EPTI thought maybe they're reading this thread and i dont want to be mean :D I have respect for them both as commentators, its not a easy job
Tasteless and Artosis will cast VNSL semi-finals and final…
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KameZerg
Sweden1748 Posts
I thought maybe they're reading this thread and i dont want to be mean :D I have respect for them both as commentators, its not a easy job | ||
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Probemicro
3708 Posts
On January 16 2016 10:51 ICanFlyLow wrote: I thought maybe they're reading this thread and i dont want to be mean :D I have respect for them both as commentators, its not a easy job yes they have done a lot for the community in the past but its very obvious that their casting quality has dwindled over the years and at times you wonder if they are even passionate about starcraft in general anymore, that its another job for them despite what they say or do on social media/PR. If I were BD i would be pissed off too, a BW fan gets promised a rare opportunity to cast the finals that has his favorite player and allow him to showcase his true passion. and suddenly out of the blue, they are told they have to share it with these "big dogs". | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On January 16 2016 09:44 Befree wrote: Hopefully just a vocal minority here with the bitterness. Ridiculous reactions from some people. Wonderful news people have been asking for for 6 years. Clearly a positive step forward for Brood War. It will surely bring back some viewers who had left long ago. edit: But wow did Wolf seem to not remotely comprehend the importance of what Tasteless was saying during that announcement. He interrupted him to read a sign in the crowd lol. If viewers left a while ago, it means they were fans of the casters, not the game fyi. This also means that once the casters move on, they'll move on as well. Anyways, the post by feckless is pretty much on point aside from the fact that BD/amazingxkcd now have to share the cast of the semifinals and finals with tasteless/artosis (two steams now) when it should've just been them casting these important games: On January 16 2016 10:18 feckless wrote: Here's how I see it: we have two amazing members of the BW community who have contributed and put time in an otherwise "dead game" (as many call it). Seems to me that strengthening the existing, and die-hard, community of fans was reward in itself. But they get an even bigger reward when they finally got hired on to cast Then suddenly, two other guys, the "big dogs", come calling around. These are two guys who left BW for the "greener pastures" of SC2. On the other hand, it seems to be pretty clear how passionate BD/xkcd are. But the "big dogs" are, well, the "big dogs". So they unceremoniously kick out the guys they originally hired and then bring in the "big dogs" to cast the last few matches? What the hell is that? To me it seems very distasteful (tasteless, even). From a strictly business and/or professional point-of-view, it seems very unsavory. This is regardless of casting quality. I apologize in advance if you think that that is a "ridiculous reaction". Also, I'm not saying it's not a "positive step" for BW. But some people need to take this in stride. Will they stick around? Will they cast these last few matches and then go away again? Will the people who "return" to watch BW stick around, as well? Or are they just following the casters? On the other side, I have no doubt that BD/xkcd are going to stick around. | ||
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KameZerg
Sweden1748 Posts
On January 16 2016 10:59 Probemicro wrote: yes they have done a lot for the community in the past but its very obvious that their casting quality has dwindled over the years and at times you wonder if they are even passionate about starcraft in general anymore, that its another job for them despite what they say or do on social media/PR. If I were BD i would be pissed off too, a BW fan gets promised a rare opportunity to cast the finals that has his favorite player and allow him to showcase his true passion. and suddenly out of the blue, they are told they have to share it with these "big dogs". I agree, its rly unfair considering what BD and Amazing has done and for us the fans the passion they have put into it, the way Nick and fartosis can jump in and take a share of the scene BD and Amazing had been one of the pillers for without a whim of BW for the past 6 years and the sudden "leave and forget" type of attitude when sc2 came out. But I guess the networks plan is to take onboard some sc2 viewers since they are hosting both leauges, and they might want familiar faces for that (Assuming Tastosis are casting for Afreeca SC2 i have no idea i dont follow the scene). So it might be a both good & bad type of thing but nevertheless I know which stream ill be tuning in to  Edit: no actually i take that back, its not a good and bad type of ordeal its actually just mainly bad. They way they are conflicting with exisiting foreign bw community figures and they have no consideration for the work they put in and how they are suddenly gonna take their share of that now shows they are just unproffesional, they could have atleast let them finished the tournament. And this is just a one time type of cast to my impression i dont think they have any plans to keep doing it. | ||
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StarscreamG1
Portugal1652 Posts
On January 13 2016 22:09 DwD wrote: Damn I wish BW would make a full blown comeback, daily broadcasts with a top league and sponsored teams. I'll watch the shit out of this if it happens. | ||
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Chef
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Am I wrong, are BisuDagger and AmazingXKCD somehow bigger than moletrap / diggity etc English castors? Like lots of people enjoyed those guys too, but Tasteless and Artosis are going to bring a much more interesting perspective than just fans who never played at a top level. Add into that years of professional experience... I really don't like to show any disrespect to BisuDagger and Amazing for what they do, or any of the writers on TL or people who put effort into keeping BW being a thing on TL, but don't disrespect Tasteless and Artosis either just because they did SC2 for a number of years. Especially Artosis, that guy quit his job every year to practice for WCG lol. And especially Tasteless, original storm observer, who was really one of the first iterations of an English speaker expert talking over the game. Some of you guys got into BW so late you never even saw any of the BW content and interviews Artosis brought. If they wanna come back to see if there's something monetarily viable in BW for them to do, they have all the right lol. | ||
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Probemicro
3708 Posts
On January 16 2016 12:33 Chef wrote: but don't disrespect Tasteless and Artosis either just because they did SC2 for a number of years. its not because they "did sc2 for a number of years". Its about how this issue is ...unprofessionally handled. BD/xkcd volunteering on the basis of being promised exclusive casting rights to the whole of the tourney in the beginning and then halfway through, suddenly being chucked to one corner for the big dogs. no one in bd/xkcd shoes would not be pissed by that. and also no matter how much they seem dedicated or passionate towards BW in the past, its plain obvious their current casting quality and passion have declined, with one even lashing out on tumblr about "strategically sc2>BW yo"! then out of the blue they barge in to cast the BW semi/finals that have been promised to some other duo, because, $$$. (i really love that your posts mostly seem to dwell in the past and almost completely ignore the present) yeah thats respect all right. | ||
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HyralGambit
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49507 Posts
its not even about "Dey took our jerbs!" either since they still get to cast. I just have a feeling that theres a lot more that went down that got these guys rattled, and I don't think tasteless or artosis are to blame so please stop blaming them for it either. | ||
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On January 16 2016 12:45 Probemicro wrote: its not because they "did sc2 for a number of years". Its about how this issue is ...unprofessionally handled. BD/xkcd volunteering on the basis of being promised exclusive casting rights to the whole of the tourney in the beginning and then halfway through, suddenly being chucked to one corner for the big dogs. no one in bd/xkcd shoes would not be pissed by that. and also no matter how much they seem dedicated or passionate towards BW in the past, its plain obvious their current casting quality and passion have declined, with one even lashing out on tumblr about "strategically sc2>BW yo"! then out of the blue they barge in to cast the BW semi/finals that have been promised to some other duo, because, $$$. (i really love that your posts mostly seem to dwell in the past and almost completely ignore the present) yeah thats respect all right. When Heart of the Swarm endless stalemates were driving down SC2 numbers, Tastosis suddenly started casting GSL a lot less and Hearthstone a lot more. Then Legacy of the Void drove interest in SC2 back up due to being new and shiny (and, by conventional wisdom, a huge improvement over HotS), and they came back to SC2. Now BW is getting popular again, they're getting back into that, too. Despite all this, there are a sizable number of people who have no experience with the pro BW scene (starting eSports with SC2 or even Hearthstone) who'll watch this tournament on the strength of the casters, and a percentage of them will stick around. I think this is one of those things the BW community is going to have to grin and bear. It sucks for Amazing and Bisu, but this is the first exposure a decent chunk of people will have to the pro BW scene, so we need to lay out the dining sets, I think. Or stay "pure" and small. | ||
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
On January 16 2016 13:24 Ribbon wrote: When Heart of the Swarm endless stalemates were driving down SC2 numbers, Tastosis suddenly started casting GSL a lot less and Hearthstone a lot more. Then Legacy of the Void drove interest in SC2 back up due to being new and shiny (and, by conventional wisdom, a huge improvement over HotS), and they came back to SC2. Now BW is getting popular again, they're getting back into that, too. Despite all this, there are a sizable number of people who have no experience with the pro BW scene (starting eSports with SC2 or even Hearthstone) who'll watch this tournament on the strength of the casters, and a percentage of them will stick around. I think this is one of those things the BW community is going to have to grin and bear. It sucks for Amazing and Bisu, but this is the first exposure a decent chunk of people will have to the pro BW scene, so we need to lay out the dining sets, I think. Or stay "pure" and small. quite a sensible post. It may not be the nicest thing in the world, but getting that exposure for BW outweigh's that in my mind. | ||
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On January 16 2016 13:28 Cele wrote: quite a sensible post. It may not be the nicest thing in the world, but getting that exposure for BW outweigh's that in my mind. It's also entirely possible that the English BW stream gets popular enough for Amazing and BisuDagger to became paid secondary or even primary casters, in which case everyone wins! | ||
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Probemicro
3708 Posts
On January 16 2016 13:28 Cele wrote: quite a sensible post. It may not be the nicest thing in the world, but getting that exposure for BW outweigh's that in my mind. people still don't get it eh? if BD/xkcd were told that tasteless will be the one casting the tourney right from the start, thats all fine and good. or if they waited until the next tournament. but no, they choose to barge in halfway. and who knows what else transpires behind the scene, i get the impression something really unsavory happened judging from BD's initial unedited responses. btw true fans won't mind BW staying "pure and small", BW is a old 16+ years old game, nobody has any expectations that this game will become massive anymore. sure tastosis can bring in some new players to BW and thats nice and all But there are no harbored illusions that foreign BW will once again become truly big and professional, its a different era and market now. (until blizz release some sort of HD version, but if they changes something fundamental it will become a different game anyway) On January 16 2016 13:37 Ribbon wrote: It's also entirely possible that the English BW stream gets popular enough for Amazing and BisuDagger to became paid secondary or even primary casters, in which case everyone wins! if something unprofessional transpired what makes you think it won't happen the second time? | ||
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palexhur
Colombia730 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49507 Posts
On January 16 2016 13:58 palexhur wrote: Lol to people who is delutional about increasing the viewers or the foreign scene in BW, there is not way on earth to make that possible, this was really unprofessional and Tastosis can have all the history that you want, you can even make a table with their achievements in BW through the years, but the way this was handled is really bad, they just look like vultures looking for dead meat. lol please stop, I don't think tastotsis deserve such treatment. and I do believe this would help with increasing the viewer count, to put it in terms of the old days, I started out as a flash fan, but then I became a KT fan, the same thing can happen, you realize you might like BW with tastosis, you might just pick it up, I don't expect everyone to, but if say about a 1000 people(hypothetical) watch tastosis and even if 5% decide to stay then its a great thing, this includes old guys who've been away for a while till now and new guys coming in for the first time. | ||
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palexhur
Colombia730 Posts
On January 16 2016 14:07 BLinD-RawR wrote: lol please stop, I don't think tastotsis deserve such treatment. and I do believe this would help with increasing the viewer count, to put it in terms of the old days, I started out as a flash fan, but then I became a KT fan, the same thing can happen, you realize you might like BW with tastosis, you might just pick it up, I don't expect everyone to, but if say about a 1000 people(hypothetical) watch tastosis and even if 5% decide to stay then its a great thing, this includes old guys who've been away for a while till now and new guys coming in for the first time. I like very optimistic people, no more Tatsosis by me, I dont even care about them, but a little advise to the former casters: BD/xkcd if you are working in a professional way for a company, putting all your effort, and you are treated in an unprofessional way, just run away from that company, they are bringing nothing good to you both in the future, you can have passion and being fans of BW, like I think everyone is this forum but, dont give the best of you to a company that doesnt deserves it . | ||
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coolprogrammingstuff
906 Posts
honestly, i prefer tastosis but I do think it's a little rude for them to butt in at the end of the season - if it was a new season, sure, no problem, and whilst I probably will be tuning into them, I still feel a little sorry for xkcd and bisudagger | ||
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Deathstar
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It looks like this decision was made a while ago on afreeca's end. This may not even have been tasteless's choice but afreeca making them cast. We don't know the whole story so vulture characterization is definitely inappropriate. | ||
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On January 16 2016 13:58 palexhur wrote: Lol to people who is delutional about increasing the viewers or the foreign scene in BW, there is not way on earth to make that possible Not with an attitude like that there isn't! Casters absolutely get people into the scene. I got heavily into BW because I liked Cholera and NukeTheStars, and fell out a bit when they left (And when I moved to an apartment where I can't open ports). I happen to like Tastosis, and them casting significantly increases the odds of me watching VNSL. I doubt I'm the only one. I mean, we're not going to be filling stadiums again any time soon (never say never, though), but there are a lot of SC2 fans who are vaguely warm towards BW conceptually but have never actually watched it, and this is a good entry for them. It's worth trying, even if the timing is awkward. And none of that means it's not a dick move to BisuDagger and Amazing. On January 16 2016 14:35 coolprogrammingstuff wrote: the first thing bw-beginners will be exposed to will be a zvz. i just find that funny in itself. honestly, i prefer tastosis but I do think it's a little rude for them to butt in at the end of the season - if it was a new season, sure, no problem, and whilst I probably will be tuning into them, I still feel a little sorry for xkcd and bisudagger Hopefully Afreeca will continue using Bisu and Amazing going forward, and maybe treat them less dickishly On January 16 2016 13:39 Probemicro wrote: btw true fans won't mind BW staying "pure and small", What's the definition of a "true" fan here? | ||
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Falling
Canada11279 Posts
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