EPTactually Terran is the strongest race.
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Terranix
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ShAsTa
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Yarertz
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Grotfang
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2. Terran 3. Protoss "statistical research" maybe in the pro leagues terran looks good but to make a decent statistics you'd really have to research pro leagues (on all maps, so not just 1 league), wgtour, liquibition.. -> all available results | ||
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Grotfang
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Terranix
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notice how many world champian are Terran users, ass hole. | ||
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FrEaK[S.sIR]
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TD178
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i mean most of the top ..... the first 2 are Nada and Boxer theyr terran is as good as this smiley is fast  | ||
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BigBalls
United States5354 Posts
Well, you cant just be general and say one race is best, and you also cant break it into groups and say which race is best at each level. However, the two things that stick out in my mind in this debate are: 1. until very recently, progamers who use toss have had a very hard time. 2. there are rumors that chojja (arguably the best z in the world) is switching to terran. Im not saying anything about which race is best, but these 2 things stick out in my mind... oh yeah, dont even bother debating this, its all opinion, it will just turn into a big fight | ||
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Terranix
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ShAsTa
Belgium2841 Posts
*Naz wins TL-tournament *Nal_ra beat boxer in MBCGame Starleague Winners' Semi *... I think toss is doing better and better. ~~~~~~You can't say one race is better~~~~~~ | ||
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bASesinAtOR
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Terranix
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ReTrooper
Germany526 Posts
Otherwise it is nonsense. | ||
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no1important
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ShAsTa
Belgium2841 Posts
Sometimes the maps or the cost of upgrades etc... The point is: no race is better than an other. | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
Just look at this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=4021 Notice how close the winning percentages are? And after noticing that try to think about the amount of players for each race- and the 2 most dominating players at the moment happen to be terran so they give their race quite a boost wouldnt you think? | ||
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Terranix
China5 Posts
On June 09 2003 15:32 FrozenArbiter wrote: Teranix your argument is rather stupid.. Just look at this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=4021 Notice how close the winning percentages are? And after noticing that try to think about the amount of players for each race- and the 2 most dominating players at the moment happen to be terran so they give their race quite a boost wouldnt you think? yeah, u seem to be a little bit reasonable | ||
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FrEaK[S.sIR]
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Phanekim
United States777 Posts
But one person has to consider that at the very very elite levels...terran seem to be the dominant race. Top players play terran. Is it cuz the race is best or the top players play it. it would make more sense that the top players play it. why would a top player picka race taht would be to his disadvantage. with that said....terran seem to win the majority of the tournies. Toss seem to finish less out of the top echleon. I truly do think balance is needed despite the statistics. because those results were tabulated at an elite level...but at the elitist level...its all about terran. | ||
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Phanekim
United States777 Posts
t>z and z> p and t = p for most part...p has to be really creative to win...but slight edge might be to t. now you know why terran seem to have an adv. zerg not far behind. if blizz is to balance..they need to consider race to race matchups. | ||
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AK-Nemesis
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MPXMX
Canada4309 Posts
if there were no Boxer and Nada, zerg players would own the top of the ladder. What would you say then? Zerg is strongest race (just look at Yellow and Chojja)? Just because there are like 5 extremely talented terran players in the world who happen to own everyone else doesn't make terran the strongest race. Boxer and Nada are the main imbalances in the game, not the race. Yes. | ||
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n8f8
United Kingdom222 Posts
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Vicious)Soul
United States857 Posts
On June 09 2003 15:14 Terranix wrote: as you can see in lots TvP matchs, Protoss can never make it without desperatly making carriers. that's why blizzard was thinking to strengthen Protoss in the coming version of SC. They want to strengthen Protoss cuz there's a severe inbalance against zerg. Top protoss players have recently shown that they can do pretty dam nwell against terran ie ForU vs Nada. Plus, MPXMX is right, Nada and Boxer are the only terran players to be doing consistently well. Just cuz they're on top, doesn't mean the race is better. Look at who's advance in the OGN team leauges. An ALL ZERG soul team. | ||
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z7-RaiN
United States522 Posts
On June 09 2003 15:04 Yarertz wrote: haha lol form where are you? circus? ahahahahaha | ||
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Kobayashi
Portugal1970 Posts
as you can see in lots TvP matchs, Protoss can never make it without desperatly making carriers.[\QUOTE] Terrans can never make it without deseperatly making tanks too...nice point u made there | ||
Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
On June 09 2003 15:03 ShAsTa wrote: you're an idiot you're Belgian | ||
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Phanekim
United States777 Posts
if you followed great players like pillars (one of best tacticians imho) and gad.... people dont divert away from 2 gate. if you watched them play...they never did two gate. they did 1 gate to reaver...quick nexus. they sair/dt. they fotoned and carriered it up. there had to be 7-8 different build orders (more than any other race) that you can do effectively. try it one time. 1 gate zealots and reaver. protect cliff on LT. then drop them. they'd have to fight it off with hydras...there's no way they can get to mutas in time...its proven unless they start off with quick muta in mind first. then micro it. sure the cooldown is in play...but youc an really hurt them if you know how to micro it. try dt/sair? its not great...but hey...sometimes it catches people off guard. suppose a sauron styule zerg...he'lll never make nothing more than lings. fotoning up and carriering is not bad either against zerg. carrier with proper back up is good. its bad against lings/ultras and scourge...but if you protect it well enough...u'll win easily. and against terran. every heard of the stove? it can really put enemy in bad position. try it. | ||
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Imperium
United States614 Posts
was it really that funny? :'( | ||
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Grotfang
Belgium490 Posts
he's 14 too  | ||
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ShAsTa
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I'm not 14. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
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On June 11 2003 07:48 Phanekim wrote: the reason why toss lose is they dont do anything special. if you followed great players like pillars (one of best tacticians imho) and gad.... people dont divert away from 2 gate. if you watched them play...they never did two gate. they did 1 gate to reaver...quick nexus. they sair/dt. they fotoned and carriered it up. there had to be 7-8 different build orders (more than any other race) that you can do effectively. try it one time. 1 gate zealots and reaver. protect cliff on LT. then drop them. they'd have to fight it off with hydras...there's no way they can get to mutas in time...its proven unless they start off with quick muta in mind first. then micro it. sure the cooldown is in play...but youc an really hurt them if you know how to micro it. try dt/sair? its not great...but hey...sometimes it catches people off guard. suppose a sauron styule zerg...he'lll never make nothing more than lings. fotoning up and carriering is not bad either against zerg. carrier with proper back up is good. its bad against lings/ultras and scourge...but if you protect it well enough...u'll win easily. and against terran. every heard of the stove? it can really put enemy in bad position. try it. What the hell are you talking about? are you saying pro gamer protoss players dont "mix it up" ? wtf? | ||
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iD.Twisted
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Wizzra
Netherlands514 Posts
On June 11 2003 15:08 Twisted wrote: Phanekim you are a newbie. thanks for informing us  | ||
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rOm
Latvia1208 Posts
On June 09 2003 15:03 ShAsTa wrote: you're an idiot Good point | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On June 11 2003 07:48 Phanekim wrote: the reason why toss lose is they dont do anything special. if you followed great players like pillars (one of best tacticians imho) and gad.... people dont divert away from 2 gate. if you watched them play...they never did two gate. they did 1 gate to reaver...quick nexus. they sair/dt. they fotoned and carriered it up. there had to be 7-8 different build orders (more than any other race) that you can do effectively. try it one time. 1 gate zealots and reaver. protect cliff on LT. then drop them. they'd have to fight it off with hydras...there's no way they can get to mutas in time...its proven unless they start off with quick muta in mind first. then micro it. sure the cooldown is in play...but youc an really hurt them if you know how to micro it. try dt/sair? its not great...but hey...sometimes it catches people off guard. suppose a sauron styule zerg...he'lll never make nothing more than lings. fotoning up and carriering is not bad either against zerg. carrier with proper back up is good. its bad against lings/ultras and scourge...but if you protect it well enough...u'll win easily. and against terran. every heard of the stove? it can really put enemy in bad position. try it. Watch nal_ra play, watch reach play (not as much as nal_ra), watch garimto, intotherain  Foreign top protosses usually doesn't mix it up that much. But that is because if you want to do a build you will almost always have to time it, which is something you do through playing, a lot I mean you can't just do different builds without timing them (trust me I know ). | ||
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MPXMX
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Vicious)Soul
United States857 Posts
Edit: Cheezes don't count... :p | ||
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Bl[a]Ze
Canada111 Posts
On June 11 2003 22:13 MPXMX wrote: This thread is fucking quote wars. ur stupid, QUOTE WARS! -. | ||
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MPXMX
Canada4309 Posts
Burn in hell | ||
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iNcontroL88
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Klogon
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ToKoreaWithLove
Norway10161 Posts
On June 09 2003 15:06 Terranix wrote: notice how many world champian are Terran users, ass hole. OGN champions in no order (counting KoK); P(5): Grrr, Grrr, Garimto, Garimto, Reach T(4): Boxer, Boxer, Sync, NaDa Z(1): Yellow  | ||
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ToKoreaWithLove
Norway10161 Posts
On June 11 2003 22:22 Vicious)Soul wrote: I have rarely ever seen a korean progamer go 2 gate vs a pro zerg player on their level... And when I do, they generally lose. Rep to prove me wrong anyone? Edit: Cheezes don't count... :p Sonjjang;) | ||
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rK
United States371 Posts
"You don't pick the race, the race picks you" | ||
Liquid`Drone
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Artenus
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Napoleic
Canada356 Posts
Terran consistantly seemed to win the 'race wars' of Game-Q and gembc when they were run. Zerg has probably performed the most consistantly of all the races, winning I believe the most non-ogn major tournies and usually putting in the most competitors into a given tourney. There are compelling reasons to choose each race as the best based on record, and thats a compelling reason to accept they are pretty balanced. | ||
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ErOs_Probe
Netherlands680 Posts
Some maps favour zerg build orders and some maps favour toss air etc etc. It is 99% up to the player if he wins or not. If u say hey i lost because zvp on vahala is impossible I would disagree. Sure you will have a desadvantage if you use a regular build order. But if you micro and macro well with a strat tweaked to the map, there can only be a VERY VERY VERY slight advantage. oh and btw if there was a person in this world who would do the most crazy shit with his dragoons and zealots (and what so ever) would there still be 1000 topics called *toss sux* ? No cuz i never see a topic *terran sux* because terran has a player like boxer and many more. If you don't get it, try this: WHAT IF BOXER USED PROTOSS? | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
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) Won by Freemura 1999 I belive? | ||
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Eliminator
Netherlands681 Posts
On June 11 2003 22:22 Vicious)Soul wrote: I have rarely ever seen a korean progamer go 2 gate vs a pro zerg player on their level... And when I do, they generally lose. Rep to prove me wrong anyone? Edit: Cheezes don't count... :p What??? Do u know what ur talking about? I suggest u download all that u can find of garimto. Sure he didn't 2 gate always, but he fucking rocked with it for sure. | ||
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ErOs_Probe
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Eliminator
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STIMMY D OKMG FISH
United States31 Posts
first of all, statistics are crap, you dont include crap players to talk about what races can potentially do (yes this game DOES have numbers in there somewhere, this isnt the matrix where you can bend reality to your mind, although the mental aspect is a large part of it and can compensate for a great deal of blah blah that's the good part) do you think there's a reason that the most talented players in the world play terran? do you think that's just a coincidence? and you think protoss just have to mix it up more? you know why they don't? they cant fucking afford to against real players with solid strats. they'll get behind and die in more important things. you could _easily_ reduce many costs for protoss and it wouldn't even be imbalance on the maps people play now, up the larva rate a little and have a better game that wouldn't be any less "perfectly balanced" than you fanboys claim it is right now | ||
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Hitokiri
Spain306 Posts
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Vicious)Soul
United States857 Posts
On June 12 2003 11:57 Eliminator wrote: What??? Do u know what ur talking about? I suggest u download all that u can find of garimto. Sure he didn't 2 gate always, but he fucking rocked with it for sure. I have seen garimto reps, and I think he's amazing, but I haven't actually seen him play anyone I think is on his level. It's the same as the boxer analogy. Boxer and Nada are on top and they happen to be terran. Garimto was amazing in his prime and he happened to be toss... | ||
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suLTan[CaN]
Canada322 Posts
Intelligence: Gold..Terran Silver.. Protoss Bronze.. Zerg 100 Meter Dash: Gold..Protoss Silver..Zerg Bronze..Terran Boxing: Gold..Protoss Silver..Zerg Bronze..Terran Basketball: Gold..Protoss Silver..Terran Bronze..Zerg So the medal count goes as follows: Protoss: 3 Gold, 1 Silver Terran: 1 Gold, 1 Silver, 2 Bronze Zerg: 2 Silver, 2 Bronze adding up the scores, supposing gold = 3 points, silver = 2 and bronze = 1, we have: Protoss: 11 points Terran: 7 Points Zerg: 6 Points Which cleary, and surely, as any retard with a stick can understand this system, Protoss are #1, Terran are #2 and Zerg are #3 | ||
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x[ReaPeR]x
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rplant
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ErOs_Probe
Netherlands680 Posts
On June 12 2003 12:24 Eliminator wrote: No 12v3 1 gate gas is pure art. i mean your 2 gate 12v3 is art. | ||
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ErOs_Probe
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Eliminator
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ErOs_Probe
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