• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 17:16
CEST 23:16
KST 06:16
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners6Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview5[ASL21] Finals Preview: Two Legacies21
Community News
Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28)5[BSL22] Non-Korean Championship from 13 to 28 June2Weekly Cups (May 25-31): Clem doubles, 2v2 circuit heads toward finale0StarCraft II 5.0.16 PTR Patch Notes may 26th152Weekly Cups (May 18-24): MaxPax wins doubles0
StarCraft 2
General
Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners StarCraft II 5.0.16 PTR Patch Notes may 26th TL Poll: How do you feel about the 5.0.16 PTR balance changes? TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection Oliveira Would Have Returned If EWC Continued
Tourneys
Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule ! Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28) GSL Code S Season 2 (2026) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 529 Opportunities Unleashed Mutation # 528 Infection Detected Welcome to the External Content forum
Brood War
General
The Korean Terminology Thread Data needed Quality of life changes in BW that you will like ? BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW fans in southern Sweden, look here!
Tourneys
[ASL21] Grand Finals [BSL22] Grand Finals - Sunday 21:00 CEST [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2
Strategy
Why doesn't anyone use restoration? Any training maps people recommend? Muta micro map competition [G] Hydra ZvZ: An Introduction
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread PC Games Sales Thread ZeroSpace Megathread Summer Games Done Quick 2026!
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Trading/Investing Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Cricket [SPORT] TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 2024 - 2026 Football Thread NBA General Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Facing Challenges in Mobile App Development
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
How Streaming Impacts Game P…
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
Why RTS gamers make better f…
gosubay
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 6997 users

actually Terran is the strongest race. - Page 2

Forum Index > BW General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 Next All
Phanekim
Profile Joined April 2003
United States777 Posts
June 09 2003 16:15 GMT
#21
also you have to consider race to race percentages.

t>z and z> p and t = p for most part...p has to be really creative to win...but slight edge might be to t. now you know why terran seem to have an adv. zerg not far behind.

if blizz is to balance..they need to consider race to race matchups.
i like cheese
AK-Nemesis
Profile Joined December 2002
2005 Posts
June 09 2003 16:29 GMT
#22
dumb thread IMHO
Nemesis has left the building~
MPXMX
Profile Joined December 2002
Canada4309 Posts
June 09 2003 16:32 GMT
#23
Fuck,

if there were no Boxer and Nada, zerg players would own the top of the ladder. What would you say then? Zerg is strongest race (just look at Yellow and Chojja)? Just because there are like 5 extremely talented terran players in the world who happen to own everyone else doesn't make terran the strongest race.

Boxer and Nada are the main imbalances in the game, not the race. Yes.
n8f8
Profile Joined May 2003
United Kingdom222 Posts
June 09 2003 16:52 GMT
#24
Well, perhaps nada and boxer are the best players not because of their race, but because of their skills and determination. Boxer was #1 when every other T was getting raped..... Imagine boxer/nada as a Z or P...Scary shit
the only thing we can do is smile :)
Vicious)Soul
Profile Joined May 2003
United States857 Posts
June 10 2003 19:49 GMT
#25
On June 09 2003 15:14 Terranix wrote:
as you can see in lots TvP matchs, Protoss can never make it without desperatly making carriers. that's why blizzard was thinking to strengthen Protoss in the coming version of SC.


They want to strengthen Protoss cuz there's a severe inbalance against zerg. Top protoss players have recently shown that they can do pretty dam nwell against terran ie ForU vs Nada. Plus, MPXMX is right, Nada and Boxer are the only terran players to be doing consistently well. Just cuz they're on top, doesn't mean the race is better. Look at who's advance in the OGN team leauges. An ALL ZERG soul team.
it is a playful smile, like a cheerleader who likes male attention even tho shes actually a prude can-kniving bitch... - stimey
z7-RaiN
Profile Joined January 2003
United States522 Posts
June 10 2003 19:51 GMT
#26
On June 09 2003 15:04 Yarertz wrote:
haha lol form where are you? circus?


ahahahahaha
PokerStars.com, where dreams come true
Kobayashi
Profile Joined February 2003
Portugal1970 Posts
Last Edited: 2003-06-11 13:27:31
June 10 2003 20:57 GMT
#27
[QUOTE]On June 09 2003 15:14 Terranix wrote:
as you can see in lots TvP matchs, Protoss can never make it without desperatly making carriers.[\QUOTE]

Terrans can never make it without deseperatly making tanks too...nice point u made there
I love mankind, its people I hate
Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
June 10 2003 22:39 GMT
#28
On June 09 2003 15:03 ShAsTa wrote:
you're an idiot

you're Belgian
Moderator
Phanekim
Profile Joined April 2003
United States777 Posts
June 10 2003 22:48 GMT
#29
the reason why toss lose is they dont do anything special.

if you followed great players like pillars (one of best tacticians imho) and gad....

people dont divert away from 2 gate. if you watched them play...they never did two gate. they did 1 gate to reaver...quick nexus. they sair/dt. they fotoned and carriered it up. there had to be 7-8 different build orders (more than any other race) that you can do effectively.

try it one time. 1 gate zealots and reaver. protect cliff on LT. then drop them. they'd have to fight it off with hydras...there's no way they can get to mutas in time...its proven unless they start off with quick muta in mind first.

then micro it. sure the cooldown is in play...but youc an really hurt them if you know how to micro it.

try dt/sair? its not great...but hey...sometimes it catches people off guard. suppose a sauron styule zerg...he'lll never make nothing more than lings. fotoning up and carriering is not bad either against zerg. carrier with proper back up is good. its bad against lings/ultras and scourge...but if you protect it well enough...u'll win easily.

and against terran. every heard of the stove? it can really put enemy in bad position. try it.
i like cheese
Imperium
Profile Joined December 2002
United States614 Posts
June 10 2003 22:54 GMT
#30
On June 11 2003 04:51 z7-RaiN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2003 15:04 Yarertz wrote:
haha lol form where are you? circus?


ahahahahaha


was it really that funny? :'(
such an oob!! go back to diablo
Grotfang
Profile Joined May 2003
Belgium490 Posts
June 11 2003 05:20 GMT
#31
On June 11 2003 07:39 Beyonder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2003 15:03 ShAsTa wrote:
you're an idiot

you're Belgian



he's 14 too
No plz only LT.. no not TvT.. no.. ok cancel?
ShAsTa
Profile Joined November 2002
Belgium2841 Posts
June 11 2003 06:03 GMT
#32
grot u talking to me?
I'm not 14.
If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
June 11 2003 06:04 GMT
#33
On June 11 2003 07:48 Phanekim wrote:
the reason why toss lose is they dont do anything special.

if you followed great players like pillars (one of best tacticians imho) and gad....

people dont divert away from 2 gate. if you watched them play...they never did two gate. they did 1 gate to reaver...quick nexus. they sair/dt. they fotoned and carriered it up. there had to be 7-8 different build orders (more than any other race) that you can do effectively.

try it one time. 1 gate zealots and reaver. protect cliff on LT. then drop them. they'd have to fight it off with hydras...there's no way they can get to mutas in time...its proven unless they start off with quick muta in mind first.

then micro it. sure the cooldown is in play...but youc an really hurt them if you know how to micro it.

try dt/sair? its not great...but hey...sometimes it catches people off guard. suppose a sauron styule zerg...he'lll never make nothing more than lings. fotoning up and carriering is not bad either against zerg. carrier with proper back up is good. its bad against lings/ultras and scourge...but if you protect it well enough...u'll win easily.

and against terran. every heard of the stove? it can really put enemy in bad position. try it.




What the hell are you talking about?
are you saying pro gamer protoss players dont "mix it up" ?
wtf?
iD.Twisted
Profile Joined September 2002
Netherlands3102 Posts
June 11 2003 06:08 GMT
#34
Phanekim you are a newbie.
All you have to decide, is what to do with the time that is given to you
Wizzra
Profile Joined September 2002
Netherlands514 Posts
June 11 2003 09:17 GMT
#35
On June 11 2003 15:08 Twisted wrote:
Phanekim you are a newbie.


thanks for informing us
The responsibility of tolerance lies in those who have the wider vision.
rOm
Profile Joined December 2002
Latvia1208 Posts
June 11 2003 09:21 GMT
#36
On June 09 2003 15:03 ShAsTa wrote:
you're an idiot

Good point
My RSX owns yours.
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
June 11 2003 09:26 GMT
#37
On June 11 2003 07:48 Phanekim wrote:
the reason why toss lose is they dont do anything special.

if you followed great players like pillars (one of best tacticians imho) and gad....

people dont divert away from 2 gate. if you watched them play...they never did two gate. they did 1 gate to reaver...quick nexus. they sair/dt. they fotoned and carriered it up. there had to be 7-8 different build orders (more than any other race) that you can do effectively.

try it one time. 1 gate zealots and reaver. protect cliff on LT. then drop them. they'd have to fight it off with hydras...there's no way they can get to mutas in time...its proven unless they start off with quick muta in mind first.

then micro it. sure the cooldown is in play...but youc an really hurt them if you know how to micro it.

try dt/sair? its not great...but hey...sometimes it catches people off guard. suppose a sauron styule zerg...he'lll never make nothing more than lings. fotoning up and carriering is not bad either against zerg. carrier with proper back up is good. its bad against lings/ultras and scourge...but if you protect it well enough...u'll win easily.

and against terran. every heard of the stove? it can really put enemy in bad position. try it.


Watch nal_ra play, watch reach play (not as much as nal_ra), watch garimto, intotherain
Foreign top protosses usually doesn't mix it up that much. But that is because if you want to do a build you will almost always have to time it, which is something you do through playing, a lot I mean you can't just do different builds without timing them (trust me I know ).
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
MPXMX
Profile Joined December 2002
Canada4309 Posts
June 11 2003 13:13 GMT
#38
This thread is fucking quote wars.
Vicious)Soul
Profile Joined May 2003
United States857 Posts
Last Edited: 2003-06-11 13:23:43
June 11 2003 13:22 GMT
#39
I have rarely ever seen a korean progamer go 2 gate vs a pro zerg player on their level... And when I do, they generally lose. Rep to prove me wrong anyone?

Edit: Cheezes don't count... :p
it is a playful smile, like a cheerleader who likes male attention even tho shes actually a prude can-kniving bitch... - stimey
Bl[a]Ze
Profile Joined June 2003
Canada111 Posts
June 11 2003 13:25 GMT
#40
On June 11 2003 22:13 MPXMX wrote:
This thread is fucking quote wars.


ur stupid, QUOTE WARS! -.
I SEE YOU said the blind man to the deaf man -.-V
Prev 1 2 3 4 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 2h 44m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
elazer 374
ProTech123
JuggernautJason116
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 1409
Dewaltoss 84
NaDa 7
Dota 2
capcasts112
NeuroSwarm62
League of Legends
Doublelift3035
Other Games
summit1g8963
Grubby4453
singsing1735
shahzam483
FrodaN386
C9.Mang0226
crisheroes224
byalli208
Liquid`Hasu187
Livibee71
UpATreeSC63
ZombieGrub59
KnowMe47
ViBE31
Tefel19
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV201
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 39
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• 80smullet 36
• Michael_bg 13
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Counter-Strike
• imaqtpie933
• Shiphtur213
Other Games
• WagamamaTV422
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
2h 44m
CranKy Ducklings
12h 44m
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
17h 44m
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
21h 44m
eOnzErG vs Mihu
Messiah vs XuanXuan
Jaystar vs TerrOr
Dewalt vs Bonyth
eOnzErG vs XuanXuan
Mihu vs TerrOr
Messiah vs Bonyth
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 12h
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d 17h
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
1d 21h
Jaystar vs Dewalt
eOnzErG vs TerrOr
XuanXuan vs Bonyth
Mihu vs Dewalt
Messiah vs Jaystar
eOnzErG vs Bonyth
TerrOr vs Dewalt
Wardi Open
2 days
OSC
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
[ Show More ]
The PondCast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
OSC
6 days
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL Season 22
2026 GSL S2
Heroes Pulsing #1

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
CSCL: Masked Kings S4
YSL S3
Acropolis #4 - GSB
SCTL 2026 Spring
Maestros of the Game 2
WardiTV Spring 2026
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Murky Cup 2026
Heroes Pulsing #2
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1

Upcoming

BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
Douyu Cup 2026
Heroes Pulsing #3
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.