EPTThis is not tragic. This is hubris.
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GunSlinger
614 Posts
This is not tragic. This is hubris. | ||
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Ej_
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And hubris is a recurring trope in Greek tragedies  The irony of Light losing PvT vs ForGG actually makes the entire situation straight out of a tragedy lol | ||
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GunSlinger
614 Posts
On April 01 2019 01:48 Ej_ wrote: And hubris is a recurring trope in Greek tragedies The irony of Light losing PvT vs ForGG actually makes the entire situation straight out of a tragedy lol While what you say is true, Light's narrative here is atypical of a person brought down by their own hubris rather than the 'tragic circumstances' that might have constituted the rest of the narrative. Light is entirely responsible for his ultimate failure in the KSL qualifiers. For this to be a 'true' tragedy, Light's decision to play Protoss would have had to be something quite beyond his control. As we know, it was fully his decision. A stupid one at that (let's be real lol). So while it might be a trope in ancient Greek tragedies; the act of hubris we are discussing here is not tragic but rather quite comedic. I mean, aesthetically speaking and even in modern modes of thought, this is as ironic and comedic as it gets. Light going 14 CC twice in the ASL was another act of hubris that could be thought of as tragic. Since that time around the decision to go 14 CC in the first game was a very reasonable one, but choosing that opening again in the second game was a tragic act of hubris on his part, as he could have very easily made it out of his group if he really wanted to. Light's behavior overall has been essentially self-sabotage. I watch his stream enough to see that his P is not even close to good enough to take that group. | ||
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
Hubris is extreme pride and arrogance shown by a character, which ultimately brings about his downfall. Hubris is a typical flaw in the personality of a character who enjoys a powerful position; as a result of which, he overestimates his capabilities to such an extent that he loses contact with reality. Basically Lights thought processes were: Terran is underpowered and i am so great! The reason i am struggling must be due to this imbalance and I am much better! If i play with the imbalanced race I, as the better player suffering unjustly imbalanced maps, will win. Arrogant, loss of contact with reality. | ||
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
For the first time in his life, Light has received over ₩10,000,000 (as a point of reference, same as the KSL prize money for getting second place) worth of balloons within a single month after trying out the protoss race. Viewers are generally interested to see how good somebody's off-race is, and as a streamer who never generated much attention or controversy, Light's venture as a competitive protoss player is gathering a lot of attention. Further more, given relatively equal level of skill, protoss players in general tend to get more balloons (probably because the protoss user base is the greatest in number). In this month of March, Light has received more balloons than top terran players such as Last, Sharp, and Mind. The only terran ex-professional to receive more balloons this past month has been Flash. Something tells me Light isn't doing this simply for a false sense of competitive edge. | ||
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ggsimida
1156 Posts
On April 01 2019 11:35 Letmelose wrote: From a competitive perspective, Light's off-race adventures has been an utter failure so far (this is despite the fact that he is generally regarded as being one of the best random users in the scene). However, there's another element that needs to be discussed to fully understand Light's decisions as a streamer on top of being a highly respected ex-professional. For the first time in his life, Light has received over ₩10,000,000 worth of balloons within a single month after trying out the protoss race. Viewers are generally interested to see how good somebody's off-race is, and as a streamer who never generated much attention or controversy, Light's venture as a competitive protoss player is gathering a lot of attention. Further more, given relatively equal level of skill, protoss players in general tend to get more balloons (probably because the protoss user base is the greatest in number). In this month of March, Light has received more balloons than top terran players such as Last, Sharp, and Mind. The only terran ex-professional to receive more balloons this past month has been Flash. Something tells me Light isn't doing this simply for a false sense of competitive edge. the publicity/monetary benefits from the initial excitement/curiosity the stunt stoked with the afreeca viewerbase won't last very long unless he gets results with it as well. his play is not particularly flashy or exciting either and nothing suggests that will ever materialise. and in the end, streamer popularity (and the $$ that comes with it) is primarily down to a combination of general talent and entertainment, light has always ranked better than most terrans in that aspect, thats why the stunt works well for him thus far. example, forgg isn't going to become one of the most popular streamers just because he decide to switch to protoss for good one day. | ||
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Jealous
10392 Posts
On April 01 2019 11:35 Letmelose wrote: From a competitive perspective, Light's off-race adventures has been an utter failure so far (this is despite the fact that he is generally regarded as being one of the best random users in the scene). However, there's another element that needs to be discussed to fully understand Light's decisions as a streamer on top of being a highly respected ex-professional. For the first time in his life, Light has received over ₩10,000,000 (as a point of reference, same as the KSL prize money for getting second place) worth of balloons within a single month after trying out the protoss race. Viewers are generally interested to see how good somebody's off-race is, and as a streamer who never generated much attention or controversy, Light's venture as a competitive protoss player is gathering a lot of attention. Further more, given relatively equal level of skill, protoss players in general tend to get more balloons (probably because the protoss user base is the greatest in number). In this month of March, Light has received more balloons than top terran players such as Last, Sharp, and Mind. The only terran ex-professional to receive more balloons this past month has been Flash. Something tells me Light isn't doing this simply for a false sense of competitive edge. I'm sorry Letmelose, I generally respect your opinion, but in this instance I must disagree with you. Light's decision to go Protoss wasn't based on some capitalistic profiteering motive, it was purely due to an issue of identity. You see, when you are pigeonholed as the "invisible Terran" for much of your televised career, one must make changes to correct his notion. Imagine that you are seen as a "faceless Korean" by your own people. Now, in order to embody the nature of the invisible player, one does not need to go to prison a la Bin-Jip. All one needs to do is recognize that in order to be truly invisible, one must be born invisible, like the Dark Templar. Wraiths and Ghosts, they merely adopted the Cloak. DTs, they were born and raised with it. His major fault was not going for more DT-centric play. Prove me wrong | ||
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CHEONSOYUN
623 Posts
On April 01 2019 12:21 ggsimida wrote: the publicity/monetary benefits from the initial excitement/curiosity the stunt stoked with the afreeca viewerbase won't last very long unless he gets results with it as well. his play is not particularly flashy or exciting either and nothing suggests that will ever materialise. it's not like he's permanently losing anything by playing protoss | ||
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onlystar
United States971 Posts
On April 01 2019 11:35 Letmelose wrote: From a competitive perspective, Light's off-race adventures has been an utter failure so far (this is despite the fact that he is generally regarded as being one of the best random users in the scene). However, there's another element that needs to be discussed to fully understand Light's decisions as a streamer on top of being a highly respected ex-professional. For the first time in his life, Light has received over ₩10,000,000 (as a point of reference, same as the KSL prize money for getting second place) worth of balloons within a single month after trying out the protoss race. Viewers are generally interested to see how good somebody's off-race is, and as a streamer who never generated much attention or controversy, Light's venture as a competitive protoss player is gathering a lot of attention. Further more, given relatively equal level of skill, protoss players in general tend to get more balloons (probably because the protoss user base is the greatest in number). In this month of March, Light has received more balloons than top terran players such as Last, Sharp, and Mind. The only terran ex-professional to receive more balloons this past month has been Flash. Something tells me Light isn't doing this simply for a false sense of competitive edge. probably not i suppose light aways had jobs besides his streaming career even told viewers its not necessary to donate balloons.. my guess it has to do with the good spot protoss is in right now looking at performance from rain/mini/snow | ||
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onlystar
United States971 Posts
On April 01 2019 10:49 Dazed. wrote: I would say its hubris: Basically Lights thought processes were: Terran is underpowered and i am so great! The reason i am struggling must be due to this imbalance and I am much better! If i play with the imbalanced race I, as the better player suffering unjustly imbalanced maps, will win. Arrogant, loss of contact with reality. you got inside lights head and read his mind ? so often you sound genuinely confused. | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19391 Posts
 OnGameNet Starleague (OSL)Poll: Which Terran Winner had the hardest OSL opponent Flash (25) Nada (13) iloveoov (10) Boxer (5) fantasy (5) Casy (3) xellos (2) sync (2) 65 total votes Your vote: Which Terran Winner had the hardest OSL opponent (Vote): Nada 4/1/2019 | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19391 Posts
EVER2004 OSLiloveoov > boxer * Team Kill * Not part of the poll, but the path to the finals was one of the hardest too (GoRush->Nada->Reach->Boxer) * Reading this is super emotional BoxeR placed second in an OSL for the third time in his career. After the finals BoxeR broke down in tears. iloveoov later stated: "I really hope that now BoxeR will never hear from someone else that he is weak. I wish that BoxeR will win all of his future tournaments the same way he stepped past so many good players on his road to this EVER Starleague Final. I'm sure he was so determined because he hasn't had a win recently... I'm so sad. From now on, although I want to game again with BoxeR, I don't want to meet him in this kind of situation ever again. If I had beat someone other than Boxer, I think I would have been much happier. Fun OSL facts: * There were a total of 14 Terran victories. * 4 went to the fifth game (3-2) * 4 went 3-1 * 6 went 3-0 | ||
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Starlightsun
United States1405 Posts
On April 01 2019 16:54 CHEONSOYUN wrote: it's not like he's permanently losing anything by playing protoss Only his dignity and self respect....  | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51549 Posts
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Rigodon666
Canada183 Posts
On April 02 2019 02:11 BLinD-RawR wrote: Thanks for the reminder that Sync won an OSL Blast from the past right there.... | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19391 Posts
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4289 Posts
On March 31 2019 19:34 Qikz wrote: People say that protoss is easy to play at low levels, not the highest. Protoss at high level suffer super hard from PvZ. You're kidding, right? I'm following BW since around 2008 and people say that Protoss is OP or "easy" all. the. time. At the lowest and highest levels. No matter the results. | ||
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ProMeTheus112
France2027 Posts
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onlystar
United States971 Posts
On April 02 2019 07:04 ProMeTheus112 wrote: If you play really sloppy (near D level or below), P may be easier cause you need to handle less units, that's about it... not really protoss micro is relatively easy in comparison with zerg/terran micro (sieging unsieging mines ) terran not so mobile / zerg so many control groups have to be controlled and microwed properly into an arc or snipe /dodge storms lurk unburrow/burrow etc attacking/microwing made relatively easy allows for less apm intensive play you basically have more time to expand/macro up/multi protoss is the least apm required race there are progamers with around 220apm (not that apm is the most important thing but you get the idear) i dont think its worth to go into detail for this like if you play long enough you will figure out where all the races stand really | ||
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ProMeTheus112
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