BW General Discussion - Page 276

On March 22 2019 20:30 mishimaBeef wrote:
aha that reminded me of an idea i had a while back

seeing as how balance is tightly coupled to the map design, is there any good that can come from matchup specific maps?

creating a cool and interesting map for one particular matchup can be done but most times will be imbalanced for some other matchup

maps that are required to fit all 6 matchups greatly reduces the space for innovation and creativity

i think this might be the number one way to breathe fresh ideas into the game without touching any of the core gameplay mechanics. all that is required is a paradigm shift away from the idea that every map is made to fit all matchups.

On March 22 2019 22:07 mozzybw wrote:
I tend to agree, if new, obscure maps were to be introduced fairly sporadically in tournaments, it wouldn't lend too much time to exposing any particular race's major strengths or weaknesses. Could lead to some cool on the spot strats.

On March 22 2019 22:50 mishimaBeef wrote:
ah okay, maybe i didn't fully clarify my idea but it is to have maps that are only played for certain matchups

for example, it is round of 8 in ASL, and for each match, one of the games (perhaps game 2?) is played on a matchup specific map. these maps are highly tuned for the given matchup and are not played on outside of the given matchup. so if it were a TvZ match, then map 2 will be on "the TvZ map"... in another match, say PvZ, then map 2 will be played on "the PvZ map".

the reason this method works is that there is no risk of exposing a weakness of a particular race/matchup for the map because the map is specifically designed to only be played on for a certain matchup

basically the point is to tune towards innovative timings for specific matchups without having to worry about screwing things up with regards to timings in another matchup

off the cuff example: a PvP map (or more generally a mirror match map?) where a 3rd base is very easy to secure. of course this would not be balanced to my understanding in say TvZ since terran will too easily secure a 3rd. no problem though, since the map wouldn't be played for TvZ, there would be a different matchup specific map played for TvZ matches

another quick example: having multiple paths to the main or wider ramps, which would not do well in matches where it's Zerg vs Not-Zerg

maybe these matchup specific maps can be flavored to tie into the lore as well? either through doodads, or naming or what not. and for televised matches would certainly make for some interesting commentary for the typically slower first few minutes of the game.

On March 22 2019 23:15 mishimaBeef wrote:






reposted here for visibility and discussion
(from: Can we talk about Broodwar's underused units? -- https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/544549-can-we-talk-about-broodwars-underused-units?view=all)

On March 24 2019 00:35 jiujiu wrote:

I assume Britney is streaming it. Why are you speechless? What K-Pop singer is sitting next to him?

On March 24 2019 01:57 jiujiu wrote:

The game doesnt drive those numbers, its the faces. If it would be about the game, it would still fill stadiums. There wasnt much going on before Flash and Jaedong returned

On March 25 2019 03:33 TT1 wrote:
New vulture instant attack after laying mines:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4ZdNF-_2vs&feature=youtu.be