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IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32274 Posts
January 22 2014 14:28 GMT
#141
On January 22 2014 23:09 ICanFlyLow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2014 02:31 2Pacalypse- wrote:
customize keyboard shortcuts - i never understood why people are so adamantly against it

i agree with all your points too


The keys should remain the same, just as everyone should play with the same fotball in a fotball match .


protip: if you play the spanish, german or english version of Brood War, they have different settings. omg, op.
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thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5478 Posts
January 22 2014 14:32 GMT
#142
On January 22 2014 23:28 IntoTheWow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2014 23:09 ICanFlyLow wrote:
On January 22 2014 02:31 2Pacalypse- wrote:
customize keyboard shortcuts - i never understood why people are so adamantly against it

i agree with all your points too


The keys should remain the same, just as everyone should play with the same fotball in a fotball match .


protip: if you play the spanish, german or english version of Brood War, they have different settings. omg, op.

Which version has the hardest to use hotkeys?
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2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9497 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-22 14:39:55
January 22 2014 14:33 GMT
#143
On January 22 2014 23:09 ICanFlyLow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2014 02:31 2Pacalypse- wrote:
customize keyboard shortcuts - i never understood why people are so adamantly against it

i agree with all your points too


The keys should remain the same, just as everyone should play with the same fotball in a fotball match .

That comparison makes 0 sense.

On January 22 2014 23:32 thezanursic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2014 23:28 IntoTheWow wrote:
On January 22 2014 23:09 ICanFlyLow wrote:
On January 22 2014 02:31 2Pacalypse- wrote:
customize keyboard shortcuts - i never understood why people are so adamantly against it

i agree with all your points too


The keys should remain the same, just as everyone should play with the same fotball in a fotball match .


protip: if you play the spanish, german or english version of Brood War, they have different settings. omg, op.

Which version has the hardest to use hotkeys?

Germans have larvae on L and French have probes on S. Also, if I remember correctly Germans have messed up keys for marines/medics or something like that, cant remember exactly what now.
Moderator"We're a community of geniuses because we've found how to extract 95% of the feeling of doing something amazing without actually doing anything." - Chill
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
January 22 2014 14:57 GMT
#144
I've always played BW with a French keyboard layout. "A" and "Q" keys are switched, so it becomes much much easier to 1A2A3A4A.
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greenelve
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1392 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-22 15:29:19
January 22 2014 15:27 GMT
#145
I was about suggesting Scouts. >.>

...but fixing colors aka OS support seems to be the biggest thing.

On January 22 2014 23:57 endy wrote:
I've always played BW with a French keyboard layout. "A" and "Q" keys are switched, so it becomes much much easier to 1A2A3A4A.

I play with german keyboard layout. Means z and y are switched, makes it easier to build drones. L larvae and Z zerglings.
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diehilde
Profile Joined September 2008
Germany1596 Posts
January 22 2014 15:30 GMT
#146
On January 22 2014 05:54 ZenithM wrote:
Yeah, actually, hotkey bindings are the only thing keeping me from playing BW more intensively. I don't want to learn 2 sets of hotkeys switching back from SC2 to BW and vice versa, it would have been nice to just be able to set the hotkeys.

Since I noted there are a few people that would like the ability to change hotkeys and apparantely even some that are prevented from full enjoyment: Try Doxstar
Savior: "I will cheat everyone again in SC2!" - SCII Beta Tester
Plissken_2097
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Spain628 Posts
January 22 2014 17:10 GMT
#147
On January 22 2014 23:32 thezanursic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2014 23:28 IntoTheWow wrote:
On January 22 2014 23:09 ICanFlyLow wrote:
On January 22 2014 02:31 2Pacalypse- wrote:
customize keyboard shortcuts - i never understood why people are so adamantly against it

i agree with all your points too


The keys should remain the same, just as everyone should play with the same fotball in a fotball match .


protip: if you play the spanish, german or english version of Brood War, they have different settings. omg, op.

Which version has the hardest to use hotkeys?

I only have experience with the spanish one, from what I remember was like:

+ Show Spoiler +

Attack- A
Hold - T
Patrol - R

Drone - O
Overlord - S
ling/hydra/muta/ultra - zhmu
Scourge - A
Defiler - C

Marine - S
Firebat - M
Medic- C
Ghost - F
Tank- T
Goliath - G
Vulture - B
SCV - V

Probe - S
Zealot - F
Dragoon - D
Dark templar - R
High Templar - T
Carrier - T
Corsair - C/O?


Now that I think about it looks quite better than the english hotkeys. Switched from it long ago because the units voice acting was really corny.
Formerly Golondrin
jormal1ty
Profile Joined November 2011
Finland72 Posts
January 22 2014 18:43 GMT
#148
nerf carrierz
stream warrior
hp.Shell
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2527 Posts
January 22 2014 19:12 GMT
#149
I would add forcefields to protoss dts so Bisu would never lose.
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hellokitty[hk]
Profile Joined June 2009
United States1309 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-22 19:53:11
January 22 2014 19:52 GMT
#150
On January 23 2014 04:12 hp.Shell wrote:
I would add forcefields to protoss dts so Bisu would never lose.

I already said that learn2read.
Please add FF to BW.
People are imbeciles, lucky thing god made cats.
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
January 22 2014 20:24 GMT
#151
Well, I'll combine this with my power of retroactivity and use it to delete replays from existence. Fuck replays.
Never say Die! ||| Fight you? No, I want to kill you.
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
January 22 2014 21:39 GMT
#152
all i want is changes to the battlenet UI to make it more modern with even more functionality.

reading about remapped hotkeys scares me and arbitrary stat changes scares me.
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
January 22 2014 21:49 GMT
#153
On January 22 2014 01:49 vOdToasT wrote:
1. Units getting stuck

You know when you tell a unit to attack, and then you tell it to move, as it's shooting, and the target moved out of range? Sometimes the unit will get stuck, and you'll have to press "S" to release it. I know this can be avoided if you know what you're doing, but it's annoying and doesn't make the game any better. I'd take it out of the game completely.

2. Clicking on an icon to center the view on that unit / structure

If you have something selected that is not assigned to a hotkey, the only way to center your view on it is to click on its icon. But whenever a unit is produced, that unit's icon takes up the spot for a really really long time (instead of whatever you have selected). I would either shorten this time, or remove it completely, so that you can always center your view on what you have selected. It's pretty annoying when I'm trying to center my view on a barracks, so I can F4 that shit, and units keep finishing so that I can't.

3. Units always popping out below the building


This is a pretty serious flaw, because it either creates map imbalances, or forces map creators to limit themselves too much. If you could simply set a spawn point (like you can set a rally point) this would be solved. Protoss users could make a high templar from their gateway that is being shot at by hydralisks, no matter what start location they got. Terrans could wall of at all locations and not die to 4 pools, and so on.

Do you agree with my changes?


I hate these things as a player that wants to win, but I love these kinds of difficulties, whether they were intended or not, as a player that loves the game itself because (to me) it MAKES you appreciate and be in awe of great players who perform extremely technical rushes or beautiful crisp long management games.

When I was watching Starcraft for the first time when I was a kid, the game was amazing because it was a great spectator sport to watch, and the energy you could feel from the players and the casters and the game itself was addicting. When I played the game for the first time, the game became even more amazing when I realized just how difficult it was just to execute a seemingly simple opening, and it made me love the players and the games that I watched even more.

Fuck remapped hotkeys BW is perfect as is. <3
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9497 Posts
January 22 2014 21:49 GMT
#154
On January 23 2014 06:39 Gamegene wrote:
all i want is changes to the battlenet UI to make it more modern with even more functionality.

reading about remapped hotkeys scares me and arbitrary stat changes scares me.

Why do remapped hotkeys scare you? Various countries already have different hotkeys than an English version.
Moderator"We're a community of geniuses because we've found how to extract 95% of the feeling of doing something amazing without actually doing anything." - Chill
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
January 22 2014 22:01 GMT
#155
On January 23 2014 06:49 2Pacalypse- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2014 06:39 Gamegene wrote:
all i want is changes to the battlenet UI to make it more modern with even more functionality.

reading about remapped hotkeys scares me and arbitrary stat changes scares me.

Why do remapped hotkeys scare you? Various countries already have different hotkeys than an English version.


I like the current hotkeys, even though I do misclick a lot on pressing O for Siege Mode and clicking P for patrol kiting just because they force your hand to move across the keyboard and makes you consider how you want to have the most efficient hotkey set up.

Pressing 4M5M6M7M is just such a powerfully cool feeling that could never be satisified with the A key. Similarly I like using F2 F3 for building my SCVs instead of using 6+7 or 9+0 just beacuse it also feels awesome to move my hand up to the function row and hit S!

Even though it's small, being forced to spend the extra half second to move your fingers and reach for that P key or L key is just something I love about the game and wouldn't want to go away

If I was given the choice, I would probably change to a easier hotkey set up just so I could have more of an advantage in my games because I want to win as much as I can despite everything that I just said, which is why I'm scared that one day in the distant future Blizzard releases a remake with all the SC2 UI functionality and I become sad.
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20285 Posts
January 22 2014 22:54 GMT
#156
On January 22 2014 12:26 xAdra wrote:
Never got into pro BW scene much, but I am aware of the infamous Dragoon problems. I just wanna ask: what would happen if your strategy hinged on using 1 Dragoon for harassment/scouting, and he got stuck? In a pro game did they allow you a rematch?


The solution is: DON'T DO THAT AND LOSE

BW was a cruel mistress ;p
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9497 Posts
January 22 2014 23:09 GMT
#157
On January 23 2014 07:01 Gamegene wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2014 06:49 2Pacalypse- wrote:
On January 23 2014 06:39 Gamegene wrote:
all i want is changes to the battlenet UI to make it more modern with even more functionality.

reading about remapped hotkeys scares me and arbitrary stat changes scares me.

Why do remapped hotkeys scare you? Various countries already have different hotkeys than an English version.


I like the current hotkeys, even though I do misclick a lot on pressing O for Siege Mode and clicking P for patrol kiting just because they force your hand to move across the keyboard and makes you consider how you want to have the most efficient hotkey set up.

Pressing 4M5M6M7M is just such a powerfully cool feeling that could never be satisified with the A key. Similarly I like using F2 F3 for building my SCVs instead of using 6+7 or 9+0 just beacuse it also feels awesome to move my hand up to the function row and hit S!

Even though it's small, being forced to spend the extra half second to move your fingers and reach for that P key or L key is just something I love about the game and wouldn't want to go away

If I was given the choice, I would probably change to a easier hotkey set up just so I could have more of an advantage in my games because I want to win as much as I can despite everything that I just said, which is why I'm scared that one day in the distant future Blizzard releases a remake with all the SC2 UI functionality and I become sad.

Uhm, no one would force you to have different hotkeys. Nothing would be taken away from you, while players switching from SC2, those with small hands or for whatever other reason would be able to customize hotkeys to their liking.
Moderator"We're a community of geniuses because we've found how to extract 95% of the feeling of doing something amazing without actually doing anything." - Chill
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11390 Posts
January 22 2014 23:24 GMT
#158
On January 23 2014 05:24 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Well, I'll combine this with my power of retroactivity and use it to delete replays from existence. Fuck replays.

Replays are the best.

It'd be even better if replays had been leaked more often, especially nowadays as there is nothing to hide.
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RageCommodore
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany912 Posts
January 23 2014 09:39 GMT
#159
On a scale of one to ten, how imba would Ghosts become if the had snipe as an ability (they have that in sc2)?
I'm probably not the only one that has trouble making them usable in any strat.

Other change would be to either incease the projectile speed or cast range of emp.


On a completely unrelated note: can somebody tell me if there's gonna be another Gambit Cup at all? The rebirth of Korean BW seems to have killed the foreign efforts to an extent (sorry if some other Teamleague has been announced but I probably didn't notice since I was away from TL for a year or so).
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Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
January 23 2014 09:43 GMT
#160
On January 23 2014 18:39 RageCommodore wrote:
On a scale of one to ten, how imba would Ghosts become if the had snipe as an ability (they have that in sc2)?
I'm probably not the only one that has trouble making them usable in any strat.

Other change would be to either incease the projectile speed or cast range of emp.


On a completely unrelated note: can somebody tell me if there's gonna be another Gambit Cup at all? The rebirth of Korean BW seems to have killed the foreign efforts to an extent (sorry if some other Teamleague has been announced but I probably didn't notice since I was away from TL for a year or so).

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430924#1
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