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On December 06 2013 00:14 Antisocialmunky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 21:02 yyzc wrote:
STATEMENT
To all the SC players and KeSPA:
First of all, it was me who invited SAVIOR, there is none business with JATGIRL. And, JATGIRL himself, together with SCAN and MOIVE, they all did their best to prevent him from the competition. Because I did not play the StarCraft in 2007, and it was from the last year when I started to join the game, I don’t know what happened then.
Secondly, we welcome MORE Korean retired players come and visit China StarCraft League.
Thirdly, about the invitation of SAVIOR’s participating the competition this time, if KeSPA contact me, I will apologize. I am sure if there is enough communication, the similar incident won’t happen again.
Fourthly, I hope more Korean players including the players from StarCraftⅡwould come to communicate with Chinese players, and I like StarCraftⅡand League of Legends and so on.
Last but the most important, I hope KeSPA would have more communication with Chinese players. Misunderstandings come from non-communication. The platform can be SCNTV or me.
From: BIAO
Dec. 4th 2013
(The sponsor of the BW Asia Open in Shanghai)
Contact me with e-mail: wjy@yuanyoufund.com
or wjy-1126@hotmail.com
Well, that guy also kinda forgot to pay blizzard for the rights which is kinda a big deal.
It happened to Sonic too for the last SSL.
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On December 06 2013 02:35 perfidiusrex wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 23:58 GeckoXp wrote:On December 05 2013 23:04 Golondrin wrote:On December 05 2013 22:44 justiceknight wrote:
savior will be the saviour for BW, i dont really care what happened in the past as long as some1 is still trying to make BW big i will fully support him He's just trying to make his pockets big, not BW. Since this is brought on so often, another question: What else can he do? I have no idea about his educational background, but would anyone want to hire savior in the real world for any job? If his choice is to either live in poverty or make money from the game he damaged, it's hard to completely damn him for every move he makes on Afreeca. man honestly if he actually have the balls of steel that people here claim he does he will do this:drop bw,pick up sc2 or dota2 or lol and move to a foreign team where no one gives a damn about the bw scandals bla bla bla and then start ravaging the iems,dreamhacks,online cups etc.if he wins he would be the perfect villain. jaedong vs savior dreamhack final in sc2 would be more epic than jaedong vs flash.
I wonder what JD would think about that. I also doubt people would just forget if he switched games.
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
On December 06 2013 02:54 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 23:58 GeckoXp wrote:On December 05 2013 23:04 Golondrin wrote:On December 05 2013 22:44 justiceknight wrote:
savior will be the saviour for BW, i dont really care what happened in the past as long as some1 is still trying to make BW big i will fully support him He's just trying to make his pockets big, not BW. Since this is brought on so often, another question: What else can he do? I have no idea about his educational background, but would anyone want to hire savior in the real world for any job? If his choice is to either live in poverty or make money from the game he damaged, it's hard to completely damn him for every move he makes on Afreeca. I'd like to address this. 1. He has a criminal record. It will make it hard for him to get jobs because he broke the law and that's what happens. But his infraction won't prevent him from be able to work in other jobs. 2. Savior has the same opportunity as everyone else to work his ass off at minimum wage and pay for education. I worked 3 jobs and 60 hour weeks for years out of high school. If Savior can't make it on his own outside of Starcraft its because he is lazy and isn't taking responsibility for himself. No matter what, we can't justify letting him play Starcraft "because it's his only source of income". Its called being an adult and get a job no matter what. And anyone who has actually had to struggle in life economically like me will understand my sentiment.
not sure why you think savior is obligated by any moral means to live a 'normal life' as penance for his wrong-doings.
using your logic you may as well condemn him to an aids infested mud pit in africa, cause 'struggling in life economically' is a matter of perspective and the fact that you're able to post on TL.net means you're better off than the majority of the people on planet earth
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On December 06 2013 02:56 11cc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2013 02:35 perfidiusrex wrote:On December 05 2013 23:58 GeckoXp wrote:On December 05 2013 23:04 Golondrin wrote:On December 05 2013 22:44 justiceknight wrote:
savior will be the saviour for BW, i dont really care what happened in the past as long as some1 is still trying to make BW big i will fully support him He's just trying to make his pockets big, not BW. Since this is brought on so often, another question: What else can he do? I have no idea about his educational background, but would anyone want to hire savior in the real world for any job? If his choice is to either live in poverty or make money from the game he damaged, it's hard to completely damn him for every move he makes on Afreeca. man honestly if he actually have the balls of steel that people here claim he does he will do this:drop bw,pick up sc2 or dota2 or lol and move to a foreign team where no one gives a damn about the bw scandals bla bla bla and then start ravaging the iems,dreamhacks,online cups etc.if he wins he would be the perfect villain. jaedong vs savior dreamhack final in sc2 would be more epic than jaedong vs flash. I wonder what JD would think about that. I also doubt people would just forget if he switched games.
thats exactly the thing.imagine the storyline:jaedong the most honest and hardworking bw pro of all time vs savior the corrupt and discraced bonjwa.light vs darkness.hero bonjwa vs evil bonjwa.who will trimph?also imagine if jd meets savior in the finals and jd wins his first major tournament in sc2 by defeating savior.
@rekrul
with a criminal record he can not get any jobs at major korean corporations.he will have to start with minimum wage whether he likes it or not.especially in south korea where he is already infamous.his only option is to own his own business from the shadows but in terms of high payd jobs i doubt any company would want to risk with him.beside she aint got no qualification.
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On December 06 2013 03:02 Rekrul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2013 02:54 BisuDagger wrote:On December 05 2013 23:58 GeckoXp wrote:On December 05 2013 23:04 Golondrin wrote:On December 05 2013 22:44 justiceknight wrote:
savior will be the saviour for BW, i dont really care what happened in the past as long as some1 is still trying to make BW big i will fully support him He's just trying to make his pockets big, not BW. Since this is brought on so often, another question: What else can he do? I have no idea about his educational background, but would anyone want to hire savior in the real world for any job? If his choice is to either live in poverty or make money from the game he damaged, it's hard to completely damn him for every move he makes on Afreeca. I'd like to address this. 1. He has a criminal record. It will make it hard for him to get jobs because he broke the law and that's what happens. But his infraction won't prevent him from be able to work in other jobs. 2. Savior has the same opportunity as everyone else to work his ass off at minimum wage and pay for education. I worked 3 jobs and 60 hour weeks for years out of high school. If Savior can't make it on his own outside of Starcraft its because he is lazy and isn't taking responsibility for himself. No matter what, we can't justify letting him play Starcraft "because it's his only source of income". Its called being an adult and get a job no matter what. And anyone who has actually had to struggle in life economically like me will understand my sentiment. not sure why you think savior is obligated by any moral means to live a 'normal life' as penance for his wrong-doings. using your logic you may as well condemn him to an aids infested mud pit in africa, cause 'struggling in life economically' is a matter of perspective and the fact that you're able to post on TL.net means you're better off than the majority of the people on planet earth
I think the point was that he does have options besides the bw scene.
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Bisutopia19315 Posts
On December 06 2013 03:02 Rekrul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2013 02:54 BisuDagger wrote:On December 05 2013 23:58 GeckoXp wrote:On December 05 2013 23:04 Golondrin wrote:On December 05 2013 22:44 justiceknight wrote:
savior will be the saviour for BW, i dont really care what happened in the past as long as some1 is still trying to make BW big i will fully support him He's just trying to make his pockets big, not BW. Since this is brought on so often, another question: What else can he do? I have no idea about his educational background, but would anyone want to hire savior in the real world for any job? If his choice is to either live in poverty or make money from the game he damaged, it's hard to completely damn him for every move he makes on Afreeca. I'd like to address this. 1. He has a criminal record. It will make it hard for him to get jobs because he broke the law and that's what happens. But his infraction won't prevent him from be able to work in other jobs. 2. Savior has the same opportunity as everyone else to work his ass off at minimum wage and pay for education. I worked 3 jobs and 60 hour weeks for years out of high school. If Savior can't make it on his own outside of Starcraft its because he is lazy and isn't taking responsibility for himself. No matter what, we can't justify letting him play Starcraft "because it's his only source of income". Its called being an adult and get a job no matter what. And anyone who has actually had to struggle in life economically like me will understand my sentiment. not sure why you think savior is obligated by any moral means to live a 'normal life' as penance for his wrong-doings. using your logic you may as well condemn him to an aids infested mud pit in africa, cause 'struggling in life economically' is a matter of perspective and the fact that you're able to post on TL.net means you're better off than the majority of the people on planet earth
Wow. Don't get defensive on me. I didn't say he had to pay a life long penance. I'm actually stating facts. If you have a criminal record then it will be harder to get a job for the rest of your life unless that mark is removed. Your behavior in this thread makes me want to be anti-savior and I've pretty remained neutral in my posts on Savior himself. My only focus has been what will benefit Brood War. That's all I care about.
And to your second comment, I don't need to defend how hard I've had it in life or pretend others haven't had it harder. My point was, if you work hard and take up multiple jobs you can afford education and eventually work your way into normal society. He's not stuck in gaming because he's uneducated. Now I'd appreciate it if you got off my back when I'm not being hateful towards anyone here or in fact Savior himself.
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He should go work in China, where the money is 
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
On December 06 2013 03:28 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2013 03:02 Rekrul wrote:On December 06 2013 02:54 BisuDagger wrote:On December 05 2013 23:58 GeckoXp wrote:On December 05 2013 23:04 Golondrin wrote:On December 05 2013 22:44 justiceknight wrote:
savior will be the saviour for BW, i dont really care what happened in the past as long as some1 is still trying to make BW big i will fully support him He's just trying to make his pockets big, not BW. Since this is brought on so often, another question: What else can he do? I have no idea about his educational background, but would anyone want to hire savior in the real world for any job? If his choice is to either live in poverty or make money from the game he damaged, it's hard to completely damn him for every move he makes on Afreeca. I'd like to address this. 1. He has a criminal record. It will make it hard for him to get jobs because he broke the law and that's what happens. But his infraction won't prevent him from be able to work in other jobs. 2. Savior has the same opportunity as everyone else to work his ass off at minimum wage and pay for education. I worked 3 jobs and 60 hour weeks for years out of high school. If Savior can't make it on his own outside of Starcraft its because he is lazy and isn't taking responsibility for himself. No matter what, we can't justify letting him play Starcraft "because it's his only source of income". Its called being an adult and get a job no matter what. And anyone who has actually had to struggle in life economically like me will understand my sentiment. not sure why you think savior is obligated by any moral means to live a 'normal life' as penance for his wrong-doings. using your logic you may as well condemn him to an aids infested mud pit in africa, cause 'struggling in life economically' is a matter of perspective and the fact that you're able to post on TL.net means you're better off than the majority of the people on planet earth Wow. Don't get defensive on me. I didn't say he had to pay a life long penance. I'm actually stating facts. If you have a criminal record then it will be harder to get a job for the rest of your life unless that mark is removed. Your behavior in this thread makes me want to be anti-savior and I've pretty remained neutral in my posts on Savior himself. My only focus has been what will benefit Brood War. That's all I care about. And to your second comment, I don't need to defend how hard I've had it in life or pretend others haven't had it harder. My point was, if you work hard and take up multiple jobs you can afford education and eventually work your way into normal society. He's not stuck in gaming because he's uneducated. Now I'd appreciate it if you got off my back when I'm not being hateful towards anyone here or in fact Savior himself.
so in your magical reality you want 26 year old savior who has done nothing but play video games his whole life, has made tons of money, lived atleast a somewhat 'glamorous lifestyle', has committed a wild fraud, and displayed sociopath behavior...
to go back to school for 4+ years then try and rise from the bottom in korea with a tarnished reputation making 1500$ a month to start with little chance of getting anywhere in his lifetime
yeah, people can change for better or for worse, but to even suggest he should do that is like saying man that dog should use the litterbox instead of continuously shitting on my floor
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Bisutopia19315 Posts
On December 06 2013 03:37 Rekrul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2013 03:28 BisuDagger wrote:On December 06 2013 03:02 Rekrul wrote:On December 06 2013 02:54 BisuDagger wrote:On December 05 2013 23:58 GeckoXp wrote:On December 05 2013 23:04 Golondrin wrote:On December 05 2013 22:44 justiceknight wrote:
savior will be the saviour for BW, i dont really care what happened in the past as long as some1 is still trying to make BW big i will fully support him He's just trying to make his pockets big, not BW. Since this is brought on so often, another question: What else can he do? I have no idea about his educational background, but would anyone want to hire savior in the real world for any job? If his choice is to either live in poverty or make money from the game he damaged, it's hard to completely damn him for every move he makes on Afreeca. I'd like to address this. 1. He has a criminal record. It will make it hard for him to get jobs because he broke the law and that's what happens. But his infraction won't prevent him from be able to work in other jobs. 2. Savior has the same opportunity as everyone else to work his ass off at minimum wage and pay for education. I worked 3 jobs and 60 hour weeks for years out of high school. If Savior can't make it on his own outside of Starcraft its because he is lazy and isn't taking responsibility for himself. No matter what, we can't justify letting him play Starcraft "because it's his only source of income". Its called being an adult and get a job no matter what. And anyone who has actually had to struggle in life economically like me will understand my sentiment. not sure why you think savior is obligated by any moral means to live a 'normal life' as penance for his wrong-doings. using your logic you may as well condemn him to an aids infested mud pit in africa, cause 'struggling in life economically' is a matter of perspective and the fact that you're able to post on TL.net means you're better off than the majority of the people on planet earth Wow. Don't get defensive on me. I didn't say he had to pay a life long penance. I'm actually stating facts. If you have a criminal record then it will be harder to get a job for the rest of your life unless that mark is removed. Your behavior in this thread makes me want to be anti-savior and I've pretty remained neutral in my posts on Savior himself. My only focus has been what will benefit Brood War. That's all I care about. And to your second comment, I don't need to defend how hard I've had it in life or pretend others haven't had it harder. My point was, if you work hard and take up multiple jobs you can afford education and eventually work your way into normal society. He's not stuck in gaming because he's uneducated. Now I'd appreciate it if you got off my back when I'm not being hateful towards anyone here or in fact Savior himself. so in your magical reality you want 26 year old savior who has done nothing but play video games his whole life, has made tons of money, lived atleast a somewhat 'glamorous lifestyle', has committed a wild fraud, and displayed sociopath behavior... to go back to school for 4+ years then try and rise from the bottom in korea with a tarnished reputation making 1500$ a month to start with little chance of getting anywhere in his lifetime yeah, people can change for better or for worse, but to even suggest he should do that is like saying man that dog should use the litterbox instead of continuously shitting on my floor
You still don't get it. The question was asked is it possible for him to do something outside of gaming. And the answer is yes. He will just have to work his ass off like he did in Brood War to become successful. I'm not suggesting anything. I'm stating that there is a way for him to succeed without gaming and to argue otherwise is ignorant. Life is all about working hard. If my career suddenly didn't exist, I have no problem picking up trash to pay the bills until another opportunity opens. People have to go through tough times like this every day. Just because he was famous once doesn't mean he can't take a low paying job and work his way back up again. But I don't feel like your getting it. Feel free to PM me if you're still confused about minimum wage jobs and how its not the end of the world to work those jobs. I've stated my points and don't need this to be an argument.
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
On December 06 2013 03:44 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2013 03:37 Rekrul wrote:On December 06 2013 03:28 BisuDagger wrote:On December 06 2013 03:02 Rekrul wrote:On December 06 2013 02:54 BisuDagger wrote:On December 05 2013 23:58 GeckoXp wrote:On December 05 2013 23:04 Golondrin wrote:On December 05 2013 22:44 justiceknight wrote:
savior will be the saviour for BW, i dont really care what happened in the past as long as some1 is still trying to make BW big i will fully support him He's just trying to make his pockets big, not BW. Since this is brought on so often, another question: What else can he do? I have no idea about his educational background, but would anyone want to hire savior in the real world for any job? If his choice is to either live in poverty or make money from the game he damaged, it's hard to completely damn him for every move he makes on Afreeca. I'd like to address this. 1. He has a criminal record. It will make it hard for him to get jobs because he broke the law and that's what happens. But his infraction won't prevent him from be able to work in other jobs. 2. Savior has the same opportunity as everyone else to work his ass off at minimum wage and pay for education. I worked 3 jobs and 60 hour weeks for years out of high school. If Savior can't make it on his own outside of Starcraft its because he is lazy and isn't taking responsibility for himself. No matter what, we can't justify letting him play Starcraft "because it's his only source of income". Its called being an adult and get a job no matter what. And anyone who has actually had to struggle in life economically like me will understand my sentiment. not sure why you think savior is obligated by any moral means to live a 'normal life' as penance for his wrong-doings. using your logic you may as well condemn him to an aids infested mud pit in africa, cause 'struggling in life economically' is a matter of perspective and the fact that you're able to post on TL.net means you're better off than the majority of the people on planet earth Wow. Don't get defensive on me. I didn't say he had to pay a life long penance. I'm actually stating facts. If you have a criminal record then it will be harder to get a job for the rest of your life unless that mark is removed. Your behavior in this thread makes me want to be anti-savior and I've pretty remained neutral in my posts on Savior himself. My only focus has been what will benefit Brood War. That's all I care about. And to your second comment, I don't need to defend how hard I've had it in life or pretend others haven't had it harder. My point was, if you work hard and take up multiple jobs you can afford education and eventually work your way into normal society. He's not stuck in gaming because he's uneducated. Now I'd appreciate it if you got off my back when I'm not being hateful towards anyone here or in fact Savior himself. so in your magical reality you want 26 year old savior who has done nothing but play video games his whole life, has made tons of money, lived atleast a somewhat 'glamorous lifestyle', has committed a wild fraud, and displayed sociopath behavior... to go back to school for 4+ years then try and rise from the bottom in korea with a tarnished reputation making 1500$ a month to start with little chance of getting anywhere in his lifetime yeah, people can change for better or for worse, but to even suggest he should do that is like saying man that dog should use the litterbox instead of continuously shitting on my floor You still don't get it. The question was asked is it possible for him to do something outside of gaming. And the answer is yes. He will just have to work his ass off like he did in Brood War to become successful. I'm not suggesting anything. I'm stating that there is a way for him to succeed without gaming and to argue otherwise is ignorant. Life is all about working hard. If my career suddenly didn't exist, I have no problem picking up trash to pay the bills until another opportunity opens. People have to go through tough times like this every day. Just because he was famous once doesn't mean he can't take a low paying job and work his way back up again. But I don't feel like your getting it. Feel free to PM me if you're still confused about minimum wage jobs and how its not the end of the world to work those jobs. I've stated my points and don't need this to be an argument.
what you don't get is that would be the end of the world for a person like savior
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On December 06 2013 03:46 Rekrul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2013 03:44 BisuDagger wrote:On December 06 2013 03:37 Rekrul wrote:On December 06 2013 03:28 BisuDagger wrote:On December 06 2013 03:02 Rekrul wrote:On December 06 2013 02:54 BisuDagger wrote:On December 05 2013 23:58 GeckoXp wrote:On December 05 2013 23:04 Golondrin wrote:On December 05 2013 22:44 justiceknight wrote:
savior will be the saviour for BW, i dont really care what happened in the past as long as some1 is still trying to make BW big i will fully support him He's just trying to make his pockets big, not BW. Since this is brought on so often, another question: What else can he do? I have no idea about his educational background, but would anyone want to hire savior in the real world for any job? If his choice is to either live in poverty or make money from the game he damaged, it's hard to completely damn him for every move he makes on Afreeca. I'd like to address this. 1. He has a criminal record. It will make it hard for him to get jobs because he broke the law and that's what happens. But his infraction won't prevent him from be able to work in other jobs. 2. Savior has the same opportunity as everyone else to work his ass off at minimum wage and pay for education. I worked 3 jobs and 60 hour weeks for years out of high school. If Savior can't make it on his own outside of Starcraft its because he is lazy and isn't taking responsibility for himself. No matter what, we can't justify letting him play Starcraft "because it's his only source of income". Its called being an adult and get a job no matter what. And anyone who has actually had to struggle in life economically like me will understand my sentiment. not sure why you think savior is obligated by any moral means to live a 'normal life' as penance for his wrong-doings. using your logic you may as well condemn him to an aids infested mud pit in africa, cause 'struggling in life economically' is a matter of perspective and the fact that you're able to post on TL.net means you're better off than the majority of the people on planet earth Wow. Don't get defensive on me. I didn't say he had to pay a life long penance. I'm actually stating facts. If you have a criminal record then it will be harder to get a job for the rest of your life unless that mark is removed. Your behavior in this thread makes me want to be anti-savior and I've pretty remained neutral in my posts on Savior himself. My only focus has been what will benefit Brood War. That's all I care about. And to your second comment, I don't need to defend how hard I've had it in life or pretend others haven't had it harder. My point was, if you work hard and take up multiple jobs you can afford education and eventually work your way into normal society. He's not stuck in gaming because he's uneducated. Now I'd appreciate it if you got off my back when I'm not being hateful towards anyone here or in fact Savior himself. so in your magical reality you want 26 year old savior who has done nothing but play video games his whole life, has made tons of money, lived atleast a somewhat 'glamorous lifestyle', has committed a wild fraud, and displayed sociopath behavior... to go back to school for 4+ years then try and rise from the bottom in korea with a tarnished reputation making 1500$ a month to start with little chance of getting anywhere in his lifetime yeah, people can change for better or for worse, but to even suggest he should do that is like saying man that dog should use the litterbox instead of continuously shitting on my floor You still don't get it. The question was asked is it possible for him to do something outside of gaming. And the answer is yes. He will just have to work his ass off like he did in Brood War to become successful. I'm not suggesting anything. I'm stating that there is a way for him to succeed without gaming and to argue otherwise is ignorant. Life is all about working hard. If my career suddenly didn't exist, I have no problem picking up trash to pay the bills until another opportunity opens. People have to go through tough times like this every day. Just because he was famous once doesn't mean he can't take a low paying job and work his way back up again. But I don't feel like your getting it. Feel free to PM me if you're still confused about minimum wage jobs and how its not the end of the world to work those jobs. I've stated my points and don't need this to be an argument. what you don't get is that would be the end of the world for a person like savior
That's up to the person, not the situation. Someone like flash or jd in the same shoes and they would work off their asses and get ahead. The thing is, they wouldn't had incite others to throw matches in the first place.
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On December 06 2013 03:46 Rekrul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2013 03:44 BisuDagger wrote:On December 06 2013 03:37 Rekrul wrote:On December 06 2013 03:28 BisuDagger wrote:On December 06 2013 03:02 Rekrul wrote:On December 06 2013 02:54 BisuDagger wrote:On December 05 2013 23:58 GeckoXp wrote:On December 05 2013 23:04 Golondrin wrote:On December 05 2013 22:44 justiceknight wrote:
savior will be the saviour for BW, i dont really care what happened in the past as long as some1 is still trying to make BW big i will fully support him He's just trying to make his pockets big, not BW. Since this is brought on so often, another question: What else can he do? I have no idea about his educational background, but would anyone want to hire savior in the real world for any job? If his choice is to either live in poverty or make money from the game he damaged, it's hard to completely damn him for every move he makes on Afreeca. I'd like to address this. 1. He has a criminal record. It will make it hard for him to get jobs because he broke the law and that's what happens. But his infraction won't prevent him from be able to work in other jobs. 2. Savior has the same opportunity as everyone else to work his ass off at minimum wage and pay for education. I worked 3 jobs and 60 hour weeks for years out of high school. If Savior can't make it on his own outside of Starcraft its because he is lazy and isn't taking responsibility for himself. No matter what, we can't justify letting him play Starcraft "because it's his only source of income". Its called being an adult and get a job no matter what. And anyone who has actually had to struggle in life economically like me will understand my sentiment. not sure why you think savior is obligated by any moral means to live a 'normal life' as penance for his wrong-doings. using your logic you may as well condemn him to an aids infested mud pit in africa, cause 'struggling in life economically' is a matter of perspective and the fact that you're able to post on TL.net means you're better off than the majority of the people on planet earth Wow. Don't get defensive on me. I didn't say he had to pay a life long penance. I'm actually stating facts. If you have a criminal record then it will be harder to get a job for the rest of your life unless that mark is removed. Your behavior in this thread makes me want to be anti-savior and I've pretty remained neutral in my posts on Savior himself. My only focus has been what will benefit Brood War. That's all I care about. And to your second comment, I don't need to defend how hard I've had it in life or pretend others haven't had it harder. My point was, if you work hard and take up multiple jobs you can afford education and eventually work your way into normal society. He's not stuck in gaming because he's uneducated. Now I'd appreciate it if you got off my back when I'm not being hateful towards anyone here or in fact Savior himself. so in your magical reality you want 26 year old savior who has done nothing but play video games his whole life, has made tons of money, lived atleast a somewhat 'glamorous lifestyle', has committed a wild fraud, and displayed sociopath behavior... to go back to school for 4+ years then try and rise from the bottom in korea with a tarnished reputation making 1500$ a month to start with little chance of getting anywhere in his lifetime yeah, people can change for better or for worse, but to even suggest he should do that is like saying man that dog should use the litterbox instead of continuously shitting on my floor You still don't get it. The question was asked is it possible for him to do something outside of gaming. And the answer is yes. He will just have to work his ass off like he did in Brood War to become successful. I'm not suggesting anything. I'm stating that there is a way for him to succeed without gaming and to argue otherwise is ignorant. Life is all about working hard. If my career suddenly didn't exist, I have no problem picking up trash to pay the bills until another opportunity opens. People have to go through tough times like this every day. Just because he was famous once doesn't mean he can't take a low paying job and work his way back up again. But I don't feel like your getting it. Feel free to PM me if you're still confused about minimum wage jobs and how its not the end of the world to work those jobs. I've stated my points and don't need this to be an argument. what you don't get is that would be the end of the world for a person like savior
in your entire rant you still haven't provided an alternative for savior.there are plenty of people far richer and far more succesfull than savior who had a lot more money than savior and because of their incapacity to recognize they weren't good anymore ended up taking their own lifes or living worse than street people.whitney huston,michael jackson,o j simpson come to mind.not to mention in south korea there are countless kpop stars who after being abandoned by ther labels work as bartenders in bars.there aren't that many options for him.whats he suppose to do?play online pooker?open his business with the money he earned in bw?how much money does he actually have saved up?nobody knows that.besides he's a paria in his own country.he can't speak english.he can't emigrate into the eu or usa and with todays laws and interpol your criminal record might actually stay.where can he go?china where people do not care that much about what he did.face it.considering the alternative an education+normally paid job is better than a plastic bag on an abandon bench in the parck
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On December 06 2013 04:15 Golondrin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2013 03:46 Rekrul wrote:On December 06 2013 03:44 BisuDagger wrote:On December 06 2013 03:37 Rekrul wrote:On December 06 2013 03:28 BisuDagger wrote:On December 06 2013 03:02 Rekrul wrote:On December 06 2013 02:54 BisuDagger wrote:On December 05 2013 23:58 GeckoXp wrote:On December 05 2013 23:04 Golondrin wrote:On December 05 2013 22:44 justiceknight wrote:
savior will be the saviour for BW, i dont really care what happened in the past as long as some1 is still trying to make BW big i will fully support him He's just trying to make his pockets big, not BW. Since this is brought on so often, another question: What else can he do? I have no idea about his educational background, but would anyone want to hire savior in the real world for any job? If his choice is to either live in poverty or make money from the game he damaged, it's hard to completely damn him for every move he makes on Afreeca. I'd like to address this. 1. He has a criminal record. It will make it hard for him to get jobs because he broke the law and that's what happens. But his infraction won't prevent him from be able to work in other jobs. 2. Savior has the same opportunity as everyone else to work his ass off at minimum wage and pay for education. I worked 3 jobs and 60 hour weeks for years out of high school. If Savior can't make it on his own outside of Starcraft its because he is lazy and isn't taking responsibility for himself. No matter what, we can't justify letting him play Starcraft "because it's his only source of income". Its called being an adult and get a job no matter what. And anyone who has actually had to struggle in life economically like me will understand my sentiment. not sure why you think savior is obligated by any moral means to live a 'normal life' as penance for his wrong-doings. using your logic you may as well condemn him to an aids infested mud pit in africa, cause 'struggling in life economically' is a matter of perspective and the fact that you're able to post on TL.net means you're better off than the majority of the people on planet earth Wow. Don't get defensive on me. I didn't say he had to pay a life long penance. I'm actually stating facts. If you have a criminal record then it will be harder to get a job for the rest of your life unless that mark is removed. Your behavior in this thread makes me want to be anti-savior and I've pretty remained neutral in my posts on Savior himself. My only focus has been what will benefit Brood War. That's all I care about. And to your second comment, I don't need to defend how hard I've had it in life or pretend others haven't had it harder. My point was, if you work hard and take up multiple jobs you can afford education and eventually work your way into normal society. He's not stuck in gaming because he's uneducated. Now I'd appreciate it if you got off my back when I'm not being hateful towards anyone here or in fact Savior himself. so in your magical reality you want 26 year old savior who has done nothing but play video games his whole life, has made tons of money, lived atleast a somewhat 'glamorous lifestyle', has committed a wild fraud, and displayed sociopath behavior... to go back to school for 4+ years then try and rise from the bottom in korea with a tarnished reputation making 1500$ a month to start with little chance of getting anywhere in his lifetime yeah, people can change for better or for worse, but to even suggest he should do that is like saying man that dog should use the litterbox instead of continuously shitting on my floor You still don't get it. The question was asked is it possible for him to do something outside of gaming. And the answer is yes. He will just have to work his ass off like he did in Brood War to become successful. I'm not suggesting anything. I'm stating that there is a way for him to succeed without gaming and to argue otherwise is ignorant. Life is all about working hard. If my career suddenly didn't exist, I have no problem picking up trash to pay the bills until another opportunity opens. People have to go through tough times like this every day. Just because he was famous once doesn't mean he can't take a low paying job and work his way back up again. But I don't feel like your getting it. Feel free to PM me if you're still confused about minimum wage jobs and how its not the end of the world to work those jobs. I've stated my points and don't need this to be an argument. what you don't get is that would be the end of the world for a person like savior That's up to the person, not the situation. Someone like flash or jd in the same shoes and they would work off their asses and get ahead. The thing is, they wouldn't had incite others to throw matches in the first place.
So savior is an inherently bad person, right?
We don't know how Flash or JD would have acted in savior's position. We will also never know.
I condemn savior for what he did but you can't just compare him to others.
Hell, we don't even know 100% if there are no other match fixers around.
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
On December 06 2013 04:39 perfidiusrex wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2013 03:46 Rekrul wrote:On December 06 2013 03:44 BisuDagger wrote:On December 06 2013 03:37 Rekrul wrote:On December 06 2013 03:28 BisuDagger wrote:On December 06 2013 03:02 Rekrul wrote:On December 06 2013 02:54 BisuDagger wrote:On December 05 2013 23:58 GeckoXp wrote:On December 05 2013 23:04 Golondrin wrote:On December 05 2013 22:44 justiceknight wrote:
savior will be the saviour for BW, i dont really care what happened in the past as long as some1 is still trying to make BW big i will fully support him He's just trying to make his pockets big, not BW. Since this is brought on so often, another question: What else can he do? I have no idea about his educational background, but would anyone want to hire savior in the real world for any job? If his choice is to either live in poverty or make money from the game he damaged, it's hard to completely damn him for every move he makes on Afreeca. I'd like to address this. 1. He has a criminal record. It will make it hard for him to get jobs because he broke the law and that's what happens. But his infraction won't prevent him from be able to work in other jobs. 2. Savior has the same opportunity as everyone else to work his ass off at minimum wage and pay for education. I worked 3 jobs and 60 hour weeks for years out of high school. If Savior can't make it on his own outside of Starcraft its because he is lazy and isn't taking responsibility for himself. No matter what, we can't justify letting him play Starcraft "because it's his only source of income". Its called being an adult and get a job no matter what. And anyone who has actually had to struggle in life economically like me will understand my sentiment. not sure why you think savior is obligated by any moral means to live a 'normal life' as penance for his wrong-doings. using your logic you may as well condemn him to an aids infested mud pit in africa, cause 'struggling in life economically' is a matter of perspective and the fact that you're able to post on TL.net means you're better off than the majority of the people on planet earth Wow. Don't get defensive on me. I didn't say he had to pay a life long penance. I'm actually stating facts. If you have a criminal record then it will be harder to get a job for the rest of your life unless that mark is removed. Your behavior in this thread makes me want to be anti-savior and I've pretty remained neutral in my posts on Savior himself. My only focus has been what will benefit Brood War. That's all I care about. And to your second comment, I don't need to defend how hard I've had it in life or pretend others haven't had it harder. My point was, if you work hard and take up multiple jobs you can afford education and eventually work your way into normal society. He's not stuck in gaming because he's uneducated. Now I'd appreciate it if you got off my back when I'm not being hateful towards anyone here or in fact Savior himself. so in your magical reality you want 26 year old savior who has done nothing but play video games his whole life, has made tons of money, lived atleast a somewhat 'glamorous lifestyle', has committed a wild fraud, and displayed sociopath behavior... to go back to school for 4+ years then try and rise from the bottom in korea with a tarnished reputation making 1500$ a month to start with little chance of getting anywhere in his lifetime yeah, people can change for better or for worse, but to even suggest he should do that is like saying man that dog should use the litterbox instead of continuously shitting on my floor You still don't get it. The question was asked is it possible for him to do something outside of gaming. And the answer is yes. He will just have to work his ass off like he did in Brood War to become successful. I'm not suggesting anything. I'm stating that there is a way for him to succeed without gaming and to argue otherwise is ignorant. Life is all about working hard. If my career suddenly didn't exist, I have no problem picking up trash to pay the bills until another opportunity opens. People have to go through tough times like this every day. Just because he was famous once doesn't mean he can't take a low paying job and work his way back up again. But I don't feel like your getting it. Feel free to PM me if you're still confused about minimum wage jobs and how its not the end of the world to work those jobs. I've stated my points and don't need this to be an argument. what you don't get is that would be the end of the world for a person like savior in your entire rant you still haven't provided an alternative for savior.there are plenty of people far richer and far more succesfull than savior who had a lot more money than savior and because of their incapacity to recognize they weren't good anymore ended up taking their own lifes or living worse than street people.whitney huston,michael jackson,o j simpson come to mind.not to mention in south korea there are countless kpop stars who after being abandoned by ther labels work as bartenders in bars.there aren't that many options for him.whats he suppose to do?play online pooker?open his business with the money he earned in bw?how much money does he actually have saved up?nobody knows that.besides he's a paria in his own country.he can't speak english.he can't emigrate into the eu or usa and with todays laws and interpol your criminal record might actually stay.where can he go?china where people do not care that much about what he did.face it.considering the alternative an education+normally paid job is better than a plastic bag on an abandon bench in the parck
it doesn't matter to me what savior does, his options are very limited, and he'll obviously continue to extract as much as he can from BW.
i just find it very humorous when someone comes in here and posts about how savior needs to buckle down and go to college and grind his way back up starting with a 9-5 job LOL
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On December 06 2013 04:39 perfidiusrex wrote:
in your entire rant you still haven't provided an alternative for savior.there are plenty of people far richer and far more succesfull than savior who had a lot more [...]
The point is, sAviOr is still (kinda) successful in BW, while people want him to fail miserably and go work somewhere else.
It's the fact he can still live from the game that pissed some people off.
Or this is how I understand it at least.
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His responses almost make me think that inviting Savior was some sort of ploy to get more Koreans to take interest in the league (if just to prevent savior from playing). He doesn't really defend the decision, it seems like he's saying "well if you guys were more involved this wouldn't have happened". No such thing as bad publicity, I guess.
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One of the many sad consequences of the crimes of Savior is that BW lost a really great player. If you dig up on TL you can find replays by famous progamers and among them you can watch and analyze Savior games. His sophisticated style is different from the other historically great zergs. He really makes use of all the zerg tools. Too bad if there's no turning back.
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Korea (South)2625 Posts
On December 05 2013 23:04 Golondrin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 22:44 justiceknight wrote:
savior will be the saviour for BW, i dont really care what happened in the past as long as some1 is still trying to make BW big i will fully support him He's just trying to make his pockets big, not BW.
Where do we draw the line between mutual benefit and selfishness?
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
everybody knows u gotta do everything for e-sports only or else u r a bad person
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United States11393 Posts
On December 06 2013 04:57 sheaRZerg wrote:
His responses almost make me think that inviting Savior was some sort of ploy to get more Koreans to take interest in the league (if just to prevent savior from playing). He doesn't really defend the decision, it seems like he's saying "well if you guys were more involved this wouldn't have happened". No such thing as bad publicity, I guess.
He'd still have gotten a lot of Koreans to enter in future if he listened to Sonic and didn't have Savior though. That bridge may be burned.
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