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thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5497 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-01 11:37:35
February 01 2014 11:25 GMT
#661
By overused I mean everything from Aztec, Tau Cross, Heartbreak Ridge to Jade and Electric Circuit.

I know that these maps are considered fairly balanced, but it's not like there aren't any alternatives (BTW isn't Aztec broken for Zerg, why does it get used so much following that logic)

Replace Electric Circuit with Medusa
Replace Aztec with Othello
Replace Outsider with Triathlon
Replace Destination with Mist
Replace Fighting Spirit with that inverted version of Fighting Spirit since we are so in love with this map. Nature Wing

Poll: Foreign leagues should:

Keep the map pool the way it is (5)
 
31%

Remove overused maps like Fighting Spirit and add Foreigner made maps. (3)
 
19%

Mix these commonly used maps with unused maps (3)
 
19%

Remove overused maps like Fighting Spirit and add a variety of unused maps (SOSPA,KESPA and Foreign) (3)
 
19%

Remove overused maps like Fighting Spirit and add new SOSPA maps (1)
 
6%

Remove overused maps like Fighting Spirit and add older KESPA maps (1)
 
6%

16 total votes

Your vote: Foreign leagues should:

(Vote): Remove overused maps like Fighting Spirit and add Foreigner made maps.
(Vote): Remove overused maps like Fighting Spirit and add new SOSPA maps
(Vote): Remove overused maps like Fighting Spirit and add older KESPA maps
(Vote): Mix these commonly used maps with unused maps
(Vote): Keep the map pool the way it is
(Vote): Remove overused maps like Fighting Spirit and add a variety of unused maps (SOSPA,KESPA and Foreign)



Map pack by CrystalDrag
http://i45.tinypic.com/9j2cdc.jpg Let it be so!
thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5497 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-01 11:42:25
February 01 2014 11:39 GMT
#662
This wasn't directly meant for STL since they've been very liberal with their use of Foreigner maps, but the fact that even the STL is still using Fighting Spirit and Destination, arguably the two most overplayed maps in the history of BW...
http://i45.tinypic.com/9j2cdc.jpg Let it be so!
skzlime
Profile Joined July 2005
Hungary462 Posts
February 01 2014 12:00 GMT
#663
bring back python and LT pls
i want martian cross and dahlia of jungle!!!
life is balanced, L2P
Bakuryu
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany1065 Posts
February 01 2014 12:01 GMT
#664
On February 01 2014 19:36 Freakling wrote:
I did not exactly randomize them but shuffled them around to give the maps that weren't used much so far more games while maintaining a good distribution (not having all the two player maps togeter etc.). Out of the given map pool FS was the obvious choice as new ace map, even though it was already in the 6th slot before and therefore hasn't had many games.


ok, thx for answer
GeckoXp
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Germany2016 Posts
February 01 2014 13:41 GMT
#665
On February 01 2014 21:00 skzlime wrote:
bring back python and LT pls
i want martian cross and dahlia of jungle!!!


Petition: Bifrost.

Also, go away with Jade, boring map.
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
February 01 2014 14:21 GMT
#666
On February 01 2014 20:25 thezanursic wrote:
By overused I mean everything from Aztec, Tau Cross, Heartbreak Ridge to Jade and Electric Circuit.

I know that these maps are considered fairly balanced, but it's not like there aren't any alternatives (BTW isn't Aztec broken for Zerg, why does it get used so much following that logic)

People pick Aztec a lot cause the other options for 3p maps are all pretty bad. The asymmetricalness can really fuck up mirrors too. That's also why you see Tau so much too cause some see it as a lesser evil compared to some other maps.

Also, dunno why you suggest Medusa and then complain about Zerg imba on Medusa when at least Protoss can actually get a third gas on Aztec compared to Medusa. (That is another issue with 3p maps where zergs can generally just take 2/3 of the map starving out their opponents.)
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thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5497 Posts
February 01 2014 14:48 GMT
#667
On February 01 2014 23:21 Harem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2014 20:25 thezanursic wrote:
By overused I mean everything from Aztec, Tau Cross, Heartbreak Ridge to Jade and Electric Circuit.

I know that these maps are considered fairly balanced, but it's not like there aren't any alternatives (BTW isn't Aztec broken for Zerg, why does it get used so much following that logic)

People pick Aztec a lot cause the other options for 3p maps are all pretty bad. The asymmetricalness can really fuck up mirrors too. That's also why you see Tau so much too cause some see it as a lesser evil compared to some other maps.

Also, dunno why you suggest Medusa and then complain about Zerg imba on Medusa when at least Protoss can actually get a third gas on Aztec compared to Medusa. (That is another issue with 3p maps where zergs can generally just take 2/3 of the map starving out their opponents.)

As long as leagues stop using FS and Destination, I'll be happy.
http://i45.tinypic.com/9j2cdc.jpg Let it be so!
dRaW
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada5744 Posts
February 01 2014 17:05 GMT
#668
IMO polls are useless unless you get like 100 votes. FS and destination are pretty much the best maps, they could integrate circuit breakers more and I like Byzantium personally but not many others do. I also agree that most 3p maps are imbalanced, but Medusa is more fun to play on than Aztec.
I don't need luck, luck is for noobs, good luck to you though
nekotrap
Profile Joined April 2011
130 Posts
February 01 2014 17:27 GMT
#669
On February 01 2014 23:21 Harem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2014 20:25 thezanursic wrote:
By overused I mean everything from Aztec, Tau Cross, Heartbreak Ridge to Jade and Electric Circuit.

I know that these maps are considered fairly balanced, but it's not like there aren't any alternatives (BTW isn't Aztec broken for Zerg, why does it get used so much following that logic)

People pick Aztec a lot cause the other options for 3p maps are all pretty bad. The asymmetricalness can really fuck up mirrors too. That's also why you see Tau so much too cause some see it as a lesser evil compared to some other maps.

Also, dunno why you suggest Medusa and then complain about Zerg imba on Medusa when at least Protoss can actually get a third gas on Aztec compared to Medusa. (That is another issue with 3p maps where zergs can generally just take 2/3 of the map starving out their opponents.)

It's a nice change though to be able to split a map as zerg and starve out the other race instead.
A broken carrot is more than enough for the likes of you
FyRe_DragOn
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada2056 Posts
February 01 2014 17:49 GMT
#670
On February 01 2014 20:16 thezanursic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2014 12:13 FyRe_DragOn wrote:
i wish the ace map had been fs during regular season, fuck destination lol

We've already seen both FS and Destination played hundreds of times in the past 4 years, if it were up to me I'd just remove them and replace them with either SOSPA maps(Mist)/Unused KESPA maps (Athena, Triathlon, a myriad of other maps)/New foreigner made maps.

+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: Foreign leagues should:

Keep the map pool the way it is (5)
 
31%

Remove overused maps like Fighting Spirit and add Foreigner made maps. (3)
 
19%

Mix these commonly used maps with unused maps (3)
 
19%

Remove overused maps like Fighting Spirit and add a variety of unused maps (SOSPA,KESPA and Foreign) (3)
 
19%

Remove overused maps like Fighting Spirit and add new SOSPA maps (1)
 
6%

Remove overused maps like Fighting Spirit and add older KESPA maps (1)
 
6%

16 total votes

Your vote: Foreign leagues should:

(Vote): Remove overused maps like Fighting Spirit and add Foreigner made maps.
(Vote): Remove overused maps like Fighting Spirit and add new SOSPA maps
(Vote): Remove overused maps like Fighting Spirit and add older KESPA maps
(Vote): Mix these commonly used maps with unused maps
(Vote): Keep the map pool the way it is
(Vote): Remove overused maps like Fighting Spirit and add a variety of unused maps (SOSPA,KESPA and Foreign)



IMO we should definitely integrate the new SOSPA maps, but unused KESPA maps are unused for a reason, a lot of them are heavily imbalanced. New foreigner made maps are great too, id really like to see both the new SOSPA and foreigner maps integrated into the iccup map pack and MOTW so people can practice on them more easily
aka DragOn[NaS]
thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5497 Posts
February 01 2014 18:37 GMT
#671
On February 02 2014 02:05 dRaW wrote:
IMO polls are useless unless you get like 100 votes. FS and destination are pretty much the best maps, they could integrate circuit breakers more and I like Byzantium personally but not many others do. I also agree that most 3p maps are imbalanced, but Medusa is more fun to play on than Aztec.

But why not mix it up and use Nature wing instead of Fighting spirit for instance.
http://i45.tinypic.com/9j2cdc.jpg Let it be so!
Game
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3191 Posts
February 01 2014 19:43 GMT
#672
On February 02 2014 03:37 thezanursic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2014 02:05 dRaW wrote:
IMO polls are useless unless you get like 100 votes. FS and destination are pretty much the best maps, they could integrate circuit breakers more and I like Byzantium personally but not many others do. I also agree that most 3p maps are imbalanced, but Medusa is more fun to play on than Aztec.

But why not mix it up and use Nature wing instead of Fighting spirit for instance.

I want to use Peaceful Hills.
SC is like sex. You should play often, but never too hard. And you should only try hard when it matters.
skzlime
Profile Joined July 2005
Hungary462 Posts
February 01 2014 20:09 GMT
#673
are you guys making these up? i want crystallis
life is balanced, L2P
thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5497 Posts
February 10 2014 15:55 GMT
#674
I've noticed that not all STL1 games have been input into TLPD, yet.

Just throwing it out there so it's not forgotten since the league is over.
http://i45.tinypic.com/9j2cdc.jpg Let it be so!
GeckoXp
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Germany2016 Posts
February 10 2014 16:38 GMT
#675
On February 11 2014 00:55 thezanursic wrote:
I've noticed that not all STL1 games have been input into TLPD, yet.

Just throwing it out there so it's not forgotten since the league is over.


This is my fault entirely, same goes for the irregular and late Liquipedia Edits (up to some point). My motivation to contribute to the active BW scene (covering, adding results, organizing, w/e) is on some sort of extreme low - without accusing anyone now. Actually, a small "accusation", more like a BIG suggestion to every organizer ever: please do not change a player's nick twice per week. This is so upsetting if there is no understandable history of the changes. I actually thought about updating TLPD yesterday and then let it go. It's horribly bugged and I have no idea which player is who now (glow -> Dewalt aha, DienMax is who now? Gundan? Who is Hope? Is Hope Hope or Talent, or what, and what the heck about Widowkiller or whoever it is who turned out to be some sort of Modesty and what not).

The rosters on liquipedia got changed all the time, I can't really understand if those were transfers or just nick changes. Hence, no idea who's who - and that's info I'd need to complete the TLPD / Statistics page. As for the statistics page, I'd probably have to re-make it and change back the player's old akas, before I can do anything. Just so much work for the few who're interested >_>
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