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Ideas
United States8182 Posts
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Jealous
10420 Posts
On October 18 2025 08:44 Ideas wrote: Is the worker moving shot technique something that was always possible? Or did it only become possible with remastered higher turn rate? Because i don’t remember seeing pros ever do that before remastered but maybe I’m just forgetting? Always possible, and they would be playing on LAN most of the time back then so definitely possible. It just wasn't as heavily pronounced, is my guess; mechanical creep is real. But there was* at least one famous clip of Bisu, I believe it was vs. Hwasin, from the KeSPA era out there somewhere. | ||
tofucake
Hyrule19269 Posts
On October 18 2025 08:44 Ideas wrote: Is the worker moving shot technique something that was always possible? Or did it only become possible with remastered higher turn rate? Because i don’t remember seeing pros ever do that before remastered but maybe I’m just forgetting? Pre vs Post isn't a huge comparison. A lot of things were discovered in the old days and never applied, but as time has gone on every minute advantage has been explored and applied as much as possible. | ||
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perfectspheres
108 Posts
On October 18 2025 02:54 KwarK wrote: I believe the game is wrong. It’s been a long time since I read it but I think a large enough unit can be hit by all 3 attacks. Most of the time only 2 will apply to a single target but there are technically 3 or something. Looks like our analogy with the siege tanks was incorrect. Firebats have a unique splash. But yes, it appears in most instances they will do 8 concussive damage (x2). Sometimes against large units they will do a third "splash" hit (if we are talking damage to a single target). They can also splash multiple enemies. | ||
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goody153
44313 Posts
I assume dweb not being utilized alot vs terran is just cause fleet is expensive ? Dweb makes sense vs the tank comp here rip i cant korean | ||
KwarK
United States44451 Posts
If you have the skill and resource to close a game out with carriers 70/30 from the position you’re in then you can make that 30/70 by going sairs. And 30% of the time you’ll conclude that sairs are good. | ||
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Timebon3s
Norway772 Posts
Mainly because of the heavy economic impact it has early in the game. However, in extreme lategame situations I can imaging it would be of great effect in breaking Terran pushes. But it’s micro intensive and would you be better of microing shuttles and templars? | ||
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goody153
44313 Posts
What mod is this ? On October 18 2025 22:58 Timebon3s wrote: I think Corsair vs Terran is not good as shown by the Artosis vid. Mainly because of the heavy economic impact it has early in the game. However, in extreme lategame situations I can imaging it would be of great effect in breaking Terran pushes. But it’s micro intensive and would you be better of microing shuttles and templars? True but I have seen shuttles getting shutdown before dropping or templars just dying upon landing | ||
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ScoutWBF
Germany641 Posts
Should be this: https://staredit.net/topic/17827/ | ||
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goody153
44313 Posts
On October 19 2025 06:23 ScoutWBF wrote: Streamed mention it as "When One Domino Falls". Should be this: https://staredit.net/topic/17827/ Looks like it too. Thanks ! But how do you even install this ? The entire post doesnt say at all from the creator at all | ||
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RogueTheGOAT
166 Posts
On October 18 2025 11:18 goody153 wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8SARcE1Mio I assume dweb not being utilized alot vs terran is just cause fleet is expensive ? Dweb makes sense vs the tank comp here Even in that game it looked garbage. | ||
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perfectspheres
108 Posts
Man that guy was something else 🤷♂️🤷♀️ | ||
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prosatan
Romania9437 Posts
On October 20 2025 02:21 perfectspheres wrote: Was watching a few Jaedong games from Winners league back in the day. Jaedong vs Iris on Sin Chupung-Ryeong in particular. Man that guy was something else 🤷♂️🤷♀️ 100% agree with perfectspheres !!  | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium7221 Posts
On October 20 2025 02:21 perfectspheres wrote: Was watching a few Jaedong games from Winners league back in the day. Jaedong vs Iris on Sin Chupung-Ryeong in particular. Man that guy was something else 🤷♂️🤷♀️ Do yourself a favour and watch this. Proly the best game i have seen on that map. | ||
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RogueTheGOAT
166 Posts
On October 20 2025 02:58 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: Do yourself a favour and watch this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qib20kcWS2o Proly the best game i have seen on that map. That was a pretty garbage game. Zerg is going to have a damn near 100% win rate if the Terran player doesn't cross the halfway point of the map for 10 minutes. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5238 Posts
On October 20 2025 02:58 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: Do yourself a favour and watch this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qib20kcWS2o Proly the best game i have seen on that map. The Doom Zoom Fantasy Gulp always gets me. Got I hated his ass at that time. This was also the time where Jaedong showcased his 2 control group muta micro. Man he was such a force of nature. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium7221 Posts
On October 20 2025 06:32 RogueTheGOAT wrote: That was a pretty garbage game. Zerg is going to have a damn near 100% win rate if the Terran player doesn't cross the halfway point of the map for 10 minutes. broski that was in 2008. What Jaedong did there was pretty revolutionary. Fantasy was also a Terran player that was getting an insane rise. And everyone was expecting the clash between him and Jaedong. (They never played before this game ) And while true about the 10 minutes timing thing. There was a lot of mindgames going. Jaedong opened lurker on this map. So is not like Fantasy was free to walk out as he pleases. When the first engament happened it was truly impressive cuz Jaedong used two different types of spells casters and made it work in a critical timing. Also take in consideration before remastered. Brood War didnt have an ingame timer. So you will follow timings based on buildings or supply. Is not like in today era of Remastered that there is a timer that helps a ton with keeping you on pace for everything. Anyway i think is a gem from the past. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium7221 Posts
On October 20 2025 06:51 Uldridge wrote: The Doom Zoom Fantasy Gulp always gets me. Got I hated his ass at that time. This was also the time where Jaedong showcased his 2 control group muta micro. Man he was such a force of nature. Personally i didnt hate him i actually always loved watching his games and his uniques builds. I loved to play those valkyrie builds myself even if i wasnt a terran lol. | ||
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RogueTheGOAT
166 Posts
On October 20 2025 07:03 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: broski that was in 2008. What Jaedong did there was pretty revolutionary. Fantasy was also a Terran player that was getting an insane rise. And everyone was expecting the clash between him and Jaedong. (They never played before this game ) And while true about the 10 minutes timing thing. There was a lot of mindgames going. Jaedong opened lurker on this map. So is not like Fantasy was free to walk out as he pleases. When the first engament happened it was truly impressive cuz Jaedong used two different types of spells casters and made it work in a critical timing. Also take in consideration before remastered. Brood War didnt have an ingame timer. So you will follow timings based on buildings or supply. Is not like in today era of Remastered that there is a timer that helps a ton with keeping you on pace for everything. Anyway i think is a gem from the past. 2008 was 10 years after the release of the game. I'm pretty sure people figured out that you didn't play 10 minutes no rush and expect to win within a few months of release. The fact that there weren't mutas harassing his base says that Fantasy was absolutely free to walk out as he pleased. Had he done any scouting, he'd have figured that out. Fantasy played the game like he had a plan to defend muta harassment and then counter attack and then his brain completely short circuited when the mutas didn't come. | ||
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perfectspheres
108 Posts
On October 20 2025 02:58 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: Do yourself a favour and watch this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qib20kcWS2o Proly the best game i have seen on that map. Just watched it, that was pretty cool. Not sure if 3 hatchery play is viable these days, but that was 3 hatch lurker vs 2 rax academy...and Jaedong took it pretty easily. Don't think Zerg is a race where you can just pick one build all the time (at least vs Terran), and have consistent success unless you are absolutely insane at the game... Maybe the 2.5 hatch early 3rd where you take your 3rd base at 300 minerals instead of saving for mutas, then popping out 3 or 4 mutas to start instead of 6-7. Terran has to prepare for the mutas anyway, so it's kind of like Protoss taking early 3rds vs Terran while they have to prepare to defend tech plays with armory/ebay/academy. Was also wondering whether skip spire vs Terran would be viable, then all of a sudden you see ensnare from Jaedong. Ensnare effectively brings stimmed marines/firebats back to normal...negating stim really takes some of the punching power and mobility away from Terran bio 🤷♀️🤷♂️ | ||
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