially Tasteless, original storm observer, who was really one of the first iterations of an English speaker expert talking over the game. Some of you guys got into BW so late you never even saw any of the BW content and interviews Artosis brought. If they wanna come back to see if there's something monetarily viable in BW for them to do, they have all the right lol. | ||
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Probemicro
3708 Posts
On January 16 2016 12:33 Chef wrote: but don't disrespect Tasteless and Artosis either just because they did SC2 for a number of years. its not because they "did sc2 for a number of years". Its about how this issue is ...unprofessionally handled. BD/xkcd volunteering on the basis of being promised exclusive casting rights to the whole of the tourney in the beginning and then halfway through, suddenly being chucked to one corner for the big dogs. no one in bd/xkcd shoes would not be pissed by that. and also no matter how much they seem dedicated or passionate towards BW in the past, its plain obvious their current casting quality and passion have declined, with one even lashing out on tumblr about "strategically sc2>BW yo"! then out of the blue they barge in to cast the BW semi/finals that have been promised to some other duo, because, $$$. (i really love that your posts mostly seem to dwell in the past and almost completely ignore the present) yeah thats respect all right. | ||
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HyralGambit
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49507 Posts
its not even about "Dey took our jerbs!" either since they still get to cast. I just have a feeling that theres a lot more that went down that got these guys rattled, and I don't think tasteless or artosis are to blame so please stop blaming them for it either. | ||
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On January 16 2016 12:45 Probemicro wrote: its not because they "did sc2 for a number of years". Its about how this issue is ...unprofessionally handled. BD/xkcd volunteering on the basis of being promised exclusive casting rights to the whole of the tourney in the beginning and then halfway through, suddenly being chucked to one corner for the big dogs. no one in bd/xkcd shoes would not be pissed by that. and also no matter how much they seem dedicated or passionate towards BW in the past, its plain obvious their current casting quality and passion have declined, with one even lashing out on tumblr about "strategically sc2>BW yo"! then out of the blue they barge in to cast the BW semi/finals that have been promised to some other duo, because, $$$. (i really love that your posts mostly seem to dwell in the past and almost completely ignore the present) yeah thats respect all right. When Heart of the Swarm endless stalemates were driving down SC2 numbers, Tastosis suddenly started casting GSL a lot less and Hearthstone a lot more. Then Legacy of the Void drove interest in SC2 back up due to being new and shiny (and, by conventional wisdom, a huge improvement over HotS), and they came back to SC2. Now BW is getting popular again, they're getting back into that, too. Despite all this, there are a sizable number of people who have no experience with the pro BW scene (starting eSports with SC2 or even Hearthstone) who'll watch this tournament on the strength of the casters, and a percentage of them will stick around. I think this is one of those things the BW community is going to have to grin and bear. It sucks for Amazing and Bisu, but this is the first exposure a decent chunk of people will have to the pro BW scene, so we need to lay out the dining sets, I think. Or stay "pure" and small. | ||
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
On January 16 2016 13:24 Ribbon wrote: When Heart of the Swarm endless stalemates were driving down SC2 numbers, Tastosis suddenly started casting GSL a lot less and Hearthstone a lot more. Then Legacy of the Void drove interest in SC2 back up due to being new and shiny (and, by conventional wisdom, a huge improvement over HotS), and they came back to SC2. Now BW is getting popular again, they're getting back into that, too. Despite all this, there are a sizable number of people who have no experience with the pro BW scene (starting eSports with SC2 or even Hearthstone) who'll watch this tournament on the strength of the casters, and a percentage of them will stick around. I think this is one of those things the BW community is going to have to grin and bear. It sucks for Amazing and Bisu, but this is the first exposure a decent chunk of people will have to the pro BW scene, so we need to lay out the dining sets, I think. Or stay "pure" and small. quite a sensible post. It may not be the nicest thing in the world, but getting that exposure for BW outweigh's that in my mind. | ||
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On January 16 2016 13:28 Cele wrote: quite a sensible post. It may not be the nicest thing in the world, but getting that exposure for BW outweigh's that in my mind. It's also entirely possible that the English BW stream gets popular enough for Amazing and BisuDagger to became paid secondary or even primary casters, in which case everyone wins! | ||
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Probemicro
3708 Posts
On January 16 2016 13:28 Cele wrote: quite a sensible post. It may not be the nicest thing in the world, but getting that exposure for BW outweigh's that in my mind. people still don't get it eh? if BD/xkcd were told that tasteless will be the one casting the tourney right from the start, thats all fine and good. or if they waited until the next tournament. but no, they choose to barge in halfway. and who knows what else transpires behind the scene, i get the impression something really unsavory happened judging from BD's initial unedited responses. btw true fans won't mind BW staying "pure and small", BW is a old 16+ years old game, nobody has any expectations that this game will become massive anymore. sure tastosis can bring in some new players to BW and thats nice and all But there are no harbored illusions that foreign BW will once again become truly big and professional, its a different era and market now. (until blizz release some sort of HD version, but if they changes something fundamental it will become a different game anyway) On January 16 2016 13:37 Ribbon wrote: It's also entirely possible that the English BW stream gets popular enough for Amazing and BisuDagger to became paid secondary or even primary casters, in which case everyone wins! if something unprofessional transpired what makes you think it won't happen the second time? | ||
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palexhur
Colombia730 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49507 Posts
On January 16 2016 13:58 palexhur wrote: Lol to people who is delutional about increasing the viewers or the foreign scene in BW, there is not way on earth to make that possible, this was really unprofessional and Tastosis can have all the history that you want, you can even make a table with their achievements in BW through the years, but the way this was handled is really bad, they just look like vultures looking for dead meat. lol please stop, I don't think tastotsis deserve such treatment. and I do believe this would help with increasing the viewer count, to put it in terms of the old days, I started out as a flash fan, but then I became a KT fan, the same thing can happen, you realize you might like BW with tastosis, you might just pick it up, I don't expect everyone to, but if say about a 1000 people(hypothetical) watch tastosis and even if 5% decide to stay then its a great thing, this includes old guys who've been away for a while till now and new guys coming in for the first time. | ||
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palexhur
Colombia730 Posts
On January 16 2016 14:07 BLinD-RawR wrote: lol please stop, I don't think tastotsis deserve such treatment. and I do believe this would help with increasing the viewer count, to put it in terms of the old days, I started out as a flash fan, but then I became a KT fan, the same thing can happen, you realize you might like BW with tastosis, you might just pick it up, I don't expect everyone to, but if say about a 1000 people(hypothetical) watch tastosis and even if 5% decide to stay then its a great thing, this includes old guys who've been away for a while till now and new guys coming in for the first time. I like very optimistic people, no more Tatsosis by me, I dont even care about them, but a little advise to the former casters: BD/xkcd if you are working in a professional way for a company, putting all your effort, and you are treated in an unprofessional way, just run away from that company, they are bringing nothing good to you both in the future, you can have passion and being fans of BW, like I think everyone is this forum but, dont give the best of you to a company that doesnt deserves it . | ||
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coolprogrammingstuff
906 Posts
honestly, i prefer tastosis but I do think it's a little rude for them to butt in at the end of the season - if it was a new season, sure, no problem, and whilst I probably will be tuning into them, I still feel a little sorry for xkcd and bisudagger | ||
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Deathstar
9150 Posts
It looks like this decision was made a while ago on afreeca's end. This may not even have been tasteless's choice but afreeca making them cast. We don't know the whole story so vulture characterization is definitely inappropriate. | ||
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On January 16 2016 13:58 palexhur wrote: Lol to people who is delutional about increasing the viewers or the foreign scene in BW, there is not way on earth to make that possible Not with an attitude like that there isn't! Casters absolutely get people into the scene. I got heavily into BW because I liked Cholera and NukeTheStars, and fell out a bit when they left (And when I moved to an apartment where I can't open ports). I happen to like Tastosis, and them casting significantly increases the odds of me watching VNSL. I doubt I'm the only one. I mean, we're not going to be filling stadiums again any time soon (never say never, though), but there are a lot of SC2 fans who are vaguely warm towards BW conceptually but have never actually watched it, and this is a good entry for them. It's worth trying, even if the timing is awkward. And none of that means it's not a dick move to BisuDagger and Amazing. On January 16 2016 14:35 coolprogrammingstuff wrote: the first thing bw-beginners will be exposed to will be a zvz. i just find that funny in itself. honestly, i prefer tastosis but I do think it's a little rude for them to butt in at the end of the season - if it was a new season, sure, no problem, and whilst I probably will be tuning into them, I still feel a little sorry for xkcd and bisudagger Hopefully Afreeca will continue using Bisu and Amazing going forward, and maybe treat them less dickishly On January 16 2016 13:39 Probemicro wrote: btw true fans won't mind BW staying "pure and small", What's the definition of a "true" fan here? | ||
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Falling
Canada11279 Posts
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Probemicro
3708 Posts
On January 16 2016 16:02 Falling wrote: Furthermore, even when SC2 was at its height, Tasteless was trying BW side projects, casting with Jason on old BW games. I'm not sure why it wasn't more publicized at the time as it got linked to us after it got closed down. However, it seems to me that BW never truly left the heart of Tasteless and I'm glad to see him back. where do u find news about this? were any vods published? | ||
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Falling
Canada11279 Posts
Tasteless and Jason Lee casting BW on Arirang TV This was the original thread that brought our attention to it with one video that got uploaded to youtube, but that's the only surviving piece it seems. Really too bad. | ||
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Shana
Indonesia1814 Posts
Would be really sad if BD/Amazing retired Please no, I love your cast! | ||
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molotow[eef]
Germany81 Posts
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lestye
United States4135 Posts
On January 14 2016 13:43 rabidch wrote: agree that bw for foreigners is dead. an hd remake would be awesome but i dont have faith in blizzard to pull it off correctly (unless theres a lot of positive signs with overwatch). another hope would be a fan clone but that would defend on blizzard holding back their legal power Odds are a BW remake would be fantastic, but the question/problem, what audience would it be made for? A perfect 1:1 remake would turn off a lot of people who are used to the quality of life features from Warcraft III and SC2. Plus, any small bug or AI behavior they would or could change, no matter how small, would turn off most of the classic BW audience , and if you're going to turn off the BW audience you might as well make appeal to the mainstream audience. And at that point it's an abomination in your eyes. There's too many Catch 22s with every decision. On January 14 2016 08:35 amazingxkcd wrote: haha people clamoring for tasteless and artosis to cast brood war. I'm all for more interest into brood war but now me and bisudagger got stiff competition to prove that we are the better casting archon :D That's the spirit! On January 13 2016 21:58 BisuDagger wrote: I'd focus more on writing news article and helping with foreign BW events to be honest. But my casting schedule is best fit for korean tournaments because I can cast from 4am-8am and then go in to work. edit: To add perspective, I get paid for afreecaTV. Yes, I finally get paid for casting BW. This is the equivalent to you winning the TLS/TLC. Except for me, if I cast past 7am I've actually lost money at this point cause it cuts into my work hours. There is the potential I actually lost $150-$200 a week depending on how long a cast goes and if I don't get the opportunity to work a 42+ hour work week to recoup the cost. So since the start of VNSL I've lost close to $800 just to cast this league. Which, who cares about the money, I get to cast VNSL! Look, my perspective is entirely selfish. Tastosis returning to Brood War would be amazing for the scene. I would welcome them and offer them any help I could and their return is probably one of the best things possible. But for me personally, it just really really sucks. Eh, that's awsome that your passion to quantifiable. But I would honestly hold off on the retirement. Tasteless and Artosis are known to never cast anything for free. and I highly doubt, even if you got a decent viewing, it's worth paying for. Well.... I could at least imagine them casting like Ro8 and beyond. But there's going to be plenty of Brood War that will be need to be casted!! | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19158 Posts
As far as Tastosis is concerned, let's not say anything else bad about Tasteless and Artosis. They are caster professionals. Watching their vods is a great way for XKCD and I to see what about their cast worked well so we can improve ours. Also, they are just out right good people. Regardless of where the passion lies, not person who knows them walks around saying their arrogant punks. They are legit caring and want the best for competitive gaming. Secondly, let's not take it out on Afreeca either. Sometimes a situation bears forgiving even without the full story. We cannot give you that full store, but Mr. Chae is a standup guy and Afreeca had treated us extremely well from start to end. If we want AfreecaTV to have money to sponsor more VNSL's and make a site that can be coded on to TL, then we need as much support as possible. So fill out those surveys! :D | ||
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Deathstar
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Grettin
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juvenal
2448 Posts
On January 16 2016 10:43 Probemicro wrote: finally a sensible post not to mention a certain "big dog" has even dissed BW, on tumblr (lol) of all places, of how sc2 is more "strategically" better than BW. so i guess now hes gonna a 180 on this cast and call BW beautiful and best game of all time. superficial sellout guy through and through. bandwagon-ners will still lap it up all the same. so if he sincerely thinks SC2 has more strategy to it - then what? Do we not "allow" that? How ridiculous is that? Don't create drama where there's none. Besides, who knows if there's gonna be another proper Starleague (Yellow is our last hope now without Sonic and LoveTV) and I'd much rather see the last big Broodwar match casted by Tastosis, because let's be honest - Tastosis are miles ahead of BD/xkcd when it comes to casting. | ||
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
On January 16 2016 21:46 BisuDagger wrote: Everyone thank you for your support the past few pages. I just want everyone to know while I am upset with how things transpired my first few posts were really extreme. I want you to know I have no plans to retire. I stuck with Brood War through Savior match fixing, Kespa to SC2, and Bisu retiring. Life is all about how we handle adversity. Unfortunately I handled it really poorly, but here's our opportunity to do better. AmazingXKCD and are more motivated then ever to grow our knowledge of Starcraft and improve as casters. We will never stop finding tournaments to cast be it KSL, SSL, 41SL, TTSL, KCM LM, or PianoSL, there's truly more SC1 then we can keep up with. So despite all the negative, after this post let's sweep everything bad under the rug. As far as Tastosis is concerned, let's not say anything else bad about Tasteless and Artosis. They are caster professionals. Watching their vods is a great way for XKCD and I to see what about their cast worked well so we can improve ours. Also, they are just out right good people. Regardless of where the passion lies, not person who knows them walks around saying their arrogant punks. They are legit caring and want the best for competitive gaming. Secondly, let's not take it out on Afreeca either. Sometimes a situation bears forgiving even without the full story. We cannot give you that full store, but Mr. Chae is a standup guy and Afreeca had treated us extremely well from start to end. If we want AfreecaTV to have money to sponsor more VNSL's and make a site that can be coded on to TL, then we need as much support as possible. So fill out those surveys! :D https://twitter.com/PatrickWitte/status/688342804771270656 well said, im glad you see it that way now Patrick. If you run out of quality korean tours to cast, we have some slots open for you when it comes to foreign broodwar (; | ||
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
On January 16 2016 13:39 Probemicro wrote: btw true fans won't mind BW staying "pure and small", BW is a old 16+ years old game, nobody has any expectations that this game will become massive anymore. If you are trying to say, that "true fans" are happy with having Broodwar slowly die off because we reject people from the outside such as Tastosis for prior casting Sc2, then: sorry no that's utter nonsense. Think about it, why do you think people who actively contribute a lot and put in a lot of work like staff people on TL, ICCup, editors on Liquipedia, Casters like BD&XKCD do that? For their own ego or for some misjudged form of "purity"? No. We do it coz we want the game to do well, even in 2016, coz we want it to be awesome and attractive to many fans. If Broodwar (very unrealistic) get's back into a place, where we have professionalism, i'd gladly drop my Pen and Microphone and focus on just being a fan. And i'd give no second thought about the "purity" of Tastosis or whoever. What an absurd term to begin with! I have sympathy for BD&XKCD being treated in an unfair way in this, but i have no sympathy for people who hate on BW's chance to get more exposure, when it means drawing professionals in like Tastosis. It's unhealthy for or scene and not the way to go. Let's be open and happy about this, let us embrace our moment in the spotlight. | ||
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CrayonPopChoa
Canada761 Posts
Tasteless: You know zvz is known to be a very volatile matchup in BW, it really is almost coin flippy at times. Artosis: Indeed Tasteless, that was the case for a very long time, and then of course Jaedong came along and showed people how to play this match up and how to be dominant at it | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49507 Posts
On January 16 2016 23:37 CrayonPopChoa wrote: Im willing to bet there is going to be an exchange that will go something like this .... Tasteless: You know zvz is known to be a very volatile matchup in BW, it really is almost coin flippy at times. Artosis: Indeed Tasteless, that was the case for a very long time, and then of course Jaedong came along and showed people how to play this match up and how to be dominant at it I think we could make a drinking game off this kind of stuff. Take a shot every time artosis brings up his media days. | ||
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Freezard
Sweden1005 Posts
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Heartland
Sweden24578 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49507 Posts
On January 17 2016 00:26 Heartland wrote: Kids, kids, let's just all agree that both BW and SC2 ZvZ is just awful, awful stuff well it can be awful, but since zero is playing it could be interesting. I do suggest you guys take a read of our preview http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/502080-vnsl-semifinals-preview-final-countdown | ||
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Probemicro
3708 Posts
do you do your work to attract all the LoL fans over? dota2 fans? some of these people would might vomit at the instant sight of aged graphics and refuse to play? or balk at how they can only control 12 units and have to manually click on units to cast spells? when tastosis cast how many people would actually switch over and stick around? only a tiny percent would. just being realistic its a aged RTS its not gonna ever blow up and become the next LoL/Dota, you must be high if you think something really significant will happen (also read your banned compatriot gecko final post too, a very nice true passion post and relevant) | ||
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juvenal
2448 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/7aYD16F.png) WILL WE LET THIS HAPPEN AGAIN?! /s | ||
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coolprogrammingstuff
906 Posts
On January 17 2016 00:35 BLinD-RawR wrote: well it can be awful, but since zero is playing it could be interesting. I do suggest you guys take a read of our preview http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/502080-vnsl-semifinals-preview-final-countdown true, zero did to get RELATIVELY more games to hive. hope we get one. | ||
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Garrl
Scotland1970 Posts
On January 17 2016 00:26 Heartland wrote: Kids, kids, let's just all agree that both BW and SC2 ZvZ is just awful, awful stuff i like bw zvz ( | ||
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Jealous
10099 Posts
On January 16 2016 17:41 molotow[eef] wrote: I really like that those guys gonna cast it. Xkcd has the best voice on the planet, but both seem to have d-level understanding of the game and that really hurts their cast. Meanwhile tasteless talks about bw in pretty much every single one of his sc2 casts and both were passionate about bw to an admireable degree. I have to agree with most of this. My opinions on people's voices aside, it is an inescapable fact that XKCD and BisuDagger are not strong players and more importantly never have been so their understanding is limited. This is true even when comparing with Tasteless/Artosis who have not been a "part of the scene" in years, as many people noted. This is part of the reason why I prefer Korean casts, despite not knowing any Korean - sometimes, the things said by lower-skilled players is just jarring. Also, Korean casters like Kim Carrier have made a legitimate professional career out of their voice and energy, as have Tasteless and Artosis; from what I know, this is not true for any other current English casters. XKCD and BisuDagger are probably students or people with other lives and careers. Let the casters cast, and any hype or exposure that brings to BW, all the better. From what I understand of the situation, I can fully understand how it is hurtful to BD and XKCD, and for that I'm sorry. I know you guys will keep doing what you love, regardless of what anyone says in this thread or elsewhere, and that's a great thing. Keep your chin up. Also, glad to hear AfreecaTV treated you well despite appearances in this situation. I'm hyped for some Brood War, I don't know about all of you | ||
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Chef
10810 Posts
On January 16 2016 12:45 Probemicro wrote: its not because they "did sc2 for a number of years". Its about how this issue is ...unprofessionally handled. BD/xkcd volunteering on the basis of being promised exclusive casting rights to the whole of the tourney in the beginning and then halfway through, suddenly being chucked to one corner for the big dogs. no one in bd/xkcd shoes would not be pissed by that. and also no matter how much they seem dedicated or passionate towards BW in the past, its plain obvious their current casting quality and passion have declined, with one even lashing out on tumblr about "strategically sc2>BW yo"! then out of the blue they barge in to cast the BW semi/finals that have been promised to some other duo, because, $$$. (i really love that your posts mostly seem to dwell in the past and almost completely ignore the present) yeah thats respect all right. Where are you getting this idea that they were promised exclusive rights? Using the word 'right' here at all is incorrect, because that implies a contract which if it were broken would have real repercussions. It's hard to take your word for it when BisuDagger's first two posts in this thread do not mention anything about that. That would seem to be pertinent information, but what he's saying is he gets some Afreeca money, which could mean a number of things. I'm so mad at you if all these two were told was that they have permission to cast and re-stream the games. And that is really the sound of it, with the relatively playful response by xkcd on page 2, despite the temporary meltdown BisuDagger had (which was so 'you don't have to make that decision now dude!' but understandable as an initial reaction). And if that's the case, then put together a thread to shit on Vant, because that has nothing to do with Tastosis. But get some basis for these accusations, there's no discussion if we can't agree on the premise. I'll agree it's shady if someone told them they can be the only English casters allowed, but I have a hard time imagining they'd have any reason to say that to some amateurs doing it for fun. That's far out bizarre and a mistake if they did. | ||
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lestye
United States4135 Posts
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19158 Posts
On January 17 2016 06:23 Chef wrote: Where are you getting this idea that they were promised exclusive rights? Using the word 'right' here at all is incorrect, because that implies a contract which if it were broken would have real repercussions. It's hard to take your word for it when BisuDagger's first two posts in this thread do not mention anything about that. That would seem to be pertinent information, but what he's saying is he gets some Afreeca money, which could mean a number of things. I'm so mad at you if all these two were told was that they have permission to cast and re-stream the games. And that is really the sound of it, with the relatively playful response by xkcd on page 2, despite the temporary meltdown BisuDagger had (which was so 'you don't have to make that decision now dude!' but understandable as an initial reaction). And if that's the case, then put together a thread to shit on Vant, because that has nothing to do with Tastosis. But get some basis for these accusations, there's no discussion if we can't agree on the premise. I'll agree it's shady if someone told them they can be the only English casters allowed, but I have a hard time imagining they'd have any reason to say that to some amateurs doing it for fun. That's far out bizarre and a mistake if they did. We are paid as professional casters. Hence the NDA and we cannot discuss this any further. There may be a time down the road where we can clear this up, until then accusations toward anyone are best left out. | ||
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Miragee
8434 Posts
On January 17 2016 03:46 Jealous wrote: I have to agree with most of this. My opinions on people's voices aside, it is an inescapable fact that XKCD and BisuDagger are not strong players and more importantly never have been so their understanding is limited. This is true even when comparing with Tasteless/Artosis who have not been a "part of the scene" in years, as many people noted. This is part of the reason why I prefer Korean casts, despite not knowing any Korean - sometimes, the things said by lower-skilled players is just jarring. Also, Korean casters like Kim Carrier have made a legitimate professional career out of their voice and energy, as have Tasteless and Artosis; from what I know, this is not true for any other current English casters. XKCD and BisuDagger are probably students or people with other lives and careers. Let the casters cast, and any hype or exposure that brings to BW, all the better. From what I understand of the situation, I can fully understand how it is hurtful to BD and XKCD, and for that I'm sorry. I know you guys will keep doing what you love, regardless of what anyone says in this thread or elsewhere, and that's a great thing. Keep your chin up. Also, glad to hear AfreecaTV treated you well despite appearances in this situation. I'm hyped for some Brood War, I don't know about all of you First of all: Some "D/C-Level" understand the game pretty well but can't put time into the game to get their mechanics up. They won't know little details for most of the timings but a lot can be learned by just obeserving pro games if the person has an analytical type of mind. Aside from that, I think what you said about xkcd and BD is true. However, I don't know why you think this will be any better with Tastosis. Especially Tasteless has never been known as the guy with a good understanding of the game, neither in SC2 nor in BW. | ||
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
On January 17 2016 01:06 Probemicro wrote: @cele "won't mind" is not the same as "strongly encourage". and nowhere in any posts i mention i strongly oppose tastosis casting, merely voiced some criticism. but i guess their fanboys are coming out now, no negative feedback or opinions allowed!!! ok fine fine. do you do your work to attract all the LoL fans over? dota2 fans? some of these people would might vomit at the instant sight of aged graphics and refuse to play? or balk at how they can only control 12 units and have to manually click on units to cast spells? when tastosis cast how many people would actually switch over and stick around? only a tiny percent would. just being realistic its a aged RTS its not gonna ever blow up and become the next LoL/Dota, you must be high if you think something really significant will happen (also read your banned compatriot gecko final post too, a very nice true passion post and relevant) i don't imagine BW to be the next CS:GO, Lol or Dota 2. But a server where i log on with 200 viewers playing (iCCUP) needs every fresh face it can get. And i've seen a couple new faces in the last year, mostly people dissatisfied with how sc2 developed who were looking for a good RTS. So yeah i have moderate hope, that some more people might BW give a try, though i agree with you the aged graphics are a big deterrent to many. | ||
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riotjune
United States3392 Posts
BisuDagger and amazingxkcd, your efforts are appreciated, not forgotten. | ||
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
On January 17 2016 07:19 Miragee wrote: First of all: Some "D/C-Level" understand the game pretty well but can't put time into the game to get their mechanics up. They won't know little details for most of the timings but a lot can be learned by just obeserving pro games if the person has an analytical type of mind. Aside from that, I think what you said about xkcd and BD is true. However, I don't know why you think this will be any better with Tastosis. Especially Tasteless has never been known as the guy with a good understanding of the game, neither in SC2 nor in BW. i agree. Understanding the game and being able to execute it on a higher level are two different things. I'd never turn down the opinion of an good player on ingame stuff, but stating that "you are a noob -> you don't get the game" is also an oversimplification. | ||
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Chile843 Posts
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FlaShFTW
United States10059 Posts
On January 17 2016 03:46 Jealous wrote: I have to agree with most of this. My opinions on people's voices aside, it is an inescapable fact that XKCD and BisuDagger are not strong players and more importantly never have been so their understanding is limited. This is true even when comparing with Tasteless/Artosis who have not been a "part of the scene" in years, as many people noted. This is part of the reason why I prefer Korean casts, despite not knowing any Korean - sometimes, the things said by lower-skilled players is just jarring. Also, Korean casters like Kim Carrier have made a legitimate professional career out of their voice and energy, as have Tasteless and Artosis; from what I know, this is not true for any other current English casters. XKCD and BisuDagger are probably students or people with other lives and careers. Let the casters cast, and any hype or exposure that brings to BW, all the better. From what I understand of the situation, I can fully understand how it is hurtful to BD and XKCD, and for that I'm sorry. I know you guys will keep doing what you love, regardless of what anyone says in this thread or elsewhere, and that's a great thing. Keep your chin up. Also, glad to hear AfreecaTV treated you well despite appearances in this situation. I'm hyped for some Brood War, I don't know about all of you your idea that a D level player has no insight on the game is just plain wrong. I'm sorry if I seem a bit upset by your comment but it's because I am. Many people consistently go off on myself, xkcd, and bisudagger simply because we aren't the best players. Being good at the game =/= understanding the game. Sure, it helps to be good because you obviously know the intricacies by nature, since that's kind of what you need to be good. But at the same time, there are bad players (such as myself), who aren't good at the game, but I understand the intricacies to the game. Which is why we do analysis instead of playing. Take for example League of Legends. Montecristo isn't a good player by any means. He's like Plat on Korean servers so not very good. But he's arguably one of the best analysts that League has. But people don't talk about how shit Monte is and how it hurts him. Don't bash on their commentary because you have this notion that D levels don't know the game. I've casted with both, and both have good understanding of the game. | ||
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Hesmyrr
Canada5776 Posts
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Arkaim
United States63 Posts
I have much sympathy for BisuDagger and xkcd. I also try to make creative content on the side while also maintaining a full time job, and I know how difficult it can be. The sacrifices you have to make sometimes. And maybe because of that they were physically unable to match the production quality that the whole GOM team can bring (sometimes). I can only hope broodwar expands to the point where it can support 2 teams of professional casters instead of it just being something that'll split the community. | ||
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lestye
United States4135 Posts
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19158 Posts
On January 18 2016 17:30 lestye wrote: Hey Bisudagger, how supportive/FURIOUS would the missus be, if you quit the programming career and decides to go to Korea to live the e-sports life? First they'd have to pay me better the Boeing. :D | ||
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lestye
United States4135 Posts
On January 18 2016 18:07 BisuDagger wrote: First they'd have to pay me better the Boeing. :D You wouldn't do it for the money! The passion! Then again....with military industrial complex money.... yeah.... How passionate can I possibly expect a human to be. | ||
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Arkaim
United States63 Posts
On January 18 2016 18:07 BisuDagger wrote: First they'd have to pay me better the Boeing. :D Hey I work at Boeing too. Did they transfer you to South Carolina as well. | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19158 Posts
On January 18 2016 18:34 Arkaim wrote: Hey I work at Boeing too. Did they transfer you to South Carolina as well. I work on simulation projects for the 737NG, MAX, and 787 at the moment down in Jacksonville, Fl. On January 18 2016 18:13 lestye wrote: You wouldn't do it for the money! The passion! Then again....with military industrial complex money.... yeah.... How passionate can I possibly expect a human to be. Haha, gotta do it for the money if I want to self-support my casting lol. Plus if I save enough I can just re-invest it into the foreign scene which is always the pipe-dream. | ||
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Xiphias
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Piste
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edit: Oh there's actually two streams and four english casters, awesome! | ||
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Peeano
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Vortun
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Edit: Great. | ||
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hydrogg
United States377 Posts
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
Too much talk about SC2 though - are really many people who never played BW watching? | ||
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avilo
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Kishin2
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-NegativeZero-
United States2141 Posts
On January 18 2016 20:17 LemOn wrote: it's awesome! Many Micro! Too much talk about SC2 though - are really many people who never played BW watching? well it's on the GSL stream listed under SC2 on twitch... | ||
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nighcol
298 Posts
On January 18 2016 20:17 LemOn wrote: it's awesome! Many Micro! Too much talk about SC2 though - are really many people who never played BW watching? Considering how many viewers there are I'd say that's pretty likely that there are, yes. And that's a good thing. | ||
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lestye
United States4135 Posts
On January 18 2016 20:17 LemOn wrote: it's awesome! Many Micro! Too much talk about SC2 though - are really many people who never played BW watching? Never? Probably a good chunk. It's probably been many years since most people watch BW so their knowledge might be little. Or probably a situation like my in real life friends have, loved Starcraft 1 to death, but they have 0 clue about the advanced tactics, and mechanical stuff, and strategies high level players used for professional play. The disparity between the regular BW cast viewer numbers from before and the numbers on Twitch kinda warrant the need to explain it slowly for new people. | ||
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MaestroSC
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Darkshark
Germany27 Posts
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rebuffering
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Shana
Indonesia1814 Posts
Glad that BD/Amazing stick around | ||
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
On January 18 2016 20:57 Shana wrote: All is well after all Glad that BD/Amazing stick around of course we will, we do it for the love of the game! | ||
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Garrl
Scotland1970 Posts
On January 18 2016 20:17 LemOn wrote: it's awesome! Many Micro! Too much talk about SC2 though - are really many people who never played BW watching? probably a lot of people have "played" bw, ie, campaign and casual compstomps with friends, which isnt really scratching the surface of what the players are doing, so i think explanation for people who have only played sc2 is fine | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19158 Posts
On January 18 2016 20:58 Garrl wrote: probably a lot of people have "played" bw, ie, campaign and casual compstomps with friends, which isnt really scratching the surface of what the players are doing, so i think explanation for people who have only played sc2 is fine When I periodically cast SC2 I make SC1 references. I think great for them to bridge the gap with such a vast potential audience. | ||
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VHbb
689 Posts
I hope there will be more of such initiative.. do you know where we can express our feedback about this? I understand that the finals will be casted by tastosis as well.. looking forward to i! Ciao! | ||
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outscar
2831 Posts
Also I'm glad this drama seized down. Both crew simultaneously casting this was best decision. I was really enjoying you both from at start of KSL1 - BD & XKCD 4ever! LFM of BW casted by Tastosis officially. | ||
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
On January 18 2016 22:47 outscar wrote: I liked and enjoyed this cast. It really looked unreal when you hear them casting this 18 year old game. Tasteless' passion was way more on this one compared to his casual regular SC2 cast. Artosis was also helping with his oldschool knowledge. Also I'm glad this drama seized down. Both crew simultaneously casting this was best decision. I was really enjoying you both from at start of KSL1 - BD & XKCD 4ever! LFM of BW casted by Tastosis officially. <3 | ||
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okum
France5777 Posts
No complaints about the way a lot was explained for the benefit of SC2-ers. | ||
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halomonian
Brazil255 Posts
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ArmadA[NaS]
United States346 Posts
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thezanursic
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valas991
Hungary181 Posts
On January 19 2016 00:20 thezanursic wrote: Will they recast the first semfinals match or just the remaining semis and the finals? Well, only the 2nd semifinal and the finals. the finals will be on 23rd , saturday, Bisu vs.zero or effort (no spoiler in case you wanna watch the vod) If the finals get a lot of viewers on the english stream, lot of Tastosis BW casts might be a thing | ||
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StarscreamG1
Portugal1652 Posts
On January 18 2016 20:44 MaestroSC wrote: :DMan... i have missed this game so much... even in such a (comparatively) simple matchup as ZvZ...it was getting so complex and you could see/hear Artosis/Tasteless getting nostalgic and "OMG ITS JUST SO COMPLEX!" its amazing totally worth ditching work tomorrow for. | ||
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nG.Templar
France32 Posts
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KameZerg
Sweden1748 Posts
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Qikz
United Kingdom12022 Posts
I think I prefer it this way On January 19 2016 03:17 ICanFlyLow wrote: VODS? http://afreeca.tv/36855042/v/20953 Watching now, you can seriously tell Tasteless was having way more fun doing this compared to when he casts SC2. It's like watching a different person entirely. | ||
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
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imre
France9263 Posts
On January 19 2016 03:30 Qikz wrote: It's so surreal seeing people make a Broodwar cast accessible for SC2 viewers hahaha. Used to be the opposite. I think I prefer it this way http://afreeca.tv/36855042/v/20953 Watching now, you can seriously tell Tasteless was having way more fun doing this compared to when he casts SC2. It's like watching a different person entirely. He's casting the game he's playing, quite normal :D. | ||
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
The cast was informative too, i definitely didn't learn anything but it was very entertaining. Keep on going Tastosis, welcome home. | ||
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Musicus
Germany23570 Posts
On January 16 2016 09:58 Musicus wrote: Okay, thanks for the info. Just thought it might be possible, since the Afreeca GSL is also streamed on twitch. Also very happy that this was actually possible, having it on twitch is a huge deal. | ||
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Chef
10810 Posts
It's so much more entertaining to watch them when I can relate to the excitement they're bringing. Also I'm really glad they were in studio and the cast was properly produced. I was scared this was going to be something really low key. If new people are going to get interested in BW, they can't deal with buffering or audio clipping. Annoyed I thought this was tomorrow, since I planned to watch live, but the VOD is alright and hopefully views there factor into investor's decisions too. | ||
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NiGoL
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DwD
Sweden8621 Posts
On January 19 2016 05:48 NiGoL wrote: just watched the VOD. You can tell it's such a nostalgic trip for them casting BW again. The passion was real and on max level | ||
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Bohemond
United States163 Posts
On January 19 2016 03:30 Qikz wrote: It's so surreal seeing people make a Broodwar cast accessible for SC2 viewers hahaha. Used to be the opposite. I think I prefer it this way http://afreeca.tv/36855042/v/20953 Watching now, you can seriously tell Tasteless was having way more fun doing this compared to when he casts SC2. It's like watching a different person entirely. Thanks for the link! I was super sad I couldn't see it live. Can't wait to watch it when I get home. | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
On January 18 2016 20:52 Darkshark wrote: Haven't watched broodwar before and didn't watch much sc2 lately but man this cast was great for me to get a grasp for broodwar. It was really enjoyable and i gonna tune in this saturday for the finals. very well, I was left! | ||
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Arvendilin
Germany1878 Posts
Tho it kinda sucks that BisuDagger and xkcd are getting fucked a bit with this :/ I usually only watch the Korean stream but I think I'll tune into the English 1 stream for the finals, especially because Bisu will be absolutely slaying EffOrt in a vZ finals as always (30th of August did not happen) so BisuDagger will hopefully go nuts :D | ||
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Wray92
22 Posts
On January 19 2016 07:17 Arvendilin wrote: Tho it kinda sucks that BisuDagger and xkcd are getting fucked a bit with this :/ Am I the only one who's not really seeing this argument? Bringing more people into the scene is going to benefit *every* commentator in the long run. | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19158 Posts
On January 19 2016 08:02 Wray92 wrote: Am I the only one who's not really seeing this argument? Bringing more people into the scene is going to benefit *every* commentator in the long run. That's not what he means. I think it's awesome they returned and I hope that it's permanent. If they replace us permanently as casters for next NSL, then that's totally cool. It's the fact that xkcd and i were hired for a job and didn't get to see it through on our own. We were the first SC1 paid casters since SC2 was released and it took a lot of commitment from so many people to get us to this point.We worked hard to be where we are in a very small community that we love and are just very proud. | ||
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duke91
Germany1458 Posts
On January 19 2016 08:21 BisuDagger wrote: That's not what he means. I think it's awesome they returned and I hope that it's permanent. If they replace us permanently as casters for next NSL, then that's totally cool. It's the fact that xkcd and i were hired for a job and didn't get to see it through on our own. We were the first SC1 paid casters since SC2 was released and it took a lot of commitment from so any people to get us to this point.We worked hard to be where we are in a very small community that we love and are just very proud. Consider your job as the jumpstart which brought us BW back. | ||
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tanngard
Norway1325 Posts
On January 19 2016 08:21 BisuDagger wrote: That's not what he means. I think it's awesome they returned and I hope that it's permanent. If they replace us permanently as casters for next NSL, then that's totally cool. It's the fact that xkcd and i were hired for a job and didn't get to see it through on our own. We were the first SC1 paid casters since SC2 was released and it took a lot of commitment from so many people to get us to this point.We worked hard to be where we are in a very small community that we love and are just very proud. I give you my respect Bisudagger. I think you and xkcd have done a great job and i hope you gentlemen continue commentating BW leagues. I will definitivily watch both casts seeing as we have come this far together and i want to find out how the story ends. Beginning with the bronze match on the 21st! Can Sharp get his first ever medal?? | ||
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ErectedZenith
325 Posts
On January 19 2016 08:21 BisuDagger wrote: That's not what he means. I think it's awesome they returned and I hope that it's permanent. If they replace us permanently as casters for next NSL, then that's totally cool. It's the fact that xkcd and i were hired for a job and didn't get to see it through on our own. We were the first SC1 paid casters since SC2 was released and it took a lot of commitment from so many people to get us to this point.We worked hard to be where we are in a very small community that we love and are just very proud. I just want to say thanks you for keeping foreigner's interest in BW alive for the last couple of months. Hopefully they paid you guys well. | ||
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mel0n
Australia13 Posts
On January 14 2016 11:35 NiGoL wrote: HD version of BW? You mean some type of BW Remake or a new expansion with better graphics and same playstyle? Yeah if that happens IT MIGHT happen. But they haven't announced anything close to that happening. Yes BW died because SC2 was released. Also because BW foreign scene had almost no competitive tournaments left except teamliquids own tournament. Which affects every pro player to play this game. No money no motivation anymore. The thing that made BW so good even before the money came to the scene was that people played it with passion/love for the game. StarCraft2 never had that because it started with tournament winnings/salaries and streaming. The passion is not there anymore for people who played BW. The only reason pros would pick BW over any popular game these days if the game was PUMPED with money and tournaments offline/online and companies supporting . I can't see that happening at all. And another type of BW coming out wont happen either, I'm pretty sure of that. And i think i read some statement from the blizzard employees that it wont. I'm not 100% sure of this but I think I've seen it somewhere before SC2 came out. People still love BW and plays it occasionally under smurf nicks. Blizz wouldn't make BW: HD because it would take attention away from SC2 where they have already invested quite a lot of money and marketing. It's the same reason they don't give the BW scene attention now because it could be harmful to their SC2 scene and with how easy it is to pirate BW and start playing iCCUP they could kill SC2 (even more than already have). It's a shame that SC2 and BW can't exist competitively like Melee and Smash 4 do. Smash 4 is for a newer and more casual audience while Melee is for a more hardcore and older audience. Smash 4 has no longevity and I'm sure it will be dead long before Melee simply because it's nowhere as deep and I'm afraid that SC2 will probably suffer the same fate no matter what Blizzard does. The best we can hope for BW is that Korea continues to support it and the small foreign scene continues to be interested. | ||
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duke91
Germany1458 Posts
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ErectedZenith
325 Posts
On January 19 2016 13:32 duke91 wrote: Blizz actively tried to kill BW for the last years. For so many years they couldnt even fix the official b.net server, so people cannot host or join without waiting minutes, or create games without port forwarding. Also the licensing fees on OGN I think Blizz is slowly giving up though. I think they definitely broke even for their money and marketing team for SC2. Their esport department focuses more on that card game and TF2 ripoff. | ||
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nG.Templar
France32 Posts
On January 19 2016 03:30 Qikz wrote: It's so surreal seeing people make a Broodwar cast accessible for SC2 viewers hahaha. Used to be the opposite. I think I prefer it this way http://afreeca.tv/36855042/v/20953 Watching now, you can seriously tell Tasteless was having way more fun doing this compared to when he casts SC2. It's like watching a different person entirely. Totaly agree, I rarely watch Sc2 but when I'm watching it,I feel like Tasteless dont realy care of the game anymore. It was a pleasure yesterday to hear someone so passionate about Brood War. I'm so hyped for saturday *_*, keep up this good work Tastosis ! | ||
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Arvendilin
Germany1878 Posts
On January 19 2016 18:43 nG.Templar wrote: Totaly agree, I rarely watch Sc2 but when I'm watching it,I feel like Tasteless dont realy care of the game anymore. It was a pleasure yesterday to hear someone so passionate about Brood War. I'm so hyped for saturday *_*, keep up this good work Tastosis ! Idk with LotV he seems pretty hyped again, lets see the measurement for how good the game is I guess how fast his hype dies down :D | ||
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NEEDZMOAR
Sweden1277 Posts
edit: http://afreeca.tv/36855042/v/20953 found them. | ||
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nG.Templar
France32 Posts
On January 19 2016 19:56 NEEDZMOAR wrote: Does anyone know where I can find vods for the casts? I cant find english version but games with korean commentators are available. | ||
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NEEDZMOAR
Sweden1277 Posts
On January 19 2016 20:09 nG.Templar wrote: I cant find english version but games with korean commentators are available. http://afreeca.tv/36855042/v/20953 found Vods. | ||
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nG.Templar
France32 Posts
Thank you dude. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6504 Posts
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Musicus
Germany23570 Posts
I'm sure more than 10k will watch for the final. | ||
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valas991
Hungary181 Posts
On January 19 2016 23:42 Musicus wrote: Seems like it was a success. The key is still that they brought it to twitch imo. https://twitter.com/CallMeTasteless/status/689124701424250880 I'm sure more than 10k will watch for the final. Yeah, I was glad I could watch in on twitch. Are they going to cast the bronze match? Any info about that? | ||
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
On January 20 2016 01:42 valas991 wrote: Yeah, I was glad I could watch in on twitch. Are they going to cast the bronze match? Any info about that? I'll be casting it with bisudagger here at http://afreeca.tv/nsl1 as per usual | ||
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valas991
Hungary181 Posts
On January 20 2016 01:56 amazingxkcd wrote: I'll be casting it with bisudagger here at http://afreeca.tv/nsl1 as per usual Thank you. I'll check it out! | ||
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Caspas
Germany157 Posts
Paypal-payment option and youtube--vods within 4 hrs. So @afreecatv: when is it ready? | ||
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NiGoL
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
On January 19 2016 13:32 duke91 wrote: Blizz actively tried to kill BW for the last years. For so many years they couldnt even fix the official b.net server, so people cannot host or join without waiting minutes, or create games without port forwarding. Also the licensing fees on OGN Will they care now LoTV is out? Their income from SC2 will be way lower with no expansions coming out anymore | ||
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Wrath
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amazingxkcd
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Wrath
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On January 21 2016 02:00 amazingxkcd wrote: we'll be casting Looking forward for it. My only issue with your casting is the background sound is silent, we can't hear in game music and sounds | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11133 Posts
http://scdojo.tumblr.com/post/137674723640/you-should-watch-bisu-vs-effort | ||
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hitthat
Poland2252 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + i dont want to talk about Savior here | ||
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
On January 21 2016 02:31 WrathSCII wrote: Looking forward for it. My only issue with your casting is the background sound is silent, we can't hear in game music and sounds We'll work on getting that fixed for tomorrow and saturday | ||
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CrayonPopChoa
Canada761 Posts
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HyralGambit
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sabas123
Netherlands3122 Posts
On January 21 2016 02:37 hitthat wrote: Second best Zerg? Effort was great Zerg, but nowhere as good as July. + Show Spoiler + i dont want to talk about Savior here At the end July was shit. | ||
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Rucho
United States124 Posts
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Dumbledore
Sweden725 Posts
On January 21 2016 03:39 Rucho wrote: I looked for like 10 minutes. When are the finals? VANT Starleague KSL2 Final Sat, 23 Jan 2016 10:00:00 +0000 (2 days) | ||
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Wray92
22 Posts
On January 21 2016 02:37 hitthat wrote: Second best Zerg? Effort was great Zerg, but nowhere as good as July. + Show Spoiler + i dont want to talk about Savior here Not the all-time second-greatest Zerg, but just the second-most-skilled player at the end of KeSPA Brood War. If you take the opinion that later players were always stronger than earlier ones, then I guess you can argue Effort was the second-best of all time. It's always gonna be arguable, obviously. | ||
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Chef
10810 Posts
On January 21 2016 02:37 hitthat wrote: Second best Zerg? Effort was great Zerg, but nowhere as good as July. + Show Spoiler + i dont want to talk about Savior here Probably talking about Jaedong actually. Though July is a worthy argument for how long he was relevant and how he was able to take a golden mouse long after his heyday. It's kinda cool to think about players whose duration of relevance is as impressive as players whose time of dominance was in StarCraft's most competitive years. But yeah, Effort isn't anywhere near Jaedong in my head canon, impressive as his victory vs Flash was, and his general level of play in proleague. A contender, but never one of the 4 kings. | ||
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
As much as i hate to say it as a Bisu fan, naming him the #1 Protoss is also most likely not right. Stork was a more consistent Protoss in my mind, while Bisu had greater "peaks of glory" so to speak, plus revolutionizing PvZ | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11133 Posts
On January 21 2016 08:24 Cele wrote: you can say about savior a lot of things, but not that he wasn't talented. So no Effort definitely not #2 Zerg. But Tastosis had some other inaccuracies in their cast, like saying Queens are not used in competitive play, when we see them actually quite often vs Tvz Mech. As much as i hate to say it as a Bisu fan, naming him the #1 Protoss is also most likely not right. Stork was a more consistent Protoss in my mind, while Bisu had greater "peaks of glory" so to speak, plus revolutionizing PvZ Their comment about queens kinda makes sense given how they switched over to sc2 in 2010, and as far as I know mass queen use against mech in TvZ didn't really blossom until 2011. I think their casts will only get better the more that they are able to do them hopefully. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6504 Posts
On January 21 2016 08:24 Cele wrote: you can say about savior a lot of things, but not that he wasn't talented. So no Effort definitely not #2 Zerg. But Tastosis had some other inaccuracies in their cast, like saying Queens are not used in competitive play, when we see them actually quite often vs Tvz Mech. As much as i hate to say it as a Bisu fan, naming him the #1 Protoss is also most likely not right. Stork was a more consistent Protoss in my mind, while Bisu had greater "peaks of glory" so to speak, plus revolutionizing PvZ maybe he means for zvz ? | ||
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tanngard
Norway1325 Posts
However i think artosis was definitivily wrong in assessing effort to be "the clearly better player" in comparison to zero. But during the cast he also compared zero to shine and roro as "upcoming zergs" when he talked about zero's kespa career. I'm guessing artosis didn't pay much attention to bw after the sc2 beta came out? Even though he did show up in the crowd for the tving final (last OSL) along with tasteless i remember...zero is hands down one of the most impressive zergs of all time, his problem was not being aggressive enough in the early game because he was always so focused on taking it to the lategame. Actually cele, artosis pointed out that he thought that stork and bisu was pretty equal in the cast. He probably changed his mind in writing the blog to hype up the finals..IMO bisu is the best because he won 4 major tournaments (3 MSL, GOM season 2) while Stork won just 1 OSL. However Stork had more success in WCG and as you said his consistency gave him a lot of silver. But something in the nature of being the best requires you to actually take it all the way through the finals i think. He also took flash down in two proleague finals remember? Also according to TLPD, Bisu had a winrate of 66,13 %, just short of jaedong at 67,45%, however stork is at 60,27%. That is a pretty big difference i have to say, actually it is behind fantasy who is at 62,41%. Not that winrate tell the whole story, but it might be an argument against the supposed better consistency of stork? | ||
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duke91
Germany1458 Posts
On January 21 2016 00:07 LemOn wrote: Will they care now LoTV is out? Their income from SC2 will be way lower with no expansions coming out anymore I think they will drop support for SC2 soon (though they will here and there try to appear as if they care still) and so they won't harass the BW scene as much anymore. | ||
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Chef
10810 Posts
On January 21 2016 08:24 Cele wrote: you can say about savior a lot of things, but not that he wasn't talented. So no Effort definitely not #2 Zerg. But Tastosis had some other inaccuracies in their cast, like saying Queens are not used in competitive play, when we see them actually quite often vs Tvz Mech. As much as i hate to say it as a Bisu fan, naming him the #1 Protoss is also most likely not right. Stork was a more consistent Protoss in my mind, while Bisu had greater "peaks of glory" so to speak, plus revolutionizing PvZ It's hard to think of Stork as the better player when I remember their epic 5 game finals where Bisu came out ahead at the end. Even though it was so close. Ultimately Bisu captures glory because he, like Jaedong and Flash, are especially strong in the match up which is supposed to be hardest for their race. Stork belongs with the 4 kings because he was competitive with all three of them, but he himself had mental blocks and was a silver surfer, winning only a WCG and an OSL vs Fantasy (who is in his own right a silver surfer of immense talent that won vs Stork later). Bisu's handsome collection of MSL victories and several victories vs Stork in the finals of tournaments of less caliber earns him a lot of respect, not just for his PvZ vs Savior but for victory after victory over multiple years, even if he did sometimes have months where he struggled. I think it's merely contrarian to call Stork stronger, when Stork's record is Bisu's but replace gold medals with silver. Consistent except in the most important games called OSL and MSL finals which hold all the weight when calling a player strongest. | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19158 Posts
On January 21 2016 08:24 Cele wrote: you can say about savior a lot of things, but not that he wasn't talented. So no Effort definitely not #2 Zerg. But Tastosis had some other inaccuracies in their cast, like saying Queens are not used in competitive play, when we see them actually quite often vs Tvz Mech. As much as i hate to say it as a Bisu fan, naming him the #1 Protoss is also most likely not right. Stork was a more consistent Protoss in my mind, while Bisu had greater "peaks of glory" so to speak, plus revolutionizing PvZ Bisu had the most wins in prologue almost every year and had most wins as protoss consistently every year. Stork had more consistent individual league results, but really Bisu is GOAT. We can get stat specific if we need too :D | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19158 Posts
On January 21 2016 02:31 WrathSCII wrote: Looking forward for it. My only issue with your casting is the background sound is silent, we can't hear in game music and sounds If you can't hear the game volume, by all means yell it in chat. Our production can only be as good as viewers tell us. Every cast our feed projects at a different volume and we rely on viewers to help us. Between games there is no volume on the feed which was the alternative to talking over korean voices. Unfortunately there is no better solution there. | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On January 21 2016 08:24 Cele wrote: you can say about savior a lot of things, but not that he wasn't talented. So no Effort definitely not #2 Zerg. But Tastosis had some other inaccuracies in their cast, like saying Queens are not used in competitive play, when we see them actually quite often vs Tvz Mech. As much as i hate to say it as a Bisu fan, naming him the #1 Protoss is also most likely not right. Stork was a more consistent Protoss in my mind, while Bisu had greater "peaks of glory" so to speak, plus revolutionizing PvZ EffOrt, in absolutely terms, is far far better than Savior ever was. Savior, in his era, was admittedly vastly superior to EffOrt in his. All depends on what you're referring to. If you mean absolute skill and/or the last 3 years of BW, then EffOrt is undisputed #2. I wouldn't quite put him up there with Jaedong, but honestly I really think EffOrt was on the cusp of deserving a spot in TBLS. As much as i hate to say it as a Bisu fan, naming him the #1 Protoss is also most likely not right. Stork was a more consistent Protoss in my mind, while Bisu had greater "peaks of glory" so to speak, plus revolutionizing PvZ Eh, don't really feel that argument:
Consistency might be the only thing you could argue in favor of Stork, but that's a meaningless shadow against the rest. Equally as important, I'm not even sure that's born out in reality. Bisu's overall win rate rather stands against that point, and if you go back and look you can't really find a point in Bisu's career where he did especially worst than than 60-70% range. | ||
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IntoTheEmo
Singapore1169 Posts
Glad to see that they are passionate about BW still, bit disappointed that there was no mention of a gaggle of Score-ge :D | ||
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lestye
United States4135 Posts
On January 21 2016 09:14 duke91 wrote: I think they will drop support for SC2 soon (though they will here and there try to appear as if they care still) and so they won't harass the BW scene as much anymore. wat? Why would they drop support for SC2? Their esports division is getting bigger and bigger, and they are selling map packs so they're financially invested in the game. | ||
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Jealous
10099 Posts
On January 21 2016 12:27 L_Master wrote: EffOrt, in absolutely terms, is far far better than Savior ever was. Savior, in his era, was admittedly vastly superior to EffOrt in his. All depends on what you're referring to. If you mean absolute skill and/or the last 3 years of BW, then EffOrt is undisputed #2. I wouldn't quite put him up there with Jaedong, but honestly I really think EffOrt was on the cusp of deserving a spot in TBLS. Eh, don't really feel that argument:
Consistency might be the only thing you could argue in favor of Stork, but that's a meaningless shadow against the rest. Equally as important, I'm not even sure that's born out in reality. Bisu's overall win rate rather stands against that point, and if you go back and look you can't really find a point in Bisu's career where he did especially worst than than 60-70% range. Just want to make one quick correction: there is no history of Zerg domination. There was only Savior domination. Unless you mean ZvP domination, in which case your statement holds some water. Protoss strategies were stale and solved by Savior at that point. Bisu brought la revolucion. | ||
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EFermi
United States165 Posts
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Probemicro
3708 Posts
On January 21 2016 16:36 EFermi wrote: Whatever happened to Jangbi? Did he ever get back into BW? came back for a while to stream late 2014, played in ssl10, didn't achieve anything. Left for army middle/late last year | ||
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Miragee
8434 Posts
On January 21 2016 09:11 eviltomahawk wrote: Their comment about queens kinda makes sense given how they switched over to sc2 in 2010, and as far as I know mass queen use against mech in TvZ didn't really blossom until 2011. I think their casts will only get better the more that they are able to do them hopefully. I don't know if I would call it bloom and I don't know the years when what happened but... 1. Jaedong used Queens sometimes against terran, even bio. There is a really cool game of him against Hwasin on Sin Chupung where he used ensnare against bio. 2. Zero and Soulkey regularly began using Queens against mech far before everyone else did. Dunno if that was in 2011 or 2010 though. They were the only ones who did it regularly in the days of professional broodwar though. | ||
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todespolka
221 Posts
On January 13 2016 19:52 Endymion wrote: didnt artosis say that sc2 was more strategically deep than scbw? lmfao, i hope tasteless comes back but tbh artosis just jumps where the money is... afreeca should get little 작은 수지 instead, if she wants to come back... Yes, but you misunderstood him. By more strategically deep he means strategy has more weight than skill. In bw a skilled player can overcome any strategical disadvantage. Also he means that sc2 is strategically more diverse than bw. In bw you play often the same strategy over and over again. Sometimes you make a timing attack but thats really rare. On the other side bw is tactically rich and early-, mid- and lategame have often distinct compositions. To all: I dont understand the need to talk sc2 bad because sc2 is just as good as bw, maybe even better in some points. The majority of sc2 plays 1vs1 (at least in ladder) while the majority of bw plays casual mods. Thats because sc2 1vs1 is more fun than bw 1vs1 (or do you play things which you dont enjoy). In bw teamgames were more fun. Also gaming environment has changed, the competition and technology is different. You cant really say which game is better. But people who act like bw is the greatest game on earth and bash on sc2, should ask them-self why the majority in korea plays lol over bw. Lol got even bigger than bw ever was. The popularity of bw is nothing compared to its past or to lol. I dont bash games here, i just talk about facts. Sc2 is the best rts we have and bw was a great game for its time which set new standards and helped to create e-sport in korea but in todays gaming environment its not a competition anymore. If bw wasnt famous i am not sure how much recognition it would get. | ||
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c3rberUs
Japan11285 Posts
Also lol to the above reply. | ||
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jimminy_kriket
Canada5486 Posts
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eviltomahawk
United States11133 Posts
On January 21 2016 19:07 jimminy_kriket wrote: Are they casting tonights games Zero vs Sharp? Nope. Finals should still have Tastosis though. | ||
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Miragee
8434 Posts
On January 21 2016 19:20 eviltomahawk wrote: Nope. Finals should still have Tastosis though. If you enter the thread, you will find the english cast from Bisudagger and xkcd if you are interested. | ||
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Miragee
8434 Posts
On January 21 2016 18:55 todespolka wrote: Yes, but you misunderstood him. By more strategically deep he means strategy has more weight than skill. In bw a skilled player can overcome any strategical disadvantage. Also he means that sc2 is strategically more diverse than bw. In bw you play often the same strategy over and over again. Sometimes you make a timing attack but thats really rare. On the other side bw is tactically rich and early-, mid- and lategame have often distinct compositions. To all: I dont understand the need to talk sc2 bad because sc2 is just as good as bw, maybe even better in some points. The majority of sc2 plays 1vs1 (at least in ladder) while the majority of bw plays casual mods. Thats because sc2 1vs1 is more fun than bw 1vs1 (or do you play things which you dont enjoy). In bw teamgames were more fun. Also gaming environment has changed, the competition and technology is different. You cant really say which game is better. But people who act like bw is the greatest game on earth and bash on sc2, should ask them-self why the majority in korea plays lol over bw. Lol got even bigger than bw ever was. The popularity of bw is nothing compared to its past or to lol. I dont bash games here, i just talk about facts. Sc2 is the best rts we have and bw was a great game for its time which set new standards and helped to create e-sport in korea but in todays gaming environment its not a competition anymore. If bw wasnt famous i am not sure how much recognition it would get. You realise that the reason for LoL being so popular is a combination of very easy entry (easy to learn, no upfront cost, low on pc demand etc.) and the fact that Riot is pumping tons of money into the pro scene? | ||
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EngrishTeacher
Canada1109 Posts
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Wrath
3174 Posts
On January 21 2016 19:36 Miragee wrote: If you enter the thread, you will find the english cast from Bisudagger and xkcd if you are interested. It is really cool, I just wish they had more control, using the Korean cast, they are forced to keep it semi-mute so they can cast, but that also means no music or in game sounds.... | ||
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
On January 21 2016 19:53 EngrishTeacher wrote: Sorry don't really have time to go through the entire thread, so what's happening to BisuDagger now? I know he won't say much due to NDA, but can someone plz gimme a breakdown of the situation? Thanks in advance. He's casting now! | ||
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Zera
Lithuania716 Posts
On January 21 2016 18:55 todespolka wrote: Yes, but you misunderstood him. By more strategically deep he means strategy has more weight than skill. In bw a skilled player can overcome any strategical disadvantage. Also he means that sc2 is strategically more diverse than bw. In bw you play often the same strategy over and over again. Sometimes you make a timing attack but thats really rare. On the other side bw is tactically rich and early-, mid- and lategame have often distinct compositions. To all: I dont understand the need to talk sc2 bad because sc2 is just as good as bw, maybe even better in some points. The majority of sc2 plays 1vs1 (at least in ladder) while the majority of bw plays casual mods. Thats because sc2 1vs1 is more fun than bw 1vs1 (or do you play things which you dont enjoy). In bw teamgames were more fun. Also gaming environment has changed, the competition and technology is different. You cant really say which game is better. But people who act like bw is the greatest game on earth and bash on sc2, should ask them-self why the majority in korea plays lol over bw. Lol got even bigger than bw ever was. The popularity of bw is nothing compared to its past or to lol. I dont bash games here, i just talk about facts. Sc2 is the best rts we have and bw was a great game for its time which set new standards and helped to create e-sport in korea but in todays gaming environment its not a competition anymore. If bw wasnt famous i am not sure how much recognition it would get. Lol this passive agresive post :D | ||
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EngrishTeacher
Canada1109 Posts
Awesome, good to see Afreeca do the right thing, spend just a tiny bit extra cash for a lot of good community PR, win-win for everyone:D | ||
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Chef
10810 Posts
It says Sat, 23 Jan 2016 05:00:00 -0500 (1 day, 19 hours) But all information I found is that it starts at 17:00 KST (liquidpedia, pictures), and that's 3am EST (-5GMT). Please fix if it's wrong, it would be egregious if people tuned in two hours late because the calendar was wrong. | ||
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Miragee
8434 Posts
On January 21 2016 23:03 Chef wrote: Is the TL Calendar for VANT Final wrong or are timezones even more confusing than I thought? It says Sat, 23 Jan 2016 05:00:00 -0500 (1 day, 19 hours) But all information I found is that it starts at 17:00 KST (liquidpedia, pictures), and that's 3am EST (-5GMT). Please fix if it's wrong, it would be egregious if people tuned in two hours late because the calendar was wrong. The 5am time probably stems from the time zone you set in your settings. It's going to start in 1 day and 19 hours, that's all you need to know. You can calculate what time it will be for you by then. | ||
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Chef
10810 Posts
Yes, someone has updated it, great! Sat, 23 Jan 2016 03:00:00 -0500 (1 day, 15 hours) | ||
2Pacalypse-
Croatia9479 Posts
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Miragee
8434 Posts
On January 22 2016 01:24 Chef wrote: You've totally misunderstood the question. Oh ok, sorry then. : / | ||
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Jealous
10099 Posts
"You can't really say which game is better... I don't bash games here, I just talk about facts. Sc2 is the best rts we have..." LOL So proud of my Brood War brethren for not feeding the obvious troll. | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19158 Posts
On January 22 2016 02:23 Jealous wrote: "You can't really say which game is better... I don't bash games here, I just talk about facts. Sc2 is the best rts we have..." LOL So proud of my Brood War brethren for not feeding the obvious troll. We have years of experience. I expect trolls to pick up their game a little after all this time. | ||
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