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shaftofpleasure
Korea (North)1375 Posts
The question of whether savior should be able to play or not has been discussed to death. If organizers wants to invite him to play in their tournaments even with the knowledge of the crime he was involved before, it's up to them. KeSPA doesn't get to say anything about it. They do not have the monopoly of the game and even if they still did, it is still out of thier jurisdiction. oh and savior can go fuck himself too .. along with Kespa | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21245 Posts
On December 05 2013 21:02 yyzc wrote: STATEMENT To all the SC players and KeSPA: First of all, it was me who invited SAVIOR, there is none business with JATGIRL. And, JATGIRL himself, together with SCAN and MOIVE, they all did their best to prevent him from the competition. Because I did not play the StarCraft in 2007, and it was from the last year when I started to join the game, I don’t know what happened then. Secondly, we welcome MORE Korean retired players come and visit China StarCraft League. Thirdly, about the invitation of SAVIOR’s participating the competition this time, if KeSPA contact me, I will apologize. I am sure if there is enough communication, the similar incident won’t happen again. Fourthly, I hope more Korean players including the players from StarCraftⅡwould come to communicate with Chinese players, and I like StarCraftⅡand League of Legends and so on. Last but the most important, I hope KeSPA would have more communication with Chinese players. Misunderstandings come from non-communication. The platform can be SCNTV or me. From: BIAO Dec. 4th 2013 (The sponsor of the BW Asia Open in Shanghai) Contact me with e-mail: wjy@yuanyoufund.com or wjy-1126@hotmail.com source? 原文? 给个连锁, thanks. | ||
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justiceknight
Singapore5741 Posts
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Plissken_2097
Spain628 Posts
On December 05 2013 22:44 justiceknight wrote: savior will be the saviour for BW, i dont really care what happened in the past as long as some1 is still trying to make BW big i will fully support him He's just trying to make his pockets big, not BW. | ||
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forumtext
575 Posts
Bisu the light champion of Protoss. Flash the wise turtle of Terran. | ||
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Lorch
Germany3696 Posts
On December 05 2013 23:04 Golondrin wrote: He's just trying to make his pockets big, not BW. Fuck savior and all he has done and what not. But there are very few players who are mainly interested in making the game they play big. If you blame savior for that you also need to hate on A LOT of other players. | ||
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Fuchsteufelswild
Australia2028 Posts
On December 04 2013 15:04 Wildmoon wrote: People on this thread are so ridiculuosly angry on whatever side they are on. This reminds me why I don't really want to engage in BW section. Quite sad that when I played BW I didn't even know there was a scene for it. It may have looked better back in the day. I wouldn't call it anger so quickly. At least, when people are typing in detail, in length and being emphatic in their points...do you know they can also be perfectly calm while doing so? Having very firm opinions on something after having thought about the topic and then typing in length is very different from just venting anger. Why should people be "neutral" just for the side of appearing less angry to assuming types on the internet :\ AND/OR why should people be "neutral"? What's wrong with people having strong opinions, so long as they've thought enough to have some reasoning behind their opinions?  | ||
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GeckoXp
Germany2016 Posts
On December 05 2013 23:04 Golondrin wrote: He's just trying to make his pockets big, not BW. Since this is brought on so often, another question: What else can he do? I have no idea about his educational background, but would anyone want to hire savior in the real world for any job? If his choice is to either live in poverty or make money from the game he damaged, it's hard to completely damn him for every move he makes on Afreeca. | ||
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Antisocialmunky
United States5912 Posts
On December 05 2013 21:02 yyzc wrote: STATEMENT To all the SC players and KeSPA: First of all, it was me who invited SAVIOR, there is none business with JATGIRL. And, JATGIRL himself, together with SCAN and MOIVE, they all did their best to prevent him from the competition. Because I did not play the StarCraft in 2007, and it was from the last year when I started to join the game, I don’t know what happened then. Secondly, we welcome MORE Korean retired players come and visit China StarCraft League. Thirdly, about the invitation of SAVIOR’s participating the competition this time, if KeSPA contact me, I will apologize. I am sure if there is enough communication, the similar incident won’t happen again. Fourthly, I hope more Korean players including the players from StarCraftⅡwould come to communicate with Chinese players, and I like StarCraftⅡand League of Legends and so on. Last but the most important, I hope KeSPA would have more communication with Chinese players. Misunderstandings come from non-communication. The platform can be SCNTV or me. From: BIAO Dec. 4th 2013 (The sponsor of the BW Asia Open in Shanghai) Contact me with e-mail: wjy@yuanyoufund.com or wjy-1126@hotmail.com Well, that guy also kinda forgot to pay blizzard for the rights which is kinda a big deal. | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21245 Posts
From my view, KeSPA tried to involve Blizzard but Blizzard was smart enough to want nothing to do with it. | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19367 Posts
On December 05 2013 22:44 justiceknight wrote: savior will be the saviour for BW, i dont really care what happened in the past as long as some1 is still trying to make BW big i will fully support him Starcraft got big because of players like Boxer and Yellow who were great with the public and put on a show everytime they played. Their focus was always to have fun and make it exiting to be part of the SCBW gaming atmosphere. Brood War won't get big again because his name is there. It will get big because people like Sonic give a shit about the game and want to make it live on forever. It will get big because the players in SOSPA league are having fun and chatting in game to mess with each other. It really frustrates me that people think Savior is the key to succesful BW competitive scene. He's not needed. Period. | ||
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notnumb
China1 Post
Does it mean bypass blizzard 's restrictions ? | ||
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perfidiusrex
Belgium78 Posts
On December 06 2013 00:17 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: I'd like to once again stress the point that Blizzard, as far as we know, does not know or care one bit about any of this, and has yet to officially or unofficially acknowledge this tournament's existence in any public capacity. From my view, KeSPA tried to involve Blizzard but Blizzard was smart enough to want nothing to do with it. why would blizzard come in conflict with a chinesse tournament organizer that they can not control over a game that does not bring them anymore profit these days? | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21245 Posts
On December 06 2013 02:20 perfidiusrex wrote: why would blizzard come in conflict with a chinesse tournament organizer that they can not control over a game that does not bring them anymore profit these days? My point exactly. | ||
GTR
51620 Posts
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Plissken_2097
Spain628 Posts
On December 05 2013 23:58 GeckoXp wrote: Since this is brought on so often, another question: What else can he do? I have no idea about his educational background, but would anyone want to hire savior in the real world for any job? If his choice is to either live in poverty or make money from the game he damaged, it's hard to completely damn him for every move he makes on Afreeca. There are a lot of jobs that don't require that much of an education. Take for example Lomo or Ruby, with the same educational situation they achieved quite successful careers. And the ones like Hwasin or fake yellow who share the same "taint" as savior, I think they are doing well enough with regular jobs without having to leech on naive BW fans. They had the decency to stop for good. Savior presence on Afreeca only taints Afreeca streamers image, and only savior and only him is the one who gets any benefits from it. On December 05 2013 23:43 Lorch wrote: Fuck savior and all he has done and what not. But there are very few players who are mainly interested in making the game they play big. If you blame savior for that you also need to hate on A LOT of other players. That's some stupid fallacy logic. Savior is detrimental to BW whereas all the rest aren't. Savior as all the rest may enjoy and be passionate about the game, but he's either selfish or so naive to insist in taking part of the public scene after his doings. It only brings bad things and he is the only one to benefit from it. | ||
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perfidiusrex
Belgium78 Posts
On December 05 2013 23:58 GeckoXp wrote: Since this is brought on so often, another question: What else can he do? I have no idea about his educational background, but would anyone want to hire savior in the real world for any job? If his choice is to either live in poverty or make money from the game he damaged, it's hard to completely damn him for every move he makes on Afreeca. man honestly if he actually have the balls of steel that people here claim he does he will do this:drop bw,pick up sc2 or dota2 or lol and move to a foreign team where no one gives a damn about the bw scandals bla bla bla and then start ravaging the iems,dreamhacks,online cups etc.if he wins he would be the perfect villain. jaedong vs savior dreamhack final in sc2 would be more epic than jaedong vs flash. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On December 06 2013 02:35 perfidiusrex wrote: man honestly if he actually have the balls of steel that people here claim he does he will do this:drop bw,pick up sc2 or dota2 or lol and move to a foreign team where no one gives a damn about the bw scandals bla bla bla and then start ravaging the iems,dreamhacks,online cups etc.if he wins he would be the perfect villain. jaedong vs savior dreamhack final in sc2 would be more epic than jaedong vs flash. If he takes on SC2, my respect for him will just go down that lower. | ||
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archonOOid
1983 Posts
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19367 Posts
On December 05 2013 23:58 GeckoXp wrote: Since this is brought on so often, another question: What else can he do? I have no idea about his educational background, but would anyone want to hire savior in the real world for any job? If his choice is to either live in poverty or make money from the game he damaged, it's hard to completely damn him for every move he makes on Afreeca. I'd like to address this. 1. He has a criminal record. It will make it hard for him to get jobs because he broke the law and that's what happens. But his infraction won't prevent him from be able to work in other jobs. 2. Savior has the same opportunity as everyone else to work his ass off at minimum wage and pay for education. I worked 3 jobs and 60 hour weeks for years out of high school. If Savior can't make it on his own outside of Starcraft its because he is lazy and isn't taking responsibility for himself. No matter what, we can't justify letting him play Starcraft "because it's his only source of income". Its called being an adult and get a job no matter what. And anyone who has actually had to struggle in life economically like me will understand my sentiment. | ||
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