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On December 04 2013 10:14 SC2BF3Love wrote:
i have a question being ignorant here, if savior did this a couple a years a go... what does it matter if he plays now? does he still matchfix games?
I don't think he can. Because he probably has a lot of people watching on him, and he isn't playing competitively anymore, except for some showmatches - and I think that one in China was kinda like the first since the scandal.
sAviOr won the special treatment missed by those who match fixed during TSL 2, he's hated for the centuries to come.
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
On December 04 2013 10:34 lemmata wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 10:13 Rekrul wrote:On December 04 2013 10:09 lemmata wrote:On December 04 2013 10:05 Rekrul wrote:On December 04 2013 08:56 lemmata wrote:On December 04 2013 07:32 figq wrote:
Lol, I remembered that I've seen apology by Savior and was wondering why people these days kept repeating he never apologized... but I didn't care enough to dig it up or argue about that. I mean, haters gonna hate, they'll just think of something else. People who aren't Savior crazies can read the spoiler for the truth about the so-called apology and have a laugh about how uninformed those Savior crazies are. Savior crazies can ignore it. It won't make a difference to you guys anyways. + Show Spoiler +Savior's so-called apology and my running commentary follows after each paragraph. I am guessing the Savior crazies 1) didn't read the text of the apology, 2) don't know the facts of court case, 3) think that any letter that starts with "I apologize" is an actual apology, 4) or all of the above. The long commentary on third paragraph is the relevant one. The others are sort of secondary.
Hello. It's me, Savior.
First of, I am bowing my head and apologize to the fans, to everyone who loved eSports, and people related to eSports, for disappointing them with my ignorant actions. As someone who has felt a lot of responsibility related to eSports, I would like to admit to my mistakes, and while it's late, confess my mistakes to everyone who has trusted me.
Summary of paragraph: He apologizes for his "mistakes", without specifying what those mistakes are. This will become important later in this "apology" letter.
In order to achieve my goal as a progamer, I dropped out of school in my second to last year of Highschool and came up to Seoul by myself. And I had become a progamer and even up to a few months ago, was active under my previous team. Whether or not my records were good or bad, I only thought about the game. Even when my records were so bad that everyone suspected me, in order to reclaim my glory, I concentrated solely on gaming other than the 5 hours a day where I slept. The game was my entire life. But now, due to making a wrong choice at one moment, I have to accept that I have to give up my life as a gamer.
Summary of paragraph: Pity-seeking by talking about his previous hard work and humble beginnings. It's not a good sign when you start saying stuff like this immediately. The pity party is followed by the disgusting revisionist history that follows. Also, as pointed out brilliantly by Stratos, he writes that last sentence about giving up his life as a gamer and has the nerve to do the things he has done since then.
Around last September, there were rumors between the gamers that there were betting sites with match fixing. It is true that I have received several offers through my mini homepage. The offers were really sweet, but because they do not help my career, I have clearly delivered the message that I would not participate in such an act. But the problem is that I told my friends without reserve, and in the end had a bad influence on them. For this, I will acknowledge my mistake and I apologize from the bottom of my heart.
Summary of paragraph: This is the key paragraph. Look at how he prevaricates about his actual role in the match-fixing. He tries to look good by saying by telling this fairy tale that he resisted the temptation to fix matches but simply made a light mistake of passing on this information to his friends. The fact that he actively recruited and repeatedly pressured these guys is part of the court testimony that convicted him. Here he is making it sound as if all he did was say, "Hey, did you know that you can make $5000 if you fix a match?" and went about his own way. Hwasin testified that Savior kept asking him to fix matches after he first expressed indecisiveness about the offer. (edit: it wasn't an outright refusal). According to Hwasin, Savior went as far as telling a story about one of Savior's friends losing a lot of money because of Hwasin's earlier loss in which Savior told Hwasin about Leta's build order, pressuring him into fixing another game. When questioned about these events in trial Savior said that he "couldn't remember" if he had made offers to Hwasin after the initial refusal. The evidence in the trial also says that Savior often played the role of transferring payments to other match-fixers and there was a long record of financial transactions to prove this. Savior went about this like a member of organized crime, even going as far as to devising a system of making cash payments in $50 increments to avoid detection instead of using lump-sum bank transfers like the other broker (Mr. Won). This FUCKING ASSHOLE has the gall to pretend that all he did was pass on some news about match-fixing opportunities? This is supposed to be a fucking apology? This isn't the end of it by any means. Savior even took the match-fixing reward that was to be paid to DArKeLf and took it for himself. The fucker didn't even have the so-called honor among thieves. An apology that fucking covers up his vast and deep involvement in the criminal enterprise? That's not an apology, that's a fucking press release.
In addition, I would like to explain my position and why I waited so long to clear up my position.
Last May, I was in the hospital for a month due to surgery on my knees. But because the situation started getting serious, I contacted a certain reporter and the reporter visited me and there was an interview. In contrast of the articles that were published, I told him everything I knew about match fixing and that I wasn't away without leave from the dormatories.
Summary of paragraph: Pity party! My knee hurts.
After the interview, I felt as if I had gotten a load off my mind, and I waited for the article to appear. However, even though I waited for a week, the article that expressed my position didn't come out, and time kept passing.
Summary of paragraph: He's essentially saying that the press isn't telling his side of the story, which, when combined with his sanitized version of the crimes in the third paragraph, is supposed to suggest that he didn't do all the stuff that the press is reporting that he actually did (and evidence in trial proved that he did).
After that, I became a coward who couldn't even read the comments on the internet, and thought that if time will pass, I will be forgotten. However, because of me, my old school's homepage was terrorized with malicious content and many people who has helped me has gotten hurt. And most of all, because I have hurt my parents and my fans, I thought that I could no longer run away from reality.
Summary of paragraph: Pity party! Bad stuff happening to me and people around me!
If my thoughts were proper back then, some of my friends wouldn't have gotten stuck in that bad road, and those friends, whose lives were about the game, would still be active in the scene. Because of this, I am regretting this even more and I am posting this message of apology.
I'm sorry. I'm really sorry.
Summary of paragraph: He's really "sorry". He's really sorry that bad things happened. Uh huh, you are sorry for just "telling" your friends about the match-fixing opportunities?
Once again, I want to apologize to everyone who has been disappointed about me, and I will atone on the fact that I have caused a lot of criticism in society. I bow my head and apologize from the bottom of my heart
- Savior.
Summary of paragraph: Variations of "I apologize".
So what did he actually do in this non-apology? 1) Said that he's "sorry". Okay good start. 2) Tried to generate pity for himself with content irrelevant to the match-fixing scandal. 3) Pretty much lied about his vast role in the match-fixing scandal by sugar-coating it in a language that makes it seem as if all he did was pass on the news that people could make money from match-fixing.4) Indirectly suggested that the press is not telling "his side", when "his side" is the made up fairy tale that he spins in the third paragraph. 5) Said that he's "sorry". Meaningless filler intended to trick you into thinking that this is a real apology. Fuck yeah, that's a great "apology". I guess us sane people can wonder what makes people either blind-and-deaf or so confident about speaking on issues that they have little knowledge about because they read a headline. sane ppl wouldn't waste time trying to pick apart an obviously contrived apology It's a little fun at the expense of crazies who insist that this is a real apology. Feeling edgy and cool today? ur just embarrassed that u were wrong about savior not apologizing now you'll do anything you can to try and feel like you were right all along Except you're making shit up cool guy. I wasn't the one who said that he didn't make an apology. Looking back in the thread, I find that you were responding to some other person who said that there was no apology by saying that a fake apology is bad. To which, I agree that a fake apology is worse than no apology and list the things that Savior has done that are even worse than a fake apology. Nowhere do I claim that Savior didn't make any nominal apology. My posts have consistently pointed to his unrepentant actions rather than to lack of an apology. Oh I forgot, cool guys don't read. They quickly scan and make snippy sarcastic comments. Nice try cool guy. Don't worry, you'll always be cool and edgy in my heart. That shit's so sexy.
i'm just incredibly disappointed in my boy savior, in the few times we drank together he seemed cooler than that. match fixing i can understand but fake apologies is the lowest of low
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On December 04 2013 08:56 lemmata wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 07:32 figq wrote:
Lol, I remembered that I've seen apology by Savior and was wondering why people these days kept repeating he never apologized... but I didn't care enough to dig it up or argue about that. I mean, haters gonna hate, they'll just think of something else. People who aren't Savior crazies can read the spoiler for the truth about the so-called apology and have a laugh about how uninformed those Savior crazies are. Savior crazies can ignore it. It won't make a difference to you guys anyways. + Show Spoiler +Savior's so-called apology and my running commentary follows after each paragraph. I am guessing the Savior crazies 1) didn't read the text of the apology, 2) don't know the facts of court case, 3) think that any letter that starts with "I apologize" is an actual apology, 4) or all of the above. The long commentary on third paragraph is the relevant one. The others are sort of secondary.
Hello. It's me, Savior.
First of, I am bowing my head and apologize to the fans, to everyone who loved eSports, and people related to eSports, for disappointing them with my ignorant actions. As someone who has felt a lot of responsibility related to eSports, I would like to admit to my mistakes, and while it's late, confess my mistakes to everyone who has trusted me.
Summary of paragraph: He apologizes for his "mistakes", without specifying what those mistakes are. This will become important later in this "apology" letter.
In order to achieve my goal as a progamer, I dropped out of school in my second to last year of Highschool and came up to Seoul by myself. And I had become a progamer and even up to a few months ago, was active under my previous team. Whether or not my records were good or bad, I only thought about the game. Even when my records were so bad that everyone suspected me, in order to reclaim my glory, I concentrated solely on gaming other than the 5 hours a day where I slept. The game was my entire life. But now, due to making a wrong choice at one moment, I have to accept that I have to give up my life as a gamer.
Summary of paragraph: Pity-seeking by talking about his previous hard work and humble beginnings. It's not a good sign when you start saying stuff like this immediately. The pity party is followed by the disgusting revisionist history that follows. Also, as pointed out brilliantly by Stratos, he writes that last sentence about giving up his life as a gamer and has the nerve to do the things he has done since then.
Around last September, there were rumors between the gamers that there were betting sites with match fixing. It is true that I have received several offers through my mini homepage. The offers were really sweet, but because they do not help my career, I have clearly delivered the message that I would not participate in such an act. But the problem is that I told my friends without reserve, and in the end had a bad influence on them. For this, I will acknowledge my mistake and I apologize from the bottom of my heart.
Summary of paragraph: This is the key paragraph. Look at how he prevaricates about his actual role in the match-fixing. He tries to look good by saying by telling this fairy tale that he resisted the temptation to fix matches but simply made a light mistake of passing on this information to his friends. The fact that he actively recruited and repeatedly pressured these guys is part of the court testimony that convicted him. Here he is making it sound as if all he did was say, "Hey, did you know that you can make $5000 if you fix a match?" and went about his own way. Hwasin testified that Savior kept asking him to fix matches after he first expressed indecisiveness about the offer. (edit: it wasn't an outright refusal). According to Hwasin, Savior went as far as telling a story about one of Savior's friends losing a lot of money because of Hwasin's earlier loss in which Savior told Hwasin about Leta's build order, pressuring him into fixing another game. When questioned about these events in trial Savior said that he "couldn't remember" if he had made offers to Hwasin after the initial refusal. The evidence in the trial also says that Savior often played the role of transferring payments to other match-fixers and there was a long record of financial transactions to prove this. Savior went about this like a member of organized crime, even going as far as to devising a system of making cash payments in $50 increments to avoid detection instead of using lump-sum bank transfers like the other broker (Mr. Won). This FUCKING ASSHOLE has the gall to pretend that all he did was pass on some news about match-fixing opportunities? This is supposed to be a fucking apology? This isn't the end of it by any means. Savior even took the match-fixing reward that was to be paid to DArKeLf and took it for himself. The fucker didn't even have the so-called honor among thieves. An apology that fucking covers up his vast and deep involvement in the criminal enterprise? That's not an apology, that's a fucking press release.
In addition, I would like to explain my position and why I waited so long to clear up my position.
Last May, I was in the hospital for a month due to surgery on my knees. But because the situation started getting serious, I contacted a certain reporter and the reporter visited me and there was an interview. In contrast of the articles that were published, I told him everything I knew about match fixing and that I wasn't away without leave from the dormatories.
Summary of paragraph: Pity party! My knee hurts.
After the interview, I felt as if I had gotten a load off my mind, and I waited for the article to appear. However, even though I waited for a week, the article that expressed my position didn't come out, and time kept passing.
Summary of paragraph: He's essentially saying that the press isn't telling his side of the story, which, when combined with his sanitized version of the crimes in the third paragraph, is supposed to suggest that he didn't do all the stuff that the press is reporting that he actually did (and evidence in trial proved that he did).
After that, I became a coward who couldn't even read the comments on the internet, and thought that if time will pass, I will be forgotten. However, because of me, my old school's homepage was terrorized with malicious content and many people who has helped me has gotten hurt. And most of all, because I have hurt my parents and my fans, I thought that I could no longer run away from reality.
Summary of paragraph: Pity party! Bad stuff happening to me and people around me!
If my thoughts were proper back then, some of my friends wouldn't have gotten stuck in that bad road, and those friends, whose lives were about the game, would still be active in the scene. Because of this, I am regretting this even more and I am posting this message of apology.
I'm sorry. I'm really sorry.
Summary of paragraph: He's really "sorry". He's really sorry that bad things happened. Uh huh, you are sorry for just "telling" your friends about the match-fixing opportunities?
Once again, I want to apologize to everyone who has been disappointed about me, and I will atone on the fact that I have caused a lot of criticism in society. I bow my head and apologize from the bottom of my heart
- Savior.
Summary of paragraph: Variations of "I apologize".
So what did he actually do in this non-apology? 1) Said that he's "sorry". Okay good start. 2) Tried to generate pity for himself with content irrelevant to the match-fixing scandal. 3) Pretty much lied about his vast role in the match-fixing scandal by sugar-coating it in a language that makes it seem as if all he did was pass on the news that people could make money from match-fixing.4) Indirectly suggested that the press is not telling "his side", when "his side" is the made up fairy tale that he spins in the third paragraph. 5) Said that he's "sorry". Meaningless filler intended to trick you into thinking that this is a real apology. Fuck yeah, that's a great "apology". I guess us sane people can wonder what makes people either blind-and-deaf or so confident about speaking on issues that they have little knowledge about because they read a headline.
I would like to revise my original position of neutrality. He was a liar and a criminal who took every scrap of his moral fiber and used it to wipe his ass after he was done pulling that apology out of it.
Destroying this tournament because of this would be cutting off our nose to spite our face (actually probably more like cutting off our face to spite our nose, given the damage that would deal), but I'll still feel pretty sad for every person that still supports Savior and knows these facts.
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On December 04 2013 10:45 Rekrul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 10:34 lemmata wrote:On December 04 2013 10:13 Rekrul wrote:On December 04 2013 10:09 lemmata wrote:On December 04 2013 10:05 Rekrul wrote:On December 04 2013 08:56 lemmata wrote:On December 04 2013 07:32 figq wrote:
Lol, I remembered that I've seen apology by Savior and was wondering why people these days kept repeating he never apologized... but I didn't care enough to dig it up or argue about that. I mean, haters gonna hate, they'll just think of something else. People who aren't Savior crazies can read the spoiler for the truth about the so-called apology and have a laugh about how uninformed those Savior crazies are. Savior crazies can ignore it. It won't make a difference to you guys anyways. + Show Spoiler +Savior's so-called apology and my running commentary follows after each paragraph. I am guessing the Savior crazies 1) didn't read the text of the apology, 2) don't know the facts of court case, 3) think that any letter that starts with "I apologize" is an actual apology, 4) or all of the above. The long commentary on third paragraph is the relevant one. The others are sort of secondary.
Hello. It's me, Savior.
First of, I am bowing my head and apologize to the fans, to everyone who loved eSports, and people related to eSports, for disappointing them with my ignorant actions. As someone who has felt a lot of responsibility related to eSports, I would like to admit to my mistakes, and while it's late, confess my mistakes to everyone who has trusted me.
Summary of paragraph: He apologizes for his "mistakes", without specifying what those mistakes are. This will become important later in this "apology" letter.
In order to achieve my goal as a progamer, I dropped out of school in my second to last year of Highschool and came up to Seoul by myself. And I had become a progamer and even up to a few months ago, was active under my previous team. Whether or not my records were good or bad, I only thought about the game. Even when my records were so bad that everyone suspected me, in order to reclaim my glory, I concentrated solely on gaming other than the 5 hours a day where I slept. The game was my entire life. But now, due to making a wrong choice at one moment, I have to accept that I have to give up my life as a gamer.
Summary of paragraph: Pity-seeking by talking about his previous hard work and humble beginnings. It's not a good sign when you start saying stuff like this immediately. The pity party is followed by the disgusting revisionist history that follows. Also, as pointed out brilliantly by Stratos, he writes that last sentence about giving up his life as a gamer and has the nerve to do the things he has done since then.
Around last September, there were rumors between the gamers that there were betting sites with match fixing. It is true that I have received several offers through my mini homepage. The offers were really sweet, but because they do not help my career, I have clearly delivered the message that I would not participate in such an act. But the problem is that I told my friends without reserve, and in the end had a bad influence on them. For this, I will acknowledge my mistake and I apologize from the bottom of my heart.
Summary of paragraph: This is the key paragraph. Look at how he prevaricates about his actual role in the match-fixing. He tries to look good by saying by telling this fairy tale that he resisted the temptation to fix matches but simply made a light mistake of passing on this information to his friends. The fact that he actively recruited and repeatedly pressured these guys is part of the court testimony that convicted him. Here he is making it sound as if all he did was say, "Hey, did you know that you can make $5000 if you fix a match?" and went about his own way. Hwasin testified that Savior kept asking him to fix matches after he first expressed indecisiveness about the offer. (edit: it wasn't an outright refusal). According to Hwasin, Savior went as far as telling a story about one of Savior's friends losing a lot of money because of Hwasin's earlier loss in which Savior told Hwasin about Leta's build order, pressuring him into fixing another game. When questioned about these events in trial Savior said that he "couldn't remember" if he had made offers to Hwasin after the initial refusal. The evidence in the trial also says that Savior often played the role of transferring payments to other match-fixers and there was a long record of financial transactions to prove this. Savior went about this like a member of organized crime, even going as far as to devising a system of making cash payments in $50 increments to avoid detection instead of using lump-sum bank transfers like the other broker (Mr. Won). This FUCKING ASSHOLE has the gall to pretend that all he did was pass on some news about match-fixing opportunities? This is supposed to be a fucking apology? This isn't the end of it by any means. Savior even took the match-fixing reward that was to be paid to DArKeLf and took it for himself. The fucker didn't even have the so-called honor among thieves. An apology that fucking covers up his vast and deep involvement in the criminal enterprise? That's not an apology, that's a fucking press release.
In addition, I would like to explain my position and why I waited so long to clear up my position.
Last May, I was in the hospital for a month due to surgery on my knees. But because the situation started getting serious, I contacted a certain reporter and the reporter visited me and there was an interview. In contrast of the articles that were published, I told him everything I knew about match fixing and that I wasn't away without leave from the dormatories.
Summary of paragraph: Pity party! My knee hurts.
After the interview, I felt as if I had gotten a load off my mind, and I waited for the article to appear. However, even though I waited for a week, the article that expressed my position didn't come out, and time kept passing.
Summary of paragraph: He's essentially saying that the press isn't telling his side of the story, which, when combined with his sanitized version of the crimes in the third paragraph, is supposed to suggest that he didn't do all the stuff that the press is reporting that he actually did (and evidence in trial proved that he did).
After that, I became a coward who couldn't even read the comments on the internet, and thought that if time will pass, I will be forgotten. However, because of me, my old school's homepage was terrorized with malicious content and many people who has helped me has gotten hurt. And most of all, because I have hurt my parents and my fans, I thought that I could no longer run away from reality.
Summary of paragraph: Pity party! Bad stuff happening to me and people around me!
If my thoughts were proper back then, some of my friends wouldn't have gotten stuck in that bad road, and those friends, whose lives were about the game, would still be active in the scene. Because of this, I am regretting this even more and I am posting this message of apology.
I'm sorry. I'm really sorry.
Summary of paragraph: He's really "sorry". He's really sorry that bad things happened. Uh huh, you are sorry for just "telling" your friends about the match-fixing opportunities?
Once again, I want to apologize to everyone who has been disappointed about me, and I will atone on the fact that I have caused a lot of criticism in society. I bow my head and apologize from the bottom of my heart
- Savior.
Summary of paragraph: Variations of "I apologize".
So what did he actually do in this non-apology? 1) Said that he's "sorry". Okay good start. 2) Tried to generate pity for himself with content irrelevant to the match-fixing scandal. 3) Pretty much lied about his vast role in the match-fixing scandal by sugar-coating it in a language that makes it seem as if all he did was pass on the news that people could make money from match-fixing.4) Indirectly suggested that the press is not telling "his side", when "his side" is the made up fairy tale that he spins in the third paragraph. 5) Said that he's "sorry". Meaningless filler intended to trick you into thinking that this is a real apology. Fuck yeah, that's a great "apology". I guess us sane people can wonder what makes people either blind-and-deaf or so confident about speaking on issues that they have little knowledge about because they read a headline. sane ppl wouldn't waste time trying to pick apart an obviously contrived apology It's a little fun at the expense of crazies who insist that this is a real apology. Feeling edgy and cool today? ur just embarrassed that u were wrong about savior not apologizing now you'll do anything you can to try and feel like you were right all along Except you're making shit up cool guy. I wasn't the one who said that he didn't make an apology. Looking back in the thread, I find that you were responding to some other person who said that there was no apology by saying that a fake apology is bad. To which, I agree that a fake apology is worse than no apology and list the things that Savior has done that are even worse than a fake apology. Nowhere do I claim that Savior didn't make any nominal apology. My posts have consistently pointed to his unrepentant actions rather than to lack of an apology. Oh I forgot, cool guys don't read. They quickly scan and make snippy sarcastic comments. Nice try cool guy. Don't worry, you'll always be cool and edgy in my heart. That shit's so sexy. i'm just incredibly disappointed in my boy savior, in the few times we drank together he seemed cooler than that. match fixing i can understand but fake apologies is the lowest of low
Who knows, maybe it wasn't fake and he was actually sorry for what he did. Of course that would be even more disappointing.
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People on this thread are so ridiculuosly angry on whatever side they are on. This reminds me why I don't really want to engage in BW section. Quite sad that when I played BW I didn't even know there was a scene for it. It may have looked better back in the day.
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TLADT24920 Posts
On December 04 2013 15:04 Wildmoon wrote:
People on this thread are so ridiculuosly angry on whatever side they are on. This reminds me why I don't really want to engage in BW section. Quite sad that when I played BW I didn't even know there was a scene for it. It may have looked better back in the day.
I wouldn't use it as an indication of the BW section. People's emotions seem to get riled up whenever savior is mentioned. This is one of those situations where the BW section is split on just how far Savior should be punished or if he has already. As you can tell, there are those completely opposed to him even touching the game while others feel he was punished enough for what he did and that he should get a second chance. It makes for an interesting read lol. I wonder if this will still be the case 5 years or more down the line though.
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On December 04 2013 16:42 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 15:04 Wildmoon wrote:
People on this thread are so ridiculuosly angry on whatever side they are on. This reminds me why I don't really want to engage in BW section. Quite sad that when I played BW I didn't even know there was a scene for it. It may have looked better back in the day. I wouldn't use it as an indication of the BW section. People's emotions seem to get riled up whenever savior is mentioned. This is one of those situations where the BW section is split on just how far Savior should be punished or if he has already. As you can tell, there are those completely opposed to him even touching the game while others feel he was punished enough for what he did and that he should get a second chance. It makes for an interesting read lol. I wonder if this will still be the case 5 years or more down the line though.
Probably. If I met a Flash fan irl who wanted to discuss the Nate MSL debacle, it would probably result in fisticuffs.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES51638 Posts
On December 04 2013 18:18 Elroi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 16:42 BigFan wrote:On December 04 2013 15:04 Wildmoon wrote:
People on this thread are so ridiculuosly angry on whatever side they are on. This reminds me why I don't really want to engage in BW section. Quite sad that when I played BW I didn't even know there was a scene for it. It may have looked better back in the day. I wouldn't use it as an indication of the BW section. People's emotions seem to get riled up whenever savior is mentioned. This is one of those situations where the BW section is split on just how far Savior should be punished or if he has already. As you can tell, there are those completely opposed to him even touching the game while others feel he was punished enough for what he did and that he should get a second chance. It makes for an interesting read lol. I wonder if this will still be the case 5 years or more down the line though. Probably. If I met a Flash fan irl, it would probably result in fisticuffs.
I don't know why but I thought I'd fix this.
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o kespa im surprised you waited a whole two days to do this
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On December 04 2013 18:18 Elroi wrote:
Probably. If I met a Flash fan irl who wanted to discuss the Nate MSL debacle, it would probably result in fisticuffs.
Right behind you buddy!
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If I ever meet Bisu irl, i'll ask him about his Golden Mouse.
On December 04 2013 18:18 Elroi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 16:42 BigFan wrote:On December 04 2013 15:04 Wildmoon wrote:
People on this thread are so ridiculuosly angry on whatever side they are on. This reminds me why I don't really want to engage in BW section. Quite sad that when I played BW I didn't even know there was a scene for it. It may have looked better back in the day. I wouldn't use it as an indication of the BW section. People's emotions seem to get riled up whenever savior is mentioned. This is one of those situations where the BW section is split on just how far Savior should be punished or if he has already. As you can tell, there are those completely opposed to him even touching the game while others feel he was punished enough for what he did and that he should get a second chance. It makes for an interesting read lol. I wonder if this will still be the case 5 years or more down the line though. Probably. If I met a Flash fan irl who wanted to discuss the Nate MSL debacle, it would probably result in fisticuffs.
I doubt that lol
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On December 04 2013 10:45 Rekrul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 10:34 lemmata wrote:On December 04 2013 10:13 Rekrul wrote:On December 04 2013 10:09 lemmata wrote:On December 04 2013 10:05 Rekrul wrote:On December 04 2013 08:56 lemmata wrote:On December 04 2013 07:32 figq wrote:
Lol, I remembered that I've seen apology by Savior and was wondering why people these days kept repeating he never apologized... but I didn't care enough to dig it up or argue about that. I mean, haters gonna hate, they'll just think of something else. People who aren't Savior crazies can read the spoiler for the truth about the so-called apology and have a laugh about how uninformed those Savior crazies are. Savior crazies can ignore it. It won't make a difference to you guys anyways. + Show Spoiler +Savior's so-called apology and my running commentary follows after each paragraph. I am guessing the Savior crazies 1) didn't read the text of the apology, 2) don't know the facts of court case, 3) think that any letter that starts with "I apologize" is an actual apology, 4) or all of the above. The long commentary on third paragraph is the relevant one. The others are sort of secondary.
Hello. It's me, Savior.
First of, I am bowing my head and apologize to the fans, to everyone who loved eSports, and people related to eSports, for disappointing them with my ignorant actions. As someone who has felt a lot of responsibility related to eSports, I would like to admit to my mistakes, and while it's late, confess my mistakes to everyone who has trusted me.
Summary of paragraph: He apologizes for his "mistakes", without specifying what those mistakes are. This will become important later in this "apology" letter.
In order to achieve my goal as a progamer, I dropped out of school in my second to last year of Highschool and came up to Seoul by myself. And I had become a progamer and even up to a few months ago, was active under my previous team. Whether or not my records were good or bad, I only thought about the game. Even when my records were so bad that everyone suspected me, in order to reclaim my glory, I concentrated solely on gaming other than the 5 hours a day where I slept. The game was my entire life. But now, due to making a wrong choice at one moment, I have to accept that I have to give up my life as a gamer.
Summary of paragraph: Pity-seeking by talking about his previous hard work and humble beginnings. It's not a good sign when you start saying stuff like this immediately. The pity party is followed by the disgusting revisionist history that follows. Also, as pointed out brilliantly by Stratos, he writes that last sentence about giving up his life as a gamer and has the nerve to do the things he has done since then.
Around last September, there were rumors between the gamers that there were betting sites with match fixing. It is true that I have received several offers through my mini homepage. The offers were really sweet, but because they do not help my career, I have clearly delivered the message that I would not participate in such an act. But the problem is that I told my friends without reserve, and in the end had a bad influence on them. For this, I will acknowledge my mistake and I apologize from the bottom of my heart.
Summary of paragraph: This is the key paragraph. Look at how he prevaricates about his actual role in the match-fixing. He tries to look good by saying by telling this fairy tale that he resisted the temptation to fix matches but simply made a light mistake of passing on this information to his friends. The fact that he actively recruited and repeatedly pressured these guys is part of the court testimony that convicted him. Here he is making it sound as if all he did was say, "Hey, did you know that you can make $5000 if you fix a match?" and went about his own way. Hwasin testified that Savior kept asking him to fix matches after he first expressed indecisiveness about the offer. (edit: it wasn't an outright refusal). According to Hwasin, Savior went as far as telling a story about one of Savior's friends losing a lot of money because of Hwasin's earlier loss in which Savior told Hwasin about Leta's build order, pressuring him into fixing another game. When questioned about these events in trial Savior said that he "couldn't remember" if he had made offers to Hwasin after the initial refusal. The evidence in the trial also says that Savior often played the role of transferring payments to other match-fixers and there was a long record of financial transactions to prove this. Savior went about this like a member of organized crime, even going as far as to devising a system of making cash payments in $50 increments to avoid detection instead of using lump-sum bank transfers like the other broker (Mr. Won). This FUCKING ASSHOLE has the gall to pretend that all he did was pass on some news about match-fixing opportunities? This is supposed to be a fucking apology? This isn't the end of it by any means. Savior even took the match-fixing reward that was to be paid to DArKeLf and took it for himself. The fucker didn't even have the so-called honor among thieves. An apology that fucking covers up his vast and deep involvement in the criminal enterprise? That's not an apology, that's a fucking press release.
In addition, I would like to explain my position and why I waited so long to clear up my position.
Last May, I was in the hospital for a month due to surgery on my knees. But because the situation started getting serious, I contacted a certain reporter and the reporter visited me and there was an interview. In contrast of the articles that were published, I told him everything I knew about match fixing and that I wasn't away without leave from the dormatories.
Summary of paragraph: Pity party! My knee hurts.
After the interview, I felt as if I had gotten a load off my mind, and I waited for the article to appear. However, even though I waited for a week, the article that expressed my position didn't come out, and time kept passing.
Summary of paragraph: He's essentially saying that the press isn't telling his side of the story, which, when combined with his sanitized version of the crimes in the third paragraph, is supposed to suggest that he didn't do all the stuff that the press is reporting that he actually did (and evidence in trial proved that he did).
After that, I became a coward who couldn't even read the comments on the internet, and thought that if time will pass, I will be forgotten. However, because of me, my old school's homepage was terrorized with malicious content and many people who has helped me has gotten hurt. And most of all, because I have hurt my parents and my fans, I thought that I could no longer run away from reality.
Summary of paragraph: Pity party! Bad stuff happening to me and people around me!
If my thoughts were proper back then, some of my friends wouldn't have gotten stuck in that bad road, and those friends, whose lives were about the game, would still be active in the scene. Because of this, I am regretting this even more and I am posting this message of apology.
I'm sorry. I'm really sorry.
Summary of paragraph: He's really "sorry". He's really sorry that bad things happened. Uh huh, you are sorry for just "telling" your friends about the match-fixing opportunities?
Once again, I want to apologize to everyone who has been disappointed about me, and I will atone on the fact that I have caused a lot of criticism in society. I bow my head and apologize from the bottom of my heart
- Savior.
Summary of paragraph: Variations of "I apologize".
So what did he actually do in this non-apology? 1) Said that he's "sorry". Okay good start. 2) Tried to generate pity for himself with content irrelevant to the match-fixing scandal. 3) Pretty much lied about his vast role in the match-fixing scandal by sugar-coating it in a language that makes it seem as if all he did was pass on the news that people could make money from match-fixing.4) Indirectly suggested that the press is not telling "his side", when "his side" is the made up fairy tale that he spins in the third paragraph. 5) Said that he's "sorry". Meaningless filler intended to trick you into thinking that this is a real apology. Fuck yeah, that's a great "apology". I guess us sane people can wonder what makes people either blind-and-deaf or so confident about speaking on issues that they have little knowledge about because they read a headline. sane ppl wouldn't waste time trying to pick apart an obviously contrived apology It's a little fun at the expense of crazies who insist that this is a real apology. Feeling edgy and cool today? ur just embarrassed that u were wrong about savior not apologizing now you'll do anything you can to try and feel like you were right all along Except you're making shit up cool guy. I wasn't the one who said that he didn't make an apology. Looking back in the thread, I find that you were responding to some other person who said that there was no apology by saying that a fake apology is bad. To which, I agree that a fake apology is worse than no apology and list the things that Savior has done that are even worse than a fake apology. Nowhere do I claim that Savior didn't make any nominal apology. My posts have consistently pointed to his unrepentant actions rather than to lack of an apology. Oh I forgot, cool guys don't read. They quickly scan and make snippy sarcastic comments. Nice try cool guy. Don't worry, you'll always be cool and edgy in my heart. That shit's so sexy. i'm just incredibly disappointed in my boy savior, in the few times we drank together he seemed cooler than that. match fixing i can understand but fake apologies is the lowest of low
where is the difference? Its both morally wrong behavior to maximize profit.
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Savior is fucking killing the Brood War community.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES51638 Posts
On December 05 2013 00:59 Hesmyrr wrote:
Savior is fucking killing the Brood War community.
nah, the community is killing itself in the name of savior.
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On December 04 2013 21:00 shaftofpleasure wrote:If I ever meet Bisu irl, i'll ask him about his Golden Mouse. Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 18:18 Elroi wrote:On December 04 2013 16:42 BigFan wrote:On December 04 2013 15:04 Wildmoon wrote:
People on this thread are so ridiculuosly angry on whatever side they are on. This reminds me why I don't really want to engage in BW section. Quite sad that when I played BW I didn't even know there was a scene for it. It may have looked better back in the day. I wouldn't use it as an indication of the BW section. People's emotions seem to get riled up whenever savior is mentioned. This is one of those situations where the BW section is split on just how far Savior should be punished or if he has already. As you can tell, there are those completely opposed to him even touching the game while others feel he was punished enough for what he did and that he should get a second chance. It makes for an interesting read lol. I wonder if this will still be the case 5 years or more down the line though. Probably. If I met a Flash fan irl who wanted to discuss the Nate MSL debacle, it would probably result in fisticuffs. I doubt that lol
Depends on if Flash is with his Dad or not...
FlashDad is kinda crazy.. I wonder how many people in the history of the wold have been thrown out of a Broodwar game.
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On December 04 2013 10:45 Rekrul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 10:34 lemmata wrote:On December 04 2013 10:13 Rekrul wrote:On December 04 2013 10:09 lemmata wrote:On December 04 2013 10:05 Rekrul wrote:On December 04 2013 08:56 lemmata wrote:On December 04 2013 07:32 figq wrote:
Lol, I remembered that I've seen apology by Savior and was wondering why people these days kept repeating he never apologized... but I didn't care enough to dig it up or argue about that. I mean, haters gonna hate, they'll just think of something else. People who aren't Savior crazies can read the spoiler for the truth about the so-called apology and have a laugh about how uninformed those Savior crazies are. Savior crazies can ignore it. It won't make a difference to you guys anyways. + Show Spoiler +Savior's so-called apology and my running commentary follows after each paragraph. I am guessing the Savior crazies 1) didn't read the text of the apology, 2) don't know the facts of court case, 3) think that any letter that starts with "I apologize" is an actual apology, 4) or all of the above. The long commentary on third paragraph is the relevant one. The others are sort of secondary.
Hello. It's me, Savior.
First of, I am bowing my head and apologize to the fans, to everyone who loved eSports, and people related to eSports, for disappointing them with my ignorant actions. As someone who has felt a lot of responsibility related to eSports, I would like to admit to my mistakes, and while it's late, confess my mistakes to everyone who has trusted me.
Summary of paragraph: He apologizes for his "mistakes", without specifying what those mistakes are. This will become important later in this "apology" letter.
In order to achieve my goal as a progamer, I dropped out of school in my second to last year of Highschool and came up to Seoul by myself. And I had become a progamer and even up to a few months ago, was active under my previous team. Whether or not my records were good or bad, I only thought about the game. Even when my records were so bad that everyone suspected me, in order to reclaim my glory, I concentrated solely on gaming other than the 5 hours a day where I slept. The game was my entire life. But now, due to making a wrong choice at one moment, I have to accept that I have to give up my life as a gamer.
Summary of paragraph: Pity-seeking by talking about his previous hard work and humble beginnings. It's not a good sign when you start saying stuff like this immediately. The pity party is followed by the disgusting revisionist history that follows. Also, as pointed out brilliantly by Stratos, he writes that last sentence about giving up his life as a gamer and has the nerve to do the things he has done since then.
Around last September, there were rumors between the gamers that there were betting sites with match fixing. It is true that I have received several offers through my mini homepage. The offers were really sweet, but because they do not help my career, I have clearly delivered the message that I would not participate in such an act. But the problem is that I told my friends without reserve, and in the end had a bad influence on them. For this, I will acknowledge my mistake and I apologize from the bottom of my heart.
Summary of paragraph: This is the key paragraph. Look at how he prevaricates about his actual role in the match-fixing. He tries to look good by saying by telling this fairy tale that he resisted the temptation to fix matches but simply made a light mistake of passing on this information to his friends. The fact that he actively recruited and repeatedly pressured these guys is part of the court testimony that convicted him. Here he is making it sound as if all he did was say, "Hey, did you know that you can make $5000 if you fix a match?" and went about his own way. Hwasin testified that Savior kept asking him to fix matches after he first expressed indecisiveness about the offer. (edit: it wasn't an outright refusal). According to Hwasin, Savior went as far as telling a story about one of Savior's friends losing a lot of money because of Hwasin's earlier loss in which Savior told Hwasin about Leta's build order, pressuring him into fixing another game. When questioned about these events in trial Savior said that he "couldn't remember" if he had made offers to Hwasin after the initial refusal. The evidence in the trial also says that Savior often played the role of transferring payments to other match-fixers and there was a long record of financial transactions to prove this. Savior went about this like a member of organized crime, even going as far as to devising a system of making cash payments in $50 increments to avoid detection instead of using lump-sum bank transfers like the other broker (Mr. Won). This FUCKING ASSHOLE has the gall to pretend that all he did was pass on some news about match-fixing opportunities? This is supposed to be a fucking apology? This isn't the end of it by any means. Savior even took the match-fixing reward that was to be paid to DArKeLf and took it for himself. The fucker didn't even have the so-called honor among thieves. An apology that fucking covers up his vast and deep involvement in the criminal enterprise? That's not an apology, that's a fucking press release.
In addition, I would like to explain my position and why I waited so long to clear up my position.
Last May, I was in the hospital for a month due to surgery on my knees. But because the situation started getting serious, I contacted a certain reporter and the reporter visited me and there was an interview. In contrast of the articles that were published, I told him everything I knew about match fixing and that I wasn't away without leave from the dormatories.
Summary of paragraph: Pity party! My knee hurts.
After the interview, I felt as if I had gotten a load off my mind, and I waited for the article to appear. However, even though I waited for a week, the article that expressed my position didn't come out, and time kept passing.
Summary of paragraph: He's essentially saying that the press isn't telling his side of the story, which, when combined with his sanitized version of the crimes in the third paragraph, is supposed to suggest that he didn't do all the stuff that the press is reporting that he actually did (and evidence in trial proved that he did).
After that, I became a coward who couldn't even read the comments on the internet, and thought that if time will pass, I will be forgotten. However, because of me, my old school's homepage was terrorized with malicious content and many people who has helped me has gotten hurt. And most of all, because I have hurt my parents and my fans, I thought that I could no longer run away from reality.
Summary of paragraph: Pity party! Bad stuff happening to me and people around me!
If my thoughts were proper back then, some of my friends wouldn't have gotten stuck in that bad road, and those friends, whose lives were about the game, would still be active in the scene. Because of this, I am regretting this even more and I am posting this message of apology.
I'm sorry. I'm really sorry.
Summary of paragraph: He's really "sorry". He's really sorry that bad things happened. Uh huh, you are sorry for just "telling" your friends about the match-fixing opportunities?
Once again, I want to apologize to everyone who has been disappointed about me, and I will atone on the fact that I have caused a lot of criticism in society. I bow my head and apologize from the bottom of my heart
- Savior.
Summary of paragraph: Variations of "I apologize".
So what did he actually do in this non-apology? 1) Said that he's "sorry". Okay good start. 2) Tried to generate pity for himself with content irrelevant to the match-fixing scandal. 3) Pretty much lied about his vast role in the match-fixing scandal by sugar-coating it in a language that makes it seem as if all he did was pass on the news that people could make money from match-fixing.4) Indirectly suggested that the press is not telling "his side", when "his side" is the made up fairy tale that he spins in the third paragraph. 5) Said that he's "sorry". Meaningless filler intended to trick you into thinking that this is a real apology. Fuck yeah, that's a great "apology". I guess us sane people can wonder what makes people either blind-and-deaf or so confident about speaking on issues that they have little knowledge about because they read a headline. sane ppl wouldn't waste time trying to pick apart an obviously contrived apology It's a little fun at the expense of crazies who insist that this is a real apology. Feeling edgy and cool today? ur just embarrassed that u were wrong about savior not apologizing now you'll do anything you can to try and feel like you were right all along Except you're making shit up cool guy. I wasn't the one who said that he didn't make an apology. Looking back in the thread, I find that you were responding to some other person who said that there was no apology by saying that a fake apology is bad. To which, I agree that a fake apology is worse than no apology and list the things that Savior has done that are even worse than a fake apology. Nowhere do I claim that Savior didn't make any nominal apology. My posts have consistently pointed to his unrepentant actions rather than to lack of an apology. Oh I forgot, cool guys don't read. They quickly scan and make snippy sarcastic comments. Nice try cool guy. Don't worry, you'll always be cool and edgy in my heart. That shit's so sexy. i'm just incredibly disappointed in my boy savior, in the few times we drank together he seemed cooler than that. match fixing i can understand but fake apologies is the lowest of low
“Being sorry is the highest act of selfishness, seeing value only after discarding it.”
Doug Horton
If he was really sincere about it, that would make him the dumbest fuck ever...
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
On December 05 2013 03:04 iFU.pauline wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 10:45 Rekrul wrote:On December 04 2013 10:34 lemmata wrote:On December 04 2013 10:13 Rekrul wrote:On December 04 2013 10:09 lemmata wrote:On December 04 2013 10:05 Rekrul wrote:On December 04 2013 08:56 lemmata wrote:On December 04 2013 07:32 figq wrote:
Lol, I remembered that I've seen apology by Savior and was wondering why people these days kept repeating he never apologized... but I didn't care enough to dig it up or argue about that. I mean, haters gonna hate, they'll just think of something else. People who aren't Savior crazies can read the spoiler for the truth about the so-called apology and have a laugh about how uninformed those Savior crazies are. Savior crazies can ignore it. It won't make a difference to you guys anyways. + Show Spoiler +Savior's so-called apology and my running commentary follows after each paragraph. I am guessing the Savior crazies 1) didn't read the text of the apology, 2) don't know the facts of court case, 3) think that any letter that starts with "I apologize" is an actual apology, 4) or all of the above. The long commentary on third paragraph is the relevant one. The others are sort of secondary.
Hello. It's me, Savior.
First of, I am bowing my head and apologize to the fans, to everyone who loved eSports, and people related to eSports, for disappointing them with my ignorant actions. As someone who has felt a lot of responsibility related to eSports, I would like to admit to my mistakes, and while it's late, confess my mistakes to everyone who has trusted me.
Summary of paragraph: He apologizes for his "mistakes", without specifying what those mistakes are. This will become important later in this "apology" letter.
In order to achieve my goal as a progamer, I dropped out of school in my second to last year of Highschool and came up to Seoul by myself. And I had become a progamer and even up to a few months ago, was active under my previous team. Whether or not my records were good or bad, I only thought about the game. Even when my records were so bad that everyone suspected me, in order to reclaim my glory, I concentrated solely on gaming other than the 5 hours a day where I slept. The game was my entire life. But now, due to making a wrong choice at one moment, I have to accept that I have to give up my life as a gamer.
Summary of paragraph: Pity-seeking by talking about his previous hard work and humble beginnings. It's not a good sign when you start saying stuff like this immediately. The pity party is followed by the disgusting revisionist history that follows. Also, as pointed out brilliantly by Stratos, he writes that last sentence about giving up his life as a gamer and has the nerve to do the things he has done since then.
Around last September, there were rumors between the gamers that there were betting sites with match fixing. It is true that I have received several offers through my mini homepage. The offers were really sweet, but because they do not help my career, I have clearly delivered the message that I would not participate in such an act. But the problem is that I told my friends without reserve, and in the end had a bad influence on them. For this, I will acknowledge my mistake and I apologize from the bottom of my heart.
Summary of paragraph: This is the key paragraph. Look at how he prevaricates about his actual role in the match-fixing. He tries to look good by saying by telling this fairy tale that he resisted the temptation to fix matches but simply made a light mistake of passing on this information to his friends. The fact that he actively recruited and repeatedly pressured these guys is part of the court testimony that convicted him. Here he is making it sound as if all he did was say, "Hey, did you know that you can make $5000 if you fix a match?" and went about his own way. Hwasin testified that Savior kept asking him to fix matches after he first expressed indecisiveness about the offer. (edit: it wasn't an outright refusal). According to Hwasin, Savior went as far as telling a story about one of Savior's friends losing a lot of money because of Hwasin's earlier loss in which Savior told Hwasin about Leta's build order, pressuring him into fixing another game. When questioned about these events in trial Savior said that he "couldn't remember" if he had made offers to Hwasin after the initial refusal. The evidence in the trial also says that Savior often played the role of transferring payments to other match-fixers and there was a long record of financial transactions to prove this. Savior went about this like a member of organized crime, even going as far as to devising a system of making cash payments in $50 increments to avoid detection instead of using lump-sum bank transfers like the other broker (Mr. Won). This FUCKING ASSHOLE has the gall to pretend that all he did was pass on some news about match-fixing opportunities? This is supposed to be a fucking apology? This isn't the end of it by any means. Savior even took the match-fixing reward that was to be paid to DArKeLf and took it for himself. The fucker didn't even have the so-called honor among thieves. An apology that fucking covers up his vast and deep involvement in the criminal enterprise? That's not an apology, that's a fucking press release.
In addition, I would like to explain my position and why I waited so long to clear up my position.
Last May, I was in the hospital for a month due to surgery on my knees. But because the situation started getting serious, I contacted a certain reporter and the reporter visited me and there was an interview. In contrast of the articles that were published, I told him everything I knew about match fixing and that I wasn't away without leave from the dormatories.
Summary of paragraph: Pity party! My knee hurts.
After the interview, I felt as if I had gotten a load off my mind, and I waited for the article to appear. However, even though I waited for a week, the article that expressed my position didn't come out, and time kept passing.
Summary of paragraph: He's essentially saying that the press isn't telling his side of the story, which, when combined with his sanitized version of the crimes in the third paragraph, is supposed to suggest that he didn't do all the stuff that the press is reporting that he actually did (and evidence in trial proved that he did).
After that, I became a coward who couldn't even read the comments on the internet, and thought that if time will pass, I will be forgotten. However, because of me, my old school's homepage was terrorized with malicious content and many people who has helped me has gotten hurt. And most of all, because I have hurt my parents and my fans, I thought that I could no longer run away from reality.
Summary of paragraph: Pity party! Bad stuff happening to me and people around me!
If my thoughts were proper back then, some of my friends wouldn't have gotten stuck in that bad road, and those friends, whose lives were about the game, would still be active in the scene. Because of this, I am regretting this even more and I am posting this message of apology.
I'm sorry. I'm really sorry.
Summary of paragraph: He's really "sorry". He's really sorry that bad things happened. Uh huh, you are sorry for just "telling" your friends about the match-fixing opportunities?
Once again, I want to apologize to everyone who has been disappointed about me, and I will atone on the fact that I have caused a lot of criticism in society. I bow my head and apologize from the bottom of my heart
- Savior.
Summary of paragraph: Variations of "I apologize".
So what did he actually do in this non-apology? 1) Said that he's "sorry". Okay good start. 2) Tried to generate pity for himself with content irrelevant to the match-fixing scandal. 3) Pretty much lied about his vast role in the match-fixing scandal by sugar-coating it in a language that makes it seem as if all he did was pass on the news that people could make money from match-fixing.4) Indirectly suggested that the press is not telling "his side", when "his side" is the made up fairy tale that he spins in the third paragraph. 5) Said that he's "sorry". Meaningless filler intended to trick you into thinking that this is a real apology. Fuck yeah, that's a great "apology". I guess us sane people can wonder what makes people either blind-and-deaf or so confident about speaking on issues that they have little knowledge about because they read a headline. sane ppl wouldn't waste time trying to pick apart an obviously contrived apology It's a little fun at the expense of crazies who insist that this is a real apology. Feeling edgy and cool today? ur just embarrassed that u were wrong about savior not apologizing now you'll do anything you can to try and feel like you were right all along Except you're making shit up cool guy. I wasn't the one who said that he didn't make an apology. Looking back in the thread, I find that you were responding to some other person who said that there was no apology by saying that a fake apology is bad. To which, I agree that a fake apology is worse than no apology and list the things that Savior has done that are even worse than a fake apology. Nowhere do I claim that Savior didn't make any nominal apology. My posts have consistently pointed to his unrepentant actions rather than to lack of an apology. Oh I forgot, cool guys don't read. They quickly scan and make snippy sarcastic comments. Nice try cool guy. Don't worry, you'll always be cool and edgy in my heart. That shit's so sexy. i'm just incredibly disappointed in my boy savior, in the few times we drank together he seemed cooler than that. match fixing i can understand but fake apologies is the lowest of low “Being sorry is the highest act of selfishness, seeing value only after discarding it.”
Doug HortonIf he was really sincere about it, that would make him the dumbest fuck ever...
Amen.
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On December 05 2013 03:07 Rekrul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 03:04 iFU.pauline wrote:On December 04 2013 10:45 Rekrul wrote:On December 04 2013 10:34 lemmata wrote:On December 04 2013 10:13 Rekrul wrote:On December 04 2013 10:09 lemmata wrote:On December 04 2013 10:05 Rekrul wrote:On December 04 2013 08:56 lemmata wrote:On December 04 2013 07:32 figq wrote:
Lol, I remembered that I've seen apology by Savior and was wondering why people these days kept repeating he never apologized... but I didn't care enough to dig it up or argue about that. I mean, haters gonna hate, they'll just think of something else. People who aren't Savior crazies can read the spoiler for the truth about the so-called apology and have a laugh about how uninformed those Savior crazies are. Savior crazies can ignore it. It won't make a difference to you guys anyways. + Show Spoiler +Savior's so-called apology and my running commentary follows after each paragraph. I am guessing the Savior crazies 1) didn't read the text of the apology, 2) don't know the facts of court case, 3) think that any letter that starts with "I apologize" is an actual apology, 4) or all of the above. The long commentary on third paragraph is the relevant one. The others are sort of secondary.
Hello. It's me, Savior.
First of, I am bowing my head and apologize to the fans, to everyone who loved eSports, and people related to eSports, for disappointing them with my ignorant actions. As someone who has felt a lot of responsibility related to eSports, I would like to admit to my mistakes, and while it's late, confess my mistakes to everyone who has trusted me.
Summary of paragraph: He apologizes for his "mistakes", without specifying what those mistakes are. This will become important later in this "apology" letter.
In order to achieve my goal as a progamer, I dropped out of school in my second to last year of Highschool and came up to Seoul by myself. And I had become a progamer and even up to a few months ago, was active under my previous team. Whether or not my records were good or bad, I only thought about the game. Even when my records were so bad that everyone suspected me, in order to reclaim my glory, I concentrated solely on gaming other than the 5 hours a day where I slept. The game was my entire life. But now, due to making a wrong choice at one moment, I have to accept that I have to give up my life as a gamer.
Summary of paragraph: Pity-seeking by talking about his previous hard work and humble beginnings. It's not a good sign when you start saying stuff like this immediately. The pity party is followed by the disgusting revisionist history that follows. Also, as pointed out brilliantly by Stratos, he writes that last sentence about giving up his life as a gamer and has the nerve to do the things he has done since then.
Around last September, there were rumors between the gamers that there were betting sites with match fixing. It is true that I have received several offers through my mini homepage. The offers were really sweet, but because they do not help my career, I have clearly delivered the message that I would not participate in such an act. But the problem is that I told my friends without reserve, and in the end had a bad influence on them. For this, I will acknowledge my mistake and I apologize from the bottom of my heart.
Summary of paragraph: This is the key paragraph. Look at how he prevaricates about his actual role in the match-fixing. He tries to look good by saying by telling this fairy tale that he resisted the temptation to fix matches but simply made a light mistake of passing on this information to his friends. The fact that he actively recruited and repeatedly pressured these guys is part of the court testimony that convicted him. Here he is making it sound as if all he did was say, "Hey, did you know that you can make $5000 if you fix a match?" and went about his own way. Hwasin testified that Savior kept asking him to fix matches after he first expressed indecisiveness about the offer. (edit: it wasn't an outright refusal). According to Hwasin, Savior went as far as telling a story about one of Savior's friends losing a lot of money because of Hwasin's earlier loss in which Savior told Hwasin about Leta's build order, pressuring him into fixing another game. When questioned about these events in trial Savior said that he "couldn't remember" if he had made offers to Hwasin after the initial refusal. The evidence in the trial also says that Savior often played the role of transferring payments to other match-fixers and there was a long record of financial transactions to prove this. Savior went about this like a member of organized crime, even going as far as to devising a system of making cash payments in $50 increments to avoid detection instead of using lump-sum bank transfers like the other broker (Mr. Won). This FUCKING ASSHOLE has the gall to pretend that all he did was pass on some news about match-fixing opportunities? This is supposed to be a fucking apology? This isn't the end of it by any means. Savior even took the match-fixing reward that was to be paid to DArKeLf and took it for himself. The fucker didn't even have the so-called honor among thieves. An apology that fucking covers up his vast and deep involvement in the criminal enterprise? That's not an apology, that's a fucking press release.
In addition, I would like to explain my position and why I waited so long to clear up my position.
Last May, I was in the hospital for a month due to surgery on my knees. But because the situation started getting serious, I contacted a certain reporter and the reporter visited me and there was an interview. In contrast of the articles that were published, I told him everything I knew about match fixing and that I wasn't away without leave from the dormatories.
Summary of paragraph: Pity party! My knee hurts.
After the interview, I felt as if I had gotten a load off my mind, and I waited for the article to appear. However, even though I waited for a week, the article that expressed my position didn't come out, and time kept passing.
Summary of paragraph: He's essentially saying that the press isn't telling his side of the story, which, when combined with his sanitized version of the crimes in the third paragraph, is supposed to suggest that he didn't do all the stuff that the press is reporting that he actually did (and evidence in trial proved that he did).
After that, I became a coward who couldn't even read the comments on the internet, and thought that if time will pass, I will be forgotten. However, because of me, my old school's homepage was terrorized with malicious content and many people who has helped me has gotten hurt. And most of all, because I have hurt my parents and my fans, I thought that I could no longer run away from reality.
Summary of paragraph: Pity party! Bad stuff happening to me and people around me!
If my thoughts were proper back then, some of my friends wouldn't have gotten stuck in that bad road, and those friends, whose lives were about the game, would still be active in the scene. Because of this, I am regretting this even more and I am posting this message of apology.
I'm sorry. I'm really sorry.
Summary of paragraph: He's really "sorry". He's really sorry that bad things happened. Uh huh, you are sorry for just "telling" your friends about the match-fixing opportunities?
Once again, I want to apologize to everyone who has been disappointed about me, and I will atone on the fact that I have caused a lot of criticism in society. I bow my head and apologize from the bottom of my heart
- Savior.
Summary of paragraph: Variations of "I apologize".
So what did he actually do in this non-apology? 1) Said that he's "sorry". Okay good start. 2) Tried to generate pity for himself with content irrelevant to the match-fixing scandal. 3) Pretty much lied about his vast role in the match-fixing scandal by sugar-coating it in a language that makes it seem as if all he did was pass on the news that people could make money from match-fixing.4) Indirectly suggested that the press is not telling "his side", when "his side" is the made up fairy tale that he spins in the third paragraph. 5) Said that he's "sorry". Meaningless filler intended to trick you into thinking that this is a real apology. Fuck yeah, that's a great "apology". I guess us sane people can wonder what makes people either blind-and-deaf or so confident about speaking on issues that they have little knowledge about because they read a headline. sane ppl wouldn't waste time trying to pick apart an obviously contrived apology It's a little fun at the expense of crazies who insist that this is a real apology. Feeling edgy and cool today? ur just embarrassed that u were wrong about savior not apologizing now you'll do anything you can to try and feel like you were right all along Except you're making shit up cool guy. I wasn't the one who said that he didn't make an apology. Looking back in the thread, I find that you were responding to some other person who said that there was no apology by saying that a fake apology is bad. To which, I agree that a fake apology is worse than no apology and list the things that Savior has done that are even worse than a fake apology. Nowhere do I claim that Savior didn't make any nominal apology. My posts have consistently pointed to his unrepentant actions rather than to lack of an apology. Oh I forgot, cool guys don't read. They quickly scan and make snippy sarcastic comments. Nice try cool guy. Don't worry, you'll always be cool and edgy in my heart. That shit's so sexy. i'm just incredibly disappointed in my boy savior, in the few times we drank together he seemed cooler than that. match fixing i can understand but fake apologies is the lowest of low “Being sorry is the highest act of selfishness, seeing value only after discarding it.”
Doug HortonIf he was really sincere about it, that would make him the dumbest fuck ever... Amen.
Exactly, this was just political as all the others did, makes sense to me.
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STATEMENT
To all the SC players and KeSPA:
First of all, it was me who invited SAVIOR, there is none business with JATGIRL. And, JATGIRL himself, together with SCAN and MOIVE, they all did their best to prevent him from the competition. Because I did not play the StarCraft in 2007, and it was from the last year when I started to join the game, I don’t know what happened then.
Secondly, we welcome MORE Korean retired players come and visit China StarCraft League.
Thirdly, about the invitation of SAVIOR’s participating the competition this time, if KeSPA contact me, I will apologize. I am sure if there is enough communication, the similar incident won’t happen again.
Fourthly, I hope more Korean players including the players from StarCraftⅡwould come to communicate with Chinese players, and I like StarCraftⅡand League of Legends and so on.
Last but the most important, I hope KeSPA would have more communication with Chinese players. Misunderstandings come from non-communication. The platform can be SCNTV or me.
From: BIAO
Dec. 4th 2013
(The sponsor of the BW Asia Open in Shanghai)
Contact me with e-mail: wjy@yuanyoufund.com
or wjy-1126@hotmail.com
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On December 05 2013 21:02 yyzc wrote:
STATEMENT
To all the SC players and KeSPA:
First of all, it was me who invited SAVIOR, there is none business with JATGIRL. And, JATGIRL himself, together with SCAN and MOIVE, they all did their best to prevent him from the competition. Because I did not play the StarCraft in 2007, and it was from the last year when I started to join the game, I don’t know what happened then.
Secondly, we welcome MORE Korean retired players come and visit China StarCraft League.
Thirdly, about the invitation of SAVIOR’s participating the competition this time, if KeSPA contact me, I will apologize. I am sure if there is enough communication, the similar incident won’t happen again.
Fourthly, I hope more Korean players including the players from StarCraftⅡwould come to communicate with Chinese players, and I like StarCraftⅡand League of Legends and so on.
Last but the most important, I hope KeSPA would have more communication with Chinese players. Misunderstandings come from non-communication. The platform can be SCNTV or me.
From: BIAO
Dec. 4th 2013
(The sponsor of the BW Asia Open in Shanghai)
Contact me with e-mail: wjy@yuanyoufund.com
or wjy-1126@hotmail.com
Good to know that he didn't realize what was up, if in fact that's true.
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