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On December 04 2013 01:53 11cc wrote:
You're wrong. I would love to watch BW again. I think it's a more fun game to watch than SC2. But the thing is, the community around it is kind of important too. I never would've stopped watching bw if the OSL and Proleague would've stayed with bw. But I did because the bw scene felt pretty dead for a while. There has been something of a resurgence and I am happy about that but as long as savior is competing the scene is tainted.
It's just, I don't see how this is a problem.
Let's see, you want to watch some korean BW, except if you really want to watch sAviOr on his afreeca stream, you'll not see him at all. SSL is free from him, snipealot streams too. TLS? Same deal, no one will have a glimpse at sAviOr either. It's not like you'll have to watch games with him even if you don't want to, because he's not in those tournaments.
The "scene" - and I do dislike this word - is an excuse more than anything else.
If a player I liked decided to play Basketball/Football in another country because of some match fixing scandale, why would I care? I don't have to be in love with those sports in the 200~ countries in the world. That's the same for BW to me, korean BW is still korean BW, and the guy isn't there.
And I left BW around 2010 because too much K-pop, definitely a worse reason than yours. 
But went back for SSL and TLS!
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I think its kinda weird how the chinese in the first place invited SaviOr to China to play. Maybe they were lacking viewership? And I thought Blizzard had nothing to do with BW tournaments ever since SCII came out?
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Let the guy play, I want saviOr to come over to sc2 and see what he's made of
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On December 04 2013 00:54 Rekrul wrote:
I agree and thats my point in this thread. People want to completely vilify and denounce Savior while mostly ignoring everything else.
And what's really funny to me is if Savior had come out with some bullshit apology and shown some fake remorse a lot of people's attitudes on these forums or Korean forums would be totally different.
I think that depends on how good of an actor savior is. If it was clear it wasn't a remorseful apology, and that he didn't regret his actions I'm not sure I agree. Now, if he knows how to bullshit well and appear sincere then yea you're unquestionably spot on.
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On December 04 2013 00:54 Rekrul wrote:
I agree and thats my point in this thread. People want to completely vilify and denounce Savior while mostly ignoring everything else.
And what's really funny to me is if Savior had come out with some bullshit apology and shown some fake remorse a lot of people's attitudes on these forums or Korean forums would be totally different.
I'll speak for myself because I really hate throwing around generalizations that aren't grounded. I respect IPXZerg as a player prior to the scandal; however, I never truly embraced his personality and attitude. This goes way back. Before he started winning everything and what followed next.
If he did come out to apologize I wouldn't accept it. Actions always speak louder than words and Rek you know how many hackers we've caught in the past and so forth. Not everyone changes their ways (remember how many guys we caught trying to pull off the same old tricks in such little time?). I have a really hard time believing people would be so accepting if he just gave some bullshit apology.
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So society is even giving murderers a second chance and releases them after several years of imprisonment to incorporate them into itself again but you want to forbid someone to play a freaking game of chess because he cheated once at it?
I am disgusted how people fall for all that corporate propaganda shit. Kespa doesn't own a game or tourney of starcraft and you know what, not even blizzard does anymore. If you build such a ramba-zamba about this game and start treating it as a tournament sport the sport stands on its own, no matter wheter the english invented it or some imkas. Kespa is in it's own right to exclude savior from it's own tournaments but they can't forbid him to play the game itself.
Get a grip people, that guy has rights too.
€dit: Not to say how much money kespa mongered with saviors image and how much he helped the bw scene with his play and popularity, you people should be thankful and show some fucking respect. He was sentenced and sat it off. The issue is done. Stop being so entitled and judge others. Some of those comments and the attitudes of the people behind it sicken me.
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He posted an apology in 2010 which I mentioned 2 pages ago, so it's not a question of if, a lot of people just don't want to hear it.
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On December 04 2013 05:13 oBlade wrote:He posted an apology in 2010 which I mentioned 2 pages ago, so it's not a question of if, a lot of people just don't want to hear it.
"I have to accept that I have to give up my life as a gamer."
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On December 04 2013 05:13 oBlade wrote:He posted an apology in 2010 which I mentioned 2 pages ago, so it's not a question of if, a lot of people just don't want to hear it.
Oh snap, haters must be mad.
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On December 04 2013 05:29 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 05:13 oBlade wrote:He posted an apology in 2010 which I mentioned 2 pages ago, so it's not a question of if, a lot of people just don't want to hear it. Oh snap, haters must be mad.
I sure as heck forgot about that, but once again I refer back to what I said earlier about actions speak louder than words. Apologies like that are just lip service.
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On December 04 2013 05:19 Stratos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 05:13 oBlade wrote:He posted an apology in 2010 which I mentioned 2 pages ago, so it's not a question of if, a lot of people just don't want to hear it. "I have to accept that I have to give up my life as a gamer."
Best post in this whole damn thread.
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awww weak, fuck savior i hope he is banned and burns forever
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On December 04 2013 05:29 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 05:13 oBlade wrote:He posted an apology in 2010 which I mentioned 2 pages ago, so it's not a question of if, a lot of people just don't want to hear it. Oh snap, haters must be mad.
Not to take a side on this, but the "haters" could poke a lot of holes in that apology. That "apology" conveniently absolves Savior of all blame and wrongdoing. Detractors could very easily say the apology was Savior's attempt to cover his ass and support their position by citing such comedy gold as, I have to accept that I have to give up my life as a gamer.
In the end, people that already like Savior will use the article to find excuses for Savior while people that already hate Savior will use the article as an opportunity to hate him even more.
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On December 04 2013 06:01 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 05:29 Xiphos wrote:On December 04 2013 05:13 oBlade wrote:He posted an apology in 2010 which I mentioned 2 pages ago, so it's not a question of if, a lot of people just don't want to hear it. Oh snap, haters must be mad. Not to take a side on this, but the "haters" could poke a lot of holes in that apology. That "apology" conveniently absolves Savior of all blame and wrongdoing. Detractors could very easily say the apology was Savior's attempt to cover his ass and support their position by citing such comedy gold as I have to accept that I have to give up my life as a gamer. In the end, people that already like Savior will use the article to find excuses for Savior while people that already hate Savior will use the article as an opportunity to hate him even more.
Not once did I mention about which side
All I care about is the continuation of scnTV's support for BW in future.
If you are going against them by wanting to shut them down, then you are against the growth of BW scene.
And if sAviOr associates with that organization then by proxy I have to defend him too. Its choosing the lesser of the two evils. Kespa butthurt guys that wants to stir up shit again to stunt BW's growth or allowing a tourny w/ one bad apple. I know which one to side in this one.
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On December 04 2013 06:07 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 06:01 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:On December 04 2013 05:29 Xiphos wrote:On December 04 2013 05:13 oBlade wrote:He posted an apology in 2010 which I mentioned 2 pages ago, so it's not a question of if, a lot of people just don't want to hear it. Oh snap, haters must be mad. Not to take a side on this, but the "haters" could poke a lot of holes in that apology. That "apology" conveniently absolves Savior of all blame and wrongdoing. Detractors could very easily say the apology was Savior's attempt to cover his ass and support their position by citing such comedy gold as I have to accept that I have to give up my life as a gamer. In the end, people that already like Savior will use the article to find excuses for Savior while people that already hate Savior will use the article as an opportunity to hate him even more. Not once did I mention about which side All I care about is the continuation of scnTV's support for BW in future. If you are going against them by wanting to shut them down, then you are against the growth of BW scene. And if sAviOr associates with that organization then by proxy I have to defend him too. Its choosing the lesser of the two evils. Kespa butthurt guys that wants to stir up shit again to stunt BW's growth or allowing a tourny w/ one bad apple. I know which one to side in this one.
Ah. I assumed that, since you were calling the Savior detractors "haters", a rather derogatory term, you were on the pro-Savior side of the debate. Then again, "hater" is very often used simply for the sake of convenience these days, rather than to imply blind hatred of something.
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I think it's fair to say the number of people here who want SCNTV BW to shut down over savior is quite close to zero.
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On December 04 2013 05:56 Rekrul wrote:
awww weak, fuck savior i hope he is banned and burns forever
its not like the guy cheated to win. he cheated to make even more cash, just a little too clever for most people. hes not lance armstrong, whom people are still forgiving, because he's the one balled rider and had him a book ghostwritten in which he makes ppl feel sympathy for him. savior on the other side never said shit and doesnt seek for forgiveness, not following anything since blizzard released the sims in space 2 and sims in space 2: new interieur and haircuts, so feel free to correct me on this one.
but if so, this just makes him a pretty legit guy, as legit as you can be after you've fucked up like he did. and he won, so he's still better than you rek.
oh and please, you want to support the only 2 companies who could've saved bw in trying to fuck shit up even more? you can say what you want, savior still cares about bw, if he just wanted money he'd play the easymode.
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On December 04 2013 06:23 [DUF]MethodMan wrote:
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Rek said that because sAviOr made some apologies (if i'm not mistaken).
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On December 04 2013 06:17 Stratos wrote:
I think it's fair to say the number of people here who want SCNTV BW to shut down over savior is quite close to zero.
Who would want any BW organization to shut down nowadays if they are providing good tournaments. I would just rather see them invite Bisu / Jangbi / Sea etc.
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