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Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8136 Posts
9 hours ago
#9941
Is the worker moving shot technique something that was always possible? Or did it only become possible with remastered higher turn rate? Because i don’t remember seeing pros ever do that before remastered but maybe I’m just forgetting?
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Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10200 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-10-17 23:50:07
9 hours ago
#9942
On October 18 2025 08:44 Ideas wrote:
Is the worker moving shot technique something that was always possible? Or did it only become possible with remastered higher turn rate? Because i don’t remember seeing pros ever do that before remastered but maybe I’m just forgetting?

Always possible, and they would be playing on LAN most of the time back then so definitely possible. It just wasn't as heavily pronounced, is my guess; mechanical creep is real. But there was* at least one famous clip of Bisu, I believe it was vs. Hwasin, from the KeSPA era out there somewhere.
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tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19144 Posts
9 hours ago
#9943
On October 18 2025 08:44 Ideas wrote:
Is the worker moving shot technique something that was always possible? Or did it only become possible with remastered higher turn rate? Because i don’t remember seeing pros ever do that before remastered but maybe I’m just forgetting?

Pre vs Post isn't a huge comparison. A lot of things were discovered in the old days and never applied, but as time has gone on every minute advantage has been explored and applied as much as possible.
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perfectspheres
Profile Joined September 2025
33 Posts
7 hours ago
#9944
On October 18 2025 02:54 KwarK wrote:
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On October 17 2025 22:07 perfectspheres wrote:
On October 16 2025 03:12 Jealous wrote:
On October 16 2025 02:20 perfectspheres wrote:
hey, made a change to liquipedia. it said firebats do (8) (+1) (x3), when they actually do (8) (+1) (x2).

it said: "Your changes will be displayed to readers once an authorized user accepts them."

can someone who is an authorized user accept the changes? made the edit a few days ago. thanks 😁😁

What is your source and reasoning for this change? As far as I know, you are straight up incorrect, but I welcome being corrected.

ETA: If everyone posted every time there was a delay in approving changes, that is all this forum would be, in my experience. Editors with access to approve changes are relatively few in number and changes to base stats should be heavily scrutinized before any change is made. Waiting for an edit to go through is normal. Remember, most of the people processing these edits are unpaid volunteers, and there aren't as many watching the BW pages as there are elsewhere, both in Liquipedia and in terms of the internet at large. I've seen situations where months go by between suggested edit and approval/dismissal. Just to temper your expectations for any future edits you make.

On October 16 2025 02:38 DiMiaN wrote:
I’ve accepted your changes, but feel free to discuss if we should revert back to x3.
Found this: https://www.reddit.com/r/broodwar/comments/j69o9x/did_you_know_that_the_firebat_actually/

Why approve changes which are demonstrably false? Just because usually only 2 out of 3 attacks hit, that doesn't mean that it is always the case. Leaving it at x3 with the note below explaining why it might sometimes be 1 or 2 makes much more sense to me than changing it to x2 when it is sometimes x3 also.

I haven't checked all of them, but from what I recall, unit pages post the maximum damage the unit can deal, not what damage they sometimes deal because of situations like moving targets or targets being too small or targets having some armor class or whatever. It's cleaner and makes more sense IMO.

I've done a change rollback until perfectspheres posts some proof that x2 is accurate and x3 is not.


You can try playing the game to see what it says for the damage in-game. It's 16 base damage (concussive), 8x2 flamethrowers.

They do splash damage. Saying they do 24 damage would be like saying siege tanks can 100+ damage per shot in siege mode.

Perhaps the splash should be listed as well (similar to mutalisks' 9-3-1), but the base damage listed in game for firebats is 16, not 24 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♂️

I believe the game is wrong. It’s been a long time since I read it but I think a large enough unit can be hit by all 3 attacks. Most of the time only 2 will apply to a single target but there are technically 3 or something.


Looks like our analogy with the siege tanks was incorrect. Firebats have a unique splash.

But yes, it appears in most instances they will do 8 concussive damage (x2). Sometimes against large units they will do a third "splash" hit (if we are talking damage to a single target).


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goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44218 Posts
7 hours ago
#9945


I assume dweb not being utilized alot vs terran is just cause fleet is expensive ? Dweb makes sense vs the tank comp here

On October 17 2025 23:53 prosatan wrote:
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On October 17 2025 20:50 goody153 wrote:
On October 17 2025 20:13 prosatan wrote:
We're in for a treat !

Jaedong vs Bisu in a Bo 3 right now !

Is there any english casted stuff of this ? Or most of these games come from the soop stream ?

don't think so goody

rip i cant korean
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43160 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-10-18 02:29:58
7 hours ago
#9946
It's the same issue you have with queens. If you have a queens nest you should just go defiler. If you have a fleet beacon you should just go carrier. They're good but they're overshadowed.
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